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thunderkyss said:
I'm not the one who brought up that there appears to be a group of people who can't wait for Keenum to be cut, that they would be glad, feel a bit of relief when it does happen.



Since I didn't bring it up & someone else did, that leads me to believe there is a bit of truth to it.



There are people here who don't want Keenum to get another shot because they are afraid he will succeed & they'll have to eat crow.



May not be you, but they're here.
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Or they are afraid he will continue to loose games and generally stink it up, but you could be right. I really think there is more that are delusional enough to think he should be starting though.


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thunderkyss said:
I'm not the one who brought up that there appears to be a group of people who can't wait for Keenum to be cut, that they would be glad, feel a bit of relief when it does happen.

Since I didn't bring it up & someone else did, that leads me to believe there is a bit of truth to it.

There are people here who don't want Keenum to get another shot because they are afraid he will succeed & they'll have to eat crow.

May not be you, but they're here.
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If by people that can't wait for him to be cut so we can get a better player and someone that could actually do something for us, then I guess I fall into that category. I could care less where a guy played college ball and what he did in college. Keenum is not an NFL starter. Had he played ball at Our Sister's Community College of NW Oklahoma, everyone would have been calling for him to get cut last year. So yeah, some of us are tired of the delusional fans out there and want a competent QB out there.
 
PapaL said:
If by people that can't wait for him to be cut so we can get a better player and someone that could actually do something for us, then I guess I fall into that category. I could care less where a guy played college ball and what he did in college. Keenum is not an NFL starter. Had he played ball at Our Sister's Community College of NW Oklahoma, everyone would have been calling for him to get cut last year. So yeah, some of us are tired of the delusional fans out there and want a competent QB out there.
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then you should be demanding Fitzpatrick's head too
 
PapaL said:
When he goes 0-8 and keeps taking 20 yard sacks and not looking off his first read, I sure will be.
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& that's where I'm at.

I saw a lot from Keenum to get excited about, but it didn't appear that he adjusted to the game in those 8 games. & my patience wore thin.

I don't think he deserves another shot, but he got it anyway.

Last year in the preseason we had a bunch of guys saying he did better than Tj, I didn't agree. He was definitely flashy, but that was because he basically ignored the play book & played sandlot football.

This year, he doesn't look as flashy, I think because he's playing within a system & doing what he's supposed to do.

Right now, what Fitzpatrick does better than Case is that he transitions from the play-book to the sandlot a lot quicker & more decisively... because you really need both. Work the play until the play don't work.

It's just the preseason, but I haven't seen Case take a 20 yard sack. He got close, but he managed to get rid of the ball safely & that's good. A step in the right direction.

So... I don't think he'll be taking any 20 yard sacks. & with the running game we've shown in the preseason (better than what we had for those 8 games) I don't think Case is going to go 0-8.

& for me, I'd have much rather they traded Case instead of Tj, but this is where we are & I prefer Case to Fitzpatrick..... Case could have gone to Our Sister's Community College of NW Oklahoma for all I care, as long as he's not Fitzpatrick or Schaub.
 
thunderkyss said:
& that's where I'm at.

I saw a lot from Keenum to get excited about, but it didn't appear that he adjusted to the game in those 8 games. & my patience wore thin.

I don't think he deserves another shot, but he got it anyway.

Last year in the preseason we had a bunch of guys saying he did better than Tj, I didn't agree. He was definitely flashy, but that was because he basically ignored the play book & played sandlot football.

This year, he doesn't look as flashy, I think because he's playing within a system & doing what he's supposed to do.

Right now, what Fitzpatrick does better than Case is that he transitions from the play-book to the sandlot a lot quicker & more decisively... because you really need both. Work the play until the play don't work.

It's just the preseason, but I haven't seen Case take a 20 yard sack. He got close, but he managed to get rid of the ball safely & that's good. A step in the right direction.

So... I don't think he'll be taking any 20 yard sacks. & with the running game we've shown in the preseason (better than what we had for those 8 games) I don't think Case is going to go 0-8.

& for me, I'd have much rather they traded Case instead of Tj, but this is where we are & I prefer Case to Fitzpatrick..... Case could have gone to Our Sister's Community College of NW Oklahoma for all I care, as long as he's not Fitzpatrick or Schaub.
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I'd rather give the new guy with the change of scenery a chance. If he stinks it up, we move on to the next guy but I fully expect Savage to start at some point this season; regardless of who is currently #1.
 
