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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
- Thread starter Texansballer74
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LolHe played for Clemson?
badboy
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And that's why the NFL should void contract and ban him for life. "in response to all information including Sue Robinson's comments in ruling to NFL, Deshaun Watson has not shown any remorse and continues to maintain innocence and therefor I Roger Goodell have determined that Deshaun Watson's contract with the Cleveland Browns is null and voided. He was against the offer to seek reinstatement at a future to be determined date and there will now be none." "His action are so egregious and overwhelming and disrespectful to women, all fans of the NFL and society, I am setting the discipline to in some small way to show that the league players and owners condone this and similar behavior. Going forward the league will begin a new program outlining this type behavior is not to be tolerated by anyone." "I understand the role the PA plays but I cannot imagine our players wanting to have the Association defend this type of behavior."
just my POV
How do you think Derrick has been discriminated against?
Agreed nobody knows how this is going to turn out. I will say that I didn't think he would be charged criminally with Hardin as his attorney. Although he should have been charged. Like they say, justice is as good as you can afford.
badboy
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well I don't like that at all.
leebigeztx
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I never said he was discriminated against. I said that discrimination doesn't always mean race.
I'm not following you, givee an example.
leebigeztx
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Discrimination comes in different forms,not just racial, it could be previous precendence. That tweet from that guy, I didn't say I agreed with it or disagreed with it, I just posted a tweet of a an angle someone thought the nflpa can present to the arbitrator.
Your statement was that if they add games it violates the CBA
leebigeztx
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paycheck71
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They presented 5. Judge Robinson decided not to consider 1 because the only evidence in it was from a media investigation, not league investigation. I can only imagine that the evidence in the other 19 was so weak, that the league decided not to present them.
Who said it changes the CBA?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I guess it’s not over like some folks thought
Who cares.....like most thought. Just hoping that the Browns pick becomes better than expected.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Goodell would open himself up to a lot of questioning regarding the motivation to skip a season before doling out his punishment. An appeal along with the NFLPA backing would have a case against the NFL. If the NFL doesn't like how the Watson contract was structured, then they need only correct that in their next bargaining agreement. For as bright and successful owners are, they can be downright dumbarses when they pursue certain players in FA or trades. The Vikings might've laid the first, big ugly 100% contract guarantee when they signed Cousins and sent the much more cost effective Keenum packing.
The supposition was if the legal battles drug out the entire 2022 season and a stay was given so he could play.
They were not weak. A pattern was established in 4 cases which would have been established in the rest. Because of text messages, police reports, and depositions, cashapp payments.
CloakNNNdagger
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I'd have a difficult time of believing and accepting that of all the other cases, even those submitted to evaluation by the HPD investigators did not have enough strong elements to be considered (as the HPD investigators attested to) by the judge.
maverick512000
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Texans picks are not and never were in jeopardy. Even if by some chance they were Texans nipped that in the bud by go ahead and settling with 30 women, which if Watson could have put his ego on hold and been smart he would have done as well at the very begininng. You notice no one has brought the Texans up since then.
CloakNNNdagger
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You've missed the point. Goodell would not be making the decision to "skip a season before doling out his punishment." The "skipping of the year" was hypothetical to the Watson taking this to Federal court and the court giving Watson an injunction that would allow him to play this year........then as in similar previous cases, the Federal appeal would likely fail and Watson would ultimately serve out his suspension one year later.
maverick512000
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Not sure how they could spin this as discrimination. Neither race, gender, age or disability has played any part in this. Even if they try to spin it as players vs owners, as you have suggested, that won't work either as the CBA specifically gives the NFL final punishment power. Even if there are two cases that are identical from two different players and Goodell gives each wildly different punishments the CBA lets him do that. If you sign a contract, which the union and its members did, you don't get to get out of that contract just because later you realized it was a bad contract. If this truly was a sticking point for the union they would have refused to sign but again this affects a very small part of their member base and I promise you not all those members or even union leaders are aligned in private because at least a few of them no doubt think he is guilty and should never play again. The union presents a united front and are required by law to defend their members but that doesn't mean they agree with those members and they damn sure are not going to let one member spoil the whole barrel for all of them. They will fight as is required but ultimately they are bound by the contract and therefore by Goodell's whims at this point.
I didn't think Goodell would challenge it and would let sleeping dogs lie but again Watson must have really pissed him off about something.
maverick512000
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Goodell can't do that, contracts are between players and teams and the NFL cannot void a contract. They can suspend a player a player so he doesn't get paid but they can't just flat out void a contract. Even if their is language in a contract that allows it to be voided it has to be the team that or player, depending on the language, the activates it.
CloakNNNdagger
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Deshaun Watson appeal will proceed on paper only, with no hearing
Posted by Mike Florio on August 3, 2022, 10:39 PM EDT
Now that the NFL has appealed the Deshaun Watson decision to the NFL, what happens next?
