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Save us Savage!!!!!!!

Number19 said:
Not quite sure about the direction of your point. My comments were directed at the QB situation for 2017, not the "future".

I was, if not the first, then certainly one of the firsts, to start making the point that Savage's contract would be up in 2017 and we had no backup QB under contract for 2018. This was, maybe, a year ago.

Are we in a "win now" year; or do we put a higher priority on prepping Watson for the future? My position is that we win now.
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And my point is, if we were in win now mode, drafting Watson was a terrible choice, considering you had a QB on your roster, who you think can actually win now. You needed help at S, CB, LB and OL yet you trade away the future to get a QB who you plan on sitting for a year or two? I highly doubt that was the thinking process.

We can easily re-sign Savage and Weeden and bring in a young guy in the later rounds to solidify our QBs if we truly believed in Savage. But we don't. The team doesn't, the dans don't, the owner doesn't...no one thinks he can win a super bowl.

Will he? Maybe....anything is possible.
 
amazing80 said:
And my point is, if we were in win now mode, drafting Watson was a terrible choice, considering you had a QB on your roster, who you think can actually win now. You needed help at S, CB, LB and OL yet you trade away the future to get a QB who you plan on sitting for a year or two? I highly doubt that was the thinking process.

We can easily re-sign Savage and Weeden and bring in a young guy in the later rounds to solidify our QBs if we truly believed in Savage. But we don't. The team doesn't, the dans don't, the owner doesn't...no one thinks he can win a super bowl.

Will he? Maybe....anything is possible.
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Even if you are in a "win now" mode, you still have to address the future. Bum Phillips and the 1979-1980 Oilers are a perfect example of "win now and disregard the future" which resulted in a gutted team in the early 80s because Bum added a bunch of old players to win now and neglected young talent for the future. You have to balance the "win now" needs vs the "win in the future" needs. Even if they thought they may have something in Savage, he is unproven and has not demonstrated he can stay on the field - they had to have a plan B (or future plan A). One of the reasons they were so aggressive in getting a QB this year may have been that in the past prospects they targeted were snapped up by other teams and weren't available in the rounds they thought they could select them (I believe this theory has been suggest by a few on the board, TK being one of them).

Even though I have a higher opinion of Savage's potential than many on this board, I don't disagree with the Watson pick or even what they gave up to get him. QB has been a major need on this team and they have to do everything they can to fix it. I was hoping for Mahomes, but I still like the Watson pick. I think he is a special talent - he is a work in progress, but the ceiling is very high, IMO. Sure, I would have liked them to do more to fix the O-line, but it was a weak draft for OL and there tends to always be more holes to plug than draft picks available. I am holding out hope that they can paste together a serviceable OL with the pieces they have and so far, in preseason, it looks like they might be able to - time and the regular season will tell.
 
amazing80 said:
...The team doesn't...the owner doesn't...no one thinks he can win a super bowl.
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You make a good argument, although I may have a different opinion, but it is plain lunacy to say the team, that is, the players themselves, don't believe they are capable of winning the SB.
 
amazing80 said:
Pretty sure everyone is on board with Savage starting week 1 and agree with the bolded. Can he continue to improve and play well? Not sure, and rightfully so at this point.
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That's it exactly.

He looks good but it is preseason. Many point out that he's holding the ball too long but is he holding the ball too long or is he "Standing tall in the pocket fearless and knowing he'll take a hit but waiting for his receiver to get open"? I can make a case for either one.

If you think he's got what it takes to be something you probably think it is the latter. If you think he's a backup at best then he is holding the ball too long. What both should agree on is that with additional live game reps that should begin to drop from 4-5 seconds to 2-3 seconds. He should make decisions faster as he gets more experience. That he's not throwing dangerous passes or doing stupid improv stuff that his body can't make work is good news. He's been taught well and has good habits in that respect but we should be seeing him speed up his reads as he gets more experience. He has just 2 real starts under his belt. That's not an excuse that's just a fact. Like any QB with a lot of theoretical knowledge of the system and very little practical experience he is going to get better if he's capable of it with more reps. Simple as that.

