powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Hope so. I firmly believe if they had anything substantial against him they would have already presented charges. The court system is stupid though and you never know for sure.
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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson
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Hope so. I firmly believe if they had anything substantial against him they would have already presented charges. The court system is stupid though and you never know for sure.
Mr teX
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kinda been my thoughts as well.
Other way around. They aren’t taking their time because they don’t have anything. The DA could have declined to take it to the GJ. They didn’t. The GJ could have already declined charges if they so chose. They haven’t. The longer that this takes, it signals it is not good for Watson. The DA not commenting on anything, also an indicator.
Also, this grand jury was said by some in the media to wrap up by January. Then, February, March, now April. You also have the possibility other complainants came forward, more evidence found. Corrosion stated 11 complainants with other cases involving minors being investigated. Reading the lawsuits, there are multiple law violations that could arise out of one complaint regarding Watson. Trafficking being one.
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Misdemeanors don’t require indictments. Only felonies do.
Not surprising.
CloakNNNdagger
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INFORMATION & INDICTMENT IN TEXAS
The information and the indictment are the formal charging instruments used by Texas courts to inform the defendant of what criminal behavior he is accused of.
An information is the charging instrument for most misdemeanor crimes. An information does not go to a grand jury. Rather, an information must be signed by a prosecutor and supported by a sworn complaint.
An indictment is the charging instrument for felony crimes. An indictment must be voted on a by a grand jury. The grand jury consists of twelve persons. To get an indictment, the prosecutor must persuade nine out of the twelve grand jurors that probable cause exists that the defendant is guilty. This is known as a “true-bill.” When the prosecutor fails to get nine votes, a “no-bill” occurs.
Even if there were such a thing as a non-felony indictment, what possible charge could they lay on him that you would be OK with?
Indecent exposure?
If he's charged with anything coming from these allegations he should be done. Out of the NFL.
houstonhurricane
Veteran
i thought that a Texas GJ can return misdemeanor charges based on the evidence presented -even though they aren’t originally tasked with a non-felony review.
badboy
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Curious as to why the attorneys are bickering? Should not the Judge demand Hardin provide the info? Lots of "running around" if you ask me.
badboy
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I know you are not lawyer but cannot Burney be sued for defamation of character or something by that complainant? Also, Texans could sue for same as did not provide NDA? I think they would have to prove Burney knew those things not true?
badboy
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True but that is the skunk in the works for me as they like most of us have little knowledge of what evidence is.
badboy
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I posted need guilty verdict but re-thought that you referring to the "charge" part of CBA?
CloakNNNdagger
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If the GJ does not feel the accusations rise to the level of a felony, the defendant will be no-billed. From there, the DA can reduce the crime to a misdemeanor and take it from there............OR..............
even if the GJ does not indict an individual, the prosecutor can re-bring the same defendant before the grand jury on the same charges multiple times, although prosecutors will usually wait until a new grand jury is convened for especially high-profile cases. This is allowed because issues of double jeopardy do not attach until a person has been formally charged. Finally, the DA could still choose to take the case to trial.
CloakNNNdagger
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Either of those claims would be difficult to pursue. Burney, if there was any evidence that, not withstanding the exact monies, that she came to him specifically to hush Watson.......then it may ultimately be too messy to get a clear finding. Since, in the end, he clarified his statement about NDA coming from the Texans, it ends up a nothing burger. Neither of the claims would be worth pursuing.
CloakNNNdagger
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From Badboy's post in the Watson Trade thread
I finally found a complete copy of the updated policy which is much more detailed than the previous policy.
PERSONAL CONDUCT POLICY League Policies for Players 2016
I found quite a few interesting facts.
One is in bottom of page 3 referring to condemning intimidation and the like of victim witnesses in investigations.......when they apparently did that very thing in their own investigation.
Another is the on page 4
Because the Fifth Amendment’s protection against self-incrimination does not apply in a workplace investigation, the league will reserve the right to compel a player to cooperate in its investigations even when he is the target of a pending law enforcement investigation or proceeding. A player’s refusal to speak to a league investigator under such circumstances will not preclude an investigation from proceeding or discipline from being imposed.
