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Should Kubiak be the Head Coach next season?
- Thread starter Mr. White
- Start date
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
I'm pretty sure the coaches won't get to work with the players if there is, but maybe they'd be able to organize on their own.
I'm sure if Kubiak is going to get fired, then we'll get a coach somehow someway before January is done.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
ubecool454 
There always has to be a terd in the punch bowl.
There always has to be a terd in the punch bowl.
Texecutioner
Hall of Fame
Personally I think you're annoying with the way that you charge in any thread where this administration is being criticized and you throw some fit and start chastising folks who actually care about success in a football organization. You can sit here and keep your man crush on Kubiak for as long as you want, but don't think that you're going to continually take shots at others in here who want a competent HC and GM to run this organization without a real debate. So far, you've brought nothing to the table to convince anyone that Stupiak should be given any benefit of the doubt at this point. Sorry, but you're a year to late for that. Had you been here last season you would have had a ton of the members from Gary's sunshine club willing to spew venom at the people that haven't believed in his leadership. Time is up and it's expired on the Stupiak train now, and you're fighting a battle that has already been lost at this point.
It's real simple to just ignore a thread and stay out of it instead of clicking in it and charging in head first to take shots at everyone. It's your personal choice to get confrontational though, so don't complain when the responses aren't what you hoped for. And what the hell makes you think that you've got all this authority in here any way? You've been a member on this site for like what 3 months and you seem to feel like you've got some sort of jurisdiction around here. Get a grip.
b0ng
Bad Hombre
This. There's no point in making your mind up entirely before the product is finished.
Wolf
100% Texan
normally I would agree if this defense was even middle of the pack in the NFL because the offense can take care of itself .. but needing the offense score about 30 points a game just stinks
also what i am now worried about is some of the teams that we will be playing. they like to play smash mouth defense and the Texans seem to curl up when they get slapped a bit.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I DO NOT want Dungy....we already have a player's coach/daddy figure and Dungy wasn't that much better than Kubiak without Manning. Even with Manning his teams underperformed for many years in the postseason.
Manning is the coach that made the Colts great and still makes the Colts great.
Pass on Dungy, he's done with coaching anyways.
ubecool454
Veteran
The best thing the Texans can do for Kubiak is fire him and have to pay out his contract. I don't think its Kubiak.....I think the problem is higher up than that. The real problem to me is the owner. I think this guy is more involved than Jerry Jones. I wish he was more like Jerry Jones and Bud Adams to be honest because he is stuck on this "only high character guys on my team thing". I am willing to bet that Kubiak has gone to him and ask about obtaining certain players with questionable character flaws only to be told no. This organization had guaranteed sellouts with the way the PSL deal was set up. I don't like his inability to give a young guy who may have made mistakes a second chance....Dez Bryant, Lagarette Blount for instance. He must be cheap too because if you want to win why not pay a difference maker like Peppers, Cromartie , Dunta to play for us. Since I am complaining let me get it all out.....I'm sick and tired of the Country music that we have to listen too at the stadium too...can't we mix it up and I'm not talking about dirty rap but some cool hip hop tunes would be cool and I'm sure that the young Cheerleaders would like that too. After two years of dancing to Clay Walker theme song the good one bolt to the rocket power dancers. Bad Karma has caught up with us now .....the way they handled the tailgating situation was not classy at all and we've been losing ever since. No , no, no, in no way am I going to blame Kubiak for the lack of talent on this team anymore...it starts at the top. I was all for this owner and him bringing a team back to houston but I don't think he has a clue on what it takes to be a winner, but Jerry Jones does and so does Bud Adams. Kubiak is not a bad coach but he can only win with the players that he is allowed to pickup or draft. It used to be fun coming to the stadium but its starting to be a hassle and a waste of money. I'm not even upset at the loss to the jags...freak plays happen but when I really look at what we are working with....I just can't put it all on the coach when it appears the owner is most of the problem. Give me a owner like Jerry Jones or Bud Adams anytime.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
Yeah. I don't want a Colts retread either.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
When we are mathematically eliminiated from the playoffs (not effectively, but mathematically) I'm ok with a coaching change.
