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Save us Savage!!!!!!!

Speedy said:
And Watson is any better?
Even with a TD pass, Watson's QB rating was worse than Savage, Y/A worse, and completion percentage worse.

Got news for you folks. It's not the QB. It's Bill O'Brien and this shit show he calls an offense.

Since OB got here;
14th to 21st to 28th in points
17th to 19th to 29th in yards

Judging from today, it doesn't look like he'll be satisfied until he gets to 32/32.
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We were just spoiled for 8 years watching a real offensive guru at work .... with a club footed noodle armed statue for a QB. You know , the same guy who made The Blundering Wizard of Os look like a competent NFL QB .... which cost Uncle Bob about $30m and a #2round draft pick. He who laughs last laughs best .....


Miss me now ?! :kubepalm:
 
Big Lou said:
Tom Savage post game: "I don't know who they were booing at, you can boo at me, but don't boo at my guys....."

Really?

I really hate when the fans boo at their own stadium , I really do, but I had no problem with today's booing. I mean did you see the game Tom? Our city's name is on your jersey and damn it was embarrassing. You turned to ball over repeatedly, hung on to the ball way to long, the o-line couldn't stop my 8 year old 62 lb daughter and you gave up 10, count then 10 freaking sacks. The D-Line was bull dozed, never so much as whiffed bortles. The secondary talks more than they play, the product looks identical to 2016 only worse which is saying something. The coaching is horrible on both sides of the ball, the GM didn't address huge needs and squandered draft picks in the off season.

The only reason you scored a single point today was because you threw a wrinkle at the Jags they weren't completely ready for on one drive, and even then it took a lot of boneheaded penalties by the Jags for that to happen.

So Tom why don't you give us one single reason not to boo at you, the offense, the defense, the coaches, the GM or anyone else?
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Not only that but after the catastrophic disaster that happen to the great City of Houston. The fans were looking for some type of comforting relief from our NFL football team. Instead we got that bullcrap they displayed on the gridiron. It was distasteful and heart breaking. Man just down right embarrassing.
 
badboy said:
Wasn't happy with Savage but some of those passes could have been caught.
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Yes, there were several drops of good passes by Savage. The o-line definitely did him no favors. There were was a play I remember where he dropped back on a three step drop, immediately tried to pass the ball on completion of the drop, and still was hit before he could get it out. It is hard to be successful under those conditions. I don't think Tom can be successful with this line, but I don't think there are many QBs who have a chance with this o-line and our depleted arsenal. We didn't have the deepest line-up to begin with and injuries have compounded the problem.

I was surprised by the level of success that Watson had when he came in to start the second half (not that it was tremendous success, but I was impressed based on what he had to work with). What impressed me the most was how quickly he got the ball out and his ability to avoid the rush. Another impression I came away with is that he is a passer who can run and not a running QB - to me that is a big deal. He looks down field, uses his mobility to buy time to find a receiver, and made a few impressive throws on the move. There were some inaccurate throws, but that is to be expended considers the pressure from the defense and the fact it was his first time to play in a real NFL game.

I feel bad for Tom. I think with a decent o-line he could possibly become a decent QB. With more experience and better play calling, he might be able to function with what we have, I don't know. But I have serious doubts he can get it done with this o-line. What I saw from Watson yesterday leads me to believe he might be able to be effective in spite of the horrendous o-line he has to play behind. It is a shame that either one of them has to count on that sorry excuse for a line to protect them.
 
PapaL said:
Savage had the crappiest drop back I've ever seen. Made Jay Cutlers drop back look enthusiastic.
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Getting the crap beat out of him probably wasn't helping. I think by the end of the half it was taking its toll on him and he was slowing up on his drop backs. Taking a beating and seeing your receiver drop the pass they should of caught that you just took a hit to get it to them can't be much of a confidence booster or incentive to take another hit, either.
 
Speedy said:
And Watson is any better?
Even with a TD pass, Watson's QB rating was worse than Savage, Y/A worse, and completion percentage worse.

Got news for you folks. It's not the QB. It's Bill O'Brien and this shit show he calls an offense.