The Personal Conduct Policy and the relevant provision of the Collective Bargaining Agreement lay out the next steps.
Here’e the relevant language of the Personal Conduct Policy: “Such appeals will be: (i) processed on an expedited basis; (ii) limited to consideration of the terms of discipline imposed; and (iii) based upon a review of the existing record without reference to evidence or testimony not previously considered. No additional evidence or testimony shall be presented to or accepted by the Commissioner or his designee. Any factual findings and evidentiary determinations of the Disciplinary Officer will be binding to the parties on appeal, and the decision of the Commissioner or his designee, which may overturn, reduce, modify or increase the discipline previously issued, will be final and binding on all parties.”
Because there’s no new evidence, there’s no reason for a new hearing. Neither the Personal Conduct Policy nor the CBA call for a hearing on appeal. Instead, it’s simply a matter of both sides submitting their paperwork to Commissioner Roger Goodell or whoever he designates to reach the same decision he would reach.
In this specific case, the factual findings and evidentiary determinations made by Judge Sue L. Robinson give the Commissioner or his designee all the ammunition needed to replace her six-game suspension with something more. She found that Watson violated three different provisions of the policy as to four different people. Nothing about her decision to suspend Watson six games limits the ability of Goodell or his designee to implement a much longer suspension.
That’s the most important thing to remember. Judge Robinson determined the facts. And the facts that she determined are exactly what the NFL wanted them to be. Although the NFL didn’t like her decision as to the length of a suspension, the NFL has the ability under the policy to appeal the decision to the NFL, and to replace her six-game suspension with whatever the NFL would prefer it otherwise be.
Posted by Mike Florio on August 3, 2022, 10:39 PM EDT
Now that the NFL has appealed the Deshaun Watson decision to the NFL, what happens next?
The Personal Conduct Policy and the relevant provision of the Collective Bargaining Agreement lay out the next steps.
Here’e the relevant language of the Personal Conduct Policy: “Such appeals will be: (i) processed on an expedited basis; (ii) limited to consideration of the terms of discipline imposed; and (iii) based upon a review of the existing record without reference to evidence or testimony not previously considered. No additional evidence or testimony shall be presented to or accepted by the Commissioner or his designee. Any factual findings and evidentiary determinations of the Disciplinary Officer will be binding to the parties on appeal, and the decision of the Commissioner or his designee, which may overturn, reduce, modify or increase the discipline previously issued, will be final and binding on all parties.”
Because there’s no new evidence, there’s no reason for a new hearing. Neither the Personal Conduct Policy nor the CBA call for a hearing on appeal. Instead, it’s simply a matter of both sides submitting their paperwork to Commissioner Roger Goodell or whoever he designates to reach the same decision he would reach.
In this specific case, the factual findings and evidentiary determinations made by Judge Sue L. Robinson give the Commissioner or his designee all the ammunition needed to replace her six-game suspension with something more. She found that Watson violated three different provisions of the policy as to four different people. Nothing about her decision to suspend Watson six games limits the ability of Goodell or his designee to implement a much longer suspension.
That’s the most important thing to remember. Judge Robinson determined the facts. And the facts that she determined are exactly what the NFL wanted them to be. Although the NFL didn’t like her decision as to the length of a suspension, the NFL has the ability under the policy to appeal the decision to the NFL, and to replace her six-game suspension with whatever the NFL would prefer it otherwise be.
CloakNNNdagger
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I don't know that you can blame it on Goodell, since the CBA designates that not being truthful exposes the player to separate additional punishment. As pointed out by Robinson, the sleeping dog LIED and has not shown remorse.........and still by recent reports essentially maintains that he has done nothing wrong.
Yep. Also, by him continuing to say he did nothing wrong, he is likely to fight having to go to counseling. And beyond a lengthy suspension, of course if he doesn’t go to counseling he wouldn’t be eligible to reapply for reinstatement.
TexansBull
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I disagree with the notion that the NFL will make an example out of Watson. To me that says that Watson did something minor and the NFL will go overboard with the punishment.
Watson lied to the NFL, he disobeyed COVID rules, and he settled with 23 different women because of allegations of sexual assault.
Those actions are cause for a harsh punishment.
Watson lied to the NFL, he disobeyed COVID rules, and he settled with 23 different women because of allegations of sexual assault.
Those actions are cause for a harsh punishment.
TexansBull
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Watson has shown he is a quitter and doesn’t keep his word.
TexansBull
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Discrimination is a losing battle for Watson.
How many sexual assault allegations are equivalent to one rape? Is being a serial sexual assaulter worse than an allegation of rape? Is that the road Watson wants to go down?