If they want to keep Keenum around and try to coach him up, ok...fine...I'd prefer he be on the practice squad, but if they think he would get claimed...whatever...

But as of right now, I want Savage to be next in line. He was OB's pick. He looks like he's another version of Fitzpatrick...except not as good...
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
If they want to keep Keenum around and try to coach him up, ok...fine...I'd prefer he be on the practice squad, but if they think he would get claimed...whatever...

But as of right now, I want Savage to be next in line. He was OB's pick. He looks like he's another version of Fitzpatrick...except not as good...
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He's not PS eligible. All or nothing.
 
Rick Smith got a 6th for Matt Schaub, Case was arguably better than Matt last season plus heck of a lot cheaper maybe Rick is just waiting to seize another opportunity :truck:
 
I'm not going to throw a fit if Keenum makes the team, because the difference between Keenum and some back up's back up as a different position is almost certainly marginal.

But...he doesn't belong on this team. He regressed last year and has showed nothing this offseason to make me think any better of him. I dn't know how anyone can truly feel comfortable with him coming into the game. This Texans team is already going to be a very low gear offense I'm afraid. Turn overs and taking 20 yard sacks are going to take winning from a dicey proposition to hopeless...

He should only make the squad if NO ONE better gets cut from their team.
 
Savage showed potential....but, let's be honest here, he was playing against a lot of marginal bench players that might not even be on an NFL roster after today.

ALL he showed was potential and what may be possible in the future. That does not translate to NFL-ready and I have little doubt that he'd look like a rookie that is in way over his head if he was facing first team defenses for an entire game.
 
The Drifter and DB sum it up really nice for me. Case is a borderline roster guy to me in general. He's at best a #3 guy on most teams and on others, he is a cut. We've discussed his issues ad nauseum but he's basically garbage as a starting NFL QB. He would easily be #32 out of 32 starting QB's.

I do not see him as a regular starter again- ever.

Savage looked really good on that last drive. He looks to have some real upside but he's still a little raw for sure. He is NOT ready. This notion that Savage is starting anytime soon is pie in the sky to me. Will he start this year? Doubt he will, but if he does, it's because we are sitting at 3-9 and OB wants to take a good look at him in the last quarter of the year. If we are fielding a decent and competitive team, injury is the only way he gets significant PT IMHO.
 
Porky said:
The Drifter and DB sum it up really nice for me. Case is a borderline roster guy to me in general. He's at best a #3 guy on most teams and on others, he is a cut. We've discussed his issues ad nauseum but he's basically garbage as a starting NFL QB. He would easily be #32 out of 32 starting QB's.

I do not see him as a regular starter again- ever.

Savage looked really good on that last drive. He looks to have some real upside but he's still a little raw for sure. He is NOT ready. This notion that Savage is starting anytime soon is pie in the sky to me. Will he start this year? Doubt he will, but if he does, it's because we are sitting at 3-9 and OB wants to take a good look at him in the last quarter of the year. If we are fielding a decent and competitive team, injury is the only way he gets significant PT IMHO.
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aka Tom Brady 2001. Super Bowl incoming!
 
I agree that Savage needs more time before he deserves a look at #1. But after reviewing his tape in the last drive, I was impressed not only with the speed of the ball, but his accuracy in hitting the WRs in just the right spot with enough pace to get some YAC.

The TD toss to Ryan Griffin was the prettiest ball I've seen throughout the preseason from any QB. Out of range of the front line LBs, with enough pace and accuracy for Griffin to immediately turn up the field.

I did see little inconsistencies with footwork on the running plays, and he does lock on to his receiver a little bit before delivering the pass. I'm hoping that with more reps he'll learn to disguise his intentions a bit better.

I have to say I'm ready to see him start in ps#4. The QB situation is a bit precarious from 2014-2015. You really want to see him start some games in the second half of the season, so that you have some data before the 2015 draft. On the flip side, our schedule is so weak that we may still be in the playoff chase around the time. A 7-9 season is where we really don't want to live, but it seems like a Fitz team may get us there. :roast:
 
Porky said:
The Drifter and DB sum it up really nice for me. Case is a borderline roster guy to me in general. He's at best a #3 guy on most teams and on others, he is a cut. We've discussed his issues ad nauseum but he's basically garbage as a starting NFL QB. He would easily be #32 out of 32 starting QB's.

I do not see him as a regular starter again- ever.
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Under normal circumstances, I'd agree with you. But we've dealt ourselves a hand where Fitzpatrick & Keenum are the high cards.

