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Sexual Assault Suits Against Watson

ColeThornton said:
Hats off... You know an HPD investigation could really help DW. Imagine Busbee trying this in the court of public opinion and in the middle of his closing argument HPD announces there's not enough here to even pursue.
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Not sure what that has to do with multiple players, but ummm OK.
 
ColeThornton said:
Hats off... You know an HPD investigation could really help DW. Imagine Busbee trying this in the court of public opinion and in the middle of his closing argument HPD announces there's not enough here to even pursue.
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High profile case they wouldn’t announce there isn’t enough to pursue particularly with as many women involved as there is now. There would be calls that the police are protecting Watson just because he’s famous. Let’s not forget in the larger world right the police are not very popular and there is the whole thing with the Cuomo.

So yeah the police would just say the investigation is on going and if it does have to be dropped they would make the DA office be the one to drop it.
 
maverick512000 said:
Ok see you are missing the point entirely, it’s doesn't matter if she is a 10k hooker, a 10$ hooker, or a soccer mom. You are saying that her character should be taken into account which is exactly the character assassination and victim blaming that has been used for years and is why most women don’t come forward.
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You keep coming from the assumption that the woman is innocent and the man is guilty. It's not character assassination, victim blaming or whatever new phrase you want to come up with to describe it if it happens to be an accurate portrayal of her character. Why not go into it with no assumptions and just let her character speak for itself? Good or bad. You're arguing that her character shouldn't even be looked at which is bunk.

maverick512000 said:
This has nothing to do with believing her or not. This isn’t deciding guilt right now this is doing an investigation and no her character should not play a part in that. Because if it does then basically you are saying that because of what she does then everything she says should be mistrusted until proven beyond a doubt.
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??? This has everything to do with believing her or not. So now we just get to jump to guilty verdicts without determining if accusations are true? Maybe everything she says should be trusted based on her character and you don't want that looked at either? Say you get accused of rape by a woman who's been proven to have falsely accused 10 other dudes or rape -- you don't want that to be used in your defense because her character shouldn't play a part in whether she's believed or not? Silly. Of course her character matters.

maverick512000 said:
You say we want to believe her just because she’s a woman, which isn’t tru but for the sake of argument, while you don’t want to believe her because you did a five minute Instagram search.
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You clearly haven't listened to a word I said. I don't want to believe her or not believe her. I want to go in with an open mind about the accused and the accuser and not jump to the conclusion he's guilty because a message therapist said so. The 5 minute instagram search was to bring up the point that there's the possibility that some of these women might be the type that I've described and that if they are, it should be considered in DW's guilt. If they aren't, it should also be considered in DW's guilt. I didn't anticipate having to go to these lengths to explain what seems to be an obvious concept but here we are.

maverick512000 said:
So tell me if you go to a strip bar can you touch the girls anyway and any where you want because they are strippers?
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No

maverick512000 said:
Do they not get the same rights and protections as a nun because of what they do?
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TripleTap said:
Methinks there are 2 kinds of “massage therapists” in the world, them as are massage therapists, and them as are not. The real question is did he mix up one with the other? Or are these just the others momentarily changing their stripes? Surely their internet presences will suggest which.
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TripleTap said:
This is silly, I think. If the women routinely traffic in your "happy endings" then Watson walks. They can SAY they said "No," but there's no way to prove it and their prior behavior (if they traffic in happy endings) suggests otherwise. Preponderance.

Just spitballing here. As someone else said, as the numbers go up ALL of the cases get weaker and more suspicious.
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A key fact that legitimizes the case against Watson is that two accusers were referred to him through NFL trainers. It proves these weren't sexy-time massage tarts trying to entrap a rich guy. They were legit professionals who are accustomed to working on famous athletes without getting weak-kneed and frisky.

Regarding the quantity of accusers, right now more complaints strengthens the overall case. The collective credibility of the accusations won't reach diminished returns until they're well into double digits. Around 25 is a convincing number.


