powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Hindsight.
How many people now argue though we shouldve traded up? Those same people would crucify the Texans for giving up a 3 to move 1 spot.
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Hindsight.
How many people now argue though we shouldve traded up? Those same people would crucify the Texans for giving up a 3 to move 1 spot.
It didn't have to be the Eagles, per se. Any team that coveted Dillard knew to get ahead of the Texans. The hole at LT was glaring. The Dolphins certainly knew that.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Time to move on from the Dillard debacle . Apparently we didn't want him.
I thought it would've been standard operating procedure .... they did it a couple years ago in the 5th or 6th round .... spent a 7th to move up 1 spot !
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
It is and I have .... mostly. But .... thought that that Howard was equivalent to Dillard is frightening to me. Honestly, no anger .... just pray that Cal realizes that O'Brien is not a decent talent evaluator .... it will make a huge difference in the coming - 2 drafts especially.
On a more serious note, I've been watching a running back from UCONN .... name is Mensa ! .... I must be related !!
It's the methodology .... of course it changes depending on what part of the draft it's in !
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Or different people would have. A lot of people comment here. Very easy to see people arguing one point and others argue another later, and think it’s the same people.
I think the Texans knew anyone wanting Dillard was just as likely to trade ahead of them to get him. If they wanted him they would have traded up 5 spots (or so) to get him.
I don't think they wanted him.
If anything when he fell to 22 they were probably looking for trade partners to trade down & get their guy in Howard & some extra picks.
With Philly trading to 22 a 2nd LT off the board they probably discussed if trading down was still the prudent thing to do with only one LT left on the board.
Instead of risking a team like Atlanta trading up & taking him (not that Atlanta would) they took him there.
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
The point isnt what happened. The point is he slipped. If we did get him after trading up with a 3 people would be just (or more) furious.
It's what we do.
I'm not sure what you're saying, asking, inferring of/to whom. I think the majority of us here wanted Dillard. I just went back and read through moments of the draft. You were as disappointed as anyone, that the Eagles got him. After they got Dillard and we ended up with Howard, at whom should we address our disappointment ? I can't pull any strings .... can you ? Furthermore, in the last 3 or 4 pages of excited, last-moment thoughts, the names of 4 tackles were being thrown about .... with the name of Dillard, being used in about 90% of the cases .... Howard, not once .... there really wasn't any debate. As to the feeling about the 3rd rd pick, it's kind of like taxes .... you hate to, but you've got to ! Again, no contest in an extra 3rd vs nearly 3 - 1st's !
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
I was disappointed we did not get Dillard, but agree with posters that say if he was your guy and slid to say 15 or so, move, at 22 with many good OL still there, I don't think you move up and do think plenty would have laughed at us if we gave up a third to move up one spot as the Eagles move was not planned. I can see how in our situation Howard fits better, but we may be moving to be more pass happy so not sure that holds as much water as it did say a year ago
Let's not act like Dillard equals Tunsil. We spent that draft capital to get a PROVEN and young stud LT. Dillard is young, but not ready to say proven or stud yet. We cannot keep waiting for the line to develop while DW4 gets killed. Heck, hard knocks Doss looked good and got his ass cut. Until they are proving it in regular season against schemed up defenses it is all conjecture
Let's not act like Dillard equals Tunsil. We spent that draft capital to get a PROVEN and young stud LT. Dillard is young, but not ready to say proven or stud yet. We cannot keep waiting for the line to develop while DW4 gets killed. Heck, hard knocks Doss looked good and got his ass cut. Until they are proving it in regular season against schemed up defenses it is all conjecture
Before the draft the Texans never talked as if Dillard was their guy, all the talk was about Howard. I expected them to go CB in round one and then move up to take Howard early RD 2
Those of us who followed the Draft closely this year were often also big fans of the Senior Bowl including the week of practice leading up to the game in Mobile.
Anyway with the exception of "Bamas underclassman Jonah Williams many of the leading OT prospects were in Mobile and it was pretty clear that Dillard during the week of practice was the leading candidate in attendance so then along with Williams was the best of the OT class this year. There was talk about Howard in Mobile but mainly as a
project and not as a plug and play tackle because of his small school background.
Dunno who the Texans were rumored to have talked to the most among the tackle prospects but Dillard & Williams comprised the consensus group of two who were the most highly regarded at the OLT position, and Dillard actually more than Williams because some considered the 'Bama lineman to be more of a guard prospect whereas Dillard was
a pure LT prospect.
How would you feel if their plan was to trade down to get Howard all along? This is the only way I can understand the, "Texans preferred Howard" talk.
To think if both were there at 23 they'd pick Howard doesn't make sense.
If Dillard fell, they went CB/RB then getting Howard later... I can understand a "they preferred Howard" argument.
Same way with CB. Maybe they preferred Howard, Johnson, Sharping to Greedy, Sharping, Deiter.
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I think that would have been a good plan. Get extra capital out of it and still get your guy.
I also wonder if they would have valued Tytus so high if they knew he wouldn't be the LT of the future. I think they drafted him to be LT initially
Thing is if the organization was willing to go two firsts and a second for the deal with the Dolphins for their OT then it seems incomprehensible that they'd qiubble about a single
measly third round pick to move for Dillard if they thought he was better than Howard ?
