Should Kubiak be the Head Coach next season?

[Carr Bombed]

Kubiak also took a risk on Richard Smith, also a man who'd never coordinated
a defense. Two huge mistakes on the defensive side of the ball cost Kubiak.
I'm not willing to give him a pass on his Frank Bush decision, because it's
the same mistake he made in his very first season as a head coach.

Yep, this is why it's time to move on. When is a HC allowed to change coordinators as much as Kubiak has and is allowed to keep his job after 5 meaningless seasons?

 

[Errant Hothy]

Both. Why hire a guy on January 10th when we don't know the future of the league, the cap situation, etc? It would be dumb to commit to a whole new regime. And it's not like the players can just work out with the new coach and learn things while games aren't being played, they'll be on strike. No benefit whatsoever.

Yes. For this.

It's time to face the facts that there will be a lock-out next year. Now will there be a season? More than likely. But what good is a new coach going to do if he is not allowed to work with the team untill the lock-out is resolved, which probably want happen till the season is in serious jeopardy of being played by off the street guys. So new coach + no preseson + no OTAs = what? Better then Kubiak? I don't think so.

I agree that Kubiak needs to go, but untill the labor situation is resolved there is no benefit to making the change.

 

[Thorn]

Yes. For this.

It's time to face the facts that there will be a lock-out next year. Now will there be a season? More than likely. But what good is a new coach going to do if he is not allowed to work with the team untill the lock-out is resolved, which probably want happen till the season is in serious jeopardy of being played by off the street guys. So new coach + no preseson + no OTAs = what? Better then Kubiak? I don't think so.

I agree that Kubiak needs to go, but untill the labor situation is resolved there is no benefit to making the change.

This is why Kubiak should be fired today. Then you hire a new coach and let him learn and change the rest of the season in preperation for next year.

 

[GuerillaBlack]

Yes. For this.

It's time to face the facts that there will be a lock-out next year. Now will there be a season? More than likely. But what good is a new coach going to do if he is not allowed to work with the team untill the lock-out is resolved, which probably want happen till the season is in serious jeopardy of being played by off the street guys. So new coach + no preseson + no OTAs = what? Better then Kubiak? I don't think so.

I agree that Kubiak needs to go, but untill the labor situation is resolved there is no benefit to making the change.

Let's hope they resolve it in enough time then.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Yes. For this.

It's time to face the facts that there will be a lock-out next year. Now will there be a season? More than likely. But what good is a new coach going to do if he is not allowed to work with the team untill the lock-out is resolved, which probably want happen till the season is in serious jeopardy of being played by off the street guys. So new coach + no preseson + no OTAs = what? Better then Kubiak? I don't think so.

I agree that Kubiak needs to go, but untill the labor situation is resolved there is no benefit to making the change.

Not true...

If you are making a upgrade at HC, you're making a upgrade to your team regardless of the CBA situation. This is just another lame excuse for not firing the man.

If you're ready to move on at HC, you go ahead and MOVE ON....that way the new guy can get in here as early as possible and go ahead and get to work trying to turn this team around. A new HC is going to have to bring in his staff and players that he's going to need for his system. If you keep Kubiak around just because of some lame excuse, that's just another season you're setting your team back.

Going into next season with a lame duck head coach can hurt your franchise more than a lockout ever could (see Capers in '05)...and that's exactly what Kubiak is going to be at the end of this season.

 

[Errant Hothy]

This is why Kubiak should be fired today. Then you hire a new coach and let him learn and change the rest of the season in preperation for next year.

How do you install new systems on offense and defense, and gameplan for your opponent when the current CBA limits you to the number of hours you can practice and meet? What coaches do you hire, as I doubt you will be unable to hire any away from another team?

Let's hope they resolve it in enough time then.

They won't. Therre will be alockout for part of the season. I'd be willing to bet that the all pre-season activities will be missed, if not the first month of the regular season.

Not true...

If you are making a upgrade at HC, you're making a upgrade to your team regardless of the CBA situation. This is just another lame excuse for not firing the man.

If you're ready to move on at HC, you go ahead and MOVE ON....that way the new guy can get in here as early as possible and go ahead and get to work trying to turn this team around. A new HC is going to have to bring in his staff and players that he's going to need for his system. If you keep Kubiak around just because of some lame excuse, that's just another season you're setting your team back.

Going into next season with a lame duck head coach can hurt your franchise more than a lockout ever could (see Capers in '05)...and that's exactly what Kubiak is going to be at the end of this season.

What staff changes can you mke during the season? How can you bring in players during a lock-out?

Going into a season with a coach who has no time to establish his style, his philisophy on both sides of the ball, no time to build a realtionship with his time, no time to adjust his players to his vocabulary, etc would be just as damaging, if not more so, then having a lame duck coach who can atleast communicate with his players.

 

[houstonspartan]

Not true...

If you are making a upgrade at HC, you're making a upgrade to your team regardless of the CBA situation. This is just another lame excuse for not firing the man.

If you're ready to move on at HC, you go ahead and MOVE ON....that way the new guy can get in here as early as possible and go ahead and get to work trying to turn this team around. A new HC is going to have to bring in his staff and players that he's going to need for his system. If you keep Kubiak around just because of some lame excuse, that's just another season you're setting your team back.

