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Sage Rosenfels could be the answer

TimeKiller said:
Yeah, I remember them LOSING. To quote another fan favorite who kinda sucked, Ephraim Salaam: "If if's were fifths, we'd all be drunk."

Over Robinson. Another fan favorite who kinda sucked. Should we bring him back too?
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why are you fighting this? are you related to tj yates or something. i see no other possible reason. we're desperate. hes not the right answer but he's the best one thats left
 
TimeKiller said:
Yeah, I remember them LOSING. To quote another fan favorite who kinda sucked, Ephraim Salaam: "If if's were fifths, we'd all be drunk."

Over Robinson. Another fan favorite who kinda sucked. Should we bring him back too?
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If it means putting Jackson on the bench, heeeeeelll yes you bring Robinson back..

as for Sage, don't recall Sage playing defense and giving up field position for Boronias to kick his 8th FG to win the gm...
 
Why is there not an NFL "reporter" out there who will determine if Sage is released and becomes a free agent or if he has to pass through waivers to get to us??? Is it THAT hard for reporters to find out?

I'm OK with it. He tried to make a play when the Texans were doormats of the AFC South, the play almost worked. Chris Brown, Glover Quin, and Ron Dayne have just as dubious of a distinction in Texans Folklore when it comes to those type of moments. Relax.
 
Maddict5 said:
wtf at the timing? somehow i dont think its coincidental. remember this in april when we trade our 4th rd pick for a 5th & 7th or something. the unofficial trade deadline continues....

i like the pickup if hes healthy. blood infection sounds like something that might affect performance though???
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He will have to pass a physical before he signs with another team.

A 7th rder if anything at all.
 
Wouldn't it suck if Tennessee picked him of waivers just to keep us from getting him. Hell he might not even be the same player that left here. He certainly hasn't done jack squat since he's left. Look at who has beaten him out in the last few years. Yuk!
 
TimeKiller said:
This is hilarious.

I say again, BASED ON WHAT?!?

"He knows the offense" = correction, he knew the offense in 2008. Let's all pretend like there's nothing different after 3 seasons.

I know what it is. It's based on you recognizing his name. Known quantity....even though we all know that quantity sucks big donkey balls.

People pining for Sage Rosenfels in 2011. I've seen it all. I'd rather see direct snaps to Foster the rest of the season, forgoing a QB than watch Sage Rosenfels take another snap. Add "mysterious blood infection" the phrase "if healthy" and 3 years to ol' Sagencoptor and suddenly Texans fans are right back in 2008, wishing he was starting. Unreal.
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the ONLY thing that has changed in the offense in 3 years is the running game. Terminology is the same and the scheme is the same. Hell that is why Kubiak brought in Clemens, because he knew the terminology of the scheme.

Sage would be the best option if A: Texans can get him and B: Yates falls apart...Nobody wants him to start of Schaub, but might be a better option to start over a Rookie...
 
If he's any where close to what he was the first time around, then I would feel MUCH more confident than with Yates.

Rosenfels won more games than he lost as our starter the first go around.
That was with a worse team than we have now.
I would have been in favor of Rosenfels over Leinart actually.
 
mussop said:
Wouldn't it suck if Tennessee picked him of waivers just to keep us from getting him. Hell he might not even be the same player that left here. He certainly hasn't done jack squat since he's left. Look at who has beaten him out in the last few years. Yuk!
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Well to Sage's defense, he was the #1 option in Minnesota the year they picked up Favre to start. He had beat out Jackson but was blindsided by management due the One Man Sideshow that is Brett Favre....
 
mussop said:
Wouldn't it suck if Tennessee picked him of waivers just to keep us from getting him.
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While it would be reasonable to expect a team to make a move like that to block a rival .... They would have to clear a roster spot to do it. Its not as easy as just claiming him .... possible , sure.

If they were to claim him and put him on the roster the Texans would be forced to go in another direction ..... who would that be ? I dunno. But that player would likely be no better or worse than Rosenfels .... and the team who claimed him would be wasting a roster spot in the process.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Not sure that Sage has to go through waivers due to contract, veteran status and such. Nobody seems to have a clear answer on this.
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There is a certain deadline in the season (sorry don't know exactly which week). Before it, vets with more than four accrued seasons who are released do not have to pass through waivers. After it (and we have passed it), they do.
 
infantrycak said:
There is a certain deadline in the season (sorry don't know exactly which week). Before it, vets with more than four accrued seasons who are released do not have to pass through waivers. After it (and we have passed it), they do.
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I believe that coincides with the trade deadline.
 
asleep said:
What would be the ongoing implications of this?