If we don't see him progress much more than he has up until now then we're probably looking at Watson at some point in the season because Savage will have (in this scenario) hit a wall in his development. This is the same with every QB to ever get a shot at starting. All the guys that came out of the gate as rookies either had the game slow down for them or didn't. The game should continue to slow down for him. That's the internal clock we all talk about and either that or the durability question are really the only two things I think Savage has to get past to be a starter in this league. He's got the brain. No question that he's smart enough. He's got the arm. The guy throws bullets with a real NFL arm. He doesn't have that annoying problem that Mallett had with everything coming out at 3,000 fps. Touch does not seem to be an issue for him.

It's all about whether he can play at a high level at NFL speed and whether he can take the punishment.
 
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amazing80 said:
Pretty sure everyone is on board with Savage starting week 1 and agree with the bolded. Can he continue to improve and play well? Not sure, and rightfully so at this point.
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I think just like Watson will improve with more reps, so will Savage. Take the diff between PS game 1 and game 2 as examples of what I'm saying.
So when you ask can Savage continue to improve, I say yes.

Watson will have to go some to overtake him. Savage had the rug yanked from under him last year when they signed Osweiler. I think when he saw Watson drafted (especially considering we moved up to get him) he saw history repeating. I think Savage's mindset, this year, is: this is MY job and I'm playing for my next contract. So the rook is going to have to TAKE this job out of my cold, dead hands.
:D
 
ObsiWan said:
I think just like Watson will improve with more reps, so will Savage. Take the diff between PS game 1 and game 2 as examples of what I'm saying.
So when you ask can Savage continue to improve, I say yes.

Watson will have to go some to overtake him. Savage had the rug yanked from under him last year when they signed Osweiler. I think when he saw Watson drafted (especially considering we moved up to get him) he saw history repeating. I think Savage's mindset, this year, is: this is MY job and I'm playing for my next contract. So the rook is going to have to TAKE this job out of my cold, dead hands.
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And that is exactly the attitude he should have.
 
thunderkyss said:
A bit of an overstatement. I'm not trying to tear Savage down. But he's still holding the ball too long, throwing late, & I think his transition from the play to improvisation is still lacking.

All things we can & should expect to improve over time.

I'd like to see him play with Foreman in the backfield, or more Blue. Lamar Miller ain't doing him any favors.
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qb's holding onto the ball too long has been a constant criticism of every qb OB has tried to trot out there so i'm starting to think it's not all necessarily on the qbs but OB's system requiring guys to hold it a little longer to allow for the downfield route combos on certain plays to uncover. Savage is the only one of all his qb's that I've noticed consistently has tried to throw it past 8 yds.

In that regard, Savage seems like the only 1 of his qbs that has the right combo of skills that is willing to stand/move around in the pocket and hold onto the ball as long as he needs to to let those route combos uncover while also possessing the arm strength to wing it downfield accurately on the run if he had to; all the other's needed to be moved out of the pocket to see (Keenum), couldn't hit the broadside of a barn (Mallet, Oz) or were too chicken **** to sit in the pocket (Hoyer).
 
One other point to keep in mind, three of our starting WR's were out for Saturday's game. We had the new guy, Ellington, making a splash, but Strong was the only "starter" to play.
 
ObsiWan said:
Hell, Ellington isn't getting enough attention. He looks like the next slot guy to me.
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This. This kid looks like he could be a real contributor for us. I'd be willing to let go of Strong to keep this kid on the roster. I wonder what happened with him in SF to where they let him walk.
 
Mr teX said:
This. This kid looks like he could be a real contributor for us. I'd be willing to let go of Strong to keep this kid on the roster. I wonder what happened with him in SF to where they let him walk.
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He had a hamstring tear last year that caused him to miss the entire season. I guess they worried about it.
 


Former Texan Andre Johnson impressed with Tom Savage's accuracy
By Aaron Wilson

Published 2:02 pm, Monday, August 21, 2017


When since retired Pro Bowl wide receiver Andre Johnson was playing his final season for the Texans in 2014, he was struck by quarterback Tom Savage's accuracy during his rookie season.

