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Sage Rosenfels could be the answer

Sage Rosenfels could be the answer

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What is a human turnover machine rotating in mid air depositing eliptical shaped leather bound balls.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
In general, if this was a spinal meningitis problem, it could leave him with any number of short term , long term or permanent sequelae to deal with. These could include, balance, movement, coordination, various levels of paralysis or weakness, seizures, hearing, visual and even mental acuity problems. Of course, there are patients that recover with very little permanent residual effects.
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I'd think he would have lost a lot of weight, at least. I wonder how long it'll take him to get football ready: body, arm, & hits?
 
mussop said:
Barry Warner just said sage would never wear a texans uni ever again. But he is such a huge D-Bag who knows if he's just talkin out his butt! I hope we sign him now just so I can call the show (610) and tell him he was wrong AGAIN.
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I actually think Warner, whoever that guy is, might be right.

Sage had a regrettable moment in a Texans uniform, and he ended up exiting Houston altogether.

And now Rick Smith is going to call him and beg him to come play for the Texans???? This is like getting fired from a job and the boss calls you a few years later and asks if you want to come back to work for him. Yeah, it's "a job" and everything...but you still have that bad taste in your mouth about what it felt like to get ran out of your workplace in pretty much an unceremonious fashion. You harbor some hard feelings, to say the least, and now the boss wants you back?!?!? Riiiiiiighhhhhht.

I'm not saying Sage would be justified in his feelings, so nobody skewer me over some idea that GP has a bleeding heart for Sage Rosenfels. I'm just saying that human nature dictates that you don't always run right back to the place you got fired from. Maybe there are extenuating circumstances that would permit a person to forgive and forget......however, what happens after THIS season? What would Sage do in 2012? Get sent packing, again, no matter what he did or didn't do for us in 2011?

Does Sage care (enough) about the Texans to try and help them? Does he care enough to risk getting released after 2011, or even to be brought back and staring at a clipboard and a packet of sunflower seeds while some other Texans QB is right back out there starting...in short: Always a backup, never the starter.

I don't think we acquire Sage Rosenfels. Too much scar tissue, not enough future here for him to risk the attempt, etc. etc.
 
Hervoyel said:
Yeah, what's up with that? Beaten out of a job by Brett Favre and Eli Manning! What kind of scrub doesn't start in front of those guys when coaches are flying down to Mississippi to woo them and using first round draft picks to get them?

As for Miami, well I think he got sick from the sound of things. Plus they don't seem capable of making a good decision there to begin with.
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Yeh what's up with that? If it was just Eli and Favre that beat him out then why wouldn't he still be in either place? Jackson is still in mini and Carr is still in NY. If he did so good in either of those places why didn't they keep him?
 
GP said:
I actually think Warner, whoever that guy is, might be right.

Sage had a regrettable moment in a Texans uniform, and he ended up exiting Houston altogether.

And now Rick Smith is going to call him and beg him to come play for the Texans???? This is like getting fired from a job and the boss calls you a few years later and asks if you want to come back to work for him. Yeah, it's "a job" and everything...but you still have that bad taste in your mouth about what it felt like to get ran out of your workplace in pretty much an unceremonious fashion. You harbor some hard feelings, to say the least, and now the boss wants you back?!?!? Riiiiiiighhhhhht.

I'm not saying Sage would be justified in his feelings, so nobody skewer me over some idea that GP has a bleeding heart for Sage Rosenfels. I'm just saying that human nature dictates that you don't always run right back to the place you got fired from. Maybe there are extenuating circumstances that would permit a person to forgive and forget......however, what happens after THIS season? What would Sage do in 2012? Get sent packing, again, no matter what he did or didn't do for us in 2011?

Does Sage care (enough) about the Texans to try and help them? Does he care enough to risk getting released after 2011, or even to be brought back and staring at a clipboard and a packet of sunflower seeds while some other Texans QB is right back out there starting...in short: Always a backup, never the starter.

I don't think we acquire Sage Rosenfels. Too much scar tissue, not enough future here for him to risk the attempt, etc. etc.
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Rosenfels would likely be out of the league next year if he doesnt get an opportunity to show he can play.

Much like Leinart getting a second chance to show he belongs ..... This could be the same opportunity for Rosenfels. I cant imagine he'd turn down a chance to prove his worth to the league no matter the team.