What kind of shape can he be in???
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In general, if this was a spinal meningitis problem, it could leave him with any number of short term , long term or permanent sequelae to deal with. These could include, balance, movement, coordination, various levels of paralysis or weakness, seizures, hearing, visual and even mental acuity problems. Of course, there are patients that recover with very little permanent residual effects.
 
mussop said:
Wouldn't it suck if Tennessee picked him of waivers just to keep us from getting him. Hell he might not even be the same player that left here. He certainly hasn't done jack squat since he's left. Look at who has beaten him out in the last few years. Yuk!
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bud adams would never do that to houston :choke:

hopefully our good relations with munchak and co would stop such a dirty move

infantrycak said:
There is a certain deadline in the season (sorry don't know exactly which week). Before it, vets with more than four accrued seasons who are released do not have to pass through waivers. After it (and we have passed it), they do.
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well seeing as orton had to pass thru waivers and his >4 years are accrued, sage will have to do the same. time to start crossing fingers and toes
 
At this point, I see sage as the best option with who we can pick up. After watching the second half of the game yesterday, the offense was ran carresque where we played field position and basically took the ball out of qbs hand to make mistakes
 
Sage is Houston:

2006: 27-39, 69% cmp, 265 yards, 3 TD, 1 int, 6.8 YPA, 0 starts 4 games

2007: 154-240, 64% cmp, 1684 yards, 15 TD, 12 int, 7.0 YPA, 4 starts 9 games

2008: 116-174, 67% cmp, 1431 yards, 6 TD, 10 int, 8.2 YPA, 5 starts 6 games

Has not played much/at all since leaving Houston.

But the numbers pretty much confirmed what my eyes told me. Slung the ball around. Made some mistakes. Did some good things.

At this stage in his career and with the team we have around him I think Sage would be a good addition to this team.
 
I believe Rosenfels made his ill-fated decision against the Colts in order to put a stamp on his claim to the starting QB gig. He put himself above the team and it cost us the game. With both Matts done for the year he shouldn't feel the need to play above his limits and have a brain fart of that magnitude again. He was also turnover prone but these were the days when we didn't have much of a running game and no defense to speak of. If you can look past those two things there is a lot to like. He had a good rapport with Dre, he knows the system, he throws TD passes and he throws the ball downfield (very solid YPA while he was here).

I know I'll never forget what he did against Indy that day but if he came in and won a playoff game I might just forgive the rascal. Having said that Tennessee will probably block the move anyway. Oh well.
 
well if sage wants to come to HOU I think he can accept a injury settlement and be a free agent asap no waviers.
 
Jackie Chiles said:
I believe Rosenfels made his ill-fated decision against the Colts in order to put a stamp on his claim to the starting QB gig. He put himself above the team and it cost us the game. With both Matts done for the year he shouldn't feel the need to play above his limits and have a brain fart of that magnitude again. He was also turnover prone but these were the days when we didn't have much of a running game and no defense to speak of. If you can look past those two things there is a lot to like. He had a good rapport with Dre, he knows the system, he throws TD passes and he throws the ball downfield (very solid YPA while he was here).

I know I'll never forget what he did against Indy that day but if he came in and won a playoff game I might just forgive the rascal. Having said that Tennessee will probably block the move anyway. Oh well.
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I can't stand the "Rosenfels did what he did because he wanted the starting job" argument.

To me, it's just message board posters trying to co-sign Rosenfels into the "Start Sage!" vs. "Schaub is the man!" argument we've had on this board.

The guy was trying to win the game. Prior to that game, we had beaten the Colts ONCE in our whole lifespan as a team. NFL players are competitors first and foremost, and their desire to win comes through in the heat of the moment.

