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Slowik and the offense

badboy said:
But would you wait until the season is over before you started asking these questions?
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Yes, I would at this stage. Let the season play out. I really hope they rest the starters against Ten, that game has injuries waiting to happen all over the field, some of our best players are banged up. Stroud could do with a game on the sideline with the headset on to remind himself how this O is designed to work whilst not hearing those footsteps.

Then we are into the meat of the playoffs, and I honestly see firing half your staff as giving up on that, when, really, there’s an any given Sunday thing there, should still beat most of the wildcard teams, and who knows what random chance might throw up against a Chiefs/Ravens/Bills.

It was said early that these issues can’t be fixed in season so wait for the offseason.

Some people on this board need to understand the system a bit better, too. I’ve seen people claim Stroud still isn’t ‘allowed’ to audible, well that isn’t designed into the Shanny/kubiak WCO, so will never be the case as long as we run it. Supposedly all the options are built into the scheme.

We run the same look and it gets blown up 4 times in a game, well we’re going to run the same look repeatedly all the time because that’s another design of the system, if it’s coached well and the players execute it keeps the D off guard, if it’s coached badly and poorly executed you have your screen blown up before any blocks are in the area.

Some of the issues will look exactly the same no matter who is coaching this scheme, it will come down to execution and that is about selecting players that fit what they need and coaching them well.
 
How many here would be behind just completely changing our offensive scheme. Or staying with it with maybe some coaching changes.
 
Number19 said:
How many here would be behind just completely changing our offensive scheme. Or staying with it with maybe some coaching changes.
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JB said:
Just want something that works
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Right, want something that works. Just "changing" doesn't mean it's going to work. BO'b was about "changing" & that offense didn't work.

I'm going to trust DeMeco. If he brings Slowik back that confirms, to me, that he sees something I don't. If Slowik is gone it means he sees the same thing we do.
 
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Number19 said:
How many here would be behind just completely changing our offensive scheme. Or staying with it with maybe some coaching changes.
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Complete change. Ryans is a defensive coach overseeing a really good defense this last two seasons. We can eliminate all offensive coaching and reboot through offseason to get players for a new system. The hard part will be getting the new offensive coordinator and his staff with the right scheme. Fortunately we have time to do all of that.
 
Number19 said:
How many here would be behind just completely changing our offensive scheme. Or staying with it with maybe some coaching changes.
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I'm still a fan of the scheme. Some of the top offenses like the Lions, Cardinals, Buccaneers, Bengals, Commanders, Vikings and Packers are still using it as their foundation. I think injuries at RB has contributed to the 49ers and Rams' struggles.

IMHO, they have to improve the OL before thinking of any scheme changes. It's bothersome that the OL is still struggling with basic stunts and the coaching staff has not been able to fix the issues. Also, I have concerns on if Slowik will be able to make the necessary adjustments to counter how defenses are now playing the scheme.
 
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thunderkyss said:
We said that for 6 years, complaining they didn't do enough. Then Matt Schaub stood behind the same line & all of a sudden...
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Matt Schaub joined the Texans in 2008. You know who else joined the Texans in 2008? Alex Gibbs. Coaching......Matters.

With a teaching background. Andy Reid is big on not just hiring coaches, but teachers. I have no doubt that the majority of the coaches on an NFL staff has forgotten more football than anyone on a fan forum. However, are they teachers? Can they convey these ideas and concepts to their players? Based on their inability to handle basic stunts, I question what is being taught and how it's being received.
 
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Shultz lines up in the backfield often. He doesn't always screw it up. Blaming the play call because Schultz screwed the pooch sounds like he's looking for something to blame on Slowik.
 
Earl34 said:
I'm still a fan of the scheme. Some of the top offenses like the Lions, Cardinals, Buccaneers, Bengals, Commanders, Vikings and Packers are still using it as their foundation. I think injuries at RB has contributed to the 49ers and Rams' struggles.

IMHO, they have to improve the OL before thinking of any scheme changes. It's bothersome that the OL is still struggling with basic stunts and the coaching staff has not been able to fix the issues. Also, I have concerns on if Slowik will be able to make the necessary adjustments to counter how defenses are now playing the scheme.
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You draft players and sign free agent oline and then change the scheme and coaches? I don’t think so.
 
thunderkyss said:
Shultz lines up in the backfield often. He doesn't always screw it up. Blaming the play call because Schultz screwed the pooch sounds like he's looking for something to blame on Slowik.
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The question is why you have a tight end that cannot block lining up the backfield.
 
badboy said:
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Complete change. Ryans is a defensive coach overseeing a really good defense this last two seasons. We can eliminate all offensive coaching and reboot through offseason to get players for a new system. The hard part will be getting the new offensive coordinator and his staff with the right scheme. Fortunately we have time to do all of that.
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Ryans is the HEAD coach of this team, not the defensive coordinator, and should have some sort of clue what's going on offensively other than hiring the OC, putting everything on their shoulders and clapping his hands.

And his really good defense got absolutely manhandled a few days ago.
 
badboy said:
You draft players and sign free agent oline and then change the scheme and coaches? I don’t think so.
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I think you missed my point. I still support the scheme. What's wrong with keeping the scheme and if necessary, hiring coaches with more experience with the scheme?
 
KarlK said:
Ryans is the HEAD coach of this team, not the defensive coordinator, and should have some sort of clue what's going on offensively other than hiring the OC, putting everything on their shoulders and clapping his hands.

And his really good defense got absolutely manhandled a few days ago.
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Ryans is the head coach defensive coordinator regardless of who has the DC title. Everyone knows that. He has in my opinion no clue how to run offensive scheme and trusted Slowik with that position.
 
