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So .... Who's your QB in 2014 ?! - [edit] Mallett?

76Texan said:
That's why even though I like Manziel, I have to knock him down to the third before I would risk a pick on him.

I think he has first round talent, but like Wilson and Keenum, I have to knock him down a bit, and then the off-the-field decisions knock it down a bit further.

Bridgewater, on the other hand, doesn't posess the mental nor the phisical ability to be a number one overall.
He's a cross between many QBs drafted in the first round but outside #3 overall, not a bona-fide can't miss prospect.
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So let's say this is a reverse scenario.
I held through and through with Newton as the number one over all pick.

Personally, I thought he handled all the mental aspects well.
For a young man, handling adversity shows your true color.

Bridgewater has yet to be "exposed" to such scrutiny.
 
76Texan said:
So let's say this is a reverse scenario.
I held through and through with Newton as the number one over all pick.

Personally, I thought he handled all the mental aspects well.
For a young man, handling adversity shows your true color.

Bridgewater has yet to be "exposed" to such scrutiny.
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Adversity and scrutiny are way different than being mentally advanced as a QB. I'd buy that. He hasn't faced near the scrutiny as Newton did. But don't say he doesn't have the mental part of the game down. He's further along (mentally on the field and in the meeting room) than any recent QB not named Luck.
 
76Texan said:
So let's say this is a reverse scenario.
I held through and through with Newton as the number one over all pick.

Personally, I thought he handled all the mental aspects well.
For a young man, handling adversity shows your true color.

Bridgewater has yet to be "exposed" to such scrutiny.
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Cancer strickened mother isn't tough enough?
 
76Texan said:
So let's say this is a reverse scenario.
I held through and through with Newton as the number one over all pick.

Personally, I thought he handled all the mental aspects well.
For a young man, handling adversity shows your true color.

Bridgewater has yet to be "exposed" to such scrutiny.
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WolverineFan said:
Adversity and scrutiny are way different than being mentally advanced as a QB. I'd buy that. He hasn't faced near the scrutiny as Newton did. But don't say he doesn't have the mental part of the game down. He's further along (mentally on the field and in the meeting room) than any recent QB not named Luck.
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He may not have been exposed to the same amount of scrutiny as Newton or Manziel, but anybody who is a Heisman candidate for most of the year has certainly been placed under the microscope to some degree.

He has certainly face adversity though.
 
76Texan said:
So let's say this is a reverse scenario.
I held through and through with Newton as the number one over all pick.

Personally, I thought he handled all the mental aspects well.
For a young man, handling adversity shows your true color.

Bridgewater has yet to be "exposed" to such scrutiny.
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Which means he kept himself clean by submerging himself in football . This like Lebron James where folks hate on him but he really has done nothing wrong which means he's doing something very right .


On the other hand Teddy became the man of the house at 15 when his mom got breast cancer . He quit school for a month to mow yards and wash cars to support her .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
It has been written that Teddy ran the offense from the LOS . He was the offensive coordinator in a pro style offense . He is a film junkie type OB .
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Let's assume that what you've heard is all true, Did you hear of possibilities like when Luck and RG III were on the block?

Why do you have to settle for less?
 
76Texan said:
Let's assume that what you've heard is all true, Did you hear of possibilities like when Luck and RG III were on the block?

Why do you have to settle for less?
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Less than ?

Luck ran a pro style offense at Stanford and RG3 was athletic and smart but did not play in a PSO . Right now RG3 is benched because he is either not healthy or hasn't adapted after the league has schemed for him . Luck is on his way but could be a little more consistent .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Which means he kept himself clean by submerging himself in football . This like Lebron James where folks hate on him but he really has done nothing wrong which means he's doing something very right .


