Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I do not expect to see him the rest of the year. Thad Lewis will start and I honestly believe Keenum will be back until the end of the year. He has at least gotten some preseason reps in this offense.
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Save us Savage!!!!!!!
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I do not expect to see him the rest of the year. Thad Lewis will start and I honestly believe Keenum will be back until the end of the year. He has at least gotten some preseason reps in this offense.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I thought he looked awful!
I'm not worried, though... It is such a complex offense... each week the offensive game plan is designed quite differently depending on the opponent and our personnel situation. Savage had no chance to step in the middle of this game and attempt to execute the plan designed for Fitzpatrick, particularly without practice reps.
I'm excited to see him prepared and confident to execute a plan that has been well rehearsed all week and a plan designed around his strengths and comfort. We should see that next week. All we learned today, IMO, is that Savage is multiple years away from being able to manage O'Brien's offense the way a veteran like Fitzpatrick can... That doesn't mean he can't win or that he can't put up good numbers- only that the offensive plan will be restricted until/if he matures/learns.
TEXANRED
Texan-American
I'm waiting........
Multiple years? Are we back on the Kubiak 5 year (make that 6 year) plan? Savage is 25 years old. He's not going to get multiple years. He'll get OTAs and a training camp. If he's going to make it, he will have to do it next season.
Managing O'Brien's offense the way Fitzpatrick can? You're not exactly setting the bar real high, anyway.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I am not suggesting the Texans hand Savage the job and wait for him to develop.
Also, I am not comparing savage's ability to produce with fitzaptrick's production... I was saying that fitzaptrick's experience enables OBrien to utilize more of his offensive design.
Wolf
100% Texan
It worries me when things are said that o'briens offense is complicated and it takes time to learn the new system.
We see teams around the league change coaches and have success.granted o'brien has done pretty darn good with basically the same team as last year being we really haven't seen our rookies make impacts.
Guess I am worried that this team has a lot more holes than I want to admit. Without JJ Watt having a MVP type season. How good would this team be without him? What would our record be?
We better start hitting home runs with our drafting
My other random thought is if it takes a couple of years to develop a QB that can run this offense. Hell by that time some key players will be gone. Like foster,AJ,etc etc
We see teams around the league change coaches and have success.granted o'brien has done pretty darn good with basically the same team as last year being we really haven't seen our rookies make impacts.
Guess I am worried that this team has a lot more holes than I want to admit. Without JJ Watt having a MVP type season. How good would this team be without him? What would our record be?
We better start hitting home runs with our drafting
My other random thought is if it takes a couple of years to develop a QB that can run this offense. Hell by that time some key players will be gone. Like foster,AJ,etc etc
PapaL
Loose Screw
To me Savage started awful but settled in some and played way better. It's obvious that everything is happening too fast right now. Doesn't help that other players on offense were messing up and of course AJ has scrambled brains this week. I'm hopeful that with a week of practice he looks better next week and the subsequent week. Give us something to build on for next year.
I think Mallett ran the offense more like O'Brien would like to see it. And that was with a torn pec.
I'm not ready to judge Savage after a couple of preseason games and an emergency relief appearance. I hope he can get a couple of games under his belt going into the offseason. Right now, he gets an incomplete. But from what I've seen, there's no way the Texans can count on Savage being the man next season. They've got to do something (spend a draft pick and or sign a free agent) at QB.
And while I admire Fitz, he can't be the starter next season. He reverted right back to where he was before getting benched. It should be noted that Savage led the offense on their only scoring drive of the game.
I'm not sure if I see our future QB on the roster, either, but I'd bank that all three (Fitz, Mallet, Savage) + 1 will be in training camp next year.
Savage looked overwhelmed out there today. His 1000+ days since playing and lack of basic fundamentals just tells me that he probably should have been a practice squad player this year. At least Keenum could handle a snap and handoff.
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
ugh
I liked the draft ok as a whole, but the injury history of clowney and taking savage instead of other qb's just....ugh...
I hope those picks prove their worth or close to it and I hope the guys I actually liked do the same. What a terrible first year showing for this class.
I liked the draft ok as a whole, but the injury history of clowney and taking savage instead of other qb's just....ugh...
I hope those picks prove their worth or close to it and I hope the guys I actually liked do the same. What a terrible first year showing for this class.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Disregard..........found out it was opposite leg.
As I said before......didn't see the end of the game or commentary..........In that case, better scenario.............most likely PCL tear.........like one of Aj's old injuries.
As I said before......didn't see the end of the game or commentary..........In that case, better scenario.............most likely PCL tear.........like one of Aj's old injuries.
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
He always does that crap
What's worse is he is ALWAYS right, damn we are cursed as a football town.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Cheer up, DX-TEX........I thought it was the other leg, if it is the left that was injured, it is likely a PCL tear hopefully without additional significant damage, the prognosis is better than an ACL.