Since OB got here;
14th to 21st to 28th in points
17th to 19th to 29th in yards

Judging from today, it doesn't look like he'll be satisfied until he gets to 32/32.
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Some of us have been saying that for quite some time now.
 
76Texan said:
Papal didn't post the rest of the tweets.

Braddock actually means that Savage did not hold onto the balls.
It was Watson who did (according to Braddock.)

I only got around to break down the first quarter; Savage was not the problem... At least up to that point.
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There were time Savage tried to throw the ball as soon as he completed his drop, but was still getting hit. It is hard to be successful under those conditions.
 
Big Lou said:
Tom Savage post game: "I don't know who they were booing at, you can boo at me, but don't boo at my guys....."

Really?

I really hate when the fans boo at their own stadium , I really do, but I had no problem with today's booing. I mean did you see the game Tom? Our city's name is on your jersey and damn it was embarrassing. You turned to ball over repeatedly, hung on to the ball way to long, the o-line couldn't stop my 8 year old 62 lb daughter and you gave up 10, count then 10 freaking sacks. The D-Line was bull dozed, never so much as whiffed bortles. The secondary talks more than they play, the product looks identical to 2016 only worse which is saying something. The coaching is horrible on both sides of the ball, the GM didn't address huge needs and squandered draft picks in the off season.

The only reason you scored a single point today was because you threw a wrinkle at the Jags they weren't completely ready for on one drive, and even then it took a lot of boneheaded penalties by the Jags for that to happen.

So Tom why don't you give us one single reason not to boo at you, the offense, the defense, the coaches, the GM or anyone else?
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My booing is always meant for BOB/Rick/McNair It is their system and they built this team. It takes awhile to build this type of team. How many years has Rick been here? The players are the soldiers following their plan. They are what they are. Up to Brain trust to understand what they have and make good decisions.

This is not a talent rich team no matter what they try and make you believe especially on offense.
Seriously how many players on the Texans offense would start on a majority of NFL teams.
I say two maybe three. Hopkins but far from top 3 and he would not be the No 1 on many teams. Brown probably if he is healthy. Really not sure who the other might be.
 
TexansBull said:
I would have a hard time saying any QB that is not a "running QB" like a Vick, Wilson, or RG3 would do good behind that line.

How do you think Ryan, Flacco, or Stafford would have done?
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It didn't matter Deshaun for his elusiveness was still sacked 4 times. Mostly for trying to sit in there too long instead of following his instincts, you know 'cuz running QBs don't work' ... If Savage stays in, the Jags probably set the single game sack record.

Hard to say what the other QBs could have done with an inferior OL and WR Corp. Lucky for them they have professional coordinators who would have tried something different. Even when Deshaun came in it was buttchin force feeding his inept system. One thing is certain that Watson brings electricity to the lineup. That 'oh man what will he do next' anticipation ... Both good and bad. Tha stadium was dead with Savage. Tommy needs better players around him to be effective.
 
I watched the first half to see Tom Savage's play. He actually had some great throws that were dropped. I had 2 drops from Hopkins and 1 drop from Ellington. All 3 hit both hands so it wasn't a miracle catch situation.

Savage was a little cautious but I don't think it was necessarily bad. It wasn't until the end of the 2nd half that I think the Jags really pinned their ears back. He was getting hit before his 3 step drop was being completed.

I think he needs to go back out there and hopefully the rest of the team can help him out a little with blocking and catching passes
 
hradhak said:
I watched the first half to see Tom Savage's play. He actually had some great throws that were dropped. I had 2 drops from Hopkins and 1 drop from Ellington. All 3 hit both hands so it wasn't a miracle catch situation.

Savage was a little cautious but I don't think it was necessarily bad. It wasn't until the end of the 2nd half that I think the Jags really pinned their ears back. He was getting hit before his 3 step drop was being completed.

I think he needs to go back out there and hopefully the rest of the team can help him out a little with blocking and catching passes
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And a freaking better game plan.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Tommy getting a pass! Good on you guys for sticking to your guns.
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Exactly. Tom held onto the ball quite few times as well. That lazy three step drop is what got him killed as well. When you are running a three step drop, the ball suppose to be thrown. But for some reason Savage didn't let it go. Maybe he either didn't trust his receivers or he didn't want to make a mistake.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Exactly. Tom held onto the ball quite few times as well. That lazy three step drop is what got him killed as well. When you are running a three step drop, the ball suppose to be thrown. But for some reason Savage didn't let it go. Maybe he either didn't trust his receivers or he didn't want to make a mistake.
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or maybe the receivers couldn't get open.
 