SnakeEyes said:
HPD to get a full list of allegations from each case next week per NFL.COM

Buzbee told reporters he also intends to put together a packet of information regarding these cases to present to local authorities.
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CloakNNNdagger said:
With him saying that all of the complaintants have agreed to not seeking more than the $500 minimum in Damages, he had certainly sounds like he is shooting for criminal.
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Buzbee is just building his war chest for the civil case, which involves projecting the specter of an ominous and humiliating criminal trial. He needs to make the situation appear severe and inescapable. He needs the media chattering about felonies, jail time, losing it all, never playing again -- all factors that show up at a negotiation table far from a courtroom.

The women don't want to go to court either. One thing I know about massage therapists (<-- their preferred title, not "masseuse") is they don't choose the profession to become wealthy. Most are just passionate about it. So if a woman on a massage therapist's income were to be victimized by a regular middle class schlub, sure she's going to want him thrown in jail. But when the victimizer is a rich celeb, she's going to want that new house. She wants her kids set for life. She's not going to turn that down just so the celeb defendant can buy a reduced sentence of 2 years house arrest.

And something also tells me Buzbee doesn't have less desire for money than a massage therapist.

welsh texan said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1372977543234646016
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Perfect. Maybe Deshaun should ask OJ his advice on how to keep women from talking.
 
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maverick512000 said:
High profile case they wouldn’t announce there isn’t enough to pursue particularly with as many women involved as there is now. There would be calls that the police are protecting Watson just because he’s famous. Let’s not forget in the larger world right the police are not very popular and there is the whole thing with the Cuomo.

So yeah the police would just say the investigation is on going and if it does have to be dropped they would make the DA office be the one to drop it.
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At this point I think it helps Busbee's case for a criminal investigation to ensue. It's another twist on the ratchet creating more pressure on Hardin/Watson. But as I said, if Busbee plays this game of chicken until a criminal investigation is dropped(if it's dropped), it hurts his civil case. It might go something like this-
2:00 pm Tony: "We'll take 10mil and your client is off the hook"
2:01 pm Rusty: "Pound sand"
4:00 pm DA: "We have decided not to pursue criminal charges against Deshaun Watson"
4:01 pm Tony: "Hey my man Rusty, how does 5mil sound"
4:02 pm Rusty: "LOL We'll see you in court"

Now I know the civil case proceeds regardless what happens in a criminal proceeding. OJ was found not guilty in the criminal trial but still lost in the civil trial. I just think Busbee has a more valuable case if the DA doesn't look at an investigation and drop it.
 
TexansBull said:
While he was face down asking for more oil she could have turned her video recorder on her phone.
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Not admissible. The only reliable evidence outside the women's affidavits will be the text messages.

The reason prosecutors tried to use video against Kraft was because the police got a warrant to record in the rooms. It was eventually thrown out because they were also recording customers who weren't committing crimes, which invalidated the initial justification for the warrant.

Texansballer74 said:
Listening to this interview is very disturbing. Watson career as an NFL player might be done.
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Texansphan said:
I have a suspicion that this ordeal might be resolved fairly quickly - like within a month.
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I'm betting early summer. There's a lot to negotiate.

After that comes the agreed-upon hush money, Watson's press conference with public apology, and his commitment to educate himself on the realities of sexual abuse. Then immediately comes the NFL's new sexual abuse awareness campaign, the announcement of Deshaun's one-year suspension, and Cal's statement on how he hopes Watson uses his time away to "soul search" (ugh).

Oh, and the NFL's non-profit PSA's will regularly be reminding you that Watson's fall from grace is partially your fault. We men collectively haven't done enough to end rape culture, so we're just as guilty as Watson despite having never assaulted a women in our entire lives.

Then Watson's back in 2022 riding on a new narrative of redemption. Throw in some Christian inspired repentance themes to really sell it in the Southern markets. Then we've all healed together and can cheer on Deshaun Watson again, guilt free, or at least guilt equivalent.
 
