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Save us Savage!!!!!!!
- Thread starter PockyAF
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Shishkabob
All Pro
Right.
If he achieve that, the Texans would better sign him to a long term contract - providing he also meet the other criteria ( winning enough games, etc.)
Yeah, those stats need to be associated with accumulating wins and not playing catch-up and falling short.
So you're ready to give Savage $19M? Next year's QB tag is going to be a little more.
You ready to give him $15M after one good season?
If Savage has the stats that I noted as my target for a franchise QB, you bet your a$$ I'm willing to tag him for one year.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Nobody is doing anything for another week or so. Camp starts on July 26th.
Oh and they'll be in White Sulphur Springs, WV until after pre-season starts in late August so no popping in on training camp until then.
Number19
Hall of Fame
You'll have to interpret for me what "haul off" means, for this "old" guy. Or is this just some crazy auto correct error which sometimes happens.
didn't make sense to me either... but then again I didn't try real hard
badboy
Hall of Fame
I thought he meant "A less injured Savage placed 1st round draft pick in a fireman's carry and 'hauled him off bench' to the dressing room as the injury cart was already in use." Savage was diagnosed with coma but then returned to field for one play then his coma 'returned'.
I'm rewatching late 2016 for the umpteenth time and I'm still impressed with Savage. He was slow out of the huddle too often and held the ball too long, on occasion but made good decisions a vast majority of the time. Showed good accuracy, arm strength and decision making. A bad OL doomed Savage against Cincinnati.
Number19
Hall of Fame
And reports out of camp say he is getting out of the huddle quicker and is getting the ball out quicker. This is to be expected with repetition and familiarity.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
I hope we have a Drew Brees Philip Rivers situation.
And he protects the ball. That's all we need with our defense
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
A #4 pick and a pro bowl #33. Not likely.
He looked like Osweiler did at the beginning of the season. Too early imo to form an opinion. I'd liked to have seen him play out the rest of the season & into the playoffs to have a good feel for his trajectory.
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TexansBull
Hall of Fame
That's why i said hope. It's pretty obvious we won't.
badboy
Hall of Fame
So would Savage and O'Brien and maybe a fan or two.
yes, because 4 games is so much more to judge by than 2
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Finally, a little information regarding the infamous Savage concussion protocol has been written and it seems awfully unusual for a QB too injured to play for the rest of that game (season) suddenly has all the power and coherence to obliterate a white board due to some kind of frustration....hmmm!
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Somebody above O'Brien's pay grade made that decision.
What do the Texans do if Savage has a 4,000+ yd, 2:1 TD ratio and 64% completions?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
If they're smart, they keep him as the 2018 proven starter. But we're talking about the Texans here and............
Franchise him, make him do it again. Then franchise him again, the way Washington is doing Cousins.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Franchise him and make him do it again.. Aaron Rodgers sat for 3 seasons.
& started Osweiler for 16 games.
Anybody tell you they know what O'Brien is going to do is talking out their arse... I'm fairly certain O'Brien doesn't know what he's going to do.
Yeah. I mean, he benched Hoyer after one half after a long drawn-out training camp competition where he couldn't decide who to start.
Then he finally benched Mallet by using the wind getting knocked out of him as an excuse.
And many point to Fitzpatrick's season as evidence that OBrien is a good QB coach. And yet he was benched for Mallet too.
I think it's safe to say that Mallet is a much worse qb than the other two, but O'Brien saw them up close and still thought otherwise.
Then it took him forever to bench osweiler, then gives him the job back just because savage had a concussion.
I can't trust him when he contradicts the scouts by saying Watson is accurate or he is way ahead of other QBs he's coached.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
He said he's way ahead of other "rookie" QBs he coached..big difference...and how do you know Watson hasn't been accurate? Are you in West Virginia?
And let's be real here.. he was a rookie NFL coach, mistakes were going to be made. Kubiak made errors as well...while not having a winning season until year 4 or making the playoffs until year 6.
O'Brien has been open about the mistakes he's made, but he hasn't been that bad..I also don't understand the hissy fits over most of the QB switches (Didn't agree with the benching of Fitzpatrick, but that's about it). Osweiler, Mallett, and Hoyer were all the same. THEY ALL SUCKED..they just did it in different ways.