On the other hand Teddy became the man of the house at 15 when his mom got breast cancer . He quit school for a month to mow yards and wash cars to support her .
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Thanks, Earl, I didn't know all the details
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Marshall said:
Mariota is just like the coaches that swear to the recruits that they will be there...until they aren't. Mariota has asked for an NFL Grade. He might come out with a sufficiently high grade. If he and Hundley both come out, trading down gains merit. But if BOB decides he would rather have a smart, but short QB with a low release, then it's his gamble and we're just along for the ride. But Keenum's value as a backup/competition goes up.
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just curious, TB, Bortles and Hundley all should be top 16 picks and probably Carr also; so why should a team in top 10-15 trade up for a QB? I am really hoping for a trade down but only thing I see is for "sizzle". Hopefully, a team will greatly prefer Bridge over the others enough to say "Let's make a deal".
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Less than ?

Luck ran a pro style offense at Stanford and RG3 was athletic and smart but did not play in a PSO . Right now RG3 is benched because he is either not healthy or hasn't adapted after the league has schemed for him . Luck is on his way but could be a little more consistent .
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Don't know what to tell you here Earl.
I guess it's just my two cents.
If it were Luck and RGIII coming out, I wouldn't have complained.

But I did have some concern, even with Luck.
It wasn't because I want to knock on a guy for non reason.
Wilson was doing a hell of a job at Wisconsin under more pressure.

Luck has the build and the athleticism, but Wilson made the best out of it.

If I had the first pick, I might still have to go with Luck, but if I don't , I did say that I will go with Wilson, and then Keenum.

A championship team need all three facets, some more, some less.
I can go back to all the teams that have been in the SB the last five, ten, fifteen years.
The vast majorities of the teams that get there had a combination of at least two.

Whether it's coaching or talent (I think you need both, but coaching is more important.)
 
Way back in the day, in the weeks leading up to the 2006 draft, John McClain said he had it on good authority that we would be drafting Vince Young.

So, I'll have to go with: whomever McClain DOESN'T say will be our QB heading into next year.
 
I seriously see a scenario where O'Brien trades for Ryan Mallet and they trade the 1st round pick for more picks..

Mallet knows the system and is young with a strong arm...
 
badboy said:
just curious, TB, Bortles and Hundley all should be top 16 picks and probably Carr also; so why should a team in top 10-15 trade up for a QB? I am really hoping for a trade down but only thing I see is for "sizzle". Hopefully, a team will greatly prefer Bridge over the others enough to say "Let's make a deal".
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If we see 5 or 6 first round QBs in a tight grouping as far as risks and another team sees one as the franchise type QB, then a trade is possible. If another sees a different QB as a franchise QB, than another trade is possible. Each time we move down and pick up draft picks for this year or next. We still get a QB in that tight group AND the extra picks.

If we see a Franchise QB or 2 who is superior to the group, then we don't trade down. It's as simple as that. But we make sure everyone wanting to trade up deals with us first and not St Louis exclusively. They advertised their willingness to trade down and we responded as we should.
 
76Texan said:
Bridgewater, on the other hand, doesn't posess the mental nor the phisical ability to be a number one overall.
He's a cross between many QBs drafted in the first round but outside #3 overall, not a bona-fide can't miss prospect.
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IMO, if a QB grades out as the 3rd best player in the class, & the #1 team needs a QB, it's foolish not to take the QB with the #1 overall.
 
badboy said:
just curious, TB, Bortles and Hundley all should be top 16 picks and probably Carr also; so why should a team in top 10-15 trade up for a QB? I am really hoping for a trade down but only thing I see is for "sizzle". Hopefully, a team will greatly prefer Bridge over the others enough to say "Let's make a deal".
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I think this thread proves some people fall in love with one player & that's pretty much it. No one else is good enough. They can't possibly see who another player would actually develop into as good as, or better player.

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It's like they're married.
 
Some post bowl analysis/rankings:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/...r-looks-like-no-1-pick-manziel-shines-in-bowl
2. Teddy Bridgewater*, QB, Louisville (6-3, 220): In an era in which college QBs' numbers are often inflated by short passes and simplistic schemes, Bridgewater's sparkling production is due to Pro Bowl-caliber accuracy. His success (71 percent completions, 31 touchdowns, four interceptions) comes out of a pro-style offense that requires him to make adjustments at the line of scrimmage and complete NFL throws. Those traits make Bridgewater an ideal fit in new Houston Texans head coach Bill O'Brien's offense, making him the favorite to be the No. 1 overall pick of the 2014 draft.