Max said:
You keep coming from the assumption that the woman is innocent and the man is guilty. It's not character assassination, victim blaming or whatever new phrase you want to come up with to describe it if it happens to be an accurate portrayal of her character. Why not go into it with no assumptions and just let her character speak for itself? Good or bad. You're arguing that her character shouldn't even be looked at which is bunk.
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I’m not coming from it from any assumption but if you want to play that game I can just as easily say that you are assuming that just because people on Instagram come across as sex workers thats what these women must be to. Furthermore you keep ignoring the fact we’re not talking about 1 woman we are talking about 7 filed cases, 2 more being filed and possibly as many as 22. Yet you are saying Watson’s character is better than all of them.

Max said:
??? This has everything to do with believing her or not. So now we just get to jump to guilty verdicts without determining if accusations are true? Maybe everything she says should be trusted based on her character and you don't want that looked at either? Say you get accused of rape by a woman who's been proven to have falsely accused 10 other dudes or rape -- you don't want that to be used in your defense because her character shouldn't play a part in whether she's believed or not? Silly. Of course her character matters.
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Again you are trying to use a straw man argument and saying we are jumping to guilty when that has not been what any of this has been about. No one has said he is guilty all that has been said is it doesn’t look good. A few have tried to claim that the more women that come forward the better it is for Watson which is the stupidest thing I have ever heard since in no case anywhere has it been that more accusers helped the defendant. Even your falsely accused argument ignores the fact we are talking about double digit women here.

Max said:
You clearly haven't listened to a word I said. I don't want to believe her or not believe her. I want to go in with an open mind about the accused and the accuser and not jump to the conclusion he's guilty because a message therapist said so. The 5 minute instagram search was to bring up the point that there's the possibility that some of these women might be the type that I've described and that if they are, it should be considered in DW's guilt. If they aren't, it should also be considered in DW's guilt. I didn't anticipate having to go to these lengths to explain what seems to be an obvious concept but here we are.
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No I have listened to every word you have said and basically what you have said is because of what they possibly do means that Watson might not be guilty. All the while you have ignored the basic argument of no means no, period. The very fact you talk about their “type” in whether or not they should be believed highlights the problem. You may not have anticipated it but I didn’t anticipate that anyone can’t seem to understand that this isn’t he said vs she said it’s now he said vs she and she and she and she and she and she said.

Max said:
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Your comments suggest otherwise. Watson is innocent until proven guilty but these women shouldn’t have to prove that their character is good enough for them to be believed at least as far as it being investigated.

Fact is for all you know Watson’s character is just as bad, you’ve seen the public face he puts forward but you know nothing about his private life. If as you imply most of the women on Instagram are hookers pretending to just give massages then what was he doing looking for someone on there in the first place? If you are so big on character shouldn’t that call his character into question?
 
Speedy said:
Man, I'd sure hate to have you on a jury. You've got the case at least partially judged to favor one side just because a woman posts half naked pics with cucumbers? ******* strap her to Old Sparky already. And how about when a woman turns into women? If it was a one time occurrence, maybe even 2, I could certainly see it being a case of a money grubbing ho trying to take advantage of a rich athlete. And even then, you don't really know. But we're talking what, over 20 now? That's a big problem.
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Take your straw man argument somewhere else and stick to what I've said. I'm heavily leaning towards DW's guilt because of the number of accusations as you mention. But I'm also guessing that he's not guilty of everything he's accused of. I've already said that I have no idea if the IG masseuses were the type I described, but I've guessed that many are. And if that guess is right, then yes, if I was in a jury and learned that the woman's massage ad was suggesting sex, then I'm going to be less likely to believe her if she's claiming sex isn't part of her massages. If the woman has a more legit massage ad that doesn't appear to be advertising sex, then I'm going to be more likely to believe her. Not complicated stuff here.

