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State of the O-line
- Thread starter jradMIT
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Anyone mention how we were able to run on Washington? Before the game they were only giving up 91 on the ground & we got them for 140.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
TK the backs looked pretty good receiving also which I have been vocal on OBrien using them more for. Since TEs and DT got noting our RBs should have had even more called pass plays. Send slot Coutee fast and deep and target Miller in the 15-20 yard range in middle.
140 woo hoo
A better ol and some experience means a bright future. Not gonna happen this year, but the future is bright.
Context.
I misspoke. Washington had been giving up 91 ypg. We ran for 139 yards. Only 7 by the QB.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Both backs had some really nice runs. I guess the #1 plan is to keep Watson healthy. maybe his injuries are bothering him just a bit.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Yes, and they may bother his career.
I think Bill is doing a good job in scratching out wins with this limited offense and formulating a plan to protect his QB and still get W's.
It's not super exciting to watch, but I would rather see a scratchy W than a flashy L.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
That's some pretty damn good mileage!
Damn Samsung
Texansballer74
The Marine
Happy Thanksgiving Day to all you good peeps on here.
Diet starts tomorrow I'm sure.
Lol
Diet starts tomorrow I'm sure.
Lol
badboy
Hall of Fame
Explain why this team cannot have high possibility of winning out. 11-5 seems extremely likely barring significant injuries. I think Sunday's play by Watson was aberration. He will be significantly better rest of regular season. Playoffs I'll worry about later. Defense gonna be impressive.
Oh they can go 11-5, that doesn't mean they're contenders.
Kinda like the Texans 12-4 season.
Texas Jake
Rookie
I think we got a shot, not a big shot, but still a shot. It's not a .375 H&H shot or a .308 shot—more like a .22LR shot. But I think we are slowly improving to a 5.56 shot (which is still a .22 shot, but has more bang to it).
Perhaps in a couple years we can improve to 9mm
Texas Jake
Rookie
methinks you're too ambitious... I'd be happy with .270 mag
Simply put they aren't talented enough.
I just hope Watson gets out of this season healthy. That was my hope at the beginning of the season and remains so.
Watching Detroit and Atlanta yesterday ( I know ) Texans look very talented except along the OL
If only we had a Sean Payton or even a Matt Nagy calling the plays
Texas Jake
Rookie
Fix the OL and we all will be amazed at how much more talented everyone on offense is.
Absolutely ! Go get 'em Mr Gaine !
RAC needs to get Mercilus & Edjiofor involved in the pass rush. Not taking away Watt & Clowney, but adding to it.
We need to find a way to pressure QBs relentlessly. Then maybe we can even the playing field a bit for our offense.
Texansballer74
The Marine
He need to move both of them (Watt and Clowney) on the inside and allow Mercilus and EJ set the edge sometimes. Watt and Clowney refuses to set the edge. That's why teams are able to hit a few big one on the outside.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Probably correct but I would like to see him try---in a game we are way ahead in.
I'm only proposing we get two other pass rushers involved in the pass rush.
I'm sure there are reasons he has not. I'm hoping he finds a way.
For some reason this post popped in my head
What do you think about the state of the Jaguars now SB?
I think they'd be a hell of a team with a half decent QB instead of the disaster that is Blake Bortles.
Mari-OWNED!
Bucco Bruce
Ravens released Hroniss Grasu yesterday. Wouldn't mind if the Texans took a look at him and drop one of our fringe guys like Burton or Keyes.
Why was he released?
He seems very similar to Mancz in that they can play all the interior line spots. However, unlike Mancz, when he's had chances to start, he did not perform well. As a young 3rd round pick, he's now looking for his 3rd team.
In other words, he might be worst than what we have available.
Maybe "Doc" can shed some light on his medical condition.
What a game last night! The O-line did a great job in the run game with 281 yards rushing with Miller having his best game as a Texan running for 162 yds and a TD, Deshaun with 70 yds and a TD, and even Blue with 49 yds and some drive sustaining runs late in the game. Mancz filled in for Kelemente after he was injured and the line didn't miss a beat, and even Davenport made the block that sprung Miller for that 97 yard TD run. I don't think we could ask for anything more from the O-line in the run game. They are playing well as a unit when the Texans run the ball.
In the passing game Deshaun only threw the ball 24 times with 19 completions and was sacked 4 times. He was probably pressured another 4 or 5 times but managed to escape and make a play. The O-line still needs a lot of work in this area and I noticed several times where it looked like the whole line would implode and Deshaun would have nowhere to go with the ball. How many of those were considered coverage sacks I don't know. I do know that Davenport had trouble on at least 2 plays where smaller OLBers would blow around him and get to Deshaun pretty quick. At least one of those times he was charged 1/2 a sack when LBer Jayon Brown got to Watson. But, that's the only sack charged to Davenport that I could tell. I'm not sure he will ever be quick enough or have the footwork to handle those types of players. I guess only time will tell.
Overall, despite giving up 4 sacks, I think the O-line had a great game. If they can keep the run game going like it has been and then just give Deshaun enough time to make a play in the passing game they have a good chance of keeping this win streak going and locking up the AFC South. How far this formula can take them in to the playoffs I don't know. But, up next is the Browns! So lets keep this thing rolling!
