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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

Dejaview said:
I agree With you. Seems it matters for this entire forum to believe all kinds of crap about Easterby because of the way he presents himself. This forum doesnt Want to hold these women to the same standard. Nation of idiots.
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For the record I've been saying people have the Easterby thing all wrong. Without saying so, I've been saying they're letting their prejudice show

I'm the same guy saying just because she dresses a certain way, or accepts money for sex, doesn't mean you can sexually assault/rape them.

I'm not going to look at her & set the bar for justice a little lower because Watson is on my FF team.
 
maverick512000 said:
I agree it is sad that it’s debatable but probably not for the same reason you do.
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Then debate with me. $10,000 hooker says 'no' and that's all that matters is that she said no. No problem with that if that's the truth. But it misses the point entirely. We don't know the truth and we have to decide if what she is saying is true. You guys apparently want to just believe her because she's a woman and she said that she said no. Explain to me why something in her background that suggests that she might be lying should not be considered and you win the argument.
 
Brisco_County said:
Just dropping in to comment on this fiasco.

We can be certain the front office knew Watson was into happy massages. They hire people to follow him and know these things. We can't be certain they knew about the assaults. Maybe some girls told them, but we don't know.

We can also be certain these women have no interest in taking this to a criminal court without winning the DW4 litigation sweepstakes. Which is fine, it's their choice on how they get even. But they hold the leverage. The prospect of destroying an NFL star's career through an embarrassing criminal trial should not be expended until you get a house out of it. The reason Watson got a criminal defense attorney is to assess how much leverage the women actually hold.

Many women will try to join the suit, few will get a settlement. All settlements will be determined by the content of the text messages.

The final chapter will look like a combination of Ben Roethlisberger and Michael Vick. Watson will write one-time checks to some accusers, but for the rest of his career he'll be writing checks to women's shelters and sexual assault non-profits. The NFL will capitalize on these "very regretful incidents" to pivot away from social justice messaging to sexual assault awareness because the league very very sincerely believes in this new urgent social cause, and not because they were just looking for any excuse to abandon their previous social cause which may or may not have been impacting ratings.

And by 2023 it'll be mostly forgotten. And like Roethlisberger, I'm betting Watson will remain with his original team, who he'll be immensely grateful to for supporting him through "his very difficult and eye-opening journey."
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Pretty much
 
maverick512000 said:
Truth be told, you’re right. Depending on how this goes it could set the standard for how the NFL handles cases like this in the future. The Big Ben scandal was before the #metoo movement and AB’s thing kind of died because he was already out of the NFL at the time. Watson, however, is a very high profile star for the NFL.

I’m wondering if the NFL hasn’t told the Texans to just keep silent, do their non-Watson related business and let things play out.
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I wonder how many other massage therapist around the league have dollar signs in their eyes? Can you say tip of the iceberg. One thing for sure, there are plenty of attorneys to go around... every pot of gold.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
With him saying that all of the complaintants have agreed to not seeking more than the $500 minimum in Damages, he had certainly sounds like he is shooting for criminal.
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Watson claimed that Buzbee had seeked for a six-figure settlement before any suit was filed.
www.usatoday.com

Massage therapist files lawsuit against Houston Texans QB Deshaun Watson

Watson responded that he had not yet seen the complaint and only became aware of its existence through Tony Buzbee's post.
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76Texan said:
Watson claimed that Buzbee had seeked for a six-figure settlement before any suit was filed.
www.usatoday.com

Massage therapist files lawsuit against Houston Texans QB Deshaun Watson

Watson responded that he had not yet seen the complaint and only became aware of its existence through Tony Buzbee's post.
www.usatoday.com
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I really admire an innocent person who is willing to fight at all costs to prove it. However, if there is any truth to these accusations and Watson had the opportunity to put a finger in the dam after the lead off batter signed a NDA for 6 figures and chose not to. He's either dumb enough to have done these things or was getting horrible advice.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
With him saying that all of the complaintants have agreed to not seeking more than the $500 minimum in Damages, he had certainly sounds like he is shooting for criminal.
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He (Buzbee) said the seven lawsuits filed are for the jurisdictional minimum of $500. Each of the suits says the woman is seeking “any and all damages to which she may be entitled.”

article reads like Buzbee is starting at $500, aiming for the moon

did Buzbee say they would not seek more?
if so,
Game Over
 
ColeThornton said:
I really admire an innocent person who is willing to fight at all costs to prove it. However, if there is any truth to these accusations and Watson had the opportunity to put a finger in the dam after the lead off batter signed a NDA for 6 figures and chose not to. He's either dumb enough to have done these things or was getting horrible advice.
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People do it all the time.
 
thunderkyss said:
It doesn’t matter what the pictures suggest. She could’ve been a $10,000 call girl. If she says, “No, I don’t do that.” No means no.
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Max said:
The woman's conduct ABSOLUTELY matters to me when there's a 50/50 chance someone is lying.
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I think this is where your conversation & mine got off track.