Speedy said:
You realize men of the cloth commit unspeakable atrocities, right? They certainly carry themselves with a higher standard publicly. But I guess if it were ho's they did it to instead of altar boys, then what, are you 55/45 in favor of the priests? Because man, look at those big tits and how she handles that cucumber.
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Yes I realize that. Good point regarding whether a ho's word should be discounted just because she's a ho -- accurate and well said. But that's not what we're potentially dealing with in this case (I've got to spell every damn thing out for you guys cuz you keep twisting what I'm saying -- this assumes the IG ho scenario that we don't even know is accurate). If some of these women are advertising sex on their IG accounts, it's not a matter of just discounting what she says because she's a ho. The issue is that she's representing herself as a normal masseuse who doesn't perform sex acts, but her profile suggests that she does. So yeah, I'm going to use my brain regarding that woman and be less likely to believe her on the specific claim that she doesn't perform sex acts during massages when her IG account suggests that she does.
 
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maverick512000 said:
I’m not coming from it from any assumption but if you want to play that game I can just as easily say that you are assuming that just because people on Instagram come across as sex workers thats what these women must be to. Furthermore you keep ignoring the fact we’re not talking about 1 woman we are talking about 7 filed cases, 2 more being filed and possibly as many as 22. Yet you are saying Watson’s character is better than all of them.



Again you are trying to use a straw man argument and saying we are jumping to guilty when that has not been what any of this has been about. No one has said he is guilty all that has been said is it doesn’t look good. A few have tried to claim that the more women that come forward the better it is for Watson which is the stupidest thing I have ever heard since in no case anywhere has it been that more accusers helped the defendant. Even your falsely accused argument ignores the fact we are talking about double digit women here.



No I have listened to every word you have said and basically what you have said is because of what they possibly do means that Watson might not be guilty. All the while you have ignored the basic argument of no means no, period. The very fact you talk about their “type” in whether or not they should be believed highlights the problem. You may not have anticipated it but I didn’t anticipate that anyone can’t seem to understand that this isn’t he said vs she said it’s now he said vs she and she and she and she and she and she said.



Your comments suggest otherwise. Watson is innocent until proven guilty but these women shouldn’t have to prove that their character is good enough for them to be believed at least as far as it being investigated.

Fact is for all you know Watson’s character is just as bad, you’ve seen the public face he puts forward but you know nothing about his private life. If as you imply most of the women on Instagram are hookers pretending to just give massages then what was he doing looking for someone on there in the first place? If you are so big on character shouldn’t that call his character into question?
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Let's simplify this because you've put a bunch of words in my mouth I didn't say and gotten almost every take on what I said wrong. We both agree that we shouldn't assume DW's guilt or innocence, right? We both agree that things aren't looking good for DW because of the # of accusations, right? (never once said this didn't matter, but I believe that each claim should be looked at separately). We both agree that no means no is legitimate grounds for sexual assault, right? (never once said it wasn't, I said that what is at issue is whether we can believe that she actually said no). We both agree that DW might be the devil incarnate for all we know because you can't judge a person by their public persona (never said otherwise). There is literally only one thing that we disagree on. Whether or not a woman's character should be taken into account when deciding to believe her accusation. You've said it shouldn't be, I've said it should. If you can't discuss why a woman's character shouldn't be considered when making accusations then we have nothing else to talk about.
 
If I were Hardin, my press conference would go something like this.

"My client is seeking professional help to become a better person. Due to my clients despondency he will address his remorse at a later date when he is able. My client and I would like to sincerely thank Tony Busbee and all his clients for making this about a worthy cause and not about money, as he has said many times. We shall immediately pay each victim the $500 they have requested and would like to express our gratitude for their generous consideration for Deshaun in resolving this matter."

Now where does Buzbee go from there without looking like a fool? "Uh I really didn't mean it, it really is about the money", how does that work without losing all credibility? I've been surprised all along that Busbee keeps saying it's not about the money, we filed for the minimum, he emphasised it again in the press conference. If he's telling the truth, good for him. If he's not, he's just another lawyer.
 
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Instagram is filled with women who are selling their bodies, completely littered with them. It was such a big racket, someone came up with a site called OnlyFans where any person can sell their bodies to “subscribers.” If you don’t know this, you don’t know anything about any of this. This is common knowledge for any Instagram user. Go look at any ESPN comment section, and 20% of the comments are from individual porn sites.