It's a trait that's been evident from Savage, a 2014 fourth-round draft pick from Pitt, during this preseason since being installed as the Texans' starting quarterback. Midway through the preseason, Savage has completed 85.35 percent of his throws for 167 yards on 17 of 20 passing for 167 yards, one touchdown and no interceptions and a 118.1 passer rating.


"I thought he was very accurate when he first got here with where he placed the ball at," said Johnson while attending the Texans' training camp practice Monday.
 
TheKDog said:
Shots fired.
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Mr teX said:
This. This kid looks like he could be a real contributor for us. I'd be willing to let go of Strong to keep this kid on the roster. I wonder what happened with him in SF to where they let him walk.
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I heard today (and I believe it was mentioned during Saturday nights telecast) Ellington had failed his physical for the Jets after San Fran had waived him. I'd have to look at the injury thread if it was mentioned.
 
banned1976 said:
I heard today (and I believe it was mentioned during Saturday nights telecast) Ellington had failed his physical for the Jets after San Fran had waived him. I'd have to look at the injury thread if it was mentioned.
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He did fail it after being claimed off waivers from the Niners. I speculated after watching him on Saturday that maybe he purposely failed the physical because well the Jets are a complete dumpster fire this season
 
ObsiWan said:
I think just like Watson will improve with more reps, so will Savage. Take the diff between PS game 1 and game 2 as examples of what I'm saying.
So when you ask can Savage continue to improve, I say yes.

Watson will have to go some to overtake him. Savage had the rug yanked from under him last year when they signed Osweiler. I think when he saw Watson drafted (especially considering we moved up to get him) he saw history repeating. I think Savage's mindset, this year, is: this is MY job and I'm playing for my next contract. So the rook is going to have to TAKE this job out of my cold, dead hands.
:D
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The only way this happens,,,,,,,,,,,,,

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amazing80 said:
Pretty sure everyone is on board with Savage starting week 1 and agree with the bolded. Can he continue to improve and play well? Not sure, and rightfully so at this point.
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I would say that every single time I've seen Savage on the field, he's shown improvement in one way or another. He's even gotten better about holding the ball and staring down receivers this preseason than he's been in the past. My only real concern with Savage is him having the most important "ability", availability. I think that's also the Texan's major concern with him and that's totally understandable. He has very good mechanics (imho) and excellent accuracy. Those are two of the hardest issues to fix (again, imho)and issues that tend to return when a QB is under pressure.
I'm not sure that Watson has the accuracy issues that a lot of people on here think he has (67% or so college career) as much as I think the game is a whole lot faster for him than he lets on.
 
amazing80 said:
After watching his first two drives again, two things are extremely apparent. He locks onto guys too much and he is very slow to react...
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Makes me wonder how well does he know the playbook & how well does he read defenses.

Also, the late passes has me questioning how much does he trust/know his receivers. The depth chart/injury situation being what it is, that's understandable.

I liked the kid coming out of Pitt. He's got a good set of tools & what appears to be a good head for the game. I thought he needed to be on the field to learn & get the experience he didn't get in College.

But it's the way the Texans have been reluctant to put him on the field that worries me.
 
thunderkyss said:
Makes me wonder how well does he know the playbook & how well does he read defenses.

Also, the late passes has me questioning how much does he trust/know his receivers. The depth chart/injury situation being what it is, that's understandable.

I liked the kid coming out of Pitt. He's got a good set of tools & what appears to be a good head for the game. I thought he needed to be on the field to learn & get the experience he didn't get in College.

But it's the way the Texans have been reluctant to put him on the field that worries me.
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Schaub was slow at times too. I remember screaming at the TV for him to throw at times.

The reason he hasn't seen the field is that in the first year he was a rookie. Second year he got IR'd in a preseason game when the 3rd and 4th string OL was letting everyone and the kitchen sink through. The IR was a mistake by Rick. The third year Brock came in and was given a long leash of mistakes. When Savage did see the field he wad an improvement. Now they drafted Watson. OB is finally going to give Savage the chance of being the bride instead of the bridesmaid. We will see how long Rick and McNair give him.
 
