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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
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Max
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People are going to believe what they want. Corruption, bribery, malfeasance, incompetence are all possibilities for the number of cases presented to the grand jury and to Judge Robinson. The other cases being weak and not credible is also a reason. And at least for me, this is the more logical conclusion. Makes no sense for the NFL to stop at 5 because they believe that that establishes a pattern. 3 establishes a pattern as well. They had every incentive to make the number of cases as large as they could have to show the magnitude of the offense.
You can walk and chew gum at the same time meaning that many of us questioned whether all of these cases had validity but still wanted justice for what he had actually done. At least for me, I now feel that many of the cases weren't valid, but at least 4 or 5 of them were. 4 or 5 is still a hell of a lot and I want him to pay for that. I'd be perfectly happy with an indefinite suspension.
CloakNNNdagger
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Glaringly absent from Buzbee's statement is the fact that he specifically said that there would be no more lawsuits directed against the Texans. He could have just as easily included Watson in that statement, but evidently purposely didn't.
paycheck71
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Max
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For myself, I'm choosing to believe the people who have had the opportunity to investigate the claims rather than all of us on the outside speculating. Judge Robinson referred to the NFL's need to rely on 'credible evidence'.
They had ample opportunity to decide which ones were credible and which ones weren't. Completely agreed that we'll never know. But I don't see a reason to go to the mat arguing for all 24 when those who had the best opportunity to look at all the details (the NFL and the DA) were only willing to stand up for 5 of them.
badboy
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maverick512000
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To anyone still wondering that is the nail in the coffin to any possibility of the Texans losing the picks or facing punishment from the NFL. Its settled, NFL didn't have to get involved, details are confidential so Texans can spin it however they want, all parties walked away happy. That's how a corporation handles these kind of things, I said it before for the first time the Texans being set up more like a corporation than a football team was going to help them.
maverick512000
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That only applies before a contract goes into affect, it does have to be submitted to the league for filing purposes and technically yes it must be approved just like a trade but the approval is rubber stamped and once its in affect its can't just be declared void because the NFL later decides they don't like it. Hell if that was the case the owners would get the NFL to declare all big money deals void that they don't want to pay.
badboy
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I do not get why he said this now rather than after final result; seems like more pressure on NFL to hold out threats of additional suits?Glaringly absent from Buzbee's statement is the fact that he specifically said that there would be no more lawsuits directed against the Texans. He could have just as easily included Watson in that statement, but evidently purposely didn't.
CloakNNNdagger
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Finally, someone who may order a psychologic evaluation and recommendation for "treatment" as appropriate.
CloakNNNdagger
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The "no more lawsuits" statement only applied to the Texans. He has not ruled out more suits againsts Watson OR suits including the NFL itself.
badboy
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but it doesn't say that; could Goodell say DW is unprecedented and I will make same decision and void?
maverick512000
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If you are going to play the technical game then it also doesn’t say he can void or change it just that he has to tell them he disapproves of it.
The Texans/McNairs provided Buzzbuttt & his clients with their payday but the party involved here with the biggest appetite, Buzzbutts ego, is still hungry and looking for an even bigger and brighter spotlight on this whole mess.
Good. Watson deserves every second of time that is given to him by Buzbee.
I don't care how big a lawyer's ego is when he's going after a giant POS sexual predator.
That's cool just so you know that ego and not altruism is the motivator here.
CloakNNNdagger
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I doubt there is a lawyer in existence that does anything out of altruism.
Sometimes the only justice the average citizen can get is monetary and by using the vultures, especially when going after rich serial sexual predators.
Watson is a despicable human being, so if it takes another despicable person to deal with him so be it.
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CloakNNNdagger
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In this particular case, I have little doubt that ego AND altruism is the motivator.
Representing his clients to the best of his ability and getting his clients and hself the most money possible was the goal. Mission accomplished.
leebigeztx
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I didn't see the presser, but he's still big game hunting (nfl) to me. Thats what he was doing in the 1st place in my opinion. If he files a suit vs the nfl in connection with Watson, they would probably settle quicker than the Texans did.Glaringly absent from Buzbee's statement is the fact that he specifically said that there would be no more lawsuits directed against the Texans. He could have just as easily included Watson in that statement, but evidently purposely didn't.
CloakNNNdagger
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I was joking, but I just heard from one of my sources that actually the NFL didn't want Watson playing in Houston because they were sure that bad things would happen and they didn't want the PR that goes along with things like Watson T-shirt burnings in the parking lot and deserving butt and baby yoga signs throughout the stadium.Why worried about a riot?
Early on I heard that Goodell wanted at least two years, now it's come to light that he wanted something closer to outright banishment - GTFO and don't come back.
They wanted to make a statement that was stronger than what MLB did with Trevor Bauer where it cost him two years and $60million.
They don't like the perception attached to the league as it is .... that these people can do what they want and get away with it.