Imagine for a moment he steps into the starting role and takes the team on a deep playoff run. There are many teams hurting for good QB play ..... they will all be watching.
 
mussop said:
Yeh what's up with that? If it was just Eli and Favre that beat him out then why wouldn't he still be in either place? Jackson is still in mini and Carr is still in NY. If he did so good in either of those places why didn't they keep him?
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Jackson is is Seattle and Sage got sick in NY.
 
Corrosion said:
Imagine for a moment he steps into the starting role and takes the team on a deep playoff run. There are many teams hurting for good QB play ..... they will all be watching.
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I tried to imagine this with Leinart. My two weeks of imagining it (with Leinart in the spot we now want to imagine Sage occupying) ended up with my imagination being confronted with the reality of Leinart out for the season in under one half of football into his debut.

I'm sort of like Shane and Andrea (The Walking Dead) right now: There's nothing left to do but become basic instinct animals and let our lower lobe rule our decision making.

To hell with imagining. It just leaves you disappointed.

Seriously, though:

I can see us signing him. I can understand if Sage wants no part of another gig here. I can see Brodie Croyle being signed. I can see any number of things happening. In the end, will it be a Tom Brady or Kurt Warner type of ending for us? I have doubts that it will.

The Astrodome should be hauled away piece by piece and shot into space with a cannon. I think we're cursed or something. Of course, the pieces would fall from space someday and hit our star QB (whomever he is) in the head and kill him during the practice the day before the Super Bowl. That's life.
 
The Texans are below most team in waiver priority because of their current record.

A lot of teams ahead of the Texans could claim him.

Don't be surprised to see Bud Adams claim him just to be a dick.
 
GP said:
I actually think Warner, whoever that guy is, might be right.

Sage had a regrettable moment in a Texans uniform, and he ended up exiting Houston altogether.

And now Rick Smith is going to call him and beg him to come play for the Texans???? This is like getting fired from a job and the boss calls you a few years later and asks if you want to come back to work for him. Yeah, it's "a job" and everything...but you still have that bad taste in your mouth about what it felt like to get ran out of your workplace in pretty much an unceremonious fashion. You harbor some hard feelings, to say the least, and now the boss wants you back?!?!? Riiiiiiighhhhhht.

I'm not saying Sage would be justified in his feelings, so nobody skewer me over some idea that GP has a bleeding heart for Sage Rosenfels. I'm just saying that human nature dictates that you don't always run right back to the place you got fired from. Maybe there are extenuating circumstances that would permit a person to forgive and forget......however, what happens after THIS season? What would Sage do in 2012? Get sent packing, again, no matter what he did or didn't do for us in 2011?

Does Sage care (enough) about the Texans to try and help them? Does he care enough to risk getting released after 2011, or even to be brought back and staring at a clipboard and a packet of sunflower seeds while some other Texans QB is right back out there starting...in short: Always a backup, never the starter.

I don't think we acquire Sage Rosenfels. Too much scar tissue, not enough future here for him to risk the attempt, etc. etc.
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talk about revisionist history

sage left amicably. he wanted to start somewhere, the vikes came calling and with no favre at the time, it was a good move for both sides.
 
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TexansFanatic said:
The Texans are below most team in waiver priority because of their current record.

A lot of teams ahead of the Texans could claim him.

Don't be surprised to see Bud Adams claim him just to be a dick.
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When you pick a vet off waivers don't you have to dump someone off the 53? Tenn still thinks they're in the hunt. Would they really sacrifice a roster spot - logically their own 3rd string guy - just to piss off Houston?

...what am I saying?
This is Bud.
Sure he would.
 
ObsiWan said:
When you pick a vet off waivers don't you have to dump someone off the 53? Tenn still thinks they're in the hunt. Would they really sacrifice a roster spot - logically their own 3rd string guy - just to piss off Houston?

...what am I saying?
This is Bud.
Sure he would.
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lol!!!

Exactly. It seems crazy, but the Titans do play the Texans again. If they could keep the Texans from acquiring the quarterback they want......
 
TexansFanatic said:
The Texans are below most team in waiver priority because of their current record.

A lot of teams ahead of the Texans could claim him.

