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Agreed,but not high enough to cost an additional 3rd according to the Texans
Only the fans... all the reports were they valued Howard highly... none that Dillard was top of their board
Himself admitting the problem was huge
Dude, can't you read? Maybe they didn't think they had a shot at Dillard, but there was no talk about Dillard other than from the fan's
YOUR OPINION is about as much value
This is quite true. However, a trained medical staff should be able to at least see the signs.
My wife and I went through this with her rather recently. I saw the signs and it took forever for her to actually go see a doctor and they figured it out rather quickly. I'm not a doctor myself, but I saw the signs. Someone around him should have seen the signs even if he wasn't able to process it himself. A trained NFL medical staff should have definitely been able to figure this out.
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FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
I haven't watched all of the eagles game yet, he looked pretty good in the first series, BUT he did have one blown assignment
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
This happens with every team with any coach. Even Belichick has players that don't want to play for him or get tired of playing for him.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...or-bill-belichick-who-is-an-a-hole-sometimes/
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...-with-belichick-has-one-condition-for-return/
Now they are in no way saying that Belichick is a bad coach, the opposite actually, but they also weren't/aren't dealing with the mental issue Brooks is and BB has the advantage of, youknow, winning....alot. Point is every coach has players that don't want to play for them.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Dang. How does he not see that DE out there? Never even flailed an arm at him as he went by.
frethack
Rookie
There were definite questions to Dillards pass blocking as well (though he was the best pure pass blocker in the draft). His feet are great, excellent kick slide, etc. However, his hands were awful coming out and he lacked a nasty streak. I think Im on record here hoping that we would not draft Dillard.
As with most everyone, I thought Howard was drafted too high...my choice would have been a CB like Deandre Baker (not sure how his camp is going). That being said, by accounts in camp, Howard may be our best OL. Im willing to give him time before judging too harshly.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Maybe and maybe not. I don't know who is or what kind of training the Texans medical staff have but I did get to meet some of the Rockets team doctors when I worked safety at NRG. This was back with Yao Ming was injured and they were using the NRG training room for his rehab. (side note Yao Ming was very nice to though the Chinese handler that traveled with him wasn't.) Good doctors but they were very specialized for dealing with sport injuries and recovery. I got the feeling that if I had a bad leg they could tell me all about it and how to best get it healed but if I had a cough I was talking to the wrong people.
Uncle Rico
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That same 3rd round pick was used to bring in backup running back Duke Johnson Jr ... for comparisons sake Jordan Howard a much more accomplished NFL running back was traded for a 6th round pick.
Are we to believe that a backup running back is more important than a starting Left Tackle?
On Twitter they are saying that he was correct to pick up the blitzing LB and the qb just completely missed that the edge was unblocked and he was supposed to go to the RB there
Ever since obrien got here they have overpaid and lost value in transactions. Then people wonder why we are scouring the waiver wire all year.
I have no problem with Howard. He is a solid prospect. I'm not going to pretend he's better than Dillard, though he may eventually be.
What's worse is Howard isn't even getting reps at LT anyway.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Yep, looked like a rookie making a rookie mistake, just like should be expected. Though I am sad it was just the Eagles backup, I could watch Wentz get hit like that all day, something about that guy annoys me.
Tweet from @geoffschwartz: The LT is doing his job here. Empty protection, they bring cross dog (his linebacker comes) so he squeezes down. This is on the QB once again. I doubt they'd seen a cross dog vs empty protection yet. https://twitter.com/SharpFootball/status/1162141185638633474
frethack
Rookie
He was definitely not better than Dillard as far as pass blocking goes. Totally agree. He does have a nasty streak...but so did Giacomini
Im not worried about him playing LG for now. He is getting second team reps at LT. If he isnt getting first team reps by next season, Ill be more skeptical.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Bingo. Howard has skills. I like his feet, and his punch. He has the body of a LT, yet the coaches feel his development there would be better suited inside learning a completely different set of techniques and assignments. These young guy are already swimming, and the Texans make it easier on them by ADDING MORE TO THEIR PLATE!! LOL
True unless they get box in as the Texans have done on the need to protect there franchise QB which has grown in immediacy.
Brooks is just another drop in the BO'b is a bad coach bucket.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
BS, no one even looked in the direct of that guy. The QB would not have had time or been able to escape from that.
