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Should we trade Watson?

Should we trade Watson?

  • Yes, without a doubt.

  • Yes, depending on compensation (please list your trade scenario).

  • No, never.

  • No, unless he plays hardball and sits.


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OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
Unfortunately, this fiasco has all but eliminated moving Watson via trade this season. 2022 will be a wait and see as to what the damage was this season and what his value could be next off-season. This will inevitably be a costly lesson to Watson.

I think the Texans organization was fully aware of Watson's upcoming issues based on the signing of Taylor (QB1) and Finley (QB2) for the 2021 season. They were preparing themselves for the worst possible scenario......sound move Caserio.
 

IDEXAN

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
Lucky explained to me in another thread why the Texans are in no position to trade l. Tunsil, which is because a trade would accelerate the recognition of future cap hits because of restructuring of tunsils contract for which we have inadequent current cap space.
My question is ? Do we any such constraints regarding dw4s contract if we had an opportunity to trade him ?
 

paycheck71

Hall of Fame
Lucky explained to me in another thread why the Texans are in no position to trade l. Tunsil, which is because a trade would accelerate the recognition of future cap hits because of restructuring of tunsils contract for which we have inadequent current cap space.
My question is ? Do we any such constraints regarding dw4s contract if we had an opportunity to trade him ?
Yes, there would be a dead money hit if he's traded, especially if he's traded before June 1. You can play with various scenarios here - https://overthecap.com/player/deshaun-watson/5596/
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
I may be 100% wrong.....if Watson is suspended for the 2021 season, then his cap hit is removed which gives the Texans the room to complete the signing of Taylor and the re-working of Tunsil's contract. Maybe Caserio is planning on no Watson for the 2021 season.
 

michaelm

vox nihili
I may be 100% wrong.....if Watson is suspended for the 2021 season, then his cap hit is removed which gives the Texans the room to complete the signing of Taylor and the re-working of Tunsil's contract. Maybe Caserio is planning on no Watson for the 2021 season.
I've been saying for a while that it feels like Caserio knows he's getting at least some relief from Watson's cap hit this season
 

Jack Burton

Waterboy
I may be 100% wrong.....if Watson is suspended for the 2021 season, then his cap hit is removed which gives the Texans the room to complete the signing of Taylor and the re-working of Tunsil's contract. Maybe Caserio is planning on no Watson for the 2021 season.
At this point I think the FO knows it’s over. Watson won’t be traded and will probably be suspended for a year anyways and HOU has zero high picks. I think we all need to accept that this is a lost year and Caserio will slow roll this rebuild into next year when he dumps Watson and can draft a QB and start over.
I’d love for him to trade up into the top 4 this year, but they have nothing to offer other than future picks and I don’t think he’s got the nuts to do it as a new GM.
And now that SF is up at 3, I think it’s over.
 
NFL needs to place him on the exempt list so we can cut him.
What are the implications of him going on the exempt list and he is subsequently cut? I'm trying to understand what happens to the Texans' cap in that scenario. Also, if he is cut can he be signed even if suspended? Let's say he is cut and the allegations bring a 6 to 8 game or year long suspension, he is free to sign with whomever and the Texans get nothing right?
 

Texansphan

All Pro
At this point I think the FO knows it’s over. Watson won’t be traded and will probably be suspended for a year anyways and HOU has zero high picks. I think we all need to accept that this is a lost year and Caserio will slow roll this rebuild into next year when he dumps Watson and can draft a QB and start over.
I’d love for him to trade up into the top 4 this year, but they have nothing to offer other than future picks and I don’t think he’s got the nuts to do it as a new GM.
And now that SF is up at 3, I think it’s over.
Nah.
Watson settles. Gets 6 weeks suspension from the league.
FO trades Watson on draft day to Miami.
 

OptimisticTexan

2021 Building Block 1 / Go Texans
Ok....lets say Watson is given a 6 game suspension after settling. Watson tells Godell he will go to counseling voluntarily as part of his settlement with the NFL.

With the 2021 NFL Trade Deadline set for the conclusion of Week 8....could the Texans be in a position to trade Watson before the deadline? Next, what would his dead money cap hit money? Would the Texans be in a position to threaten an outright cut/release if he didn't waive his NTC? If all this were to make sense, anyone want to throw some ideas as to what the return could look like and could it be just as big as waiting until the off-season to try and trade him?
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Is there a team willing to risk trade before 2021 draft hoping suspension will be less than eight games as few as zero?

There are many guesses about what is going to happen but no one knows. Although I am sure that afterwards there will be a poster or two that will claim they knew all along that whatever the result is going to be was going to be.

Harden is a beast and time can resolve a lot.
 