I will say that I like Kubiak as a person. I like what he has done with the offense. They are a lot more exciting to watch than the garbage that Capers brought. I think that he, like Capers, is an effective O coordinator, but made many poor decisions by bringing in "his guys" for the defense, GM. Especially as a new coach, you can't bring your friends in. You need guys with experience who can take over their side of the ball.
Good coaches maximize the talent given and get every last win out of a team. I thought this defense had way more potential and has underperformed tremendously. I blame that on Frank Bush, but ultimately that falls on Kubiak who chose to bring him in.
I will say that I like Kubiak as a person. I like what he has done with the offense. They are a lot more exciting to watch than the garbage that Capers brought. I think that he, like Capers, is an effective O coordinator, but made many poor decisions by bringing in "his guys" for the defense, GM. Especially as a new coach, you can't bring your friends in. You need guys with experience who can take over their side of the ball.
Good coaches maximize the talent given and get every last win out of a team. I thought this defense had way more potential and has underperformed tremendously. I blame that on Frank Bush, but ultimately that falls on Kubiak who chose to bring him in.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
Good post but Capers is a defensive guy. But yes Kubiak's biggest failure is both of his choices for DC.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
LMAO, "The Matrix" negative repped me. 
Oh lord, the "
" is strong with that one.
Oh lord, the "
" is strong with that one.Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
LMFAO, "The Matrix" negative repped me.
Oh lord, the "
Yeah. I was the villain last week. Funny stuff.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Yeah. I was the villain last week. Funny stuff.
Somebody needs to tell him that you actually need rep to effect rep.
Oh well, he'll wake up soon enough......everybody does (Right T.K.
). It just takes some longer than others.
nut
Veteran
Elway is the guy that made Shanny Sr & Kubiak geniuses just like Manning did for Dungy. There would probably have been no SB wins without him.
Oops I misworded that. Meant to say Capers is good as a coordinator and so is Kubiak, but neither is head coach material.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
I agree with you there.
Nawzer
Alienz
I feel like Kubiak is partly responsible for the situation we are in. The other part has to rest on the players. Its up to the players to execute and if you don't do that the coach get's fired. I mentioned this in another thread: I think Kubiak has steered us toward the right direction, but he's not the one who's going to get us to our desired destination. I think we'll end up making a change unless we make the playoffs.
Dutchrudder
Hall of Fame
I honestly don't believe we will be making a coaching change. It would cost McNair upwards of 10 million to fire Kubiak, Smith and Dennison. If their lack of free agent acquisitions is an indicator on McNair's ability to spend money, then I doubt he will waste any on firing the current staff.
wagonhed
Team Gruden
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
This is a poll, what's so hard to understand about the concept and purpose of this thread? It's not that difficult.
BTW, on that subject. 58-3, ouch.
nut
Veteran
huh?
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
Calling out the mods? :kubepalm:
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
This one's different. You didn't put up a poll when you started that one.
Not to mention, you've done a 180 since then too.
I'll take this as a "yes." Apparently you didn't read the first page when we already addressed this.
Thanks for your concern, Marcus. If you knew how many threads I had to merge this afternoon, maybe you'd cut us a little slack.
Maybe not.
imatexan
All Pro
I voted no from what I have seen so far this season but I believe he should be the coach the remainder of the season and if he somehow brings this team to the playoffs, my answer will change to yes.
I think WAY too much blame is put on Kubiak but you can't go from 3-1 to 4-5 without some bad coaching along the way.
Honestly though I blame everything on the defense, from Smith to the players..they are the ones who should be gone.
I think WAY too much blame is put on Kubiak but you can't go from 3-1 to 4-5 without some bad coaching along the way.
Honestly though I blame everything on the defense, from Smith to the players..they are the ones who should be gone.
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
If you fire him, might as well fire smith also and i will tell you why. I'm saying this as a titans fan first, texans fan second. I think smith/kubiak did the organization a disservice this past off season. When the team is that close to winning a division, you cant go backward in personel. Of course, after the robinson fiasco of pay me rick, they werent going to resign him. The common notion is replace talent with talent. Who did they replace robinson and reeves with? A rookie and a 2nd year player. They have a dc who likes to blitz because thats only way they can get pressure but he cant because the db's dont know their hot coverages. Top that off, the db's are getting beat so bad,so quick, the steel curtain couldnt get there in time.What could they have done? Mcfadden and cromartie wouldve cost peanuts for what the team is trying to do. Mcfadden went back to the steelers for a 5th or so and cromartie will cost a 3rd or 2nd next year. Add those 2 guys in the mix and now the dc can do what he wants and maybe the defense is at least 13th maybe higher than it was the previous year. Now lets not let the offense off the hook.