Winston was suspended for 4 games for 1 allegation.
4 games x 23 allegations = 96 games.
This is why Watson will be punished severely. This whole whataboutism.
banned1976
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Mr teX
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noone did…youre reaching…..once again.
CloakNNNdagger
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A FEDERAL discrimination suit would reopen the book on all of the DETAILS of Watson's perverted acts...........much of the details which have not yet been made public. The Federal court is one of the few agencies that could unseal and use any of the sealed information related to Watson's settlements. That would make for Team Watson left with, as once referred to by Oliver Hardy, "That's another fine kettle of fish you've got us in."
TexansBull
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That’s interesting.
I wonder if the federal court finds crimes committed against the women if they then could charge Watson with crimes.
I recall hearing the FBI was investigating. I don’t know if the crime would have to be on the federal level, or if they would have to refer the crimes to a local police.
CloakNNNdagger
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The Feds can take up any case that they feel has been ignored or botched by local or state agencies.
CloakNNNdagger
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Source: Roger Goodell will not handle the Deshaun Watson appeal
Posted by Mike Florio on August 4, 2022, 10:45 AM EDT
Commissioner Roger Goodell has the power to personally handle the Deshaun Watson appeal hearing. He will not be exercising it.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Goodell will not be handling the Watson appeal. He will designate the matter to someone outside the league office.
We don’t know who that is. A decent guess would be Mary Jo White, given that she has recently handled various “independent investigations” for the NFL, and in light of the fact that she does a very good job of giving her client that which it wants.
Regardless of the specific name of the person retained to handle the Watson appeal, the key to getting more such work is to give the client what it wants. Even if the league calls the person “independent,” they really aren’t. They’ll have some sort of hope for an ongoing business relationship with the league, and that will influence the decision-making process.
A separate source with knowledge of the process suggested that the designee for the appeal possibly will be Condolleezza Rice, who is slated to officially become a part owner of the Broncos next week. Again, she wouldn’t be truly independent; she’s about to become an equity holder in one of the league’s teams. Her reputation, however, would make it easier for the league to sell to media and fans the possibility that she will be able to set aside other interests and make the right decision.
That said, Rice is an admitted Browns fan. Recently, Rice commented on the disciplinary process, advocating the importance of keeping an open mind but acknowledging the serious nature of the matter.
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Condeolleezza Rice?????
Posted by Mike Florio on August 4, 2022, 10:45 AM EDT
Commissioner Roger Goodell has the power to personally handle the Deshaun Watson appeal hearing. He will not be exercising it.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Goodell will not be handling the Watson appeal. He will designate the matter to someone outside the league office.
We don’t know who that is. A decent guess would be Mary Jo White, given that she has recently handled various “independent investigations” for the NFL, and in light of the fact that she does a very good job of giving her client that which it wants.
Regardless of the specific name of the person retained to handle the Watson appeal, the key to getting more such work is to give the client what it wants. Even if the league calls the person “independent,” they really aren’t. They’ll have some sort of hope for an ongoing business relationship with the league, and that will influence the decision-making process.
A separate source with knowledge of the process suggested that the designee for the appeal possibly will be Condolleezza Rice, who is slated to officially become a part owner of the Broncos next week. Again, she wouldn’t be truly independent; she’s about to become an equity holder in one of the league’s teams. Her reputation, however, would make it easier for the league to sell to media and fans the possibility that she will be able to set aside other interests and make the right decision.
That said, Rice is an admitted Browns fan. Recently, Rice commented on the disciplinary process, advocating the importance of keeping an open mind but acknowledging the serious nature of the matter.
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Condeolleezza Rice?????
CloakNNNdagger
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CloakNNNdagger
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CloakNNNdagger
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Don't see how this obviously fake account has not been deleted by Twitter.
Hottoddie
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As it stands now, the only party that is being penalized with just a six game suspension is the Cleveland Browns organization. If he were suspended for only six games this year & is scheduled to make just $1 million, that comes to approximately $352,941. Leaving him with $229,647,058 of his guaranteed contract. The NFL has no choice but to appeal the suspension & levy a huge penalty against Watson. Otherwise, they can kiss every female fan of the NFL goodbye forever.
paycheck71
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I don’t know what was in the HPD and the NFL investigations. My admittedly speculative conclusion regarding the strength of the evidence in the other cases comes from the fact that two different independent bodies, the DA’s office and the NFL, decided to only present five of the cases to the grand jury and the disciplinary officer. Probably not a coincidence, but I don’t even know if they presented the same five cases.
The DA did not present all of the evidence to the GJ. That is not normal when a DA wants to secure an indictment. (hint: she did not want to)
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CloakNNNdagger
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Are we still comparing Watson's NFL investigation to the Harris County DA's criminal Grand Jury proceeding?