Posting this on Instagram and calling for more accusers is exactly what you would do to maximize the amount of accusers, legitimate or not. Instagram is not a family place in the public domain. If you want to post your family photos, that’s great. Most people aren’t doing that, people make a living on this site with their photos. There are a ton of porn Instagram accounts.

That’s #1 and what I eluded to earlier. So, you have to understand that first to really understand this story.

#2: the texts so far show he asked availability, he asked if they were comfortable with massaging a certain area, which is common for athletes, even non-athletes. After one he says that he is sorry if they felt uncomfortable, and it wasn’t his intention. You really think he pulled his dick out and starting swinging it at her and then texted her “sorry if you were uncomfortable”? There is nothing there at all from a proof standpoint thus far.

Maybe he’s a psychopath, I doubt it. The number of accusers coming from an Instagram post means not Jack ****. You’re talking about a cesspool of people trying to make it on that site, in a society where everyone thinks getting rich quick is the only way of life. I’m at proof or it didn’t happen at this point. Way too easy for someone to get fucked in this type of situation. This is why social media is a ******* no-no for any legitimate person. Post family pictures to a select group, fine. You go past that and you enter the ******* **** zone of humanity. People will post embarrassing photos of their children, they will disrespect anyone for likes and the hint at some cash. The worst kind of people are on Instagram farming money in any way they can, jumping on a lawsuit bc they met a guy via Instagram is not at all beneath them. This lawyer clearly knows that better than most of the people posting here.
 
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Max said:
Let's simplify this because you've put a bunch of words in my mouth I didn't say and gotten almost every take on what I said wrong. We both agree that we shouldn't assume DW's guilt or innocence, right? We both agree that things aren't looking good for DW because of the # of accusations, right? (never once said this didn't matter, but I believe that each claim should be looked at separately). We both agree that no means no is legitimate grounds for sexual assault, right? (never once said it wasn't, I said that what is at issue is whether we can believe that she actually said no). We both agree that DW might be the devil incarnate for all we know because you can't judge a person by their public persona (never said otherwise). There is literally only one thing that we disagree on. Whether or not a woman's character should be taken into account when deciding to believe her accusation. You've said it shouldn't be, I've said it should. If you can't discuss why a woman's character shouldn't be considered when making accusations then we have nothing else to talk about.
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We do agree on all those things. Now here is the issue, it is not up to police, lawyers, reporters and especially not the public to decide whether a person should be believed or not. That falls on the court judge or the jury depending on how it is tried. Now I am not so naive as to think people don’t, indeed all of us here have a leaning one way or another even if most of us are waiting for more facts. However that judgement is the very reason why more women don’t come forward.

My biggest issue with what you are saying is it casts doubt based not on hard evidence but on perception. Women advertising on Instagram for this are perceived to be most sex workers so therefore their character is called into question before evidence is even gathered. This idea of “Well she didn’t say no to X so how do we know she said no to Y” is a very dangerous way of thinking to me.

Character is to broad a category and far far to open to interpretation. A woman dresses in something other than long sleeved, floor length dresses does that mean she has a bad character? To some people it does. A man sleeps with a different woman every night does that mean he has a bad character? To some people it does.

If we are going to judge based on character than who gets to set the standard and why do we all have to follow their definition of what is good character?
 
To make this story completely news worthy.....a genetically confused human needs to step forward and say Watson did things that left this human even further confused.
 
maverick512000 said:
We do agree on all those things. Now here is the issue, it is not up to police, lawyers, reporters and especially not the public to decide whether a person should be believed or not. That falls on the court judge or the jury depending on how it is tried. Now I am not so naive as to think people don’t, indeed all of us here have a leaning one way or another even if most of us are waiting for more facts. However that judgement is the very reason why more women don’t come forward.

My biggest issue with what you are saying is it casts doubt based not on hard evidence but on perception. Women advertising on Instagram for this are perceived to be most sex workers so therefore their character is called into question before evidence is even gathered. This idea of “Well she didn’t say no to X so how do we know she said no to Y” is a very dangerous way of thinking to me.

Character is to broad a category and far far to open to interpretation. A woman dresses in something other than long sleeved, floor length dresses does that mean she has a bad character? To some people it does. A man sleeps with a different woman every night does that mean he has a bad character? To some people it does.