In the passing game Deshaun only threw the ball 24 times with 19 completions and was sacked 4 times. He was probably pressured another 4 or 5 times but managed to escape and make a play. The O-line still needs a lot of work in this area and I noticed several times where it looked like the whole line would implode and Deshaun would have nowhere to go with the ball. How many of those were considered coverage sacks I don't know. I do know that Davenport had trouble on at least 2 plays where smaller OLBers would blow around him and get to Deshaun pretty quick. At least one of those times he was charged 1/2 a sack when LBer Jayon Brown got to Watson. But, that's the only sack charged to Davenport that I could tell. I'm not sure he will ever be quick enough or have the footwork to handle those types of players. I guess only time will tell.
Overall, despite giving up 4 sacks, I think the O-line had a great game. If they can keep the run game going like it has been and then just give Deshaun enough time to make a play in the passing game they have a good chance of keeping this win streak going and locking up the AFC South. How far this formula can take them in to the playoffs I don't know. But, up next is the Browns! So lets keep this thing rolling!
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Honestly the only glaring liability currently is still Davenport at times, otherwise I'd say that being 'serviceable' is just as good as being all pro considering how pathetic they were to start the season. There is a thing to be said for chemistry and these guys are now finding out what their linemate is/isnt good at on certain plays and how to compensate for them? Either way they arent the glaring reason for struggles, lately most of the sacks seem to come from Watson not feeling the pressure and losing track of his internal clock.
Shishkabob
All Pro
one sack was clearly on Davenport just whiffing on his block. 2 I'd put on Watson, maybe the last one on O'Brien because idk why you are dropping back inside of 3 minutes up by 3 scores at the opposing teams 30.... There was one where I need to see the all 22 to really judge. Watson started flushing out to his right, but the DE on that side did a good job of stretching it out and staying in front of the tackle, once it was clear Watson couldn't get outside the tackle box he tried stepping back inside, but the backside DE beat Davenport and got home. I couldn't see the receivers from the broadcast on the play, so Idk if he had someone open quickly or not
I didn't see anybody open on that play.
I really questioned BOB calling that play at the time. It's like he didn't learn anything from the Miami game. Throwing the ball with a big lead late in the 4th qtr cost BOB WFV for the season. I was glad Watson just took the sack without taking a big hit and kept the clock running.
This is why I hope Gaine trades up if he has too to get a franchise LT. Davenport is a good backup but certainly not a 16 game NFL starter. Maybe Davenport can help show the drafted rookie the ropes.
Believe it or not, I'm intrigued by the improvement by Lamm. He's got the talent to be a solid RT. Lamm right now is as good as Newton was and has the ability to get better. He had a really good game last night.
zshawn10
All Pro
Pat Thorman@Pat_Thorman
https://twitter.com/Pat_Thorman/status/1067219843248779264
During the last month, no offensive line has allowed less QB contact (sacks + hits) than the #Texans (2).
Prior to that, no offensive line had allowed more QB contact than the #Texans (38).
https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1067219843248779264
6:53 PM - Nov 26, 2018
https://twitter.com/Pat_Thorman/status/1067219843248779264
During the last month, no offensive line has allowed less QB contact (sacks + hits) than the #Texans (2).
Prior to that, no offensive line had allowed more QB contact than the #Texans (38).
https://twitter.com/intent/like?tweet_id=1067219843248779264
6:53 PM - Nov 26, 2018
Not throwing as much and using max protect schemes has skewed these stats.
Although this is good to see.
welsh texan
You may say I’m a dreamer but I’m not the only one
Yeah there is definite improvement there. Watson showed a lot more ability to keep it this game also. Getting healthier as the season progresses.
That has to take some of the pressure off going forward.
Wow! That's hard to believe. I would have guessed the Colts O-line. I remember some of the commentators saying Luck hadn't been sacked in something like 4 or 5 games but that was a few weeks ago.
The Colts throw the ball a lot more than the Texans do.
Shishkabob
All Pro
I find this stat to be hard to believe honestly, mainly because it is incredibly hard to quantify it, and all that goes on in a play. In our last 3 games Watson has been sacked 11 times, and hit numerous others. How does the person know which one of those sacks and hits is the responsibility of the line, or the TE, or the back, or Watson? You honestly don't know until you know the play called, the protection that Watson set at the line, and the responsibilities of each individual on those calls. I just find it really hard to believe that in lets says 20 QB contacts(modest estimate) that only 2 were on the line.
Texansballer74
The Marine
The offensive line deserves some credit. Man they were getting to their blocking responsibilities, putting a hat on the defender and opening up nice holes.
They still have a lot of work to do in pass pro.
They still have a lot of work to do in pass pro.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
They also might still have problems with quality pass rushers but last night was one of the olines better games.
Shishkabob
All Pro
Agreed I was very happy with their performance last night. O'Brien even felt confident enough in them to call some 4 receiver sets and leave them on an island. It's not something we have to do all the time, but we have to be able to run those plays consistently enough to be successful.