What most guys seem to feel towards Keenum, I feel towards Fitzpatrick. Fitzpatrick signed a contract to be the Titans back-up QB. A two year deal signed in 2013... helloooo, this is supposed to be the second year of that deal, but they decided to cut him.

It's not like they've got Russell Wilson over there.

He wasn't good enough to be the back up in Buffalo (ok, so maybe he was getting paid too much to be the back up in Buffalo) & he wasn't good enough to be the back up in Tennessee... but he's our starter??

Sorry, I just don't like it.
 
thunderkyss said:
Under normal circumstances, I'd agree with you. But we've dealt ourselves a hand where Fitzpatrick & Keenum are the high cards.

What most guys seem to feel towards Keenum, I feel towards Fitzpatrick. Fitzpatrick signed a contract to be the Titans back-up QB. A two year deal signed in 2013... helloooo, this is supposed to be the second year of that deal, but they decided to cut him.

It's not like they've got Russell Wilson over there.

He wasn't good enough to be the back up in Buffalo (ok, so maybe he was getting paid too much to be the back up in Buffalo) & he wasn't good enough to be the back up in Tennessee... but he's our starter??

Sorry, I just don't like it.
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I think the only person who may like it would be his wife.
 
thunderkyss said:
He wasn't good enough to be the back up in Buffalo (ok, so maybe he was getting paid too much to be the back up in Buffalo) & he wasn't good enough to be the back up in Tennessee... but he's our starter??

Sorry, I just don't like it.
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I saw on one board where some Buffalo fans were wishing they had him back because as bad as he is, he's better than EJ Manuel. Those fans were pizzed because the coach was saying their BACKUP QB situation was unacceptable and the fans were saying their WHOLE QB situation was unacceptable.
 
thunderkyss said:
Under normal circumstances, I'd agree with you. But we've dealt ourselves a hand where Fitzpatrick & Keenum are the high cards.

What most guys seem to feel towards Keenum, I feel towards Fitzpatrick. Fitzpatrick signed a contract to be the Titans back-up QB. A two year deal signed in 2013... helloooo, this is supposed to be the second year of that deal, but they decided to cut him.

It's not like they've got Russell Wilson over there.

He wasn't good enough to be the back up in Buffalo (ok, so maybe he was getting paid too much to be the back up in Buffalo) & he wasn't good enough to be the back up in Tennessee... but he's our starter??

Sorry, I just don't like it.
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What is this blasphemy!?! You dare doubt the talent and majesty that is Fitzmagic?

GUARDS!!!!!
 
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The Pencil Neck said:
I believe he still has some eligibility. I'm not sure where I read that but I did. It could be wrong.
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The NFL and NFLPA agreed to bump up the number of folks on the P/S from 8 to 10. They also changed a couple of other practice squad rules too....
NFL PRACTICE SQUADS EXPAND TO 10 PLAYERS​
The NFL and the NFL Players Association have agreed to expand NFL Practice Squads for the 2014 and 2015 seasons. Absent an extension of the agreement, the current rules will be reinstated beginning with the 2016 season.
Under the agreement, 2014 and 2015 Practice Squads will increase from the current maximum of eight players to 10 players.

In addition, the criteria for Practice Squad eligibility has been expanded in two respects.
First, a player must have a minimum of six games – up from the current three games – on a Practice Squad in order for that season to count as one of the player’s three permissible seasons of Practice Squad service.

Second, each club will be permitted to sign a maximum of two Practice Squad players who have earned no more than two accrued seasons of free agency credit. Absent this exception, a player who has earned one or more accrued seasons would not be eligible for a Practice Squad unless the player spent fewer than nine games on a club’s 46-player active list in each of his accrued seasons.
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I believe the bolded means if a guy was on the active roster for more than 6 games (it used to be 3 games) in a given season he gets a F/A year credit.
 
thunderkyss said:
He wasn't good enough to be the back up in Buffalo (ok, so maybe he was getting paid too much to be the back up in Buffalo) & he wasn't good enough to be the back up in Tennessee... but he's our starter??

Sorry, I just don't like it.
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Fitzpatrick is a stop gap, I don't think anybody here is arguing for him to be enshrined as a franchise QB for the Texans.
 
ObsiWan said:
The NFL and NFLPA agreed to bump up the number of folks on the P/S from 8 to 10. They also changed a couple of other practice squad rules too....
I believe the bolded means if a guy was on the active roster for more than 6 games (it used to be 3 games) in a given season he gets a F/A year credit.
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msr
 
Double Barrel said:
Savage showed potential....but, let's be honest here, he was playing against a lot of marginal bench players that might not even be on an NFL roster after today.

