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Should we trade Watson?
- Thread starter theCATALYST
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badboy
Hall of Fame
not disagreeing Norg but if you know there is a possible franchise quarterback at your pick, you go for it. I would do the same for any position unless you already have it like the Bengals this year. The Jets offer the possibility if trading for Watson to give Houston a very quick turnaround and a powerful roster of young guys on Very good contracts. This is a very good draft about four rounds deep for the Houston Texans if they get the package I want.
I think he’s overstepping if he’s this upset about not being able to choose the GM & HC.
austins23
Hall of Fame
I’m coming to @Texian train of thought here. Tua can stay in Miami. Trade watson to the Jets and take their #1’s, a 2nd rounder and the Dlineman, Quentin(?). Then take a QB with that pick. Or get Darnold thrown in there as well, let him take the beating because the team will be crap anyway next year.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Apologize for what? Making a business decision about a privately owned company? Also "if they fail such a special man, human being and first true franchise QB", really? He's a kid throwing a tantrum because he's not getting his way. I put my 2 year old in time out for that kind of thing. Only my kid wasn't handed a 160 million dollar contract by the same people he is now running down.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Agreed though I say they can keep the players and just send the picks. We need to get out from under contracts so the more rookie contracts the better. Let Caserio and the new HC build the team they want and give them as many picks as possible to do it.
What makes him special IYO?
beerlover
Hall of Fame
Nothing, yet everything.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
Texian
Hall of Fame
Watson started tweeting his dissatisfaction "some things never change" right after Nick Caserio was announced as GM.
Where's the tantrum Deshaun threw?
I hate that I missed an actual outburst.
I hate that I missed an actual outburst.
But you hate Watson.
I've said all along I don't .... that there's only 1 QB I'd rather build around long term.
There's just a few people who equate any and all criticism of his play to "You hate Watson".
My thought is that as good as he is , he could be better if he did X.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
was a weak attempt at humor - I have failed.
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
I hate the thought of moving a sure thing. I believe Watson is a sure thing as a bonaFide upper echelon QB but these cryptic tweets are schoolgirlish and shows me he’s not as interested in opening the lines of communication which tells me he doesn’t want to be here anymore. Can’t say I blame him for wanting out but if the team is reaching out to him and he doesn’t respond then both sides should move on. If they move him I hope caserio gets a haul of picks. How did we get to this point?
MF SOB AH SCHIT MF SOB’s!!!!!!!!
MF SOB AH SCHIT MF SOB’s!!!!!!!!
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Welcome to my world!
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Seems to be a lot of buzz about a possible trade with Jets and they have the picks to offer an attractive package to Houston with 2 first rounders, including the second pick in the draft and #34 in the second.
If they were to offer these three picks plus next years 2nd and say DE Henry Anderson, I would think that would be ample compensation - or am I asking too little/too much?
I am thinking Anderson in case we also lose JJ.
If they were to offer these three picks plus next years 2nd and say DE Henry Anderson, I would think that would be ample compensation - or am I asking too little/too much?
I am thinking Anderson in case we also lose JJ.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Psst! There was a recent post by moderator warning us not to use profanity even if it was Hidden in the spelling. Just a heads up from a kind-hearted old man
chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
Oh dang ok I’ll chill. Thanks
just hard to believe how fast things have deteriorated since obese Travolta blew a 24 point lead in the playoffs.
That's when he knew Easterby had maneuvered his way back in. Watson likely knew that Jack had pulled the old switcheroo on the GM job from a guy who would give him the axe to a good buddy. And Deshaun thought that the guys he wanted interviewed for HC (that were not Friends Of Jack), would not find themselves on the interview list.
The more I hear people trying to explain that it wasn't about Easterby, the more I know it's about Easterby.
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chicagotexan2
Easterby = Little Finger/Cal = Fredo Corleone
I don’t have Twitter.
but I thought the Watson tweet somethings never change was referring to another black man being shot by a cop? I don’t mind calling Watson out for tweeting instead of speaking but I won’t comedown on him for something that is unrelated to the current situation.