Don't be surprised to see Bud Adams claim him just to be a dick.
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I don't see why people are still talking about waivers as relates to Sage. If he is RELEASED by Miami, as a vet of more than 4 years, HE DOES NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH WAIVERS.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I don't see why people are still talking about waivers as relates to Sage. If he is RELEASED by Miami, as a vet of more than 4 years, HE DOES NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH WAIVERS.
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Yeah he does, it's in the new CBA. Any player under contract released after the trade deadline must go through the waivers process.
 
ObsiWan said:
When you pick a vet off waivers don't you have to dump someone off the 53?
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If you are carrying 53, yes.

Maddict5 said:
sage left amicably.
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Maybe. Sage said he didn't like Kubiak's coaching style and yelling at him and requested he stop it.

CloakNNNdagger said:
I don't see why people are still talking about waivers as relates to Sage. If he is RELEASED by Miami, as a vet of more than 4 years, HE DOES NOT HAVE TO GO THROUGH WAIVERS.
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After the trade deadline even vested vets go through waiver.
 
wolf123 said:
Well this is wrong... I guess Kyle Orton, Fat Albert and randy moss just went through waivers for the hell of it?:choke:
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srrono said:
i dont know one way or the other Kyle Orton is a 6 yr vet he went thru waviers.
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I stand corrected. Thanks.

Here in lies the answer within the CBA under Section 1 (a) below:

WAIVER SYSTEM

Section 1. Release:

(a) Whenever a player who has finished the season in which his fourth year of credited service has been earned under the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Plan is placed on waivers between February 1 and the trading deadline, his contract will be considered terminated and the player will be completely free at any time thereafter to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with any Club, and any Club shall be completely free to negotiate and sign a Player Contract with such player, without penalty or restriction, including, but not limited to, Draft Choice Compensation between Clubs or First Refusal Rights of any kind, or any signing period. If the waivers occur after that time, the player’s Player Contract will be subject to the waiver system and may be awarded to a claiming Club. However, if such player is claimed and awarded, he shall have the option to declare himself an Unrestricted Free Agent at the end of the League Year in question if he has a no-trade clause in his Player Contract. If such player does not have a no-trade clause and the Player Contract being awarded through waivers covers more than one additional season, the player shall have the right to declare himself an Unrestricted Free Agent as set forth above at the end of the League Year following the League Year in which he is waived and awarded.

(b) Whenever a player who has finished less than the season in which his fourth year of credited service has been earned under the Bert Bell/Pete Rozelle Plan is placed on waivers, the player’s Player Contract will be subject to the waiver system and may be awarded to a claiming Club.

Section 2. Contact: Coaches or any other persons connected with another NFL Club are prohibited from contacting any player placed on waivers until such time as the player is released by the waiving Club.

Section 3. Ineligibility: Any NFL player who is declared ineligible to compete in a pre-season, regular season or post-season game because of a breach by any NFL Club by whom he is employed of waiver procedures and regulations, or any other provision of the NFL Constitution and Bylaws, will be paid the salary or other compensation which he would have received if he had not been declared ineligible, which, in any event, will be a minimum of one week’s salary and, when applicable, expense payments.

Section 4. Notice of Termination: The Notice of Termination form attached hereto as Appendix G will be used by all Clubs. If possible, the Notice of Termination will be personally delivered to the player prior to his departure from the team. If the Notice of Termination has not been personally delivered to the player prior to his departure from the team, the Notice of Termination will be sent to him by certified mail at his last address on file with the Club.



***Waiver system: The procedure by which a player's contract or NFL rights are made available by his current team to other teams in the league. During the procedure, the 31 other teams either file a claim to obtain the player or waive the opportunity to do so, thus the term waiver. The claiming period is typically ten days during the off-season, but from early July through December, it lasts only 24 hours. If a player is claimed by two or more teams in this period, priority is based on the inverse won-lost standing of the teams. The team with the worst record has priority. If no team selects the player, he's free to sign with any team, including his previous employer. If no one signs him, he is unemployed - technically fired from the NFL.
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Mr. White said:
Sage was a damn solid backup when he was here. I'd take him in a heartbeat. He's also a known quantity.

We need to consider every option out there right now at QB. Anyone who is 100% sold on TJ Yates at this point is a delusional homer.
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LMAO!! Yeah, Sage is a known quantity alright. A career backup at best. Anyone who thinks a guy like that, or Favre, or Garcia, can save the Texans, is delusional.