COMPARES TO: Russell Wilson, Seattle Seahawks - NFL analysts often say that if Russell Wilson was 3-4 inches taller, he would have been a first round pick. Well, that might hold true with Bridgewater, who is a similar prospect as Wilson (smart, athletic, mature, accurate) except he is taller with more prototypical height for the NFL.

13. Derek Carr, QB, Fresno State (6-3, 215): Carr's staggering production (68.2 completion percentage, 50 TDs, 8 INTs) was inflated by head coach Tim DeRuyter's QB-friendly spread attack and talented receiving corps, but there is no denying his talent. His release and velocity are as impressive as any college quarterback in the country. Unfortunately, Carr's career ended with a thud in a disappointing performance against Southern Cal in the Las Vegas Bowl. Hit early by an athletic USC front, Carr developed happy feet and misfired often in the 45-20 beatdown. The loss left Carr 0-2 in bowl games and may add fuel to the speculation that he'll struggle with pressure in the NFL, just as his older brother David did after leaving Fresno State as the No. 1 overall pick in 2002 and playing behind a poor offensive line for the expansion Houston Texans. Derek Carr needs to restore his slipping stock with an impressive performance at the Senior Bowl.

17. Johnny Manziel*, QB, Texas A&M (5-11, 210): Manziel's vision, elusiveness and accuracy on the move make him a mesmerizing prospect who will almost surely be drafted earlier than I rank him. While dynamic throughout his career -- including in the Aggies' thrilling comeback over Duke in the Chick-fil-A Bowl -- red flags were raised in mediocre performances against LSU and Missouri to end the regular season. Bottled in the pocket by both, Manziel couldn't throw his receivers open and he struggled. The NFL rule books have never been more accommodating to dual-threat passers, but consistent accuracy from the pocket remains the most critical element to quarterback play at the next level.

22. Blake Bortles*, QB, Central Florida (6-3, 230): A prototypically built pocket passer with good awareness, athleticism and arm strength, Bortles looks the part of an NFL starting quarterback. He is methodical in his setup and delivery of the ball and is a bit inconsistent with his accuracy, but the mettle he showed in guiding UCF to several comeback victories in 2013 has scouts buzzing. Bortles isn't as polished as Bridgewater, Carr or Manziel, but should he enter the 2014 draft a top-10 selection is not out of the question.
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Read from bottom up:


Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 18h

Bill O'Brien as Patriots OC, coaching up a rookie Ryan Mallett. pic.twitter.com/oTp0VKFb7g


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Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 19h

@themightygwinn one of the things I've been questioning. May want to continue molding him for when Brady hangs it up. But when is that?


Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 19h

@themightygwinn haven't studied them yet. Just thinking out loud on how much sense it makes to bring in Mallett


Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 19h

Mallett has a big arm, but was inconsistent at Arkansas. He'll know if Mallett has progressed as a man & a passer. I'd still draft a QB too


Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 19h

O'Brien coached mobile QBs in college at Ga Tech, Maryland, etc, but he recruited to top QBs at Penn State that are pocket passers.


Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 19h

Mallett had 3 years learning from Brady & understanding what Bill Belichick understands. O'Brien part of the staff to draft Mallett in NE


Jayson Braddock ‏@JaysonBraddock 19h

The more I think about it, the more sense it makes for Bill O'Brien to go after Ryan Mallett. Part of staff to draft him, 6'6 pocket passer
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I don't mind them trading for Mallett IF they think he is the future. They shouldn't give away a draft pick for a one year placeholder and then draft a QB also. Also, Mallett is in the last year of his contract. If the Texans spend a 1st or 2nd on a QB, why would Mallett sign a longer deal with the Texans?
 