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
That would not be nearly enough!!! Any trade for Watson should start with the same sort compensation that the Cowboys got for Hershal Walker (ie 6 1st rounders or their equivalent)
banned1976
sleeper mode
If Watson is traded, I'm going to blame both sides. And I won't be one of those that go root for Watson on his new team. If he announces he wants to be traded, farewell. I just hope the compensation for him in just picks or picks and players will be so massive it will drastically change the trajectory of this team. If they aren't offered at least that much, he can watch the 2021 NFL season from the comfort of his home.
Anderson is a $4 million player getting $8 million. There's no one on that stinky roster I would want. Stick with picks. Even Quinnen Williams would be 2 years on a cheap contract before he would get paid. Would the Texans be ready to compete in the next 2 seasons?
Instead, the Texans would have to dump contracts. The way the Cards did with O'Brien taking the washed up and overpaid David Johnson. Think "who is washed up and killing the Texans cap?" Those are the guys to get included in any deal.
They got 3 1sts in the Herschel deal..
badboy
Hall of Fame
For an elite top five franchise quarterback pro bowler way too little. Not one source have I read or heard or seen has voice that DeShaun Watson value will ever be reached in a trade. So why settle for less? Or at least begin negotiating the stratosphere and then settle for the rivers and streams we are used to? Do not look with just a left eye.
Why not offer to trade his current Pro Bowl Blindside bodyguard and the guy he feels comfortable sticking his hands under his butt hoping to Grasp the correct ball?
Trading Tunsil and Nick Martin saves us 17 million dollars cap space. That just happen to be the amount we are allegedly over the projected cap. You just know that Watson will feel more comfortable with two of his guys on the line in front of him. We would take back second-year left tackle Mekhi becton and DE Quinnen Williams. OMENIHU is my guy when Mr. Watt goes to Pittsburgh and a healthy big Q will be nice on a 4-3 defense.
2021 add 2.50
2022 add Jets two firsts to that second round and we could be shaking hands.
If we can kick in Mercilus and dumped his big buttocks ..er ..contract even better. Keke Coutee? Jets need receivers and he would be cheap.
Start high settle if needed.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Or that he knew with Caserio, Cal was rebooting the Patriot Way and the cultural change Watson spoke for was all for naught. And Cal was only placating Watson with no intention of ever making any changes they had discuss. If Cal had announced Khan as the new GM you probably would have never heard a peep from DW4.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yep and Chicago Texan you don't want to be aligned with Meatbear.
Jack easterby is the one singing staying alive staying alive
badboy
Hall of Fame
Because DeShaun Watson tries to be cryptic we don't know for sure what he was referring to. We absolutely are for sure that he has not tried to clarify his words or his position since Thanksgiving. Heck if he tweeted a picture of him giving the bird to somebody it could be that he was just saying Happy Thanksgiving.
whodknee
Working Class Hero
How did we get here? Three words B O B
badboy
Hall of Fame
We would pay Q just under 2 million this season in a trade and 2022 we would pay just over 5 million and as the number 3 pick in the overall draft we would control his fifth year if necessary. I will worry about 2024 when I come to that bridge. I really doubt they want to eat 10 million of that contract
Texian
Hall of Fame
If there is any doubt I think Andre Johnson's tweet cleared up any ambiguities about DW4 tweets.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Until Bieniemy didn't get an interview..
Speaking of which I thought Eric was supposed to have a virtual interview yesterday Did that happen?
It happened.
Texian
Hall of Fame
Check @LanceZierlein twitter feed, he gives some info about the interview.
Lance Zierlein (@LanceZierlein) / Twitter
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
Unfortunately, the Texans will probably get very little for Watson if they actually trade him. But why would that be you say?
The issue is two fold:
1) What is Deshaun's motivation for asking to be traded?
He is not looking for money, his contract is set. What he wants is what Patrick Mahonnes already has. A team that can win now, and has a good chance of being a contender every year for the the foreseeable future. What he wants, is to play for a Dynasty.
So if he is traded to a team that is forced to give up all their future draft capital, or key players to the Texans as fair compensation, he will have defeated his entire purpose in asking for a trade in the first place.
2) You ask how could Deshaun stop the Texans from getting fair compensation (ie 6 1st Round Draft Picks or their equivalent).