Whether at 22 or 23 there's no guarantee he's a starting LT. Sure fire can't miss ought to be starting day one LTs are taken top 15.
Dillard is a good prospect. Maybe better than Howard. But it's not like we didn't trade up for a sure thing.
Well we are in a hole and keep digging. That's not the way to get out.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
A bucket that, from player comments point of view, is a pretty empty. Now if you want to add in OC and loyalty to Devlin then we can fill it up pretty fast but for the most part his players have said nothing but good things about him. Its why when this comes all anyone can point to is Brooks.
I mean I would understand playing Howard at LG if we had a solid LT so we can move Howard over later.
But we have Kalil and Roderick.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
Riiiiggghhhttt... I'm sure that's how it would be looked at if he was an LT wearing a Texans uniform? Or would we say OB and Devlin suck?
To me, the fact that he is on the field leads me to believe the Texans feel he may be able to make the move this year if needed.
With Roderick Johnson showing promise they may feel that need is not so great, but you never know.
I'll be surprised if Kalil is our starting LT week 1.
I'm anxious to see Saturday's game. Sounds like Kalil is having a rough go in practice. I can't imagine he'll be better in a game.
It might make sense to move him to LG & Howard out to LT the final two weeks of the preseason.
Really should build your OL from inside out. But yeah. It's taking BO'b a minute to realize he ain't got a LT. like I said, may be time to move
If the Texans had won a super bowl two years ago I wouldn't say they suck because of a single sack
Kalil is done IMO.
I'd let Davenport and Roderick fight it out for the starting spot.
Keep Tytus and Kelemente at LG.
I would have started the year with Davenport and developed Tytus behind him but too late for that.
So what's the word on Martin & Mancz? They going to play this week?
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The bolded is arguable considering the total production for both is about the same, but 1 guy was a starter (Howard) & the other was not (Duke). I'm sure if Duke got the same number of touches Howard got, his numbers would blow Howard's away. The only other major difference is 1 guy is largely just a battering ram & the other does it primarily by air, but can tote the rock too, he just wasn't asked to in Cleveland.
Nick Martin still did not dress for last practice. But I believe Mancz did, though I didn't see any reports on how he did.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Kalil is a one trick pony, all he knows or could do @ one time is play LT. He would be completely blown up inside.
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I'm thinking Kalil's hearts not in it . Besides he can't return to great because he really was OK at best .
And yet this is the guy OBrien has locking down the LT position.
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I would say he's giving him a chance but in no way is it set in stone .
I hope you're right. He's been getting the lion's share of the snaps but let's see what happens going forward and especially if he struggles tomorrow.
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I think Kalil walks away and carries the towell for his swimsuit model wife .
Porky
Hall of Fame
I didn't think there was any way Roderick had a chance, but reports out of camp suggest he's clearly outplaying MK.
So these are all the OL on the camp roster. Assuming no major injury along the way, who y'all got for the final roster spots?
My assumption is 9 spots. I guess they could keep 10 but I'm thinking 9. My 9 are starred below, and my 5 starters in week 1 are double starred. I expect Scharping to be starting sooner rather than later but not game 1.
** Nick Martin C
** Zach Fulton C/G
* Greg Mancz C/G
Senio Kelemete G
Malcolm Pridgeon G
Maurquice Shakir G
* Julie'n Davenport T
** Seantrel Henderson T
** Tytus Howard T/G
** Roderick Johnson T
Matt Kalil T
Rick Leonard T
* Martinas Rankin T/G
* Max Scharping T/G
David Steainmetz T
So these are all the OL on the camp roster. Assuming no major injury along the way, who y'all got for the final roster spots?
My assumption is 9 spots. I guess they could keep 10 but I'm thinking 9. My 9 are starred below, and my 5 starters in week 1 are double starred. I expect Scharping to be starting sooner rather than later but not game 1.
** Nick Martin C
** Zach Fulton C/G
* Greg Mancz C/G
Senio Kelemete G
Malcolm Pridgeon G
Maurquice Shakir G
* Julie'n Davenport T
** Seantrel Henderson T
** Tytus Howard T/G
** Roderick Johnson T
Matt Kalil T
Rick Leonard T
* Martinas Rankin T/G
* Max Scharping T/G
David Steainmetz T