I rewatched Savage against the Pats and came away even more impressed than I did watching live. I think a big reason he is "holding the ball" is because of his lack of trust in the WRs outside of Strong and the TEs. He is not confident enough in his targets to anticipate where they will be so ends up waiting for the player to come open. It wasn't as bad as the Panthers game because the OL did a very good job of protecting him. Even on the sack he nearly had the ball 4 seconds.

Loved his awareness in the pocket on the 3rd down throw to Stephen Anderson though. That is what a starting NFL QB should be able to do and he did it! We can win with Tom Savage.

We WILL win with Tom Savage!
 
TexansBull said:
Schaub was slow at times too. I remember screaming at the TV for him to throw at times.

The reason he hasn't seen the field is that in the first year he was a rookie. Second year he got IR'd in a preseason game when the 3rd and 4th string OL was letting everyone and the kitchen sink through. The IR was a mistake by Rick. The third year Brock came in and was given a long leash of mistakes. When Savage did see the field he wad an improvement. Now they drafted Watson. OB is finally going to give Savage the chance of being the bride instead of the bridesmaid. We will see how long Rick and McNair give him.
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Rick doesn't put people on IR.
Rick doesn't decide how long a leash is going to be.

I was here. I was here through all that. I know why Savage hasn't been on the field. & I have an idea why the Texans have brought in QBs to start or compete for the starting job whilst Savage sat on a bench.

He couldn't even convince the Texans he'd be a solid backup until year 3. Then they drafted a guy to be the Texans' starting QB.

I'd be shocked if Tom Savage is starting week 1.
 
amazing80 said:
And my point is, if we were in win now mode, drafting Watson was a terrible choice, considering you had a QB on your roster, who you think can actually win now. You needed help at S, CB, LB and OL yet you trade away the future to get a QB who you plan on sitting for a year or two? I highly doubt that was the thinking process.

We can easily re-sign Savage and Weeden and bring in a young guy in the later rounds to solidify our QBs if we truly believed in Savage. But we don't. The team doesn't, the dans don't, the owner doesn't...no one thinks he can win a super bowl.

Will he? Maybe....anything is possible.
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Was talking to Cak last night about drafting Watson being questionable in terms of the direction of the franchise.

OB being in the final year of his contract - Is he going to be back ? If not does the next coaching staff want to go to war with Watson as their QB or would they prefer to draft their own guy who may better fit what they want to do offensively.

And for OB himself , if he's trying to win enough games to get that extension , does drafting a QB who isn't going to play make any sense at all when you have so many other needs ....


Really makes me think that there was significant disagreement on draft night. McNair and Tricky Rick wanting a QB , OB wanting to fix what's broken and run with Savage and an improved roster elsewhere. Obviously Tricky Rick and McNair would win that argument ....
 
Corrosion said:
Was talking to Cak last night about drafting Watson being questionable in terms of the direction of the franchise.

OB being in the final year of his contract - Is he going to be back ? If not does the next coaching staff want to go to war with Watson as their QB or would they prefer to draft their own guy who may better fit what they want to do offensively.

And for OB himself , if he's trying to win enough games to get that extension , does drafting a QB who isn't going to play make any sense at all when you have so many other needs ....


Really makes me think that there was significant disagreement on draft night. McNair and Tricky Rick wanting a QB , OB wanting to fix what's broken and run with Savage and an improved roster elsewhere. Obviously Tricky Rick and McNair would win that argument ....
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Imo O'Brien fell in love with Watson and saw him as a ticket to save his job and prove he's a QB guru after all.

But the offense is a complete mess. He's not coming back next year imo.
 
TheKDog said:
Imo O'Brien fell in love with Watson and saw him as a ticket to save his job and prove he's a QB guru after all.

But the offense is a complete mess. He's not coming back next year imo.
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I'm not buying that - they have said since day one he likely wouldn't start at any point this season. If that's the case .... why would it matter to OB if he isn't coming back.
 