And you know what? Even if he DID have a desire to somehow stake a larger claim to a starting role as an NFL QB...at least he TRIED. At least he had the desire. How can he be blamed for that? Freaking Orlovsky couldn't even find his helmet when he was put into the game...that's how much Orlovsky desired to be a starting QB. But Sage is a dick for supposedly trying to win the game.

We need help. All hands on deck. We've come too far to wonder if TJ Yates can do it alone. If he gets injured, we are SCREWED for sure...and we might be screwed even IF he stays healthy out there. The addition of Sage would just be another plug in the hole of our sinking boat right now. That's it.
 
srrono said:
well if sage wants to come to HOU I think he can accept a injury settlement and be a free agent asap no waviers.
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is that right? cant find anything to confirm it. everythings ive seen says that if they pass thru waivers, then the injury settlement happens (and the player becomes a FA then)
 
Wouldn't it suck if Tennessee picked him of waivers just to keep us from getting him. Hell he might not even be the same player that left here. He certainly hasn't done jack squat since he's left. Look at who has beaten him out in the last few years.
 
Jackie Chiles said:
I believe Rosenfels made his ill-fated decision against the Colts in order to put a stamp on his claim to the starting QB gig. He put himself above the team and it cost us the game. With both Matts done for the year he shouldn't feel the need to play above his limits and have a brain fart of that magnitude again. He was also turnover prone but these were the days when we didn't have much of a running game and no defense to speak of. If you can look past those two things there is a lot to like. He had a good rapport with Dre, he knows the system, he throws TD passes and he throws the ball downfield (very solid YPA while he was here).

I know I'll never forget what he did against Indy that day but if he came in and won a playoff game I might just forgive the rascal. Having said that Tennessee will probably block the move anyway. Oh well.
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Well said. MSR
 
Barry Warner just said sage would never wear a texans uni ever again. But he is such a huge D-Bag who knows if he's just talkin out his butt! I hope we sign him now just so I can call the show (610) and tell him he was wrong AGAIN.
 
mussop said:
Wouldn't it suck if Tennessee picked him of waivers just to keep us from getting him. Hell he might not even be the same player that left here. He certainly hasn't done jack squat since he's left. Look at who has beaten him out in the last few years.
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Yeah, what's up with that? Beaten out of a job by Brett Favre and Eli Manning! What kind of scrub doesn't start in front of those guys when coaches are flying down to Mississippi to woo them and using first round draft picks to get them?

As for Miami, well I think he got sick from the sound of things. Plus they don't seem capable of making a good decision there to begin with.
 
mussop said:
Wouldn't it suck if Tennessee picked him of waivers just to keep us from getting him. Hell he might not even be the same player that left here. He certainly hasn't done jack squat since he's left. Look at who has beaten him out in the last few years.
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it would suck about the same amount as it wouldve 45 mins ago when post this exact msg on the last page ;)

i checked cos i thought i was suffering from deja vu
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
In general, if this was a spinal meningitis problem, it could leave him with any number of short term , long term or permanent sequelae to deal with. These could include, balance, movement, coordination, various levels of paralysis or weakness, seizures, hearing, visual and even mental acuity problems. Of course, there are patients that recover with very little permanent residual effects.
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Which still makes him our best option. :cow:
 
Maddict5 said:
is that right? cant find anything to confirm it. everythings ive seen says that if they pass thru waivers, then the injury settlement happens (and the player becomes a FA then)
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you may be right lol i wish some one new for sure
 
GP said:
I can't stand the "Rosenfels did what he did because he wanted the starting job" argument.

To me, it's just message board posters trying to co-sign Rosenfels into the "Start Sage!" vs. "Schaub is the man!" argument we've had on this board.

The guy was trying to win the game. Prior to that game, we had beaten the Colts ONCE in our whole lifespan as a team. NFL players are competitors first and foremost, and their desire to win comes through in the heat of the moment.

And you know what? Even if he DID have a desire to somehow stake a larger claim to a starting role as an NFL QB...at least he TRIED. At least he had the desire. How can he be blamed for that? Freaking Orlovsky couldn't even find his helmet when he was put into the game...that's how much Orlovsky desired to be a starting QB. But Sage is a dick for supposedly trying to win the game.