EDIT: like one of AJ's old injuries.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
You're not helping.....:mariopalm:
JCTexan
Hall of Fame
Savage basically was. He was inactive every week until Mallett got hurt. O'Brien didn't want to risk losing a 4th round QB he was developing. That was the only reason he wasn't on the practice squad. This was Savage's red shirt year.. Well until the #1 and #2 QB's got hurt anyway.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
I was at that game in Dallas with my Packers friends. Fans from both sides were impressed with Rodgers that night, but Green Bay ended up losing 37-27. Ryan Grant was hot that year, and he was a big factor in the offense. Rodgers completed 18 for 201 and a TD. He was in the third year of his development.
I think it's unfair to say Savage looked awful -- He made some impressive throws, some of which were dead accurate down field. The way he stepped up in the pocket and hit his man was promising for a rookie. We can call him raw, out of synch, and inexperienced, but not awful.
O'Brien's take is the same. Anyone can say O'Brien's towing the company line, but I think he's being as transparent and candid as he usually is.
Link
There are also videos on that page of the long catches by Hopkins and Posey.
It doesn't feel right to define his performance by a few beginner's miscues. He proved by the 4th quarter that he could be effective and adjust to a difficult situation. It should be fun watching him develop.
It's not Pollyanna to say that the QB situation seems positive next season. Mallet and Savage each have the talent to elevate each other through competition for the starting role. Plus, the receivers will have a better understanding of the system. We have a good football team if we can protect our quarterback.
Nitrofish
Let The Big Fish Eat!
"Nick Cage" looked better out there than "Johnny Foosball" looked in his first game, and Manziel had all week to prepare. Can't hold those miscues against him. He did look better after the initial jitters were gone. Lot's of BS calls, or rather, no calls in this game. Watt cannot get a holding call to save his life.
Hope Savage is ok, and can play. Keenum getting brought back is not on my list of things I wanted to see, but what are you going to do in a situation like this?
Hope Savage is ok, and can play. Keenum getting brought back is not on my list of things I wanted to see, but what are you going to do in a situation like this?
EllisUnit
Vote RED!!!
He's a Doctor what do you expect.
Sir i have good news for you, you now have 3 weeks to live other than the original 2 weeks to live that we told you earlier....
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I could have gone into differential diagnoses in more "complete"/"depressing" detail and listed ACL as a lesser but still possible scenario......and that even if it is a severe tear of the PCL, the MCL and LCL (and meniscus and articular cartilage) could still be involved....................but I didn't........He's a Doctor what do you expect.
Sir i have good news for you, you now have 3 weeks to live other than the original 2 weeks to live that we told you earlier....
We should get some better insight into Savage's injury than I can offer now...........after the MRI...........like, "It's not 'life-treatening'.........at least not at this time..........He's working hard to get back on the field for next Sunday's game........that's what we expect.......but if status turns to 'life-threatening', he'll have to be listed as 'day-to-day.'............
Some people remember it differently. In 2005, he threw one pass against New Orleans in week 5. I'm referring to the week 15 throttling by the Baltimore Ravens where he threw the ball 15 times.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The MRI should be performed performed today and the results known shortly thereafter (also today)..........(what we are told about it?.........see my previous post)
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Yup, when a guy goes down and a young player comes in with no real time with the starters, you cannot expect much.
The issue we have going forward is Tom is hurt and may not play. We cannot evaluate him even a little bit. Same thing with Mallett. They got hurt so quickly that any chance of evaluating them for next season is gone.
My thoughts exactly.
That's the way I saw it as well. To me, it looked like the Colts wanted to rattle the young man with sell-out blitzes & the like, but while they did get to him a few times, he still stood tall & delivered some good throws.
I was also impressed that he had the presence of mind to throw away a couple of balls instead of taking chances that could have ended badly. We didn't move the ball, but I think it's promising when a strong armed QB throws the ball away to live to play another down. Normally, when the game is on the line like it was, I'd rather he take that chance, but since he was thrown in the way he was, I'll give him a pass.
Just to be clear, the 1000+ days was between his sophomore & his fifth year senior season. He played out his fifth year senior season. Between his senior season & the beginning of the NFL season, was no different for Savage than any of the other rookie QBs.
The significance of those 1000+ days was that the other QBs got to play through that time to get better. Savage didn't, but he got better anyway. His senior numbers look pretty good regardless.
2,900 yards 61% completion 7.6 ypa 138 passer rating.
My thinking is that if he got to play as a sophomore & a junior, he'd be even better. He'd have led Pitt or Rutgers to more victories & he'd have been that prototypical QB everyone was looking for at the top of the draft.
He's a "project" because he doesn't have the actual game experience you'd want from a senior, four years of production. Unlike Manziel, Carr, & Bortles, Savage ran a pro system, primarily from under center. He's a classic drop back passer.
Draft a fourth round quarterback:
Year 1 - Spend year on practice squad
Year 2 - Sit behind a placeholder (sorry, "game manager")
Year 3 - Struggle through first season starting
Year 4 - Find out if player is the QB of the future
Mallett better prove to be the franchise quarterback next year. If he doesn't and the Texans don't change their strategy for finding quarterbacks, we fans are in for much of the same over the next few years.