Corrosion said:
Was talking to Cak last night about drafting Watson being questionable in terms of the direction of the franchise.

OB being in the final year of his contract - Is he going to be back ? If not does the next coaching staff want to go to war with Watson as their QB or would they prefer to draft their own guy who may better fit what they want to do offensively.

And for OB himself , if he's trying to win enough games to get that extension , does drafting a QB who isn't going to play make any sense at all when you have so many other needs ....


Really makes me think that there was significant disagreement on draft night. McNair and Tricky Rick wanting a QB , OB wanting to fix what's broken and run with Savage and an improved roster elsewhere. Obviously Tricky Rick and McNair would win that argument ....
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Not sure of the bolded...
you know OBrien under contract through 2018?


Corrosion said:
I'm not buying that - they have said since day one he likely wouldn't start at any point this season. If that's the case .... why would it matter to OB if he isn't coming back.
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I don't remember anyone on Texans saying Watson would not start this season..Can you provide a source?
 
Number19 said:
But what is left unsaid, you are tanking the season and possibly any chance at the playoffs, conceding the conference to Tennessee. Some of us, myself included, believe the team is a SB contender with Savage at QB. Next year is next year.
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Well of course you think Savage can take us to the SB. You've been his day one SUPPORTER.
 
Number19 said:
That's your opinion. There are contrary opinions. I doubt the organization believes as you do.
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I know we are not hanging our hats on what this organization believes. I know you are not niave like that. Again if this ORGANIZATION had that type of faith in Tom Savage, they wouldn't have brought both Mallett and Hoyer in here to compete for the starting QB spot. They wouldn't have acted out of desperation, spending all that money to get Brock. And finally if they believed Savage could win them a SuperBowl, they would've made Steel happy by drafting a freaking stud Left Tackle, instead of jumping up 13 spots to draft Watson.
 
DocBar said:
All Savage has done is complete 85% of his passes for 8.5 YPA, thrown for a TD, no INTs and a 121.35 passer rating. Yes it's preseason, but those are excellent stats.
I seriously doubt that anything short of a Super Bowl winning blowout will convince some of y'all that Savage has the talent to be the starting QB for the Texans. Some are all googley-eyed by college careers (the NFL graveyard is littered with excellent college QB busts) and some are all caught up in draft position.
Every single thing we have all seen shows that Savage is up to the task. Yes, he has some things to work on (holding onto the ball, staring down receivers a bit), every QB not named Tom Brady has something to work on.
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Preseason .

Perform like that in thr regular season when it actually counts.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I know we are not hanging our hats on what this organization believes. I know you are not niave like that. Again if this ORGANIZATION had that type of faith in Tom Savage, they wouldn't have brought both Mallett and Hoyer in here to compete for the starting QB spot. They wouldn't have acted out of desperation, spending all that money to get Brock. And finally if they believed Savage could win them a SuperBowl, they would've made Steel happy by drafting a freaking stud Left Tackle, instead of jumping up 13 spots to draft Watson.
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They gave Brock all that $$$ cause Cousin Gary made him look like a quality NFL QB .... that could contribute on a super bowl contending team.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Because he won't be here next year possibly. If he bounces then we're back to square peg 1. Therefore, let the rookie learn in the field of battle. That iron might pay dividends in year 2 verses year 3.
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First, Savage must start to determine his value to the Texans. Second, if your going to tank the season by allowing Watson to get OJT.....you dang sure don't do it when you have no picks in 2018 to justify the lost season. No one should have to point this out.

In the Texans best interest...I hope Savage has a banner season since there are no early picks in 2018. One less position to worry about so the Texans can try and focus what few picks they do have on solidifying the team needs.
 
amazing80 said:
While I HOPE Savage can lead us there, if the organization actually thought that way, no chance we mortgage our future for Waston this off-season. If we win the Superb Owl because of Savage, even our organization will say we didn't see that coming.
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Yeah, if that happened it would be like watching one of the infamous 3 Stooges pie fights with Bob (Moe), Larry (RS) and Cal (Curly) being on the receiving end....you know what would even be funnier under this scenario is when the three of them have to suck up to Savage's agent and beg for a team friendly deal. Yeah, that's going to turn out great!!! Those 3 knuckleheads better hope they keep O'Brien happy as well b/c that may be the only way they would keep Savage on a less than market value offer. Go Texans!!!
 