I'm not sold on Yates. I've never seen him play until Sunday, so I have no idea. I don't feel good about a 3rd string rookie taking over at all. But I certainly wouldn't feel any better adding some of these guys mentioned on this board recently, who aren't even on NFL rosters or a guy that's behind Matt Moore and JP Losman in the pecking order.

And FWIW, Sage hasn't throw a single pass in an NFL game since Dec. 1, 2008. He was nothing more than a career backup then, no telling what he is 3 years later. Known quantity? Hardly.

Not saying Yates is either, but I will go with Yates over any of these scrubs, including Favre, that have been mentioned on this board. He can't do much worse than those guys and as far as I'm concerned, has a lot more upside than any of them.
 
El Tejano said:
And I'm telling yall that Sirius said they signed Sage.
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I've keyed in on what you posted earlier.

I've been looking for Internet ink out there that can cement what you heard on Sirius. Will help you out and continue to search and watch.

If so, you were the guy who broke the news. I honestly wonder how many people just glossed right over your earlier post and didn't even see it.
 
Speedy said:
LMAO!! Yeah, Sage is a known quantity alright. A career backup at best. Anyone who thinks a guy like that, or Favre, or Garcia, can save the Texans, is delusional.

I'm not sold on Yates. I've never seen him play until Sunday, so I have no idea. I don't feel good about a 3rd string rookie taking over at all. But I certainly wouldn't feel any better adding some of these guys mentioned on this board recently, who aren't even on NFL rosters or a guy that's behind Matt Moore and JP Losman in the pecking order.

And FWIW, Sage hasn't throw a single pass in an NFL game since Dec. 1, 2008. He was nothing more than a career backup then, no telling what he is 3 years later. Known quantity? Hardly.

Not saying Yates is either, but I will go with Yates over any of these scrubs, including Favre, that have been mentioned on this board. He can't do much worse than those guys and as far as I'm concerned, has a lot more upside than any of them.
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I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. Too bad that we missed out on Orton last week, because there isn't one option out there that someone doesn't think is a scrub.

And there's nothing that the two guys that are left on our roster have done yet to show that they aren't scrubs.
 
Mr. White said:
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree then. Too bad that we missed out on Orton last week, because there isn't one option out there that someone doesn't think is a scrub.

And there's nothing that the two guys that are left on our roster have done yet to show that they aren't scrubs.
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I didn't say they weren't scrubs. It's just that you're down to your 3rd QB. When that happens, it's pretty slim pickings no matter who you pick. I think Yates has just as good of a chance as any QB on the scrap heap. He's already on your team, has had the playbook since August, why not go with him? I just don't see that there's that much difference out there with what's available.
 
texanmojo.com said:
He was claimed off of waivers well before Houston had a chance. Orton was never an "option" for us.
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Didn't say he was ever an option. When I said "we missed on him," I mean "someone else got him and it wasn't us." Maybe I should have said "missed out" instead.

Speedy said:
I didn't say they weren't scrubs. It's just that you're down to your 3rd QB. When that happens, it's pretty slim pickings no matter who you pick. I think Yates has just as good of a chance as any QB on the scrap heap. He's already on your team, has had the playbook since August, why not go with him? I just don't see that there's that much difference out there with what's available.
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Don't get me wrong. I think we should roll with Yates for all the reasons that we've been hearing the past couple of days. I just think that Sage would be a damn good insurance policy in case TJ doesn't pan out.
 
Rey said:
I'd bring Sage in and would not think twice about it.

If you want Yates to get first dibs as the starter...Fine...

But it'd make me feel a little better about the situation if Sage was on the roster behind him.
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Yep. Sign Sage, if availabe. TJ will need a backup.

Speedy said:
I didn't say they weren't scrubs. It's just that you're down to your 3rd QB. When that happens, it's pretty slim pickings no matter who you pick. I think Yates has just as good of a chance as any QB on the scrap heap. He's already on your team, has had the playbook since August, why not go with him? I just don't see that there's that much difference out there with what's available.
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I tend to agree. Which end of a turd sandwich tastes better type of a deal. Hopefully Yates is not a turd sandwich, but you honestly can't expect much more from a rookie with no playing time at week 12.
 
Why do I get this feeling that Brett Favre is not entirely out of the picture.

Kubiak said he won't rule anybody out and he won't confirm anyone.

To me, Sage was Option A and it seems Miami won't release Sage.

Option B probably just got put on the table.
 
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