I really thought schaub was ready,but the more i see of him, i see carson palmer. I see a stat padder who only plays well when he's just winging. The running game is the best the texans have ever had, yet schaub is playing his worse.At the very least,the offense should produce points early and often to give the defense that cushion,but just like today,it didnt happen. The jags are a piss poor defense,but to have 3 pts at halftime is unacceptable. I really would like for them to stay solid and keep upgrading the talent,but its becoming clear that kubiak leads to inconsistent coaching and playing.I would only fire him if I knew i could get cohwer. Gruden isnt worth it as he ran the bucs in the ground after dungy.
I really thought schaub was ready,but the more i see of him, i see carson palmer. I see a stat padder who only plays well when he's just winging. The running game is the best the texans have ever had, yet schaub is playing his worse.At the very least,the offense should produce points early and often to give the defense that cushion,but just like today,it didnt happen. The jags are a piss poor defense,but to have 3 pts at halftime is unacceptable. I really would like for them to stay solid and keep upgrading the talent,but its becoming clear that kubiak leads to inconsistent coaching and playing.I would only fire him if I knew i could get cohwer. Gruden isnt worth it as he ran the bucs in the ground after dungy.
Goatcheese
Texan
No.
I think he's a good coach but just a terrible failure as a personnel guy. You can't keep putting your buddies out there when they're screwing up over and over.
If he would just put the best people out there and in his coaching tree I would say he should stay, but I just don't think he's ever going to do that. He doesn't trust anyone who isn't a friend of Kubiak.
So unless he mysteriously remembers that he knows a good defensive coordinator then he needs to go.
I think he's a good coach but just a terrible failure as a personnel guy. You can't keep putting your buddies out there when they're screwing up over and over.
If he would just put the best people out there and in his coaching tree I would say he should stay, but I just don't think he's ever going to do that. He doesn't trust anyone who isn't a friend of Kubiak.
So unless he mysteriously remembers that he knows a good defensive coordinator then he needs to go.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Kubiak hand picked the defensive coordinator... When you're a HC you just can't get a slide on the side of the ball that's not your "expertise". You're responsible for the entire team. Kubiak is no longer a offensive coordinator, if y'all want to bring him back as one FINE, I'd be all for that. The problem though is he's NOT THE OC.......He's the HC and as HC he's responsible for the ENTIRE team, including his crappy ass hand picked defensive coordinator (same as Richard Smith)
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
Point. Set. Match.
imatexan
All Pro
Hmm that just might work, Kubiak for offensive coordinator 2011 lol!
And I'm calling you out as bullshit, Mr. White. This so-called "poll" is nothing but a sly attempt to circumvent the purpose of an "all-encompassing" thread.
The reason why I created the "All encompassing Fire Kubiak" thread LAST YEAR was so that we wouldn't have 100 "fire Kubiak" threads filling up the board.
You, or the author are just using this "poll' is an attempt to get around it.
And Lucky, believe it or not, I appreciate the hard job you have to do, but this poll is just what it is . . . another 'fire Kubiak' thread.
FirstTexansFan
The Unknown Fan
And yet, he's still the coach, apparently the number of "fire Kubiak" threads doesn't affect the opinion of the owner
And yet, he's still the coach, apparently the number of "fire Kubiak" threads doesn't affect the opinion of the owner
Well, if they actually did, then we truly would have a bad owner. But it's not the point. If you were here back when everyone and his brother were creating all those "carr sucks" threads, you'd know where this is going.
We don't need a thousand and one threads talking about the same thing.
FirstTexansFan
The Unknown Fan
I was here Marcus, had 3/4's of the board on ignore, it was nasty. What I learned from that, is these are nothing but fan opinions that have zero value. It's just venting, and so from that point forward, I've just learned to let it go. I don't think anyone wishes more than I, that our opinions actually meant squat to the front office, and we by posting here could change this team from the crap we've been presented with for the last 8yrs.