76Texan said:
When they did get open, they dropped the ball.
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After reading your breakdown of the first half it is evident that Savage was doing his part. He was getting the ball out quickly and accurately for the most part. The o-line and receivers really let him down, though. It is a shame that he has waited and prepared this long to get his chance and its pretty much a no-win situation. To his credit, he was supportive of Watson when he went in and appeared to do all he could to help him succeed.
 
I don't think savage is any good, I just think it's funny that he was better in training camp but is worse after one half
 
Texansballer74 said:
Savage doing his part.

Savage getting the ball out quickly.

Savage not being the problem.
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Jason Braddock at 790 breaking down Savage' game.

https://sports790.iheart.com/conten...udy-on-savage-in-game-1/#.WbbUXR1Tf7s.twitter
Texansballer74 said:
Savage doing his part.

Savage getting the ball out quickly.

Savage not being the problem.
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Also, if you take the time to read, he talked and answered about both Savage and Watson, starting some seven plus hours ago:

https://mobile.twitter.com/jaysonbraddock?lang=en
 
76Texan said:
Jason Braddock at 790 breaking down Savage' game.

https://sports790.iheart.com/conten...udy-on-savage-in-game-1/#.WbbUXR1Tf7s.twitter

Also, if you take the time to read, he talked and answered about both Savage and Watson, starting some seven plus hours ago:

https://mobile.twitter.com/jaysonbraddock?lang=en
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First of all I didn't get this link. I went off of what was said by you and another member.

Secondly, I believe I have a great understanding of this game. So I can form my own opinion on what transpired Sunday afternoon.

Finally I stand by my assessment. I also respect your opinion as well as Jason's.
 
Texansballer74 said:
First of all I didn't get this link. I went off of what was said by you and another member.

Secondly, I believe I have a great understanding of this game. So I can form my own opinion on what transpired Sunday afternoon.

Finally I stand by my assessment. I also respect your opinion as well as Jason's.
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You can certainly have your own opinion.
But that's why I always count the seconds.
On digital media, the number is very accurate.
A few years ago, in Kareem Jackson's rookie year, I upload series of photos on Photobucket (a website that let you store digital photos for free) showing frame by frame, any part of the play that is relevant.
I could do that to show the passes were right on money, and the receivers dropped them. They are all there in living color.
I haven't used the service since then, and I'm too lazy to go through all those troubles.
Not for ***** O'Brien, I won't.

:corrosion:
 
76Texan said:
You can certainly have your own opinion.
But that's why I always count the seconds.
On digital media, the number is very accurate.
A few years ago, in Kareem Jackson's rookie year, I upload series of photos on Photobucket (a website that let you store digital photos for free) showing frame by frame, any part of the play that is relevant.
I could do that to show the passes were right on money, and the receivers dropped them. They are all there in living color.
I haven't used the service since then, and I'm too lazy to go through all those troubles.
Not for ***** O'Brien, I won't.

:corrosion:
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That's why I credit the defense for most of those drops. The receivers were not open. One drop the pass was at the receivers ankles, he was off balance and was nowhere close to the first down.

Savage also held the ball too long on several plays which resulted in sacks and two fumbles actually. The first fumble was called back because of a defensive penalty.

Watson started off great but once the defense adjusted he was actually must worse. He was short on a lot of his passes but you can't throw a clean pass when the defenders either in his face or pushed the o linemen into his throwing lane.

Bill O'Brien should have adjusted with either moving the pocket and having his QBs to role out or run some screens. Man use their aggression against them. Plus stop running the ball on 90% of your first downs.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
It would be very foolish to try and place the blame of this loss at the feet of Savage. The Texans tried and failed at in-game success b/c of, a horrible OL and a massively disappointing effort by the defense.
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Who is placing the blame on Savage. Man this loss is on all of them, mainly Bill O'Brien, the offensive line coach and receivers coach. But a big chunk of it is on Bill O'Brien.
 