Worthwhile reading the entire POLICY.
I finally found a complete copy of the updated policy which is much more detailed than the previous policy.
PERSONAL CONDUCT POLICY League Policies for Players 2016
I found quite a few interesting facts.
One is in bottom of page 3 referring to condemning intimidation and the like of victim witnesses in investigations.......when they apparently did that very thing in their own investigation.
Another is the on page 4
Because the Fifth Amendment’s protection against self-incrimination does not apply in a workplace investigation, the league will reserve the right to compel a player to cooperate in its investigations even when he is the target of a pending law enforcement investigation or proceeding. A player’s refusal to speak to a league investigator under such circumstances will not preclude an investigation from proceeding or discipline from being imposed.
Worthwhile reading the entire POLICY.
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Unfortunately, that’s an assumption. It could easily be argued that those NDA’s were meant to prevent the public release of any specific treatment plans b/c it could help opposing teams. Now you can twist the meaning of those NDA’s any way you want, but it has to hold up against a strong counter argument.
NDAs cannot be used to cover criminal conduct. You don’t have someone sign an NDA for a massage. Period.
Massage Magazine appears to disagree:
Working with High-Profile Clients: What You Must Know about Networking & Non-Disclosure Agreements
"You must retain confidentiality with all of your clients, high-profile or not. However, confidentiality related to high-profile clients is oftentimes instituted by a non-disclosure agreement (NDA), which protects both you and your client.
In some cases, you might be required to sign a nondisclosure agreement to work with a particular client. Signing an NDA requires that you do not discuss your working relationship with this particular client and often also requires that you do not repeat anything that you are privy to.
If a potential client requires that you sign an NDA, then not signing it is likely to cost you the opportunity to work with them."
badboy
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I read that before but and I know I am in the minority here I think she should have asked him to leave at that point calling the police if necessary. I understand all the pressure and trying to build her business aspects. Safety over $.
badboy
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But you are assuming that the NDA if it was there was to cover criminal activities. It could have been for other issues.
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Interesting how there’s no other website reporting anything about this. Or how this is standard. Because it’s not. Search Google, no other websites saying this. Celebrities require NDAs about a lot of things. No, it’s not normal to require this of getting a massage.
badboy
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In a criminal case though it would not have to be normal just a possibility correct?
It still wouldn’t hold up in court because it doesn’t cover criminal acts. You also have to look at the fact Watson had a team masseuse and chose to go to outside women many times. And my point is this. Watson intended to use the NDA for sex, not massages.
Remember this? Still awaiting the filing on this. However, in Jasmine Brooks’ deposition, in the longer version, she admitted that She obtained her attorney THROUGH Rusty Hardin’s office. It’s in a filing on the district clerk’s website. Specifically when asked by Buzbee who in Hardin’s office provided her with the attorney, Brooks said a woman named “Rachel”. She claimed not to know her last name.
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Also fun fact. This attorney that Hardin’s office provided, his specialty is criminal defense.......
Cordt Akers | Team Leaders | Staff
www.akersfirm.com
Did Watson ask you to sign an NDA?
Not trying to be funny, but wondering how you would know his intent?
Using a towel instead of draping showed his intent
A woman named Rachel is a man named Cordt Akers?
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Buuuuzzzzz……assumption. That’s not going to hold up b/c it’s pure speculation.
CloakNNNdagger
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
@djohn2oo8
You've posted constant updates here. Great info but I have to wonder:
Do you think your neutral on the topic of Watson?
You've posted constant updates here. Great info but I have to wonder:
Do you think your neutral on the topic of Watson?
No. I’m not. Because I’m not a juror, I don’t have to be. Because Rusty Hardin’s side has been caught in numerous lies, I don’t have to be neutral.
“FBI investigating Buzbee’s complainants” - lie
“Watson was being extorted for 30,000” lie , no proof on Bryan Burney’s recording that this was true.