ALL he showed was potential and what may be possible in the future. That does not translate to NFL-ready and I have little doubt that he'd look like a rookie that is in way over his head if he was facing first team defenses for an entire game.
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I think that final drive was pretty significant. He showed confidence and control under a ticking clock, he made a strong and accurate throw into a tight window, he made good reads with few (if any) mistakes, and he won the game on a two point conversation under pressure. Maybe the coaches already knew he could do that, but it was nice for fans to see his arm on display for the first time.
 
Brisco_County said:
I think that final drive was pretty significant. He showed confidence and control under a ticking clock, he made a strong and accurate throw into a tight window, he made good reads with few (if any) mistakes, and he won the game on a two point conversation under pressure. Maybe the coaches already knew he could do that, but it was nice for fans to see his arm on display for the first time.
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Let's not get carried away.

Significant is defined "sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention".

I'm not sure what you saw, but like I said, I saw a rookie QB playing against backups and scrubs and showed potential.

If Savage did that against a starting NFL defense, then I'd be right there with you.

Just remember what his boss said: "Savage, as good as he looked, shouldn’t yet be booking a plane ticket to Hawaii for the Pro Bowl.” - Coach O'Brien
 
Actually, here is O'Brien's full statement: "It doesn't surprise me because in the pre-draft process, when we met with him, we talked to him a lot. We knew that there was a good chance there that he was going to be able to come in here and learn because he was a bright guy. But again now, let's be real clear here now, he's got a long way to go. We're not headed for Hawaii and the Pro Bowl now. We're talking about battling for the number two job."

I was happy to see that at the end of the game, as well, just as a fan. However, objective analysis is big picture and everything within that picture.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't dislike case, and I disagree with your assessment anyways.
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Double Barrel said:
Actually, here is O'Brien's full statement: "It doesn't surprise me because in the pre-draft process, when we met with him, we talked to him a lot. We knew that there was a good chance there that he was going to be able to come in here and learn because he was a bright guy. But again now, let's be real clear here now, he's got a long way to go. We're not headed for Hawaii and the Pro Bowl now. We're talking about battling for the number two job."

I was happy to see that at the end of the game, as well, just as a fan. However, objective analysis is big picture and everything within that picture.
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My thoughts, exactly. We're watching a progression, not a finished product. We might as well start a poll for the top 3rd string QB's in the league. TS looked good on "The Drive", but c'mon.
 
Double Barrel said:
If Savage did that against a starting NFL defense, then I'd be right there with you.
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And even then, you don't really know much. I'm sure everyone remembers Keenum's hot start against real NFL defenses. 7 TD, no picks in his 1st 3 games. Now, after 5 more games he's garbage. Or so I'm told. So yeah, let's give Savage a little more than one DRIVE in a pre-season game against a defense full of soon to be cut players on it.
 
Double Barrel said:
Let's not get carried away.

Significant is defined "sufficiently great or important to be worthy of attention".

I'm not sure what you saw, but like I said, I saw a rookie QB playing against backups and scrubs and showed potential.

If Savage did that against a starting NFL defense, then I'd be right there with you.

Just remember what his boss said: "Savage, as good as he looked, shouldn’t yet be booking a plane ticket to Hawaii for the Pro Bowl.” - Coach O'Brien
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I should've said significant in relation to his development. It was night and day compared to what we saw from him before. He went from being a total question mark with a good arm to someone who proved that he's worth investing in.
 
Speedy said:
And even then, you don't really know much. I'm sure everyone remembers Keenum's hot start against real NFL defenses. 7 TD, no picks in his 1st 3 games. Now, after 5 more games he's garbage. Or so I'm told. So yeah, let's give Savage a little more than one DRIVE in a pre-season game against a defense full of soon to be cut players on it.
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Very good point. Opposing DC's will be game-planning against a particular QB and each of the Texans 3 QB's have different strong points. I highly doubt the Redskins do any game-planning for TS.
Good post.
 
Speedy said:
And even then, you don't really know much. I'm sure everyone remembers Keenum's hot start against real NFL defenses. 7 TD, no picks in his 1st 3 games. Now, after 5 more games he's garbage. Or so I'm told. So yeah, let's give Savage a little more than one DRIVE in a pre-season game against a defense full of soon to be cut players on it.
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yep. It is always good to temper expectations from pre-season performances. Pre-season is like the smell of a cooking hamburger, but it's not the actual hamburger. Yeah, silly metaphor, but I always try to keep pre-season in perspective for what it really is: glorified practices.