Watson is damn lucky that Goodell isn't making the final ruling or there would be no coming back.
No. Cleveland bought that ocean front property in Utah ..... its theirs to keep.
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Browns plan to play Deshaun Watson in preseason, but he won’t play the first six weeks of regular season
Posted by Mike Florio on August 4, 2022, 7:47 PM EDT
The NFL Players Association did not appeal the six-game suspension imposed on Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson. Thus, unless the appeal filed by the NFL results in no suspension at all (highly unlikely), Watson will miss the first six weeks of the regular season.
The question is whether he’ll return in Week Seven, at Baltimore. If a longer suspension is imposed on him via appeal, and if a lawsuit challenging the league’s process is filed, the earliest he’d return is Week Seven — if the lawsuit produces the desired results.
Until Week One, he can practice and play. Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Browns plan to use Watson during the preseason. Whether he plays in all three games and the extent of his playing time remains to be seen.
There’s one last thing to remember. The appeal could potentially result in an immediate suspension that lasts at least one year. It’s possible that a ban of that duration would result in Watson being banned immediately.
The Browns play at the Jaguars next Friday. They host the Eagles and Bears in Weeks Two and Three of the preseason, respectively.
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The bolded is not "possible," it is "probably"...............as a 1 year (or more) "indefinite" is essentially a "ban," until or if he is reinstated. Just like you don't see Ridley participating in anything after his 1 year indefinite suspension (ban).
Posted by Mike Florio on August 4, 2022, 7:47 PM EDT
The NFL Players Association did not appeal the six-game suspension imposed on Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson. Thus, unless the appeal filed by the NFL results in no suspension at all (highly unlikely), Watson will miss the first six weeks of the regular season.
The question is whether he’ll return in Week Seven, at Baltimore. If a longer suspension is imposed on him via appeal, and if a lawsuit challenging the league’s process is filed, the earliest he’d return is Week Seven — if the lawsuit produces the desired results.
Until Week One, he can practice and play. Per a source with knowledge of the situation, the Browns plan to use Watson during the preseason. Whether he plays in all three games and the extent of his playing time remains to be seen.
There’s one last thing to remember. The appeal could potentially result in an immediate suspension that lasts at least one year. It’s possible that a ban of that duration would result in Watson being banned immediately.
The Browns play at the Jaguars next Friday. They host the Eagles and Bears in Weeks Two and Three of the preseason, respectively.
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The bolded is not "possible," it is "probably"...............as a 1 year (or more) "indefinite" is essentially a "ban," until or if he is reinstated. Just like you don't see Ridley participating in anything after his 1 year indefinite suspension (ban).
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I think Deshaun Watson would be fortunate to play any football ever again.
I think the league wants to make an example out of him. #Browns
CloakNNNdagger
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Tony Buzbee’s criticism of NFL misses the mark, on one important point
Posted by Mike Florio on August 4, 2022, 8:21 PM EDT
On Thursday, attorney Tony Buzbee convened a press conference for the purposes of, among other things, criticizing the NFL for the process that resulted in a six-game suspension being imposed on Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson.
Buzbee called the league’s efforts a “juggled mess,” arguing that it was “so inconsistent in the past that it’s hard to take it seriously.”
His comments during a press conference that lasted under 30 minutes included a claim that the procedure was “sketchy and sad,” with the massage therapists interviewed by the NFL being asked questions like, “‘What were you wearing?'” Said Buzbee, “That gave us a lot of pause.”
Buzbee alleged that the questioning focused on a “deep dive on the victim and little to no questions about the conduct being alleged,” and that the investigators were “not interested in what happened.”
“Many left the interviews feeling that they had not been heard,” Buzbee said.
One of Buzbee’s clients told him that the interviews “felt more like an interrogation, asking me the same questions over and over, hoping that I would fumble the story about what I experienced so they could claim what I was saying was untrue.”
He said that he made 10 of his clients available to be questioned by the league, and that he would have produced more of them to be interviewed, if the NFL had wanted to talk to them. He said that he offered to submit sworn statements from all of his clients regarding their interactions with Watson, but that the NFL declined.
Buzbee said that, at the three-day hearing conducted by Judge Robinson, none of the plaintiffs were invited to testify.
His very strong opinions regarding the situation miss one very important point. The NFL’s process resulted in a finding that Watson violated the Personal Conduct Policy by committing “non-violent sexual assault” with four massage therapists, violating the policy in three different ways. Judge Sue L. Robinson also found that Watson’s testimony — a “categorical denial” — wasn’t truthful, and that he lacked remorse.
While Buzbee may disagree with the six-game suspension, but he should welcome the factual findings. They give the league exactly what it needs to impose a much greater suspension on appeal. Thus, Buzbee shouldn’t complain just yet about what the NFL does with the appeal. There’s a very good chance that he’ll be very happy with the final result of the league’s full and complete procedures.