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paycheck71

Hall of Fame
$21.6MM dead money - $5.66 cap savings = ~$16MM net dead money effect on the cap
I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it works, but if you know better why don't you enlighten us.

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After Jun 1 the Texans only save $5MM because the $5.4MM prorated bonus will still count this year. The rest of that column will count next year.

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Actually, I take all this back. I think this site already does the math for you.

So, $21.6MM would be the dead hit in 2021 if traded before Jun 1, and the net effect on the cap would be an additional $5.66MM vs if he'd stayed with the Texans.

And after Jun 1 trade means $5.4 MM dead hit this year (with more to come next year) and a $10.54MM savings on the cap this year.
 

SeriousShizzle

Waterboy
Probability he plays for Texans ever again. 0.001%

My Boy Nicky needs to get real here. Every team know watson's kink so were not at fault if they willingly trade at this point.

Watsons agent needs to get to Miami and reassure them of his value.

Then Nick needs to turn some of that draft pick for Garrapolo......... Destiny fulfilled

We could be competitive day 1
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Probability he plays for Texans ever again. 0.001%

My Boy Nicky needs to get real here. Every team know watson's kink so were not at fault if they willingly trade at this point.

Watsons agent needs to get to Miami and reassure them of his value.

Then Nick needs to turn some of that draft pick for Garrapolo......... Destiny fulfilled

We could be competitive day 1
I would not pay Garoppolo 25 million for this season. His salary of 24 + his roster and per game bonus.
 

Jack Burton

Waterboy
Probability he plays for Texans ever again. 0.001%

My Boy Nicky needs to get real here. Every team know watson's kink so were not at fault if they willingly trade at this point.

Watsons agent needs to get to Miami and reassure them of his value.

Then Nick needs to turn some of that draft pick for Garrapolo......... Destiny fulfilled

We could be competitive day 1
JimmyG?!?! Really?!?!
Great, HOU goes from a perv to a guy who nails pornstars.
I guess its a step up....
 

Jack Burton

Waterboy
Texans will not let the dead money stop them from making a trade if that's what they want to do.
I agree. If they can get this clown out of town and end this fustercluck, I think they will just take whatever they can get and be done with it. And if they can somehow manage to get up to 6 it would be a miracle.
But I don’t think the league will allow any trade involving Watson anymore.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
So I dunno, but looks like that 16M DM # prohibits a trade of DW4 prior to June 1 ?
Texans will not let the dead money stop them from making a trade if that's what they want to do.
I agree. If they can get this clown out of town and end this fustercluck, I think they will just take whatever they can get and be done with it. And if they can somehow manage to get up to 6 it would be a miracle.
But I don’t think the league will allow any trade involving Watson anymore.
Interesting, why would the NFL stop any trade for Deshaun?
 

SnakeEyes

Rookie
Unfortunately, this fiasco has all but eliminated moving Watson via trade this season. 2022 will be a wait and see as to what the damage was this season and what his value could be next off-season. This will inevitably be a costly lesson to Watson.

I think the Texans organization was fully aware of Watson's upcoming issues based on the signing of Taylor (QB1) and Finley (QB2) for the 2021 season. They were preparing themselves for the worst possible scenario......sound move Caserio.
I agree with you. Watson screwed up his own trade request. In 2022 teams may offer an amazing deal, same as the rumors this year. You have to be right about not being able to trade him this year. Otherwise, you know Easterby is calling and texting Cal daily. Saying to get rid of him. Cal might not be 100% wants to trade Watson. However, he is blinded by Easterby and he has to know offers would be great. I am fairly certain that the NFL alone has ordered the Texans not to trade him until after the issues are over. It's a "fair play" type thing I remember correctly seeing something about it. Basically, you are stuck with the player until the situation is over. That way if he is sent to jail or only suspended you have to deal with it not another team. Next year Watson will likely have to go to the team the Texans want. As I am pretty sure that the situation (if even 1 case is legit) will void the NTC as well as the parts of the contract about "ethics, morals, conduct and etc."
 

SnakeEyes

Rookie
Texans will not let the dead money stop them from making a trade if that's what they want to do.

Interesting, why would the NFL stop any trade for Deshaun?
Good faith. The NFLPA I think puts a hold on trades during legal issues. Only due to the fact that trading a guy who is prison bound or is going to be suspended. The "new" team won't have to deal with it unless by choice.

Meaning I think if everything is over in say a week or two (unlikely). We could then trade him. His new team would be aware of the suspension if it happens (jail time we are stuck). And then they can plan for it and it would also probably reduce trade partners.
 

