That would take a great rushing attack, but doable
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Should the Texans sign Dalvin Cook?
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I'd much rather see what UDFA rookie Valladay brings to the tandem of Pierce and Singletary versus how the team would split carries between Cooks, Pierce, and Singletary. Cooks is a luxury piece for another team not in rebuild mode like the Texans who already signed their veteran RB this season.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
I understand at first blush Cook is a luxury. But a great running game is a rookie QBs best friend. Having a solid three person rotation would really take pressure off CJ as he adjusts to the league. Would keep teams honest and would slow down the rush. I’m open to bringing another good RB in if the money makes sense.
ArmyBengal
Retired Army Medical NCO
Ok, just adding some perspective and a link...
There were only 10 teams last year, so roughly 1/3, that had better than 500 rushing attempts ALL SEASON.
The Falcons had the most with 559 attempts, which averages out to nearly 33 rushes per game.
11 teams had 425 attempts or less. 7 of those teams went to the playoffs, 2 to the AFCCG, and 1 of them won the Super Bowl.
Not only is anything higher than 40 highly unlikely, you could argue that it nearly diminishes your chances to make the playoffs.
In my best Jim Mora...
"60? We're talking about 60? You kidding me? 60? I just hope we get to 30"
There were only 10 teams last year, so roughly 1/3, that had better than 500 rushing attempts ALL SEASON.
The Falcons had the most with 559 attempts, which averages out to nearly 33 rushes per game.
11 teams had 425 attempts or less. 7 of those teams went to the playoffs, 2 to the AFCCG, and 1 of them won the Super Bowl.
Not only is anything higher than 40 highly unlikely, you could argue that it nearly diminishes your chances to make the playoffs.
In my best Jim Mora...
"60? We're talking about 60? You kidding me? 60? I just hope we get to 30"
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Pierce and Singletary will keep defenses plenty honest and on their toes. A young big back, like Valladay, who can catch out of the backfield should be a great set of fresh legs when needed.
I would like to see them bring in one of Hunt/Drake/Fournette in FA,
Porky
Hall of Fame
That's not how teams run the ball. You've got to have one "guy". He gets the bulk of the carries. Guy two gives guy one a breather on a drive or two per half and gets some carries on those drives. He also likely has a specialty - 3rd down pass catcher, short yardage guy...scatback whatever it may be. Guy #3 is a special teamer and may see a few snaps/carries a game...or none at all.
You're not going to see 3 guys get equal snaps/carries, running them in and out like a carousel. That's never been done to my knowledge and I don't expect it to start now.
They've got there guys to accomplish this with.
Pierce
Singletary- who I think as a 3rd down RB and getting those 2-3 series per game will get 15 touches per game in the pass/run game.
Boone- ST's Guy who I think will surprise some people if he has to take on Singletary's role.
Valladay- 4th RB/practice squad guy.
Bottom line is no more Burkhead/Doaks/O getting carries in a game.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Yeah the exact number isn't my focus but rather could we satisfy 3 good RBs and I think Slo can.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think Calhanna/Caserio/Ryans want more than rebuilding season. Let's not get caught up in that word. See what Valladay has and PS if necessary. He has much greater chance of missing than does Cooks; flipping coin is ok in some instances but Cooks should bringit for another 2-3 seasons and that's the type of football I want to watch. Also makes QB, Oline and receiving corps better.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
A Feature Back was the norm…..then (2) Feature Backs became the new norm to help alleviate the wear and tear on one Feature Back…..now you’re wanting the Texans to usher in a new NFL concept by carrying (3) Feature Backs and somehow splitting the load (3) ways while keeping all (3) happy.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Are you satisfied with the norm that hasn't worked for us? The old style QB is no longer the norm. If you only have one good car...
I have two.
Just to clarify, I am not fan of rotating QBs but others? Yes sir. Competition is great.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
The Texans norm has never had a Pierce and Singletary in the RB Room at the same time. This is a norm I’d like to see play out for a season while watching the development of Valladay and his future contribution to the backfield.
IMO the best rushing year the Texans ever had was 2011 with Foster & Tate.
Arian Foster 278 carries for 1,224 yards - 4.40 YPC
Ben Tate 175 carries for 942 yards - 5.38 YPC
The Texans overall rushed for 2,448 yards with an average 4.48 YPC and a 153.0 YPG average.
If Pierce & Singletary even come close to matching that I would be in hog heaven.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Nico Collins could miss half of a season leading to similar issue.
With Stroud being the QB, the more they run the ball the better. Although I certainly can see what you're saying. They probably are going into the season with a RB room of Pierce, Singletary, Boone and Valladay.
Quite the upgrade from last yr.
I'll give your spreadsheet something to think about, would you rather have Pierce, Singletary running the the ball 35 times per game and Stroud throwing the ball 25 times per game, or the opposite with the 60 plays per game?
Is that really a question?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
nvmd.
NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Passing Play Percentage | TeamRankings.com
NFL Football passing play percentage, by team.
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No one in the league ran the ball 35 to 25 game in and game out (falcons and Bears were close) with 35 passes to 25 runs being close to the norm (and nearly exactly what the ratio was for the Texans). Only three teams ran the ball more than they threw it.