If we are going to judge based on character than who gets to set the standard and why do we all have to follow their definition of what is good character?
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OK, we're narrowing in now on the point that I've been trying to make. Agreed about character being too broad, let's make this specific to DW's case and assume we're talking about how the jury should be weighing this. Your issue with what I'm saying not being hard evidence is the exact issue I have with your position not being based on hard evidence. It seems that you hear me saying that their IG profile should determine DW's innocence or guilt. I am rather saying that it should be included as evidence to factor into the accusers believability. And yes, I am without a doubt saying that if their profile advertises sex, that their claim to not be in on the game is less believable. For the life of me though, I cannot understand why you don't want their IG profile considered either to support their claim or denigrate it. Do you not see how it's unfair to DW to not include that information if it makes the accusers look bad? I understand completely that if they told DW 'no' and he moved forward anyhow, that he should be convicted and even if they're a 'ho' that it's entirely possible that this happened. But all of the information should be available to a jury trying to decide if what she said is true or not. I don't understand why you are not open to measuring their IG profile as part of the determination of whether the claim that they said 'no' is legit since there is no hard evidence on either side of a he said/she said incident.
 
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thunderkyss said:
For the record I've been saying people have the Easterby thing all wrong. Without saying so, I've been saying they're letting their prejudice show

I'm the same guy saying just because she dresses a certain way, or accepts money for sex, doesn't mean you can sexually assault/rape them.

I'm not going to look at her & set the bar for justice a little lower because Watson is on my FF team.
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well I agree to the sexual assault cases and I wasn’t singling you out. Those are the ones that trouble me. But I believe that if this is just a pure shakedown, blood in the water money grab frenzy then how they present themselves matters unless it can be proven that they run squeaky clean moral businesses. Otherwise each side his held to different moral standards. Moral standards are subjective and have been ever since the concept of universal moral virtues died with Plato. lol You could be getting a divorce from the biggest psycho in world so she gets a female attorney and falsely accuses you of battery and you have zero defense which just may be the case here in its own way.
 
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mussop said:
so it doesn’t bother you that all these girls are unlicensed “massage therapist “ on Instagram? it’s pretty well known that “massage therapist“ on instagram are prostitutes.

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I thought the first was a liscenced masseuse & so was the one flown in from Atlanta.

No, I agree if all these girls are in fact sex workers, the number of cases is more damning than the individual complaintant.

However, even if she is a prostitute, no means no.

& at least one that I know of includes rape.
 
Max said:
OK, we're narrowing in now on the point that I've been trying to make. Agreed about character being too broad, let's make this specific to DW's case and assume we're talking about how the jury should be weighing this. Your issue with what I'm saying not being hard evidence is the exact issue I have with your position not being based on hard evidence. It seems that you hear me saying that their IG profile should determine DW's innocence or guilt. I am rather saying that it should be included as evidence to factor into the accusers believability. And yes, I am without a doubt saying that if their profile advertises sex, that their claim to not be in on the game is less believable. For the life of me though, I cannot understand why you don't want their IG profile considered either to support their claim or denigrate it. Do you not see how it's unfair to DW to not include that information if it makes the accusers look bad? I understand completely that if they told DW 'no' and he moved forward anyhow, that he should be convicted and even if they're a 'ho' that it's entirely possible that this happened. But all of the information should be available to a jury trying to decide if what she said is true or not. I don't understand why you are not open to measuring their IG profile as part of the determination of whether the claim that they said 'no' is legit since there is no hard evidence on either side of a he said/she said incident.
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As you said we are narrowing down, you are talking about being in court and juries, since the case isn’t that far I’m not that far. All I’m talking about is the investigation since a lot of sexual assaults cases never get even to that because partly of what you are talking about.

Woman comes to the police and says “DeShaun Watson forced himself on me.” if the police are even willing to listen to it and don’t just tell her to take a hike you don’t think they won’t look at the profile and think “This hooker is just trying to turn another trick” hell they might even start investigating her for prostitution and make that the focus of their investigation. People keep asking why these women are taking it to civil this is a big reason why along with the lesser proof needed element.

