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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

Mr teX said:
:spit:….Ok Detective Benson…Your response is what watching too much Law & order SVU does to people & the only thing that’s really sad is your rebuttal. Sorry it just burns you up that You can’t speak for all women and portray them as victims. Sorry that you just can’t wrap your head around the idea that some women can actually say no and it stop advances. Sorry that women do have the capabilities of doing anything other than complying. The way you portray it all, DW4 had all these women at knifepoint….

Get outta here with your nonsense Detective Stabler…
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:bravo: lol 😆 great post
 
SnakeEyes said:
:bravo: lol 😆 great post
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I don’t and won’t sit and take mockery about my work in the field. I also don’t find sexual assault to be very funny. Especially if someone in your life has ever been sexually assaulted male or female, and they just have never told you. Then it wouldn’t be so funny would it.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
I don’t and won’t sit and take mockery about my work in the field. I also don’t find sexual assault to be very funny. Especially if someone in your life has ever been sexually assaulted male or female, and they just have never told you. Then it wouldn’t be so funny would it.
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Does that mean you won't be around to spout your brand of xxxx anymore?
 
maverick512000 said:
Huh, I could have sworn I was quoting djohn2008. Guess I didn’t pay careful enough attention.
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No biggie. Just discussion among friends. As I said in response to Lucky, I often don't look at poster or thread title just go with flow of conversation. I also have to delete some posts as I at first misunderstood.
 
JB said:
Does that mean you won't be around to spout your brand of xxxx anymore?
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Valid question. Seeing he doesn't have a clue that my reply laughing had to do with the way something was worded. Not the situation or act of Watson and what he did. I don’t want him around this team. Let someone else have him.

Heard a podcast today about Flores being hired and him being able to get Watson to stay. My first thought was...guess I would have to find a new team to root for. Seeing I could not root for scum.
 
thunderkyss said:
Maybe.

I'd have to think long & hard (no pun intended) about it. I may even quit the NFL altogether if he takes another snap
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We all have our breaking point. Before the Watson sexual assault stuff came out I was adamant that I would never watch Houston again if they traded him because they couldn't work things out. Obviously things changed after that lol. Steel has made it clear he would no longer support the team.

If no charges are brought against Watson and he finds a way to make the civil suits go away, and he comes out and apologizes to our fanbase and city for his ridiculousness throughout this entire thing, I would move on.
 
amazing80 said:
We all have our breaking point. Before the Watson sexual assault stuff came out I was adamant that I would never watch Houston again if they traded him because they couldn't work things out. Obviously things changed after that lol. Steel has made it clear he would no longer support the team.

If no charges are brought against Watson and he finds a way to make the civil suits go away, and he comes out and apologizes to our fanbase and city for his ridiculousness throughout this entire thing, I would move on.
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Ehh...

You know how some people think OJ is guilty even after he was acquitted by a jury?

That's where I'm at. If it were 6 or 7 complaints, maybe. But it's almost 30 complaints civil/criminal & I know there will be another bunch once the settlements/verdict come.
 
Copy of Deshaun Watson Settlement Offer Revealed
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One thing we CAN count on over the next couple months is the legal machine beginning to churn publicly again. We will get to the pending schedule for trial milestones in just a minute, but my guess is we may start to hear rumblings of settlements if the Texans find a trade suitor Watson likes. It's worth noting that the Miami Dolphins have reportedly moved on from trying to trade for Watson, and plan to roll with Tua Tagovailoa at quarterback in 2022.

Miami, of course, made a heavy run at a Watson trade right before the November trade deadline, but Watson was unable to settle all 22 lawsuits, a requirement from Miami ownership. So we know Watson, under the right circumstances, is willing to settle the lawsuits without going to trial. To that end, the Daily Beast acquired a copy of a Watson settlement offer to one of Tony Buzbee's 22 plaintiffs:

PDF — Watson_settlement_agreement.pdf

Watson is seeking full confidentiality and admits no wrongdoing
This part is interesting because at one point, it was believed that the big reason Watson did not want to settle was because he wanted to be able to tell his side of the story, and that he would not sign a confidentiality agreement. Whatever the case, this particular document zips the lips of both sides, and is very clear that Watson's settling is not an admission of liability or guilt, but instead the settlements are an effort to "buy peace." Okay then!