IDEXAN

Hall of Fame
Contributor's Club
Texans will not let the dead money stop them from making a trade if that's what they want to do.
I dunno what are the consequences of
Meaning I think if everything is over in say a week or two (unlikely). We could then trade him. His new team would be aware of the suspension if it happens (jail time we are stuck). And then they can plan for it and it would also probably reduce trade partners.
"A week or two" ! Your dreaming Snakeeyes. A month or two maybe if DW4 is real, real lucky.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So let me see if I've got this right ?
Management & ownership got wind of DW4s "lifestyle" involving a wide array of
masseuses, and it's likely that DW4s good buddy D-Hop introduced him to that lifestyle, therefor the Texans expedited Dw4s bad influence
out of town by accepting a deal with shitty terms from the Cards. And the Texans continued to bug DW4 about his lifestyle further alienating our incredibly foolish and stupid young superstar when all they were trying to do was save him from getting mired in the quagmire he now finds himself hopelessly stuck in.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
I dunno what are the consequences of

"A week or two" ! Your dreaming Snakeeyes. A month or two maybe if DW4 is real, real lucky.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So let me see if I've got this right ?
Management & ownership got wind of DW4s "lifestyle" involving a wide array of
masseuses, and it's likely that DW4s good buddy D-Hop introduced him to that lifestyle, therefor the Texans expedited Dw4s bad influence
out of town by accepting a deal with shitty terms from the Cards. And the Texans continued to bug DW4 about his lifestyle further alienating our incredibly foolish and stupid young superstar when all they were trying to do was save him from getting mired in the quagmire he now finds himself hopelessly stuck in.
Pretty much spot on.
 

SnakeEyes

Rookie
I dunno what are the consequences of

"A week or two" ! Your dreaming Snakeeyes. A month or two maybe if DW4 is real, real lucky.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So let me see if I've got this right ?
Management & ownership got wind of DW4s "lifestyle" involving a wide array of
masseuses, and it's likely that DW4s good buddy D-Hop introduced him to that lifestyle, therefor the Texans expedited Dw4s bad influence
out of town by accepting a deal with shitty terms from the Cards. And the Texans continued to bug DW4 about his lifestyle further alienating our incredibly foolish and stupid young superstar when all they were trying to do was save him from getting mired in the quagmire he now finds himself hopelessly stuck in.
Ahhh, my comment was an example not a legitimate time table
 

Texansphan

All Pro
Watson is going to be incentivised to settle as he wants to give Texans incentive to trade him.
If Texans have had communication with Miami and like their proposal, then sooner rather than later will be ideal. Strike while the iron is hot.
There is no way I am going to give a huge discount allowing for suspension - I probably would downgrade a high first down a little but not a whole first.
I am thinking we may see a settlement in the next 2-3 weeks.
 

steelbtexan

King of the W. B. Club
Contributor's Club
Watson is going to be incentivised to settle as he wants to give Texans incentive to trade him.
If Texans have had communication with Miami and like their proposal, then sooner rather than later will be ideal. Strike while the iron is hot.
There is no way I am going to give a huge discount allowing for suspension - I probably would downgrade a high first down a little but not a whole first.
I am thinking we may see a settlement in the next 2-3 weeks.
Hope you're right.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
It's become a little tricky. I try to have a little patience, and give the post a chance to settle. It may seem like the post didn't go through, but it usually does in time.
Yes it seem to be cleared up for a brief time but has reverted back to duplicate posts. Sometimes the refresh button works and sometimes it does not. Patience is a virtue that I am trying to obtain LOL! It just gets frustrating when you're in a flow of conversation on two or three different threads and slows down the thought process when you have to wait for the system to catch up.
 

badboy

Hall of Fame
Watson is going to be incentivised to settle as he wants to give Texans incentive to trade him.
If Texans have had communication with Miami and like their proposal, then sooner rather than later will be ideal. Strike while the iron is hot.
There is no way I am going to give a huge discount allowing for suspension - I probably would downgrade a high first down a little but not a whole first.
I am thinking we may see a settlement in the next 2-3 weeks.
I think the discount was dropping from 1.3 to 6 pick as it allowed Miami to push round ones into the future and those could be San Francisco picks; possibly allowing Miami to keep their own. Two round ones and two round two in the top 50 this draft would be excellent as things stand, anything extra would be gravy for the chicken.

SF round one in 22 and 23 gives a reasonable package when added to 6, 18, 36 and 50.
I continue to think Tua is part of Nick's plan and perhaps why Miami gave up 3 for 6 +. QB Wilson gone at 1.2 and Tre Lance could be target at 6 (or another QB at 6 or another trade down). That QB could then have time to adjust NFL and develop. Many here agree that Taylor is not a full season starter and having Tua tag would not be a bad thing for a few games if needed. It also will allow Tu'a to improve and have more time to get healthy.

A serious question, why is sooner better than later except for fans? If Caserio and Miami coordinating on trade, Houston's draft team would be ready.
 
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