Well our good buddy "Jack Easterby" handed his that ability when he gave him the "No Trade Clause" in his contract.
All Deshaun has to do is:
A) Refuse to show up for OTA's.
B) Refer to Cal McNair as "Tommy Boy" at every news conference or in every Tweet.
C) Have a "Back Injury" in training camp, so he cannot practice or play in games.
He does this and the Texans are forced to trade him at any price.
Deshaun with his "No Trade Clause" can then nix any trade that the Texans propose that has his new team giving up anything more than say a 3rd or 4th Round draft pick back as compensation to the Texans.
I know everyone is going to say this is a crazy "Conspiracy Theory", but this is a unique situation. This course of action, is the only path forward that meets Deshaun's goals, and Deshuan absolutely has the legal leverage to make this happen.
Deshaun is a very smart man, and is utterly ruthless in order to achieve his goals. This path is the only one that achieves what he desires, so why would he not do it.
If I were Deshaun, and crossed the Rubicon and decided to demand a trade, this is what I would do. I do not expect anything less from Deshaun.
If Deshaun leaves, he will will not play nice and show mercy to the Texans. He will stick a dagger in the Texans heart to give his new team the best chance he can to be the Dynasty he is looking for.
The issue is two fold:
1) What is Deshaun's motivation for asking to be traded?
He is not looking for money, his contract is set. What he wants is what Patrick Mahonnes already has. A team that can win now, and has a good chance of being a contender every year for the the foreseeable future. What he wants, is to play for a Dynasty.
So if he is traded to a team that is forced to give up all their future draft capital, or key players to the Texans as fair compensation, he will have defeated his entire purpose in asking for a trade in the first place.
2) You ask how could Deshaun stop the Texans from getting fair compensation (ie 6 1st Round Draft Picks or their equivalent).
Well our good buddy "Jack Easterby" handed his that ability when he gave him the "No Trade Clause" in his contract.
All Deshaun has to do is:
A) Refuse to show up for OTA's.
B) Refer to Cal McNair as "Tommy Boy" at every news conference or in every Tweet.
C) Have a "Back Injury" in training camp, so he cannot practice or play in games.
He does this and the Texans are forced to trade him at any price.
Deshaun with his "No Trade Clause" can then nix any trade that the Texans propose that has his new team giving up anything more than say a 3rd or 4th Round draft pick back as compensation to the Texans.
I know everyone is going to say this is a crazy "Conspiracy Theory", but this is a unique situation. This course of action, is the only path forward that meets Deshaun's goals, and Deshuan absolutely has the legal leverage to make this happen.
Deshaun is a very smart man, and is utterly ruthless in order to achieve his goals. This path is the only one that achieves what he desires, so why would he not do it.
If I were Deshaun, and crossed the Rubicon and decided to demand a trade, this is what I would do. I do not expect anything less from Deshaun.
If Deshaun leaves, he will will not play nice and show mercy to the Texans. He will stick a dagger in the Texans heart to give his new team the best chance he can to be the Dynasty he is looking for.
Deshaun can never get paid to play pro football again - and likely have to payback a portion of his signing bonus - if that's the route he wants to take.
Also where do you keep getting 6 1st round picks from?
theCATALYST
Football Messiah
Watson doesn't have that much leverage. His three options are;
Force a trade: A team source says the Texans will not trade Watson, although there is certainly a chance the quarterback refuses to show up to optional organized team activities and mandatory minicamp this spring (if those even happen in person due to the continued COVID-19 pandemic).
If they do trade him, how does that work? Watson has a no-trade clause in his contract, so he would have final say on any deal. According to Schefter, if the Texans did trade Watson, they would have to absorb a salary-cap charge of $22 million. For a team already projected to be more than $17 million over the cap in 2021, that is a large amount of money for a player who isn’t on the roster. Even if the Texans got significant draft capital for Watson, the team would still have to make several money-saving cuts and would have a hard time building via free agency.
Of course, if the Texans made it known they are taking calls for Watson, there will be a long list around the league of interested teams. It’s hard to even estimate a price for Watson because this is such an unusual situation.