Going into next season with a lame duck head coach can hurt your franchise more than a lockout ever could (see Capers in '05)...and that's exactly what Kubiak is going to be at the end of this season.

As I was driving into work this morning, this exact same thing jumped into my head. I agree. A new coach would have a "rebuilding" year anyway, so a lock out wouldn't make much of a difference.

 

[TexCanada]

Going into a season with a coach who has no time to establish his style, his philisophy on both sides of the ball, no time to build a realtionship with his time, no time to adjust his players to his vocabulary, etc would be just as damaging, if not more so, then having a lame duck coach who can atleast communicate with his players.

How damaging could it really be? If Kubiak isn't going to take us to the playoffs and beyond then there is no point of keeping him here. I'd rather have a new coach fail miserably next year then have Kubiak put in another .500 season.

 

[Carr Bombed]

How do you install new systems on offense and defense, and gameplan for your opponent when the current CBA limits you to the number of hours you can practice and meet? What coaches do you hire, as I doubt you will be unable to hire any away from another team?



They won't. Therre will be alockout for part of the season. I'd be willing to bet that the all pre-season activities will be missed, if not the first month of the regular season.



What staff changes can you mke during the season? How can you bring in players during a lock-out?

Going into a season with a coach who has no time to establish his style, his philisophy on both sides of the ball, no time to build a realtionship with his time, no time to adjust his players to his vocabulary, etc would be just as damaging, if not more so, then having a lame duck coach who can atleast communicate with his players.

I'm talking about making moves during the season...I'm talking about this offseason...and unlike you I'm actually optimistic about the CBA talks.

Also how the heck is the lockout even a excuse? If the players are locked out, Kubiak isn't going to have any contact with them either? So what does it matter if a guy who you feel is a BETTER coach doesn't have contact with them also....as long as you have a BETTER coach, that's the only thing that matters.


I'm freaking tired of the excuses this guy gets made for him. "Oh we had injuries", or "well we just barely lost games last season, bad luck", or "well we played a tough schedule", "look at all the kicks we missed"....and now it's "there might be a lockout, we can't make a move".

Which is completely false. If you have come to the decision that a move needs to be made at head coach, you make the move. You don't keep a guy around if you don't believe in his ability to coach your team. If Kubiak is here next year it better be, because McNair genially believes in his ability to get his team to a SB and not because there's a possible lock out.

 

[houstonspartan]

I'm talking about making moves during the season...I'm talking about this offseason...and unlike you I'm actually optimistic about the CBA talks.

Also how the heck is the lockout even a excuse? If the players are locked out, Kubiak isn't going to have any contact with them either? So what does it matter if a guy who you feel is a BETTER coach doesn't have contact with them also....as long as you have a BETTER coach, that's the only thing that matters.


I'm freaking tired of the excuses this guy gets made for him. "Oh we had injuries", or "well we just barely lost games last season, bad luck", or "well we played a tough schedule", "look at all the kicks we missed"....and now it's "there might be a lockout, we can't make a move".Which is completely false. If you have come to the decision that a move needs to be made at head coach, you make the move. You don't keep a guy around if you don't believe in his ability to coach your team. If Kubiak is here next year it better be, because McNair genially believes in his ability to get his team to a SB and not because there's a possible lock out.

Co-sign. Every year, there's another reason why Kubiak can't be fired. For a while, Hurricane Ike was also trotted out, but I think people started to realize that Houston has recovered from that storm and therefore it can't be used by Texans fans.

Also, I agree about the CBA. I don't think there will be a lockout. You are talking about so much money it boggles the mind. The NFL and its ancillary businesses equal billions and billions and billions of dollars. There will be posturing up until the last minute, but, I think something will be worked out.

 

[Errant Hothy]

I'm talking about making moves during the season...I'm talking about this offseason...and unlike you I'm actually optimistic about the CBA talks.

Also how the heck is the lockout even a excuse? If the players are locked out, Kubiak isn't going to have any contact with them either? So what does it matter if a guy who you feel is a BETTER coach doesn't have contact with them also....as long as you have a BETTER coach, that's the only thing that matters.


I'm freaking tired of the excuses this guy gets made for him. "Oh we had injuries", or "well we just barely lost games last season, bad luck", or "well we played a tough schedule", "look at all the kicks we missed"....and now it's "there might be a lockout, we can't make a move".

Which is completely false. If you have come to the decision that a move needs to be made at head coach, you make the move. You don't keep a guy around if you don't believe in his ability to coach your team. If Kubiak is here next year it better be, because McNair genially believes in his ability to get his team to a SB and not because there's a possible lock out.

Let's try an exercise. Name for me one in-season coaching change where the new coach came from outside the current coaching staff?

I'll wait.

 

[TexCanada]

Let's try an exercise. Name for me one in-season coaching change where the new coach came from outside the current coaching staff?

I'll wait.

What difference does that make? The point is that this franchise cannot stay with the status quo. Change is needed, so make it happen.