Watson's deposition schedule begins next month, and it looks brutal
If you've never been through a deposition before, consider yourself incredibly fortunate. Back in 2005, I was a Vice President of Sales for a small telecommunications company, who were the plaintiffs in a huge lawsuit against a branch of AT&T. I had to go through several depositions, not to mention taking the witness stand, and it was BRUTAL. To this day, I get PTSD when I see a courtroom on television, and I sure as hell get PTSD when I see this deposition schedule for Deshaun Watson:

Yikes! And I would imagine it's ten times more anxiety-inducing as a defendant with 22 civil plaintiffs accusing you of some pretty disgusting stuff. That said, Deshaun and his girlfriend, Jilly, seem to be having a delightful time over in Switzerland! Not a care in the world!

 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
Copy of Deshaun Watson Settlement Offer Revealed
SEAN PENDERGAST JANUARY 18, 2022 4:00AM


One thing we CAN count on over the next couple months is the legal machine beginning to churn publicly again. We will get to the pending schedule for trial milestones in just a minute, but my guess is we may start to hear rumblings of settlements if the Texans find a trade suitor Watson likes. It's worth noting that the Miami Dolphins have reportedly moved on from trying to trade for Watson, and plan to roll with Tua Tagovailoa at quarterback in 2022.

Miami, of course, made a heavy run at a Watson trade right before the November trade deadline, but Watson was unable to settle all 22 lawsuits, a requirement from Miami ownership. So we know Watson, under the right circumstances, is willing to settle the lawsuits without going to trial. To that end, the Daily Beast acquired a copy of a Watson settlement offer to one of Tony Buzbee's 22 plaintiffs:

PDF — Watson_settlement_agreement.pdf

Watson is seeking full confidentiality and admits no wrongdoing
This part is interesting because at one point, it was believed that the big reason Watson did not want to settle was because he wanted to be able to tell his side of the story, and that he would not sign a confidentiality agreement. Whatever the case, this particular document zips the lips of both sides, and is very clear that Watson's settling is not an admission of liability or guilt, but instead the settlements are an effort to "buy peace." Okay then!

Watson's deposition schedule begins next month, and it looks brutal
If you've never been through a deposition before, consider yourself incredibly fortunate. Back in 2005, I was a Vice President of Sales for a small telecommunications company, who were the plaintiffs in a huge lawsuit against a branch of AT&T. I had to go through several depositions, not to mention taking the witness stand, and it was BRUTAL. To this day, I get PTSD when I see a courtroom on television, and I sure as hell get PTSD when I see this deposition schedule for Deshaun Watson:

Yikes! And I would imagine it's ten times more anxiety-inducing as a defendant with 22 civil plaintiffs accusing you of some pretty disgusting stuff. That said, Deshaun and his girlfriend, Jilly, seem to be having a delightful time over in Switzerland! Not a care in the world!

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Blowing his money at a time he needs to not blow it
 
JB said:
So if he's not indicted, he doesn't hve to make a settlement with them
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The cases that are in police hands are not civil suits but rather criminal. So, no he can't settle. He could try to get them to secretary take money...but it would be risky at the very least
 
SnakeEyes said:
The cases that are in police hands are not civil suits but rather criminal. So, no he can't settle. He could try to get them to secretary take money...but it would be risky at the very least
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In the rape allegations against Kobe Bryant the accuser wouldn’t cooperate with the police and the charges were dropped. He might have settled with her some way out of court. Can’t recall. Too lazy to Google.

I could see that happening again.
 
TexansBull said:
In the rape allegations against Kobe Bryant the accuser wouldn’t cooperate with the police and the charges were dropped. He might have settled with her some way out of court. Can’t recall. Too lazy to Google.

I could see that happening again.
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In the state of Texas prosecutors don’t need cooperation of the victim to proceed with the case if there is evidence. And unless the victim signs a non prosecution agreement, the case can proceed. This is especially true for assault cases
 
thunderkyss said:
Ehh...

You know how some people think OJ is guilty even after he was acquitted by a jury?

That's where I'm at. If it were 6 or 7 complaints, maybe. But it's almost 30 complaints civil/criminal & I know there will be another bunch once the settlements/verdict come.
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I dunno, I'm still pretty unsure about this whole thing even though some folks on this Board who's opinions generally speaking I pay attention to seem to be convinced that Watson is a real bad person who probably should be locked up for atleast a substantial period of time.
Now on this subject the person I probably sound out the most is my wife because she is a woman with 3 daughters and two granddaughters so like me she's
obviously no kid and she's seen her fair share of this world and her judgement in my highly biased opinion is solid.
Now she thinks Watson was a very foolish and stupid young man who'd never had any real money before made aome really dumb azz decisions, though she admits ultimately we all may learn it was worse, maybe far worse than that.
As far as the women go my wife says well did Watson tie them up, were they unable to get up and leave the room ? Did they not know the risks inherent in this
occupation ? Ok I'm sure many here will find my wife far too unsympathetic, and very insensitive. So FWIW there's a mothers & grannys thoughts I've paraphrased
on the subject.
But my wife (a Texans fan but not in the same sense she was a fan of the Oilers), and I will be so glad when this whole thing is over and we can all get back to football full time.
 