Which is better than what the Jags, Titans, & Jets have been doing.
If being a better organization than the Titans and Jags is your measure of success, then you should be very, very happy with the Texans. Now I understand why they are meeting your expectations in their pursuit of a quarterback.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
I agree. Although, I'm not even sure I'd keep Fitz around. Unless, of course, we roll with status quo like we used to.
Personally, I think we should do what we have to do to land Mariota. We just need to pray the Jags or the Raiders land the #1 over all for the possibility of a trade. If the Jets or titans have the 1-1 we're screwed. Especially if the titans land him. We'd be played against Luck, Bortles and Mariota for years to come while we're rolling out Fitz's and Malletts
I'm happy that we aren't wasting out time trying to train a talented QB on a bad team. Even if we find the next Phillip Rivers, we won't be doing any better than the Titans, Jets, & Jags.
I like what San Francisco & Seattle did much better. Build a good team & get someone competent to play QB. If he turns out to be special, he'll be more likely to reach his potential on those teams than the Redskins.
IMO, you're either teaching 53 guys how to win games, or your teaching your QB how to play the game. Drafting a guy in the 1st round puts you in the latter group more times than not & it usually doesn't work. Didn't work for Bradford, a very good QB prospect, or Stafford (unless you've got six season to wait for a winning record), & it's been so-so with the Atlanta Falcons who are still trying to put a team around Matt Ryan.
You act like highly rated first round quarterbacks can be a good thing.
HOU-TEX
Ah, Football!
It'll either set us back a couple few years (RGIII). Or become our franchise QB we've never had.
I wasn't willing to take that chance with last years QB class. I think Mariota is the only one worthy of a #1 this year
What does "set us back a few years" mean in context of the Texans anyway? That they hover around .500? That they don't slog along the right track until JJ's best years are behind him? It's not like non-QBs picked in the first round by the Texans or anyone else are guaranteed impact players anyway.
I just struggle to see the prohibitive risk of drafting a blue chip quarterback vs. taking flyers on later round talent. The Texans have been traveling that road for quite some time.
How do you define blue chip?
Take away Mariota's ability to run with the football, do you still think he's a blue chiper?
I don't.
If there was a Ben Roethlisberger, Matt Ryan, or Phillip Rivers in this draft, I'd be with you, but I don't see it & unless Winston/Mariota falls below 20, I wouldn't touch them.
I certainly do not think yesterday was any way to define Savage. He was thrown to the wolves. He started to look like he was less scared by the 4th, and the kid has a strong arm on him. He'll be around for a couple more years and I'm sure we'll get a chance to see more of him at some point.
ahhh, I gotcha'. I do not know anything about this kid and heard the 1000 days thing on the post-game.
I think Fitz is here next year as a backup. O'Brien has said nothing but good things about his leadership qualities and willingness to teach this system. I would honestly be surprised if he was not here as a backup next season, especially since he's signed for another year and comes fairly cheap. And all things considered, he played better this season than I expected him to play.
I do not think the Texans draft a QB high. I think it is not O'Brien's philosophy unless it is a QB that possesses his three priority traits in spades. And from what I understand, there is not a highly ranked QB in next year's draft that fits that description.
I think the Texans roll into camp expecting Mallett to earn the job, with Fitz as backup and Savage still in development. I think there will other arms in camp, but my gut feeling is that this staff is looking at Mallett.
I would rather have Fitz as qb coach next year while giving Mallett, Savage and a rookie qb a look. Don't get me wrong, he did better than what I expected, but don't know if I can go through another season with him as a qb.
Granted, I didn't see Fitz as the starter here to begin with, but I think we're in a cat is out of the bag type situation with Savage & see no reason to bring Fitz back next year.
Savage is the back-up, learning how to prepare for the game & save for a few snaps here & there, he's preparing just like the starter is. It wouldn't make sense, imo, to demote him & have him running the scout team again.
It would make even less sense to have Fitz run the scout team.
There aren't enough snaps during the week for three QBs... we saw that in training camp. So I don't see us having three QBs plus a guy to run the scout team.
If we can't sign Mallett, Fitz will be the starter. If we sign Mallett, Fitz has to go. & he's done well enough this year, that he'll get picked up by some other team.
I would rather have Fitz as qb coach next year while giving Mallett, Savage and a rookie qb a look. Don't get me wrong, he did better than what I expected, but don't know if I can go through another season with him as a qb.
yeah, I tend to agree, but I'm just projecting what I believe the team will do, not what I want them to do.
Yeah, I know. I can keep dreaming though.
Dude did give it his all yesterday, which I felt bad for him because he really did give us the best chance to finally win yesterday.
markn
All Pro
Fitzy had one snap too many this week. :-(
Playoffs
Hall of Fame
That "Twitter Dr." is a second year family doctor (GP) resident, I've discovered. Hardly qualified to make orthopedic assessments.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Too bad they didn't sit Mallett out for the Bengals game like they're sitting Savage for this one.
Unbelievable. FOURTH STRING quarterback?!
Unbelievable. FOURTH STRING quarterback?!