If you trying to the game off Stroud's shoulders 30 to 32 passes is the target range.
Porky
Hall of Fame
You pass to score, you run to win. If your at 35 runs and 25 passes at the end of a game it’s because you built a big lead and then pounded the rock. That’s not going to happen every game. If the score is 31 Colts, 17 Texans to start the 4th, are you just handing the ball off all quarter or are you opening it up and letting CJ sling it around the yard?
badboy
Hall of Fame
Again, what does other teams history have to do with Slowik game plan in 2023?NFL Football Stats - NFL Team Passing Play Percentage | TeamRankings.com
NFL Football passing play percentage, by team.
No one in the league ran the ball 35 to 25 game in and game out (falcons and Bears were close) with 35 passes to 25 runs being close to the norm (and nearly exactly what the ratio was for the Texans). Only three teams ran the ball more than they threw it.
If you trying to the game off Stroud's shoulders 30 to 32 passes is the target range.
What is Slowik's game plan in 2023?
Well, kinda everything. Slowik can't design a game plan that does not fit within the range of "game plans for all NFL teams." Other words, if no team in the modern NFL is running the ball 35 times a game on average, the design of any NFL team will fall in that range.
badboy
Hall of Fame
What? Run the ball 9 x a quarter. I just designed one.
Are you running on 3rd and 8? Teams will just put 8 men in the box.
Bottom line in regards to this thread, the Texans are not signing Dalvin Cook. They had to extend a so-so DT just to sign their draft picks, for crying out loud.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Well hopefully, the plan would be not to have too many third and Eights.
All teams have 3rd & 8s. That's why there are no teams with 40+ rushes/game.
And you (any message board poster) fall outside of the "range of game plans by NFL teams"
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Dude, Slowik nor anyone else is running 50-60 ******* times a game. No one EVER has!! Teams barely run 60 total plays per game. What the hell?????
badboy
Hall of Fame
Last time and then I'm moving on: the message I am attempting to convey is we can utilize Pierce, Singletary and Dalvin Cook. That's all and here is how:
Bears in 2022 had 558 rushes in 17 games or ~33 per game. IIRC, another team had 559 so Bears were not exclusive.
Cooks avg 15 last year and had no complaints. He should be ok with that same number on any team if $ right.
Cooks 15
Pierce 10
Singletary 8
It can be done.
Most Team Rushing Yards NFL 2022 | StatMuse
The Chicago Bears had the most rushing yards by a team in 2022, with 3,014 yards.
What kind of message does that send Pierce? Singletary? The rest of the young up & comers? Not to mention what kind of record did the Bears have? The Falcons?Last time and then I'm moving on: the message I am attempting to convey is we can utilize Pierce, Singletary and Dalvin Cook. That's all and here is how:
Bears in 2022 had 558 rushes in 17 games or ~33 per game. IIRC, another team had 559 so Bears were not exclusive.
Cooks avg 15 last year and had no complaints. He should be ok with that same number on any team if $ right.
Cooks 15
Pierce 10
Singletary 8
It can be done.
Most Team Rushing Yards NFL 2022 | StatMuse
The Chicago Bears had the most rushing yards by a team in 2022, with 3,014 yards.www.statmuse.com
My error in thinking you were trying to be realistic for once
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Last time and then I'm moving on: the message I am attempting to convey is we can utilize Pierce, Singletary and Dalvin Cook. That's all and here is how:
Bears in 2022 had 558 rushes in 17 games or ~33 per game. IIRC, another team had 559 so Bears were not exclusive.
Cooks avg 15 last year and had no complaints. He should be ok with that same number on any team if $ right.
Cooks 15
Pierce 10
Singletary 8
It can be done.
Most Team Rushing Yards NFL 2022 | StatMuse
The Chicago Bears had the most rushing yards by a team in 2022, with 3,014 yards.
The only reason why the Bears had 558 rushing attempts is, because Justin Fields had 160 of those rushing attempts. I don't think anyone wants to see Stroud even attempt half of that.. I don't.
It's a passing league now. Stroud needs to develop into a elite passer. If they have to run the ball that much, then something is wrong with Stroud's development (not grasping the offense or something).
I don't care what his stats are. He could be JimmyG for all I care. As long as he stays healthy & we win.
My thoughts exactly.
Pass to set up the run or run to set up the pass but you gotta do both.
Strouds too accurate to put a leash on him, gonna make defenses hesitate once they get those quick short throw plays working.
sandman
Brexit Advisor
Sure, sure. There just seem to be people here who want to play the game like it was played 30 years ago, not how it is played now. It's a passing league. The Texans invested heavily in a passing QB. Not one that runs first. Every offense in the last 15 years that had 2,700+ yards rushing had a running QB.
Texansballer74
The Marine
If that’s what they wanted, lol well we should’ve kept Lovie and his outdated system.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
What?.
Lovie had a system?
Lol
and what’s this “scheme” thingy people keep saying?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lol yes that old outdated system he ran back in Chi TownWhat?.
Lovie had a system?