Maybe there's a critical mass of "Fire Kubiak" threads that would force McNair's hand?And yet, he's still the coach, apparently the number of "fire Kubiak" threads doesn't affect the opinion of the owner
I'm not crazy about this thread. One of the downsides to the software is that if you merge a poll into another thread, the poll is lost. It's not a fair poll, because the pro-Kubes crowd feels a little intimidated to vote after such a disheartening loss. I probably would have nuked the thread had I seen it earlier, but I had to go to the gym, to the grocery store, eat. You know, stuff.
They say you should win and lose as a team. I think we fans should do a better job at "losing as a team". We seem to prefer going after each others throats. That's sad, when we should go after those who bring us such misery. I'm kidding. Sort of.
There's not much left of the season but "Fire Kubiak" and "Hire _____" threads. That's just the way it is. That's going to be a turnoff to some, and that's understandable. I haven't seen much of barrett lately. Texans_Chick pretty much sticks to her blog. That's sad, because their input (and others with similar viewpoints) are missed. The Texans will start over in 2011, and they'll need all of their fans.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
LMAO.....Another self-appointed hall monitor because he doesn't like the results of the poll.
I posted a "so-called poll" because I wanted to see a representation of where the fans are at on this one. The "no's" vote no, a few "yes's" voted yes and the ones that are too chickenshit to go on record try to bring the mods into it.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I know I've been guilty of it too, but people are just tired of having their fandom questioned or told to be quiet when we criticize this team.
It's also getting annoying how people think Kubiak is this great coach....he's not. Capers put so much fear into some fans around this city that they act like they'll rather take mediocrity and just hope to finally "turn the corner" rather than take the chance for more, because they're too scared to end up with another Capers situation.
The only thing worse than being absolutely horrible is being a year in and year out mediocre team.....atleast when you're horrible you know without a doubt that you need a change. When you're drowning in mediocrity, you can tie yourself to the same terd for 5 seasons with only one winning non playoff season.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
I had no idea what the results of the poll would be. I knew there would be more "no's" than "yes's." But not this many more.
I wish the people that really wish he would stay would get in here and vote that way. I know I would.
Respect for the guys who had the stones to come in and vote that way.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
So do I, I really want to know where the fan base sits on this.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
An interesting data point capturing the emotional heartbeat of the fanatics.The results of the poll are pretty amazing in my opinion. Would have never thought the difference would be that large. Could be sticky worthy.
Perhaps do a weekly poll after the game, but label each thread with the opponent included as a workaround to the Fire Kubiak thread corollary.
:kubepalm:
Perhaps do a weekly poll after the game, but label each thread with the opponent included as a workaround to the Fire Kubiak thread corollary.
:kubepalm:
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
I know what you mean.....I knew a big majority would want Kubiak gone, but not 76-3. (McNair better wake the hell up if he wants to keep the gravy train rolling)
And if Lucky says about posters being intimidated is true, maybe we can make these weekly polls confidential...
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
I think making them confidential would be a big help.
And you're actually telling me that you don't know already?
Another one that's supposedly half-way intelligent trying to act dumb.
Mr. White
Retired OLine Coach
I thought about making this one confidential, but it never occurred to me that people wouldn't want to stand behind their conviction on this one.
Pantherstang84
@rolisrgti06
And you're actually telling me that you don't know already?
Another one that's supposedly half-way intelligent trying to act dumb.
You know what the insults and name calling are uncalled for. I don't recall anyone calling you out or anything today. Apparently, you have appointed yourself the fan police and have decided to bully others just because they disagree with you. Well a pox on your house. We will continue to speak our minds whether you like it or not.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
And you're actually telling me that you don't know already?
Another one that's supposedly half-way intelligent trying to act dumb.
Umm....not 76-3 there buddy. I really wanted to see where the fan base stood as a percentile so get over yourself.
Jeez why does it seem like the ones who get most butt hurt around here or the guys who stick up for Kubiak? Who's supposed to be "intimidated here".
We're the ones who got called "soapers", had our fandom questioned, and then have to put up with B.S. like this. Again... If this thread upsets you or if a topic about a Texans' future that does not include Gary Kubiak upsets you, move along and don't post in it.