Osweiler was inaccurate as hell and had some of the worst mechanics I've ever seen from the position.
Mallett was a immature hot head punk who tried to throw the ball 100 mph on every throw.
Hoyer didn't have a legit arm and played scared as ****.
Point is we weren't winning games because of them..if they didn't shoot a hole in the boat our defense had a chance to carry us to victory. There really is no point in arguing between those three, because non of them were a answer.
Then you had our owner who said we didn't need to draft a QB high and our team didnt need a franchise guy to win a title..opps. so we were just running the "Journey man carousel show". McNair is the one who should be past the "making mistakes" point, he's been here since the beginning. (Rick Smith too)
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I think you have this one backwards - McNair was parroting OB not giving a directive. Before hiring OB McNair said something akin to fixing QB was job 1. Then OB got here with his anti-rookie bias and the line became we don't have to use a high draft pick. 2 years of OB yeoman. And McNair, still acknowledging OB's rookie aversion has Smith sign the top FA. That didn't work and he said f'k it, time to draft a prime QB.
At least that's my surmise.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I think you are confusing the comments. Many were that he was inconsistent rather than inaccurate.
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
Well then it's Rick Smith's job to tell his new head coach "No we're going to draft a QB", but nobody will know exactly how those decisions were truly made. Doesn't matter now..they have clearly pushed their chips in with Watson..all we can do is hope everything works out. I just hope something catastrophic doesn't happen, the wheels fall off, and we finish with a top 5-10 draft pick that we don't own, but that would be so "Texanish" wouldn't it.
Exactly. And Obrien realized it too, falls in love with Watson because he's a winner, and overpays again
badboy
Hall of Fame
How was giving up #25 and about same in 2018 to move up to #12 overpaying? If you think you have a possible franchise QB, you go get him.
I don't have a problem firing Kubiak, however if it were up to me I'd have sided with Kubiak & let Rick walk.
That said, not needing a superstar QB to be a contender most likely came from Kubiak. McNair didn't make that up on his own.
The mistake was thinking O'Brien could do what Kubiak did. Make Chicken salad on the offensive side.
I think O'Brien was able to bring us a capable defensive coaching staff. Kubiak brought eh... but he was able to eventually put together a competent Offensive & Defensive (with a little help from McNair).
I think O'Brien was well on his way to becoming one of the better HC in this league. & he still may be. I'm worried he's working on becoming a fine OC.
I don't know about that. We're talking about a class most described as unremarkable. The guy doing the best out of that class right now was the 4th QB drafted & the one least likely to be drafted by the Texans.
I don't see the point of drafting a 1st/2nd round QB if you're not in love with the ones available.
Gotta know when to hold them, know when to fold them.
Or maybe his GM said, "No, we're drafting a QB."
Carr Bombed
Hall of Fame
You think.. Holy **** look at that smile (seriously, that's one hell of a grin)
By the way, it's Bill who's listing Tom the starter this season, he isn't forcing Watson on the field. Not saying Bill isn't happy with the pick, because we did need a top prospect to develop and insurance incase Tom gets injured, but it certainly doesn't look like Bill was the mastermind behind the pick or he had to twist McNair's arm...certainly not Rick's. When you give up as much as they did and see a smile like that, this was a organization decision, not just "Bill overpaying"..He doesn't control the strings in a move like this.
They tried to take the shortcut route with Osweiler..thought they were getting a former 1st round pick who had been in the league for years and won 5 of 7 starts (including beating the Patriots) and a already developed player and it blew up in their face. Now they're taking the longer approach. It's been 15 years since this team actually had a blue chip prospect that they even tried to develop..it was LONG overdue.
texanhead08
All Pro
If you whiff on a QB that usually gets people fired but since Teflon Ricky is invulnerable I don't know what will happen if this doesn't pan out. The odds of O'Brien ejecting on his own are more likely than Ricky getting fired if Watson doesn't pan out.
I was replying to this...
I don't think O'Brien is against Watson. I'm just saying one minute we want our GM to put his foot down, the next minute we want the HC bagging groceries.
I don't think O'Brien is against Watson. I'm just saying one minute we want our GM to put his foot down, the next minute we want the HC bagging groceries.
Ozzie Newsome wiffed on several before landing Flacco.
Pete Carroll missed on three before finding Russell Wilson.
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