Texansballer74 said:
That's why I credit the defense for most of those drops. The receivers were not open. One drop the pass was at the receivers ankles, he was off balance and was nowhere close to the first down.

Savage also held the ball too long on several plays which resulted in sacks and two fumbles actually. The first fumble was called back because of a defensive penalty.

Watson started off great but once the defense adjusted he was actually must worse. He was short on a lot of his passes but you can't throw a clean pass when the defenders either in his face or pushed the o linemen into his throwing lane.

Bill O'Brien should have adjusted with either moving the pocket and having his QBs to role out or run some screens. Man use their aggression against them. Plus stop running the ball on 90% of your first downs.
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Could not agree more with the bolded.
 
If i was Savage I would be contacting my agent and see if I could get on with Arizona or Pittsburgh. Carson didn't look good and Roethlisberger was considering retirement. Get on as a back up and possibly be in a position to take over. Jets and LAC are others.

But all those teams will probably be drafting a QB next year.
 
TexansBull said:
If you were a QB would you want to QB this team, much less for an organization that puts together the type of offensive line we saw Sunday to protect you and for you to do your job?
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Not sure what that has to do with the previous posts. The Tom Savage myth is over. Time to turn the page.
 
Savages QBR from week 1 was better than only one Brock Osweiler performance from last year. Brock finished dead last (out of 50 QB's) in QBR last year.
 
He had a bad game.....but the o-line is DIRECTLY responsible for it. A few of the passes he did complete he had someone in his lap.

Outside of that inaugural season beat down of Carr in SD wk. 2, I don't think I've ever seen a worse o-line performance.

Noone....& I mean NOONE who played on that offensive line should have even accepted their game checks..forfeit them hoes to hurricane Harvey victims.

Hell even the PS o-linemen we're looking at that game like " I could do better than that ****!"
 
gafftop said:
Did they move the team to California today because this thread has gone to LaLa land.
1. Savage hasn't thrown as many passes in real games as many college QB's.
2. With this OL Savage is not mobile enough to be successful.
3. I don't think Savage is durable enough to be an NFL QB.
4. To indecisive or lack of confidence or inability to read defense.....not good for success.
Just my opinion.
I sure hope the plan is to bring back Weeden later because I don't want Watson to be forced to play when Savage goes down.
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Mr teX said:
He had a bad game.....but the o-line is DIRECTLY responsible for it. A few of the passes he did complete he had someone in his lap.

Outside of that inaugural season beat down of Carr in SD wk. 2, I don't think I've ever seen a worse o-line performance.

Noone....& I mean NOONE who played on that offensive line should have even accepted their game checks..forfeit them hoes to hurricane Harvey victims.

Hell even the PS o-linemen we're looking at that game like " I could do better than that ****!"
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I posted the first quote a couple days before the game. I agree with the 2nd quote fully that the OL is why Savage has NO chance of success and with Watson you may get a "DeShauny Football" performance and salvage a win. I don't think Watson has the accuracy or experience yet but it is really hard to evaluate with the pressure.
I also think our receivers are part of the problem. They just aren't that good. My main concern still is the health of Watson.

So what do the Texans do? No reason to tank like the Colts because we don't even have our first round draft choice. Maybe Foreman will jump start the running game because Miller, our prize FA last year sure won't.
Maybe our D will pull us through. After the first game I don't have a lot of confidence in that happening. We won't be creating turnovers with interceptions because our players are never looking for the ball. Now that may be because of man to man coverage and maybe that changes if we go to a zone. I feel our secondary is really weak. Kevin Johnson our 1st rounder from 2015 maybe isn't what the Texans hype machine built him up to be. Where was our 2016 1st rounder the super fast wide receiver who can't catch the ball and can't stay on the field?? And really I think we knew this would be the case before we drafted him. Where was the money to maybe sign Brown even though I don't agree with it , Oh it along with a 2nd round draft choice is gone to rid ourselves of Brock our other super FA. Wow how can a person not see and understand why we have the team we have. Now I do agree coaching is a large factor to success see Belichick but he has Brady.
Ok ranting and rambling about what everybody already knows.
 
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