Earl34 said:
I think you missed my point. I still support the scheme just not the coaches teaching the scheme.
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It was confusing as you said you were a fan of the scheme and then said you had to change the offensive line before thinking of scheme changes. Does that mean you want to give the scheme we have an ongoing chance in 2025 after we change the offensive line this off-season? The scheme is not the problem just the players?
 
badboy said:
Ryans is the head coach defensive coordinator regardless of who has the DC title. Everyone knows that. He has in my opinion no clue how to run offensive scheme and trusted Slowik with that position.
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Correct. And that is not a good thing by any means.
 
badboy said:
He has in my opinion no clue how to run offensive scheme and trusted Slowik with that position.
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DeMeco knows what it means to be a good coach. He can entrust all the Xes & Oes to Slowik, but when we're seeing the same issues week after week, DeMeco is not being an effective HC.
 
thunderkyss said:
DeMeco knows what it means to be a good coach. He can entrust all the Xes & Oes to Slowik, but when we're seeing the same issues week after week, DeMeco is not being an effective HC.
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It is obvious that slow Wick cannot be trusted with the x's and o's
 
badboy said:
You cannot disprove it and I cannot prove it.. opinions
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What does you she do?

She has served as a chair or committee member for a number of Houston charities including: DePelchin Children's Center, AVDA, Impact a Hero, The Mission of Yahweh, Candlelighters, The Children's Assessment Center, Bo's Place and many more.

She does not have the power to fire either one of these coaches.
 
Texansballer74 said:
What does you she do?

She has served as a chair or committee member for a number of Houston charities including: DePelchin Children's Center, AVDA, Impact a Hero, The Mission of Yahweh, Candlelighters, The Children's Assessment Center, Bo's Place and many more.

She does not have the power to fire either one of these coaches.
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Why are you taking specific words so seriously? It's the idea that she has the power to motivate
 
Slowick may be a different OC next season if the Texans retain his services, since he shouldn’t be getting any HC’ing interviews this off-season. Maybe reality will finally settle in.
 
thunderkyss said:
Shultz lines up in the backfield often. He doesn't always screw it up. Blaming the play call because Schultz screwed the pooch sounds like he's looking for something to blame on Slowik.
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the TheoNFL guy reads like a young dude with an opinion and Twitter...sorry X. Nothing I am going to be interested in
 
thunderkyss said:
We said that for 6 years, complaining they didn't do enough. Then Matt Schaub stood behind the same line & all of a sudden...
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People dont want to think of the possibility that Stroud's career very easily could end up like Carr's career. Just depends on how much work Stroud wants to put in.
 
zshawn10 said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1872379716025688454


https://twitter.com/x/status/1872374106878062719

https://twitter.com/x/status/1872383118956769439
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I was looking at these,

1. Throw the ball away.

2. If Stroud had been able to complete a 3 yd pass there was nobody within 30 yds of Schultz.

3. I'm not against firing Slowik after the season, but tell me who's going to be hired to replace him. Also this officially would put Stroud on the clock. Either work to improve under new coaching (Hopefully system) or no extension.
 
badboy said:
You draft players and sign free agent oline and then change the scheme and coaches? I don’t think so.
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You definitely need to add 2 vet OL in FA and draft one fairly high, not necessarily in the 1st or even 2nd rd.
 
steelbtexan said:
People dont want to think of the possibility that Stroud's career very easily could end up like Carr's career. Just depends on how much work Stroud wants to put in.
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At any time in his career, did Carr ever look as good as S2roud's rookie year? We're talking two different animals here. Ruining Carr's career is like never seeing Matt Hasselbeck or Matt Ryan develop. Ruining S2roud's career is like never seeing Peyton or Brady develop...

After what we saw last year it looks like S2roud has what it takes to be one of the all time greats. Carr never looked like that.
 
thunderkyss said:
At any time in his career, did Carr ever look as good as S2roud's rookie year? We're talking two different animals here. Ruining Carr's career is like never seeing Matt Hasselbeck or Matt Ryan develop. Ruining S2roud's career is like never seeing Peyton or Brady develop...

After what we saw last year it looks like S2roud has what it takes to be one of the all time greats. Carr never looked like that.
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Good post. Sometimes, it seems we should just have a sticky showing posters how Stroud compares to other QBs at the same number of games played. For some reason, we forget he has only started 31 NFL games. We want him to perform at the same level as Burrows (68), Mahomes (112), Allen (108), and Lamar (93) without the experience, adversity, struggles and growing pains of these other QBs who have started 2-3 times as many games.
 
thunderkyss said:
At any time in his career, did Carr ever look as good as S2roud's rookie year? We're talking two different animals here. Ruining Carr's career is like never seeing Matt Hasselbeck or Matt Ryan develop. Ruining S2roud's career is like never seeing Peyton or Brady develop...

After what we saw last year it looks like S2roud has what it takes to be one of the all time greats. Carr never looked like that.
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He looks more like Carr than Brady and a lot of that falls on CJ. Let's hope he can at least get back to where he was last year. You can win a SB with that level of play.
 
Earl34 said:
Good post. Sometimes, it seems we should just have a sticky showing posters how Stroud compares to other QBs at the same number of games played. For some reason, we forget he has only started 31 NFL games. We want him to perform at the same level as Burrows (68), Mahomes (112), Allen (108), and Lamar (93) without the experience, adversity, struggles and growing pains of these other QBs who have started 2-3 times as many games.
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I guess it's all about expectations and I'm really disappointed in CJs play this year. You can't win a championship with that level of play.

BTW, Joey B's ol sucks too and he's had a great year.
 
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