Tony Buzbee’s criticism of NFL misses the mark, on one important point
Posted by Mike Florio on August 4, 2022, 8:21 PM EDT
On Thursday, attorney Tony Buzbee convened a press conference for the purposes of, among other things, criticizing the NFL for the process that resulted in a six-game suspension being imposed on Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson.
Buzbee called the league’s efforts a “juggled mess,” arguing that it was “so inconsistent in the past that it’s hard to take it seriously.”
His comments during a press conference that lasted under 30 minutes included a claim that the procedure was “sketchy and sad,” with the massage therapists interviewed by the NFL being asked questions like, “‘What were you wearing?'” Said Buzbee, “That gave us a lot of pause.”
Buzbee alleged that the questioning focused on a “deep dive on the victim and little to no questions about the conduct being alleged,” and that the investigators were “not interested in what happened.”
“Many left the interviews feeling that they had not been heard,” Buzbee said.
One of Buzbee’s clients told him that the interviews “felt more like an interrogation, asking me the same questions over and over, hoping that I would fumble the story about what I experienced so they could claim what I was saying was untrue.”
He said that he made 10 of his clients available to be questioned by the league, and that he would have produced more of them to be interviewed, if the NFL had wanted to talk to them. He said that he offered to submit sworn statements from all of his clients regarding their interactions with Watson, but that the NFL declined.
Buzbee said that, at the three-day hearing conducted by Judge Robinson, none of the plaintiffs were invited to testify.
His very strong opinions regarding the situation miss one very important point. The NFL’s process resulted in a finding that Watson violated the Personal Conduct Policy by committing “non-violent sexual assault” with four massage therapists, violating the policy in three different ways. Judge Sue L. Robinson also found that Watson’s testimony — a “categorical denial” — wasn’t truthful, and that he lacked remorse.
While Buzbee may disagree with the six-game suspension, but he should welcome the factual findings. They give the league exactly what it needs to impose a much greater suspension on appeal. Thus, Buzbee shouldn’t complain just yet about what the NFL does with the appeal. There’s a very good chance that he’ll be very happy with the final result of the league’s full and complete procedures.
Being that it's an appeal are they going to be restricted to the same 4 cases? If so, not likely this dude is going to see it any differently
CloakNNNdagger
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Both of our sources have that kind of reach.
leebigeztx
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So you say, but up until this point with the speculation, everyone has been wrong. From when the decision would be made to what the judge would rule, etc.. Its ok to be wrong. Even the so called sources have been wrong consistently regarding this case.
leebigeztx
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none of yall sources knew the judge would take the time she did or her conclusion or did I miss something?
leebigeztx
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Ridley basically did what Pete Rose did for the most part. Its pretty cut and dry. I don't even think they can play fantasy football. My godson is in the league and we were talking about Riddley over dinner after it happened. There are very,very strict provisions in terms of gambling.
TexansBull
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They have been right this whole time with their inside information. You are wrong when you say they have been wrong about their speculation. They both were first to say the NFL was seeking an indefinite suspension.
They openly said year no one knew what Robinson would do and she was not leaking information.
Max
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They're using Robinson's judgment of guilt to revisit the punishment aspect -- not asking for the NFL to submit an entirely new case. So yes, same 4, but they'll use the 24 as extenuating circumstances where Robinson found reasons for mitigating circumstances.
I never made any statement on what Robinson would rule nor did I state when - Other than to say we'd know when she told us, not before.
There were no sources on Robinson period. Anything that was stated was opinion, a guess or flat out made up.
I don't think we were "wrong" about the grand jury ruling when the detectives who executed the investigation are all "bewildered that there was no indictment" when there were multiple cases that involved physical force that resulted in everything from forced oral to forced penetration. So much for that "non-violent sexual assault", like there ever was such a thing ....
I don't think I've posted anything to this point that was "wrong" about this case.
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maverick512000
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I don’t think anyone ever thought Buzzbee was doing any of this out of the goodness of his heart nor that he would give a flying F about any of these women if there wasn’t a payday and spotlight involved.
However to quote Chronicles of Riddick “In these times, evil must be fought with another kind of evil.”
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CloakNNNdagger
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Noone had sources to the judge. Both of us have sources in the League office.
CloakNNNdagger
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An "indefinite suspension" is a "ban" in that there must be a successful formal petition to the League for reinstatement, which may never occur........as was the case with Vontaze Burfict, who received a 12-game indefinite suspension....a suspension he never was able to return from.
Max
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Is this what you're hearing from your sources? Indefinite suspension?
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Deshaun Watson’s inadequate suspension gives Roger Goodell a chance to save face
Perspective by Kevin B. Blackistone
Columnist
August 5, 2022 at 5:01 a.m. EDT
Perspective by Kevin B. Blackistone
Columnist
August 5, 2022 at 5:01 a.m. EDT