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OptimisticTexan said:
First, Savage must start to determine his value to the Texans. Second, if your going to tank the season by allowing Watson to get OJT.....you dang sure don't do it when you have no picks in 2018 to justify the lost season. No one should have to point this out.

In the Texans best interest...I hope Savage has a banner season since there are no early picks in 2018. One less position to worry about so the Texans can try and focus what few picks they do have on solidifying the team needs.
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How in the hell is that tanking the freaking season? That comment makes no earthly sense whatsoever OptimisticTexan. We have the number one defense for starters. Then we have some nice wrapons on offense. All they would do is let him manage the freaking game. There is nothing wrong with that because we have seen that philosophy work for a lot of teams in the NFL for decades. But oh no that skit can't and won't work for the Texans. Interesting to say the least.

Savage doesn't have to start. You want him to start because he's your guy. I been knowing that for several years now. But yes he will be the day one starter. And all good with that. But let's not act like wr haven't seen successful day one rookie quarterback starters. And let's not pretend like they knew their teams offensive playbook either.
 
amazing80 said:
And my point is, if we were in win now mode, drafting Watson was a terrible choice, considering you had a QB on your roster, who you think can actually win now. You needed help at S, CB, LB and OL yet you trade away the future to get a QB who you plan on sitting for a year or two? I highly doubt that was the thinking process.

We can easily re-sign Savage and Weeden and bring in a young guy in the later rounds to solidify our QBs if we truly believed in Savage. But we don't. The team doesn't, the dans don't, the owner doesn't...no one thinks he can win a super bowl.

Will he? Maybe....anything is possible.
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That's what I said from the get go...RS is a poor GM and has made enough bad decisions to have been fired twice with any other organization that held him accountable. The Texans had Savage and Weeden for 2017...they could have signed an inexpensive backup (Keenum) to help keep the competition lively in camp. Texans could have traded back and landed both Robinson, Pocic and still drafted Davenport to re-fortify the OL. Based on the early results, these three could be OL studs for years to come. The OL gets some much needed new blood to protect the QB and better serve the running game.

The crazy thing...if Savage doesn't live up to the expectations after getting the OL corrected, then at minimum, the OL would be much better going into 2018. Don't forget, under this scenario, the team still possesses ALL of their 2018 draft picks which means, getting a QB from the draft would be much easier. Also, the Texans would be in the drivers seat while dictating terms to Savage's agent on getting him re-signed so he can mentor the new starting QB. If the Texans find it necessary to carry a third QB, then Weeden would still be there for the taking.

I would call this...building for a successful future.
 
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thunderkyss said:
Rick doesn't put people on IR.
Rick doesn't decide how long a leash is going to be.

I was here. I was here through all that. I know why Savage hasn't been on the field. & I have an idea why the Texans have brought in QBs to start or compete for the starting job whilst Savage sat on a bench.

He couldn't even convince the Texans he'd be a solid backup until year 3. Then they drafted a guy to be the Texans' starting QB.

I'd be shocked if Tom Savage is starting week 1.
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Still trying to figure out what Rick is responsible for being he has the last say in operations of personnel.

Hoyer/Mallet brought in to compete for starting job year 2 after Mallett got hurt proceeding year competing with Fitz. This was Savages second year. It was a good year for Savages development because of all the mental reps he took and game planning behind the scenes. But he still could have played had he not been IRd.

Watson should take the opportunity to do the same. Sit and learn for a period of time.

The decision to bring in Brock, Savages third, was an emotional and reactive decision by the owner after seeing Hoyer throw 3 interceptions and Kubiak, the coach he fired, win a SB.