If it actually goes to court then a judge will make the determination as to what will be and won’t be allowed as evidence so your argument about their profile should be submitted is honestly a moot point.
 
Dejaview said:
BTW since this seems to have been going on awhile is this perhaps why JE was hired?
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It’s a theory that’s been floated around recently along with this being possibly why Hopkins was traded, OB was fired and Watson’s mother was called. Of course we have no more proof about any of it but it does make you consider Easterby in a new light. Doesn’t me he’s not still a snake oil salesmen but it might mean there was actually something wrong he was claiming his snake oil could fix.
 
thunderkyss said:
I thought the first was a liscenced masseuse & so was the one flown in from Atlanta.

No, I agree if all these girls are in fact sex workers, the number of cases is more damning than the individual complaintant.

However, even if she is a prostitute, no means no.

& at least one that I know of includes rape.
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prostitutes that say no are collecting unemployment checks
 
thunderkyss said:
Are you trying to say since she presents herself a certain way, everything is fair game? That we should be able to force ourselves on any woman in high heels & a low cut top? Because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying.

“She looks like a sex worker. It’s ok to sexually assault them.”

Surely that’s not what you’re saying, right?
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Missed this somehow.

Guess it's really difficult to say (cause I tried my best) that it's fair game to look at how the woman presents herself on her IG profile to help in determining if she changed her story from willingly having sex to she was assaulted..... without you and apparently many others hearing 'she looks like a sex worker, it's OK to assault her'

No problem.

But yeah, she's a massage therapist.

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Max said:
Missed this somehow.

Guess it's really difficult to say (cause I tried my best) that it's fair game to look at how the woman presents herself on her IG profile to help in determining if she changed her story from willingly having sex to she was assaulted..... without you and apparently many others hearing 'she looks like a sex worker, it's OK to assault her'

No problem.

But yeah, she's a massage therapist.

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Yeah those fruit vagina photos didn’t age well. Not saying she’s lying but she ain’t no choir girl.
 
steelbtexan said:
Oh, it's going to be more than 5K.
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The Masseuses are going to get paid, it will be 6 to 7 figure MINIMUM per incident to make this all go away. In the end this will likely cost DW4 half of his signing bonus or more and the odds of him playing FOR the Texans this year just went up. The odds of DW4 getting an NFL suspension also went up dramatically. Lesson to player and agents, Thou shall not tempt the NFL. David Mulugheta and Deshaun Watson got a little bit too big for their britches. The NFL will have none of that.
 
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maverick512000 said:
As you said we are narrowing down, you are talking about being in court and juries, since the case isn’t that far I’m not that far. All I’m talking about is the investigation since a lot of sexual assaults cases never get even to that because partly of what you are talking about.

Woman comes to the police and says “DeShaun Watson forced himself on me.” if the police are even willing to listen to it and don’t just tell her to take a hike you don’t think they won’t look at the profile and think “This hooker is just trying to turn another trick” hell they might even start investigating her for prostitution and make that the focus of their investigation. People keep asking why these women are taking it to civil this is a big reason why along with the lesser proof needed element.

If it actually goes to court then a judge will make the determination as to what will be and won’t be allowed as evidence so your argument about their profile should be submitted is honestly a moot point.
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The problem with this type of activity is that it’s under the table and most likely illegal. Therefore facts are difficult to discern and circumstantial evidence is paramount. In circumstantial cases how a party identifies themselves is important. People can be entrapped by this. Lol, look at vice squads. Police women identify themselves as hookers and as soon as a guy hands her the cash he’s handcuffed. when both sides are doing something illegal a judge should allow circumstantial evidence to try to provide equal protection under the law because both sides will be covering their ass.
 
mussop said:
If the case wasn’t about money why did they try and extort him for 6 figures in the beginning? Just saying.
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First I absolutely believe that Buzbee and most likely even the women ultimately expect money and a lot of it. That being said there is a difference between extort and offering an out of court settlement. It a very fine line I grant you but it is a line. As has been mentioned a lot of times in these kind of cases the women don’t come forward because not only does nothing happen to the person but the women are themselves attacked. Just look at the reactions around here and that just a small sample.