IDEXAN said:
I dunno, I'm still pretty unsure about this whole thing even though some folks on this Board who's opinions generally speaking I pay attention to seem to be convinced that Watson is a real bad person who probably should be locked up for atleast a substantial period of time.
Now on this subject the person I probably sound out the most is my wife because she is a woman with 3 daughters and two granddaughters so like me she's
obviously no kid and she's seen her fair share of this world and her judgement in my highly biased opinion is solid.
Now she thinks Watson was a very foolish and stupid young man who'd never had any real money before made aome really dumb azz decisions, though she admits ultimately we all may learn it was worse, maybe far worse than that.
As far as the women go my wife says well did Watson tie them up, were they unable to get up and leave the room ? Did they not know the risks inherent in this
occupation ? Ok I'm sure many here will find my wife far too unsympathetic, and very insensitive. So FWIW there's a mothers & grannys thoughts I've paraphrased
on the subject.
But my wife (a Texans fan but not in the same sense she was a fan of the Oilers), and I will be so glad when this whole thing is over and we can all get back to football full time.
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Not bashing anyone. I just observe there are many people who aren’t aware the power an athlete, or someone rich with connections can hold over a woman if they aren’t doing what they are told to do. Also, some of these women were referred to Watson and handled by an agency/spa owner who could fire them at any time. Coercion doesn’t just happen by force sometimes. If you are afraid to lose your livelihood being put in a position by someone else and knowing no one might believe you, what are you going to do?
 
djohn2oo8 said:
In the state of Texas prosecutors don’t need cooperation of the victim to proceed with the case if there is evidence. And unless the victim signs a non prosecution agreement, the case can proceed. This is especially true for assault cases
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But they usually don't. Like you said it depends on evidence. If they can prove without the "victim" testimony I'm sure they would. But if it's a week he said/she said they won't bother.
 
djohn2oo8 said:
In the state of Texas prosecutors don’t need cooperation of the victim to proceed with the case if there is evidence. And unless the victim signs a non prosecution agreement, the case can proceed. This is especially true for assault cases
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Excellent point and your right. We do know the official change/s. If it is rape...he could have a big problem
 
Some info about the indictment process......

Difference Between Charged and Indicted
Not everyone knows the difference between charged and indicted. When you’re charged with a crime, it’s an allegation that you committed a crime—usually a misdemeanor. But when you’re indicted in Texas, you’re being charged with a felony.

To be indicted, the prosecutor must take evidence to the grand jury, and the grand jurors then must vote to indict you. They might first talk to witnesses or request more evidence. Then the grand jury votes, at which point nine of the 12 grand jurors must agree there is probable cause of your guilt before they can indict you and take the case to trial.

Thus, indictments are issued in Texas by the grand jury, but only if enough jurors agree on the case. If not, no charges are filed, though the prosecutor can present the case to them again.
 
Also, my personal feeling he gets indicted for multiple Felonies. Just too many different divisions of the DA’s office involved.
 
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djohn2oo8 said:
In the state of Texas prosecutors don’t need cooperation of the victim to proceed with the case if there is evidence. And unless the victim signs a non prosecution agreement, the case can proceed. This is especially true for assault cases
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If all the accusers were to agree to a settlement I would think that a non-prosecution agreement would have to be part of that deal. Also with the extreme back load of cases would not a prosecutor more than likely agree to not proceed?
 
djohn2oo8 said:
Not bashing anyone. I just observe there are many people who aren’t aware the power an athlete, or someone rich with connections can hold over a woman if they aren’t doing what they are told to do. Also, some of these women were referred to Watson and handled by an agency/spa owner who could fire them at any time. Coercion doesn’t just happen by force sometimes. If you are afraid to lose your livelihood being put in a position by someone else and knowing no one might believe you, what are you going to do?
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Of course what you say about coercion by wealthy or powerful can be true and has happened before but is there evidence yet that it did here? I can see where accuser(s) will say it did while the defendant will say it didn't. Not sure how that will lead to a conviction.
 
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djohn2oo8 said:
Some info about the indictment process......

Difference Between Charged and Indicted
Not everyone knows the difference between charged and indicted. When you’re charged with a crime, it’s an allegation that you committed a crime—usually a misdemeanor. But when you’re indicted in Texas, you’re being charged with a felony.