You're saying she's a prostitute so she's obviously lying about the whole situation, along with the other 21 prostitutes alleging sexual assault.

I'm not arguing she/they could be lying. & if you're in the jury, sure you can base your opinion on the silicone & provocative clothing as far as her credibility.
 
wildroot said:
I see them attached very stealthy to the sides of buildings looking down, no signage whatsoever. I do see signs occasionally as I enter a building or store and even dressing rooms warning that I am being recorded, but but hardly ever when a recording device is attached to the outside of a bldg. Heck, just go to an ATM. I would certainly expect a level of privacy while in that public space as I tap in my PIN number, but I know I'm being recorded. I don't think I would have an expectation of being recorded while receiving a massage either. I have heard it's illegal to record someone while on the phone.
It just got me to thinking with all this stuff going on with DW4.
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You can record someone on phone. Law says at least one person on conversation must know the conversation is being recorded. I was told to do that by an assistant district attorney in early 1990s.
 
I believe in due process so everytime someone here chimes in telling me the whole board believes this or that I cringe.

Just remember, civil court standards don't match criminal law. Wait and see. This will probably drag on for half a year or more.
 
badboy said:
You can record someone on phone. Law says at least one person on conversation must know the conversation is being recorded. I was told to do that by an assistant district attorney in early 1990s.
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That's funny, because a person trying to secretly record someone in their conversation would always know they were doing it. I wonder why I hear so many warnings that my conversation may be recorded when talking to customer service etc... if it isn't necessary. It may vary from state to state.
 
thunderkyss said:
You're saying she's a prostitute so she's obviously lying about the whole situation, along with the other 21 prostitutes alleging sexual assault.
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I actually went out of my way to NOT say that she's obviously lying but that it should be a factor in determining the truth. At least this is what I tried to say below. Maybe it wasn't clear.

Max said:
I've made one point -- how the woman portrays herself on instagram SHOULD factor (NOT determine) into whether her version should be believed. A little sad if this is even remotely debatable.
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thunderkyss said:
I'm not arguing she/they could be lying. & if you're in the jury, sure you can base your opinion on the silicone & provocative clothing as far as her credibility.
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It's far more than provocative clothes in many of these profiles. I wish I could post them here -- if you've seen some of the ones I've seen, I don't think we'd be having this conversation. It's women posing in provocative positions, one was nude with her nipples covered laying back with her legs spread and a grapefruit cut in half covering her privates. Yet she's a 'massage therapist'. So yeah, I'm less likely to believe that this woman would be surprised that one of her clients wanted something sexual than if the woman's profile showed pics of an overweight 60 something lady with a shirt buttoned up to her neck. Then there's degrees of being provocative between those profiles. Not sure why someone wouldn't want to examine this information in deciding who to believe. And to be clear -- I have no idea if these are the types of profiles that DW was seeking out. But It seems like it's a fairly good guess.
 
ColeThornton said:
That's funny, because a person trying to secretly record someone in their conversation would always know they were doing it. I wonder why I hear so many warnings that my conversation may be recorded when talking to customer service etc... if it isn't necessary. It may vary from state to state.
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IIRC, it was set up to allow FBI to listen and record gangsters like mafia. It probably can be researched and someone post.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
With him saying that all of the complaintants have agreed to not seeking more than the $500 minimum in Damages, he had certainly sounds like he is shooting for criminal.
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With the number of women who have talked to the lawyer. It seems like if he isn't going to take it criminal then HPD may. Watson has pretty much until next week to pay the settlement. Otherwise, he may end up in a criminal case once Buzz turns over the evidence next week. 2 days to pay if they will still take the money.
 