Jasmine Brooks going on television saying her text message didn’t mean anything when the message showed clearly she did not want to be called for questioning, and that Watson was doing a lot.
Brooks lying about even knowing Watson
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Also, for those who claim Buzbee is playing the case in the media, do you remember the 18 women that Rusty put a statement out for saying that they supported Watson?
Well, For 7 months, Buzbee has been requesting the information of those women, names, contact info, address, which he is entitled to. Rusty, in correspondence with Buzbee, has been saying those women have no knowledge of the plaintiffs allegations and are thereby inconsequential to the case. So, no statements provided by these women to the court, none of their contact information submitted which is required. Rusty filed a motion regarding these 18 women in support however he did not provide the names, statements, contact information. Seems like he played the media game. He has however, been ordered to turn that information over to the court.
Now, why would Rusty not want to provide the ladies’ information? Could it be that Jasmine Brooks was sent her attorney through Rusty’s office? Because that is a conflict of interest seeing that Brooks is very unlikely paying for her attorney. That would be a defense witness’ legal services being paid for by the defendant potentially. Very problematic. Were the other ladies’ paid or coerced to put out a statement in the media?
Well, For 7 months, Buzbee has been requesting the information of those women, names, contact info, address, which he is entitled to. Rusty, in correspondence with Buzbee, has been saying those women have no knowledge of the plaintiffs allegations and are thereby inconsequential to the case. So, no statements provided by these women to the court, none of their contact information submitted which is required. Rusty filed a motion regarding these 18 women in support however he did not provide the names, statements, contact information. Seems like he played the media game. He has however, been ordered to turn that information over to the court.
Now, why would Rusty not want to provide the ladies’ information? Could it be that Jasmine Brooks was sent her attorney through Rusty’s office? Because that is a conflict of interest seeing that Brooks is very unlikely paying for her attorney. That would be a defense witness’ legal services being paid for by the defendant potentially. Very problematic. Were the other ladies’ paid or coerced to put out a statement in the media?
Bottom line, who's paying for Brooks attorney?
Who indeed....Corrosion stated in one of his posts that it was being paid for by Watson. I believe it.
CloakNNNdagger
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During the 1st day of Brooks deposition, Brooks' attorney Cordt Akers would not allow her to answer questions regarding who is paying for her attorney............and how much. During the 2nd day of her deposition, the judge ordered Akers to turn over that information.
How long do you think it will take before that information becomes public? This is a general question and not directed at you individually. Perhaps Djohn might have an idea.
Should hopefully be soon. The DC website is taking some time uploading documents from January and February. Or maybe it could be a document that is sealed and confidential. We shall see, but I’m anticipating it should be public soon.
Buzbee also states that Jasmine Brooks in her deposition disclosed that she has spoken to Watson’s legal team more than 10 times
We will probably never know, but I'm very curious about the timeline regarding when the Houston Texans management found out about his escapades.
CloakNNNdagger
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Brady Quinn: "No. I had a player who played there that said to me, 'Yeah, we knew this was going on for awhile.' So if they know, then you'd have to think that this goes back even further and there might be a pattern or a history of this, especially with as many women as it has been. And that's what I think concerns you as a team, like if you're the Carolina Panthers and you're David Tepper, and you want to go all in on getting him and you bring him in, and then the next thing you know, you've got someone who goes back to his college days. This is complete speculation. I don't want to sound reckless, but that is at least what's being circulated here in Indianapolis."
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"...........then the next thing you know, you've got someone who goes back to his college days. This is complete speculation." Disclaimer for protection against potential suit. College days explains the "minors" involvement relayed by my source.
Texansballer74
The Marine
They probably aren’t pushing it because of this.
Deshaun Watson's Actions Were Not a Secret in Houston | 1070 The Game | FOX Sports Radio
On Thursday's 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Brady Quinn tells Jonas Knox and LaVar Arrington why teams are so hesitant to go all-in on a trade for Deshaun Watson, who may face further allegations in the future.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Appreciate the honesty.