My favorite examples were when the Lions went 0-16, they had a 4-0 pre-season. And when the Colts won the Super Bowl, they were 1-3 in the pre-season, iirc.

Brisco_County said:
I should've said significant in relation to his development. It was night and day compared to what we saw from him before. He went from being a total question mark with a good arm to someone who proved that he's worth investing in.
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I get what you're saying, man. Definitely within the context of Savage's development, it was a good sign to see him make reads and solid throws under pressure. We caught a glimpse of what O'Brien probably sees in him.

I hope it is a sign of things to come, but I will be a believer when it actually happens. ;)
 
Out of spotlight, Savage learning to be pro QB
“Luckily for me, my college path actually prepped me for this a little bit,” Savage said on Wednesday. “I went a thousand days without even being eligible to play. It’s not the same feel obviously because at any moment, I can be the guy. Each week, I kind of just prep like I’m the starter and that’s kind of what I did at the two schools I had to sit out at and that’s what I’m doing here. Really, I’m just picking the older guys' brains and soaking up as much as I can.”
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It’s clichéd but true: the rookie gets to NRG Stadium early and he stays late. He arrives at 5:30 every morning, stays late to watch film and comes in on the off days to throw to live targets.
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Savage frequently picks the brain of Fitzpatrick, a 10-year veteran. And he is certainly putting in the extra work. He stays late in the day to study film with Fitzpatrick often.

And on his off days, Savage says he “bothers” some of his fellow young teammates to go to the facility with him and catch balls. DeVier Posey and Travis Labhart are two guys who regularly accompany him as he racks up overtime hours.

“I think that, as a first-year quarterback, it’s not just the hours that we are required to be here in the building,” quarterbacks coach George Godsey said. “You have to put your time in and you really have to study other tape too. You have to study other quarterbacks, other defenses and each day, you know, you just try to crawl your way up the ladder and find yourself in the position where things happen a lot quicker for you back there because the picture changes drastically when the ball is snapped.”
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During the week, he’ll do his best to mimic longtime Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger during practice with the scout team.
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Just like this week, many of Savage’s early-season reps in practice have come as a member of the scout team, which prepares the Texans’ defense for that week’s opponent. It’s a tough task, mimicking another offense, for a guy who is still learning his own system and scheme, but quarterbacks coach Godsey said it’s a part of his development.
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Playoffs said:
Out of spotlight, Savage learning to be pro QB
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I think this is gonna be our guy...I see all the same things in how he is being brought along and progressing that i saw in Aaron Rodgers years ago. People really underestimate how much confidence comes with comfortability and knowing what you're doing. Just look at the progress Keenum made in 1 year of sitting it out and learning how to be a pro...& he didn't have the tools Savage does.

I think BoB's plan is to just get through this season as best he can with Fitz..maybe Mallett the latter part of the season and then next year He'll let Mallett and Savage battle it out for the #1 spot.
 
A thread asking a late round rookie to save this team??? This thread shouldn't have gotten more than 6 posts, much less 8 pages or whatever. Lol!

Can't believe you guys took the bait.
 
Mr teX said:
I think this is gonna be our guy...I see all the same things in how he is being brought along and progressing that i saw in Aaron Rodgers years ago. People really underestimate how much confidence comes with comfortability and knowing what you're doing. Just look at the progress Keenum made in 1 year of sitting it out and learning how to be a pro...& he didn't have the tools Savage does.

I think BoB's plan is to just get through this season as best he can with Fitz..maybe Mallett the latter part of the season and then next year He'll let Mallett and Savage battle it out for the #1 spot.
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It may be quite a leap thinking Mallett will still be here. Free agency is calling.
 
I think this is gonna be our guy...I see all the same things in how he is being brought along and progressing that i saw in Aaron Rodgers years ago. People really underestimate how much confidence comes with comfortability and knowing what you're doing. Just look at the progress Keenum made in 1 year of sitting it out and learning how to be a pro...& he didn't have the tools Savage does.

I think BoB's plan is to just get through this season as best he can with Fitz..maybe Mallett the latter part of the season and then next year He'll let Mallett and Savage battle it out for the #1 spot.
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"comfortability"? comfortableness? Why not just say comfort?
 
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