 

[Double Barrel]

I don't have any problem with anyone who disagrees with me, or anyone who speaks their mind.

I'm just saying this is just another "fire Kubiak" thread, which it is, and don't try to blow smoke up my ass and tell me it's not.

So, calling someone a moron is your term of endearment?

 

[Errant Hothy]

What difference does that make? The point is that this franchise cannot stay with the status quo. Change is needed, so make it happen.

It makes a huge damn difference.

A new coach is going to need; a) a new staff, b) some new players, and c) time to work with current players.

You do NOT have any of those three during the season. All of that happens in the offseason, which will be wiped out by the lock-out.

It's also the reason why all coaching changes that hppen during the season involve somebody being promoted from the fired coaches staff, ie; Jason Garrett in Dallas. If Jerry didn't bring an outside HC in during the season what makes you think McNair will?

 

[awtysst]

So, calling someone a moron is your term of endearment?

I have a feeling if I tried that particular term of endearment with my new GF, I might need to look for another gf!!!

 

[TexCanada]

It makes a huge damn difference.

A new coach is going to need; a) a new staff, b) some new players, and c) time to work with current players.

You do NOT have any of those three during the season. All of that happens in the offseason, which will be wiped out by the lock-out.

It's also the reason why all coaching changes that hppen during the season involve somebody being promoted from the fired coaches staff, ie; Jason Garrett in Dallas. If Jerry didn't bring an outside HC in during the season what makes you think McNair will?

I don't think McNair will. My question to you is, what benefit do you see with having Kubiak coaching again next year? I understand that you don't believe a new coach could get it done either, but wouldn't you rather get a new coach in here during the off-season and have him start the mini-rebuild?

 

[Errant Hothy]

I don't think McNair will. My question to you is, what benefit do you see with having Kubiak coaching again next year? I understand that you don't believe a new coach could get it done either, but wouldn't you rather get a new coach in here during the off-season and have him start the mini-rebuild?

You misunderstand me. I think a new coach could make a difference (a huge one), but he is going to need the entire offseason to do it in; and that is what I don't think will happen.

The only way I think a new coach could make the difference is if there is no lock-out.

If there is a lock-out no new coach will be able to help this team, because he will not have the time/oppurtunity to make the neccesary changes.

There can be no rebuild, mini or not, without an offseason.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Let's try an exercise. Name for me one in-season coaching change where the new coach came from outside the current coaching staff?

I'll wait.

???? Why the heck do you keep talking about "in-season coaching changes"....

 

[Carr Bombed]

It makes a huge damn difference.

A new coach is going to need; a) a new staff, b) some new players, and c) time to work with current players.

You do NOT have any of those three during the season. All of that happens in the offseason, which will be wiped out by the lock-out.

It's also the reason why all coaching changes that hppen during the season involve somebody being promoted from the fired coaches staff, ie; Jason Garrett in Dallas. If Jerry didn't bring an outside HC in during the season what makes you think McNair will?

Oh crap...my bad, I know where the mix up is.

There's supposed to be a "not" in that above post. Sometimes I start typing so fast I skip through words. Let me fix it...

I'm NOT talking about making moves during the season...I'm talking about this offseason...and unlike you I'm actually optimistic about the CBA talks.....

There I hope that clears up the confusion.

 

[Carr Bombed]

Congrats Kubiak a day later and you finally hit double digit votes.




:kubepalm:

 

[TexCanada]

You misunderstand me. I think a new coach could make a difference (a huge one), but he is going to need the entire offseason to do it in; and that is what I don't think will happen.

The only way I think a new coach could make the difference is if there is no lock-out.

If there is a lock-out no new coach will be able to help this team, because he will not have the time/oppurtunity to make the neccesary changes.

There can be no rebuild, mini or not, without an offseason.

I'm not misunderstanding you. I'm saying that neither Kubiak OR a new coach will make the playoffs next year, so why not get the new coach started implementing his system and figuring out what players he wants to keep around. I realize that he may have limited to no time during this off-season to do so, but even if he starts doing it during the season next year, we will be better off in the long run.

Again, my question to you is: What benefit do you see of having Kubiak coach this team next year? I'm not asking about the cons of a new coach, I'm asking about the pros of keeping Kubiak.

 

[Rey]

No, he needs to go. Would not be upset if Bob McNair fired him today. I know that won't happen, but it's nice to dream and wish.

But yeah, Kubiak is pretty much done all he can do for us. If he somehow resurrects this team it will be nothing short of a miracle, and personally I still wouldn't be sold on him as the head coach.

I've gathered too much evidence. I've seen far too often how this team plays. They just suck. End of story.

 

[Playmaker]

He's had more than enough time to take us to the playoffs. We're not going to make the playoffs this year, again.

It's not the end of the world for Kubiak if he gets fired, he'll be a good OC somewhere. But we need results now not a coach continually getting OTJ training.

 

[Mr. White]

Just for the record, the lockout isn't one of the conditions of the poll.

It's pretty easy to complicate this question, so that's why I tried to keep it as simple as possible.

By factoring this into the equation, we're assuming that no owners will make coaching changes this season. I just don't see it going down that way.