I'd reckon Belicheck would ask for more than we'd be willing to give.

He's probably matured under Bill, but he sure used to be a dick. Watched several Arkansas games back then and when he wasn't throwing tantrums he was whining
 
HOU-TEX said:
I'd reckon Belicheck would ask for more than we'd be willing to give.

He's probably matured under Bill, but he sure used to be a dick. Watched several Arkansas games back then and when he wasn't throwing tantrums he was whining
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He was a kid.
 
I'm sure most of you have seen his name bandied about for obvious reasons etc. I was just curious what the draftniks on the forum thought of him. Is he a better option than the guys coming out this year assuming the compensation isn't ridiculous?
 
digitalswim said:
I'm sure most of you have seen his name bandied about for obvious reasons etc. I was just curious what the draftniks on the forum thought of him. Is he a better option than the guys coming out this year assuming the compensation isn't ridiculous?
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IMO he's more physically talented than any QB in this draft. Decision making and immaturity was his downfall though.
 
Texn4life said:
IMO he's more physically talented than any QB in this draft. Decision making and immaturity was his downfall though.
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and accuracy. relied to much on his gun arm to pull of throws. not sure if thats improved in his time in the NFL because i haven't seen any of his preseason games
 
I guess that would give BOB some insight into Mallet, but we can't assume that he was influential in the pick or even that he favoured it.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
Was BOB there when Mallet was drafted?

Compensation would possibly be in the Schaub range, 2 3rds???
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I'd think if we were to make that trade happen, we'd surely have to engineer a trade back from #1.

With Watt needing extending soon, and the prospect of having to sign Mallett, our cap is going to be well and truly spoken for for many years to come, meaning that we'll have to have plenty of talent on rookie contracts to plug the gap.
 
Where is this hype about Mallet coming from? He's thrown 4 NFL passes and completed 1 in 3 seasons. I would be pretty well pissed off if they traded away anything good for a guy who hasn't played serious football in over 1,000 days.
 
b0ng said:
I don't think A&M fans are going to go quite as overboard on JFF as UT fans did with VY. Hell it seems like the A&M fans who get real frothy at the mouth when discussing football don't think very highly of JFF's off the field antics, warranted or not.

I think the big difference here is instead of a heisman winning RB, you've got a QB from a small school that has been pegged as "probably" the best QB in the class hanging around.
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Haven't the Texans already been with the small school hanging around girl before?
 
Goatcheese said:
Where is this hype about Mallet coming from? He's thrown 4 NFL passes and completed 1 in 3 seasons. I would be pretty well pissed off if they traded away anything good for a guy who hasn't played serious football in over 1,000 days.
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It's just people looking for Schaub's replacement. You know, a backup QB that you can possibly get with two 2nd rounders? :kitten:
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
Which means he kept himself clean by submerging himself in football . This like Lebron James where folks hate on him but he really has done nothing wrong which means he's doing something very right .


On the other hand Teddy became the man of the house at 15 when his mom got breast cancer . He quit school for a month to mow yards and wash cars to support her .
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Just to be clear, even though I dont think TB will be a Rodgers/Brady/Brees/Manning QB, if Rick picks TB I will be out at Reliant cheering for him as loudly as I can.
 
thunderkyss said:
IMO, if a QB grades out as the 3rd best player in the class, & the #1 team needs a QB, it's foolish not to take the QB with the #1 overall.
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Agreed,

But you have to compare your potential QB's skill set to the QB's you're competting against and do you think your QB can eventually defeat him.

Also you need to look at the next yrs QB draft, if there are 3-4 that are much better than the #1 QB this yr, you should do everything possible to position yourself to get one of those QB's. Otherwise by 2016 you will have about the 15th best QB in the NFL, because you settled and your QB isn't as good as the established QB's. Rodgers/Brady/Brees Luck etc....) and Winston/Mariota/Miller etc...

It all depends on what BO'B thinks of this yrs QB class.
 
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