Max said:
Then debate with me. $10,000 hooker says 'no' and that's all that matters is that she said no. No problem with that if that's the truth. But it misses the point entirely. We don't know the truth and we have to decide if what she is saying is true. You guys apparently want to just believe her because she's a woman and she said that she said no. Explain to me why something in her background that suggests that she might be lying should not be considered and you win the argument.
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Ok see you are missing the point entirely, it’s doesn't matter if she is a 10k hooker, a 10$ hooker, or a soccer mom. You are saying that her character should be taken into account which is exactly the character assassination and victim blaming that has been used for years and is why most women don’t come forward.

This has nothing to do with believing her or not. This isn’t deciding guilt right now this is doing an investigation and no her character should not play a part in that. Because if it does then basically you are saying that because of what she does then everything she says should be mistrusted until proven beyond a doubt.

You say we want to believe her just because she’s a woman, which isn’t tru but for the sake of argument, while you don’t want to believe her because you did a five minute Instagram search. So tell me if you go to a strip bar can you touch the girls anyway and any where you want because they are strippers? Do they not get the same rights and protections as a nun because of what they do?
 
Max said:
And that's why his goose is cooked, no one can prove that these women didn't say 'no'. But what you're saying is a big part of what's wrong with the me too movement imo. The woman's conduct ABSOLUTELY matters to me when there's a 50/50 chance someone is lying. If she gets to portray herself as a modest, stand up, hard working professional and we don't get to learn his version that she's advertising herself as a hoe with cucumber pics, then we're not being fair to the guy's version of what happened and his 50/50 chance of being right.
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Man, I'd sure hate to have you on a jury. You've got the case at least partially judged to favor one side just because a woman posts half naked pics with cucumbers? ******* strap her to Old Sparky already. And how about when a woman turns into women? If it was a one time occurrence, maybe even 2, I could certainly see it being a case of a money grubbing ho trying to take advantage of a rich athlete. And even then, you don't really know. But we're talking what, over 20 now? That's a big problem.

You realize men of the cloth commit unspeakable atrocities, right? They certainly carry themselves with a higher standard publicly. But I guess if it were ho's they did it to instead of altar boys, then what, are you 55/45 in favor of the priests? Because man, look at those big tits and how she handles that cucumber.
 
badboy said:
IIRC, it was set up to allow FBI to listen and record gangsters like mafia. It probably can be researched and someone post.
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Law allows for one party to knowingly record a conversation without the others consent/knowledge.

The mafia actually sounds like a very strong origin for that precedent but I doubt they've (fbi) done it without a subpoena since the 90's.
 
ColeThornton said:
That's funny, because a person trying to secretly record someone in their conversation would always know they were doing it. I wonder why I hear so many warnings that my conversation may be recorded when talking to customer service etc... if it isn't necessary. It may vary from state to state.
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It does, that’s what sunk AB when he recorded his conversation with the Raiders. In the state he was in it was illegal.
 
powda said:
Law allows for one party to knowingly record a conversation without the others consent/knowledge.

The mafia actually sounds like a very strong origin for that precedent but I doubt they've (fbi) done it without a subpoena since the 90's.
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Keep in mind the rules for law enforcement and for private citizens are very different. With a warrant police and FBI can pretty much do whatever they want and due to the Patriot Act some of it they can do without a warrant.
 
SnakeEyes said:
With the number of women who have talked to the lawyer. It seems like if he isn't going to take it criminal then HPD may. Watson has pretty much until next week to pay the settlement. Otherwise, he may end up in a criminal case once Buzz turns over the evidence next week. 2 days to pay if they will still take the money.
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It doesn't matter how many women come forward. It's about what they can prove. If the texts & DM messages we've seen so far is the extent of the proof, I doubt the DA is going to press charges.
 
maverick512000 said:
Keep in mind the rules for law enforcement and for private citizens are very different. With a warrant police and FBI can pretty much do whatever they want and due to the Patriot Act some of it they can do without a warrant.
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I think you noted it in your previous post "By state."

Legal in Texas for citizens. To my understanding, it's not legal for any 3rd party without a warrant/subpoena.
 
maverick512000 said:
Ok see you are missing the point entirely, it’s doesn't matter if she is a 10k hooker, a 10$ hooker, or a soccer mom. You are saying that her character should be taken into account which is exactly the character assassination and victim blaming that has been used for years and is why most women don’t come forward.

This has nothing to do with believing her or not. This isn’t deciding guilt right now this is doing an investigation and no her character should not play a part in that. Because if it does then basically you are saying that because of what she does then everything she says should be mistrusted until proven beyond a doubt.