Thing is if the organization was willing to go two firsts and a second for the deal with the Dolphins for their OT then it seems incomprehensible that they'd quibble about a single
measly third round pick to move up for Dillard if they thought he was better than Howard ?
Perhaps the guy who quibbled is back in Buffalo. Had O'Brien been running that draft he may very well have traded that 3rd
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
I suppose this was in Obriens mind when he made the statement.
I had mistakenly filed it under his "sometime clueless" state of mind.
My bad.
This is what I'm thinking.
I would really like to know if this is the case. This is what I initially thought got Gaine fired .... would make tons of difference to me !
Or maybe Cal fired BG because he found out he was a Democrate ?
Thing is we never know about these things, we are left to guess and speculate.
We'll never know. But if enough of us keep saying it, we can make it true.
I'm diligently searching, for some reasonable justification, for my intense disapproval, of O'Brien and his decisions .... or lack thereof. I mean, you can't dislike a man for his face .... even if it does sport the greatest, (or worst) butt chin known to man ! Nope, that wouldn't be nice !
Fire O'Brien now.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
There’s an entire thread that is up to, at time of posting, 585 pages that says differently TK.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
So, is Howard starting next game with a cast on his hand? I don't think he could be any worse than this.
zshawn10
All Pro
The Texans have signed C Nick Martin to a three-year, $33M extension with $18.35M guaranteed, per source.
— Field Yates (@FieldYates) September 10, 2019
— Field Yates (@FieldYates) September 10, 2019
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
dream_team
Hall of Fame
In the top 5 of highest paid centers in the league. Huh!?!?!?
:mariopalm:
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
LMAOOOOO ... more I think about this Martin deal the more it makes me laugh.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
He's arguably the worst center in the league, He's not even the best center on his own team! FML
PFF grades for the oline (I know, I know, pff is expletive. Whatever, it's just one metric)..
Laremy Tunsil - 64 snaps - 1 penalty- 2 sacks - 65.5 grade
Senio Kelemete - 64 - 0 - 1 - 73.4
Nick Martin - 64 - 0 - 0 - 66.2
Zach Fulton - 64 - 0 - 0 - 63.8
Seantrel Henderson - 64 - 2 - 0 - 41.5
Overall - 3 - 3 - 62.1 grade
tl;dr - hot garbage.
Laremy Tunsil - 64 snaps - 1 penalty- 2 sacks - 65.5 grade
Senio Kelemete - 64 - 0 - 1 - 73.4
Nick Martin - 64 - 0 - 0 - 66.2
Zach Fulton - 64 - 0 - 0 - 63.8
Seantrel Henderson - 64 - 2 - 0 - 41.5
Overall - 3 - 3 - 62.1 grade
tl;dr - hot garbage.
Seantrel has sucked his whole career.
And now rt is becoming as important as LT.
He's basically kalil on the right side
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Might as well, what are the other options? Top rated Center is going for more via Free agency. No draft picks higher enough left to pull from, then there is developmental time, which no longer exists. Setting piecesbin place soon than later improves chances of line cohesiveness, which has been a huge factor this entire thread.
I’m good with it. Onward and upward to extending Tunsil, sets precedent, first time Texans negotiate a contract during the season.
I’m good with it. Onward and upward to extending Tunsil, sets precedent, first time Texans negotiate a contract during the season.
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Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Tunsil and Watson will eat up the rest of our cap.. We have to hit in the draft to fill the rest of our holes.
Without first round picks.
badboy
Hall of Fame
This is stunning to me. What am I missing? Even if O'Brien sinks no one can replace Fulton at Right Guard is he plays center, get someone in off season. Another head-scratching move by Texans
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
After giving Martin the extension , the Texans realize it's Zack that's rated really high not Nick .
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Fking hell .. when Kelemete was your best graded lineman you are in deep ****.
TexansFight
Veteran
Nick Martin 3 year extension $33 million deal. WTF!!!! Top 5 paid C in the NFL. He was the #5 rated C in the ******* division according to PFF
A MEMORABLE RETURN FOR BRANDON BROOKS
Philadelphia Eagles right guard Brandon Brooks got off to a dream start to the 2019 season, his first game action since he suffered a torn Achilles in the Eagles’ divisional-round loss last year. He was on the field for 31 pass-blocking snaps and also produced a 100.0 pass-blocking efficiency rating after not allowing a single sack, hit or hurry in the game. He earned an 81.6 overall grade for his efforts, securing a spot on PFF’s Team of the Week.
Philadelphia Eagles right guard Brandon Brooks got off to a dream start to the 2019 season, his first game action since he suffered a torn Achilles in the Eagles’ divisional-round loss last year. He was on the field for 31 pass-blocking snaps and also produced a 100.0 pass-blocking efficiency rating after not allowing a single sack, hit or hurry in the game. He earned an 81.6 overall grade for his efforts, securing a spot on PFF’s Team of the Week.
Tweet from @aaronjreiss: Nick Martin's deal averages out to $11M per year, which ties him for the second-highest among centers with Maurkice Pouncey. Only Buffalo's Mitch Morse makes more.
In terms of guaranteed money, Martin's $18.35M ranks fifth at his position, per Over The Cap
In terms of guaranteed money, Martin's $18.35M ranks fifth at his position, per Over The Cap