Putting aside the fact that Watson should have never allowed himself to be in his kind of situation to start with when he was contacted by a lawyer on Busbee level he also should have known this wasn’t just some no name cash grab lawyer. He knew there was enough there that it could get bad, it’s why after the first one he retained Hardin, so he should have taken the easy way out, paid the money, got a NDA signed and then learned to stay off Instagram.
 
This thread is now 22 pages long but I bet if we were to poll the board "Do you think Watson is guilty of sexual assault" with the options being Yes, No, and Don't Know the majority would fall under the don't know category. But this thread reads like 12 Angry Men.

It appears that part of Watson's defense has been leaked. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ing-instagram-massage-therapists-to-covid-19/

So that will give the "jurors" of this court something more to pontificate.
 
banned1976 said:
This thread is now 22 pages long but I bet if we were to poll the board "Do you think Watson is guilty of sexual assault" with the options being Yes, No, and Don't Know the majority would fall under the don't know category. But this thread reads like 12 Angry Men.

It appears that part of Watson's defense has been leaked. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ing-instagram-massage-therapists-to-covid-19/

So that will give the "jurors" of this court something more to pontificate.
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First I agree most would fall under the “Don’t know” category, including myself. In fact we all should be under it as facts haven’t fully come out yet though we may lean one way or another.

As far as Watson’s defense strategy I’m finding that to be a very odd and somewhat weak defense. He still could have gone to the Texans on staff therapist and his used “family and friends” advice could be easy to disprove just by seeing if there are any previous clients with a connection to Watson. Even then if he was worried about covid why go to so many different people, better to pick one, make sure they were safe and stick with them.

I’m thinking this leak is fake as that defense strategy doesn’t make sense and Hardin is way to good to make such a weak one. Unless he really has nothing else and is just throwing some kind of explanation out there hoping the jury buys it.
 
banned1976 said:
This thread is now 22 pages long but I bet if we were to poll the board "Do you think Watson is guilty of sexual assault" with the options being Yes, No, and Don't Know the majority would fall under the don't know category. But this thread reads like 12 Angry Men.

It appears that part of Watson's defense has been leaked. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.c...ing-instagram-massage-therapists-to-covid-19/

So that will give the "jurors" of this court something more to pontificate.
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There is no scenario where this doesn't look bad for Watson. Things that are difficult to defend:

Why is he the one setting up appointments and seeking out these massage therapists?

Why are there currently a dozen women (with more to come presumably) claiming the same inappropriate pattern of behavior?

On a side note... given all of the league's Covid 19 protocols in place this past season I am surprised they wouldn't have a team/league rep setting up appointments such as this that would take place outside of team headquarters. I wouldn't be surprised if the team/player were fined/suspended for Covid 19 protocol violations as well when all the info comes out. But that is the least of Watson's concerns right now.
 
mussop said:
so it doesn’t bother you that all these girls are unlicensed “massage therapist “ on Instagram? it’s pretty well known that “massage therapist“ on instagram are prostitutes.
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I did not know this.

Is asking for a deep tissue massage code too?

Then it starts making more sense.

Especially if people are recommending people to each other in the locker room.

It’s a system that is place.

Still - no means no.

Edit: And he is an idiot for using that system.

And where are the people to help protect this guy from himself? We always know there is a guy in a group that takes the fall for drugs.
 
Wow............

This is bad
CloakNNNdagger said:
Good luck with this. :chef:
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Report: Deshaun Watson will attribute using Instagram massage therapists to COVID-19
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Should have gone to team therapist who got swabbed and temp checked. This is weak and now seems very guilty trying this weak ass defense.

Not gonna fly.

Freaking 22 women now? There are too many now. Might go criminal if DA thinks his a predator.

Bad advise by agent to jump out of contract, bad advise to not settle behind scenes of all the people, he should have known Watsons tendencies.
 
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