You say we want to believe her just because she’s a woman, which isn’t tru but for the sake of argument, while you don’t want to believe her because you did a five minute Instagram search. So tell me if you go to a strip bar can you touch the girls anyway and any where you want because they are strippers? Do they not get the same rights and protections as a nun because of what they do?
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Hasn't our legal system always allowed the accused to face their accuser and challenge not only their accusations but their credibility and character? I believe this is true both criminally and civily. How would a system work where one side is automatically above challenge in these regards? Judges have great latitude in what they allow and what they don't allow to be heard, but in this type case(he said/she said), I would be surprised if a Judge didn't grant great latitude in this regard.
 
ColeThornton said:
Hasn't our legal system always allowed the accused to face their accuser and challenge not only their accusations but their credibility and character? I believe this is true both criminally and civily. How would a system work where one side is automatically above challenge in these regards? Judges have great latitude in what they allow and what they don't allow to be heard, but in this type case(he said/she said), I would be surprised if a Judge didn't grant great latitude in this regard.
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No judge assigned to any case yet. Just posturing on a wide scale level and borderline defamation to this point. When preliminary court proceedings begin these face book interviews won't be permitted.

Buzbee's fighting public opinion and winning so far.
 
thunderkyss said:
For the record I've been saying people have the Easterby thing all wrong. Without saying so, I've been saying they're letting their prejudice show

I'm the same guy saying just because she dresses a certain way, or accepts money for sex, doesn't mean you can sexually assault/rape them.

I'm not going to look at her & set the bar for justice a little lower because Watson is on my FF team.
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so it doesn’t bother you that all these girls are unlicensed “massage therapist “ on Instagram? it’s pretty well known that “massage therapist“ on instagram are prostitutes.

has their been sexual assault or rape allegation?
 
powda said:
No judge assigned to any case yet. Just posturing on a wide scale level and borderline defamation to this point. When preliminary court proceedings begin these face book interviews won't be permitted.

Buzbee's fighting public opinion and winning so far.
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I agree and I think Busbee(at this point) thinks the only trial this will ever see is the court of public opinion. I believe his first strategy is to ratchet up the heat as quickly and intensly as possible to get a quick settlement. If that fails, then on to plan B.
 
mussop said:
so it doesn’t bother you that all these girls are unlicensed “massage therapist “ on Instagram? it’s pretty well known that “massage therapist“ on instagram are prostitutes.

has their been sexual assault or rape allegation?
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So are you suggesting that Watson is engaged in prostitution? Cause that’s illegal. I honestly can’t tell from your post.
 
ColeThornton said:
I agree and I think Busbee(at this point) thinks the only trial this will ever see is the court of public opinion. I believe his first strategy is to ratchet up the heat as quickly and intensly as possible to get a quick settlement. If that fails, then on to plan B.
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I've known attorneys who practiced for 20 years and never once gone to trial. A settlement is always preferred and a quick buck for them.
 
Jack Burton said:
So are you suggesting that Watson is engaged in prostitution? Cause that’s illegal. I honestly can’t tell from your post.
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It appears he was. He had access to top professional sports massage therapist and he was going to Instagram and hiring strange women give him ”massages”. Looks bad. Looks like that’s what most likely happened IMO. But that’s why we have investigations. At this point I think the best we can hope for is that Watson has a hooker problem.
 
mussop said:
It appears he was. He had access to top professional sports massage therapist and he was going to Instagram and hiring strange women give him ”massages”. Looks bad. Looks like that’s what most likely happened IMO. But that’s why we have investigations. At this point I think the best we can hope for is that Watson has a hooker problem.
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You know you’re in trouble when that’s the lesser of two evils.
 
thunderkyss said:
It doesn't matter how many women come forward. It's about what they can prove. If the texts & DM messages we've seen so far is the extent of the proof, I doubt the DA is going to press charges.
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That is correct with the DA, but there is a huge difference between criminal and civil. In a criminal trial it must not only be proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but you have to get a unanimous decision. In a civil trial I'll stop short of saying anything goes, but the prove beyond a reasonable doubt does not apply. If you can convice a jury your client deserves to be paid that's what's going to happen. And get this, you only have to convice part of the jury, it doesn't have to be unanimous. So even if a dozen women can't "prove" something, they would probably have more influence on a jury than one would in a civil trial. So as the dominoes continue to fall it gets worse and worse for DW.
 
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