Sit out: Ultimately, because Watson is under contract, the Texans don’t have to do anything about this situation. If he sits out, the team could choose to fine him up to $40,000 per day for every day he skips during training camp. He would also be subject to additional loss of money if he does not report for the start of the season and misses games.
Retire: In an extreme circumstance, the 25-year-old Watson could choose to retire instead of playing for the Texans if they refuse to trade him.
Generally, when a player retires, it works in a similar way to him being released. The guaranteed money in Watson’s salary would count against the cap, but Houston could also choose to go after the money. For example, when quarterback Andrew Luck retired in 2019, he and the Indianapolis Colts reached a settlement, where the team chose not to recoup $24.8 million from its former quarterback.
If Watson retires, his rights are maintained by the Texans. He could not un-retire and sign with another team (unless Houston cut him while he is retired), because contracts are counted in seasons accrued, not in years.
Why Deshaun Watson is unhappy with Texans, and what comes next
The Texans' star QB is displeased and his future is suddenly murky. How did we get to this point and what options do the team and Watson have?
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
That was basically what the Cowboys got between players and picks for Hershal Walker, from the Vikings (in the mid-eighties, 25 year old franchise RB's were considered as valuable as franchise QB's are currently).
That trade is about the only trade that I can find, that might be the equivalent to the value you would expect to get in a Deshaun trade.
It's $50k a day. And the team doesn't even choose to do so. It's necessary per the CBA and it's unretractable by the team.
whodknee
Working Class Hero
And that's why those dumb trades are not made anymore
Everything, such as getting paid and acting like a petulant child?
Or Nothing as in being the QB of a 4-12 team?
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
Watson doesn't have that much leverage. His three options are;
Force a trade: A team source says the Texans will not trade Watson, although there is certainly a chance the quarterback refuses to show up to optional organized team activities and mandatory minicamp this spring (if those even happen in person due to the continued COVID-19 pandemic).
If they do trade him, how does that work? Watson has a no-trade clause in his contract, so he would have final say on any deal. According to Schefter, if the Texans did trade Watson, they would have to absorb a salary-cap charge of $22 million. For a team already projected to be more than $17 million over the cap in 2021, that is a large amount of money for a player who isn’t on the roster. Even if the Texans got significant draft capital for Watson, the team would still have to make several money-saving cuts and would have a hard time building via free agency.
Of course, if the Texans made it known they are taking calls for Watson, there will be a long list around the league of interested teams. It’s hard to even estimate a price for Watson because this is such an unusual situation.
Sit out: Ultimately, because Watson is under contract, the Texans don’t have to do anything about this situation. If he sits out, the team could choose to fine him up to $40,000 per day for every day he skips during training camp. He would also be subject to additional loss of money if he does not report for the start of the season and misses games.
Retire: In an extreme circumstance, the 25-year-old Watson could choose to retire instead of playing for the Texans if they refuse to trade him.
Generally, when a player retires, it works in a similar way to him being released. The guaranteed money in Watson’s salary would count against the cap, but Houston could also choose to go after the money. For example, when quarterback Andrew Luck retired in 2019, he and the Indianapolis Colts reached a settlement, where the team chose not to recoup $24.8 million from its former quarterback.
If Watson retires, his rights are maintained by the Texans. He could not un-retire and sign with another team (unless Houston cut him while he is retired), because contracts are counted in seasons accrued, not in years.
Why Deshaun Watson is unhappy with Texans, and what comes next
The Texans' star QB is displeased and his future is suddenly murky. How did we get to this point and what options do the team and Watson have?www.espn.com
He can force trade and not get fined, or miss a pay check by soft resistance.
1) He would not attend OTA's, but shows up at mandatory minicamp (all that he has to do).
2) Refer to Cal as "Tommy Boy" or "The Idiot Son" or any other name that would piss Cal off in ambiguous Tweets. (Deshaun is very good at ambiguous Tweets)
3) Fake a injury in training camp (ie "I tweaked my back") so he did not play much, but still was compliant with his contract.
All of this would force the Texans to trade him for anything.
AggiebyMarriage
Waterboy
In addition to the draft picks Mollywopper listed. the Cowboy's also got a slew of players that were contributors to their playoff runs.
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You would not have heard a whisper from him if he got Khan and EB.