Multiple sources had Savage as the better looking QB in training camp against Brock.

Someone had just got paid though.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I know we are not hanging our hats on what this organization believes. I know you are not niave like that. Again if this ORGANIZATION had that type of faith in Tom Savage, they wouldn't have brought both Mallett and Hoyer in here to compete for the starting QB spot. They wouldn't have acted out of desperation, spending all that money to get Brock. And finally if they believed Savage could win them a SuperBowl, they would've made Steel happy by drafting a freaking stud Left Tackle, instead of jumping up 13 spots to draft Watson.
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Brock was more of a Bob McNair decision than collective organization decision.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Well of course you think Savage can take us to the SB. You've been his day one SUPPORTER.
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Not true. Anyone who's been on this forum for any time knows I'm a Weeden supporter. I'm on board with Savage only since it was a given he was the starter.

We were close last year. All we needed was a QB. I'm not the only one who thinks Savage represents that improvement. The team has question marks, but still, with our defense, we are one of the better teams. If we make it to the big game, it will be because of our defense. But Watson? Not this year.
 
Corrosion said:
OB being in the final year of his contract - Is he going to be back ?

Really makes me think that there was significant disagreement on draft night. McNair and Tricky Rick wanting a QB , OB wanting to fix what's broken and run with Savage and an improved roster elsewhere. Obviously Tricky Rick and McNair would win that argument ....
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It doesn't make sense, given what we know.

So, it is possible we don't know what we think we know. Rick & McNair winning the "battle" to draft a QB does not fit with the, "we've never had to go to McNair to break a tie." Thing.

I'm not saying everything is hunky dory on Kirby, only that we really don't know.

I don't want to believe this organization is as dysfunctional as the tea leaves suggest.
 
Corrosion said:
I'll be absolutely shocked if he isn't starting week one (aside from injury) cause Watson clearly isn't ready.


Right now Savage gives this team a better chance to post W's than Watson.
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I don't believe Savage is any more ready, & don't believe he gives us a better chance to win.
 
TexansBull said:
Brock was more of a Bob McNair decision than collective organization decision.
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Bob McNair came out in public and announced, "We need to get a QB." I think that is a fairly good indicator that he applied pressure on Rick and OB to find an answer to the problem from outside the organization, which cut Savage's chances to have a shot at starting year 3 to pretty much nil. Because Savage couldn't stay on the field (be it bad luck or injury prone) and was a "developmental-type" prospect, neither Rick nor OB had enough confidence in him as the answer to argue the point with McNair, IMO
 
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Number19 said:
Not true. Anyone who's been on this forum for any time knows I'm a Weeden supporter. I'm on board with Savage only since it was a given he was the starter.

We were close last year. All we needed was a QB. I'm not the only one who thinks Savage represents that improvement. The team has question marks, but still, with our defense, we are one of the better teams. If we make it to the big game, it will be because of our defense. But Watson? Not this year.
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I like it when the WR1 (Hopkins) is still standing behind Savage...it sets the tone for the rest of the receivers and thus far, Savage has been accurately delivering passes which backs up that endorsement.

I think the fact that Savage has gotten the bulk of the first team snaps in practice and all the first team reps in the PS games will prove invaluable towards his overall growth as QB1. The man never lacked; the intellect to learn O'Brien's system, lacked the talent to throw the ball or the ability to be the leader of this offense, once he was given the chance...what he lacked was the first team reps. I think he has a better ceiling than some may think and in no way is that meant to be a slap on Watson.

Watson has the talent but he needs the time to learn this system and improve on some of the issues in his game...end of world? Heck no, just the beginning of who he might become. To be honest, I liken him to Moon "only" because of his similar skill set and this is the biggest praise I can hand the guy since Moon was my favorite QB in the NFL along with Staubach. But, I'm also hoping Savage delivers big this season since that would bode well for the Texans, O'Brien and the Houston fans.
 
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Next Saturday we should get to see Savage for at least a half. Maybe as much as three quarters and the teams game plan for this one so it's the closest to a real game we'll get.... until we get a real game.
 
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