To be indicted, the prosecutor must take evidence to the grand jury, and the grand jurors then must vote to indict you. They might first talk to witnesses or request more evidence. Then the grand jury votes, at which point nine of the 12 grand jurors must agree there is probable cause of your guilt before they can indict you and take the case to trial.

Thus, indictments are issued in Texas by the grand jury, but only if enough jurors agree on the case. If not, no charges are filed, though the prosecutor can present the case to them again.
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I thought you said earlier that a prosecutor in Texas could take a case to trial even if a grand jury had no billed? I am just trying to keep all this information straight.
 
badboy said:
Of course what you say about coercion by wealthy or powerful can be true and has happened before but is there evidence yet that it did here? I can see where accuser(s) will say it did while the defendant will say it didn't. Not sure how that will lead to a conviction.
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Corrosion alluded to saying there are text messages that indicate coercion by Watson. Those would be presented to the GJ and we wouldn’t know the contents of those until an indictment possibly. Also, keep this in mind. Some charges include the word “fraud” too, in addition to coercion. So for example, Watson says “I need a massage” then goes for sex, that’s fraudulent activities within that charge.
 
One last thing for the night. Both Corrosion and Cloak mentioned possible unnamed complainants and looking into the fact they were minors. I believe this section is why.......

Sec. 43.05. COMPELLING PROSTITUTION. (a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly:
(1) causes another by force, threat, coercion, or fraud to commit prostitution; or
(2) causes by any means a child younger than 18 years to commit prostitution, regardless of whether the actor knows the age of the child at the time of the offense.
(b) An offense under this section is a felony of the first degree.
 
Now all they have to do is find 12 jurors who’ve had zero influence one way or the other by the media and/or the legal representation from both sides. This in itself should prove to be interesting.
 
TexansBull said:
In the rape allegations against Kobe Bryant the accuser wouldn’t cooperate with the police and the charges were dropped. He might have settled with her some way out of court. Can’t recall. Too lazy to Google. In the case of Watson, NONE of them went to the hospital to collect evidence, nor did any of them go to the police, unlike Kobe Bryant accuser (but the evidence exonerated Kobe).

I could see that happening again.
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It's hard to get her to cooperate when she has another man's semen in her panties when they go to conduct the DNA test. She was probably just too embarrassed to have that revealed at trial.

DNA evidence forces prosecutors to drop Kobe Bryant rape case

The prosecution of basketball superstar Kobe Bryant on rape charges was on the verge of collapse last night as prosecution sources told several media outlets they would ask the judge to drop the charges as early as today.
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
 
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cbs1507 said:
It's hard to get her to cooperate when she has another man's semen in her panties when they go to conduct the DNA test. She was probably just too embarrassed to have that revealed at trial.

DNA evidence forces prosecutors to drop Kobe Bryant rape case

The prosecution of basketball superstar Kobe Bryant on rape charges was on the verge of collapse last night as prosecution sources told several media outlets they would ask the judge to drop the charges as early as today.
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
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“Bryant’s defense team, on the other hand, brought up the accuser’s past sexual history. The accuser stated that she’d had consensual sex on June 27 or 28, and when the panties she wore to her medical exam the following day were tested, they found semen and a hair follicle that did not belong to Bryant. These were, for clarification purposes, a separate pair of panties she put on and wore to her exam—not the panties from the night in question, which were collected and tested separately—and the accuser claimed she’d accidentally put on a pair of dirty panties for the exam. Bryant’s defense team claimed that the vaginal trauma suffered by the accuser could have been from having “multiple partners” in a short time span, though Det. Winters had testified that a nurse told him the injuries had likely occurred in the past 24 hours.”

This part of the reason women don’t come forward. Things get twisted.

www.thedailybeast.com

Kobe’s Disturbing Rape Case

The NBA legend has received a hero’s sendoff during his final season. But there’s one incident that will always taint Bryant’s career.
www.thedailybeast.com www.thedailybeast.com
 
djohn2oo8 said:
One last thing for the night. Both Corrosion and Cloak mentioned possible unnamed complainants and looking into the fact they were minors. I believe this section is why.......

Sec. 43.05. COMPELLING PROSTITUTION. (a) A person commits an offense if the person knowingly:
(1) causes another by force, threat, coercion, or fraud to commit prostitution; or
(2) causes by any means a child younger than 18 years to commit prostitution, regardless of whether the actor knows the age of the child at the time of the offense.
(b) An offense under this section is a felony of the first degree.
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I remember seeing mention of minors elsewhere in an article I think. Kinda hard to prove without written or video evidence. Still, a felony 1 is stiff (pun intended) ,and this is the most damning claim so far.
 
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