We need help. All hands on deck. We've come too far to wonder if TJ Yates can do it alone. If he gets injured, we are SCREWED for sure...and we might be screwed even IF he stays healthy out there. The addition of Sage would just be another plug in the hole of our sinking boat right now. That's it.
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Then we agree on the big stuff, Sage can help this team right now. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion on the Rosencopter fiasco as am I.
 
infantrycak said:
There is a certain deadline in the season (sorry don't know exactly which week). Before it, vets with more than four accrued seasons who are released do not have to pass through waivers. After it (and we have passed it), they do.
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Is becoming a free agent due to an injury settlement be the same as being released?
 
I don't see why it matters if we do or don't bring Sage in. We are arguing over who is the tallest midget in the room.

Yates know the system. Sage doesn't. Sage has experience. Yates doesn't. People are splitting hairs.

We are looking for a backup for the backup's backup. At this point, you aren't going to find much quality if any at all.
 
Maddict5 said:
is that right? cant find anything to confirm it. everythings ive seen says that if they pass thru waivers, then the injury settlement happens (and the player becomes a FA then)
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Collective Bargaining Agreement, Article XII (Injury Protection), stipulates that an Injury Settlement with the player must be reached prior to his release.
 
Great Horny Toads!!

Cue the damned music

I mean, how much farther into

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can this bizarro season get??
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Collective Bargaining Agreement, Article XII (Injury Protection), stipulates that an Injury Settlement with the player must be reached prior to his release.
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well i suppose technically putting him on waivers isnt releasing. as i understand it, hes put on waivers, either gets picked up by somebody else (who picks up his contract) or returns to his original team who then negotiate a settlement and release the player
 
Bud will pick him up just to screw Houston. Nice fantasy though.

The good thing is Rosenfels will have to occupy an active roster spot for the tacks.
 
Hoth-Boy said:
Really? I thought the injury settlement would in essance settle his contract making him equal with all of the other street free agents around. Without a contract how would the waiver system work?
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look at my last post just above yours. from what ive read, thats how i interpret the system to work i.e. the player is put on waivers before the injury settlement and release

not saying im def right but i havent seen anything to contradict it yet
 
infantrycak said:
There is a certain deadline in the season (sorry don't know exactly which week). Before it, vets with more than four accrued seasons who are released do not have to pass through waivers. After it (and we have passed it), they do.
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Hoth-Boy said:
Is becoming a free agent due to an injury settlement be the same as being released?
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This might help out:

What is the difference between waived, cut and released?

All three terms are synonyms for termination of employment. The number of years of service in the NFL and the time of year has a lot to do with each term as it relates to individual players. A vested veteran player with four years of service will be handled differently from a player with less years of service. Keep in mind football does not have recallable waivers like the business model baseball works under.

Waived: A non-vested player (less than four years of service) who is terminated goes through waivers. When he is released another team can claim him within a certain period of time. A vested veteran only goes through the waiver system from the trading deadline in midseason through the end of the season. During the offseason and all the way up to the trading deadline, a vested veteran gets released.

Released: A vested veteran is free when he is terminated and can sign with any club. Keep in mind, if the termination takes place between the end of the trading deadline and the end of the calendar year, the player goes through waivers. A vested veteran released this time of year is free to sign with any team. For example, Duane Starks was terminated last week and he was not subjected to the waiver system.

Cut: Is an unofficial term for being terminated and one of the above two categories applies.
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LINK
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Collective Bargaining Agreement, Article XII (Injury Protection), stipulates that an Injury Settlement with the player must be reached prior to his release.
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But getting strep throat isn't the same as getting busted up while playing/practicing is it?

Why would the team owe him any sort of Injury Settlement for getting sick?
 
Pantherstang84 said:
Bud will pick him up just to screw Houston. Nice fantasy though.

The good thing is Rosenfels will have to occupy an active roster spot for the tacks.
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This is what I think will happen also. Bud loves to screw Houston anytime he gets a chance. Thats why he took VY. Double rods from Bud. Hopefully the Texans can beat the possum piss outta the Titans in their regular season finale.
 
I can't believe this thread has gone on this long with so many serious posts in it. Or any of the QB fantasy threads. Unless Matty Hot Tub comes back, Yates is our starter until next season, and any other QBs that get signed will be warming the bench behind Yates.
 
ObsiWan said:
But getting strep throat isn't the same as getting busted up while playing/practicing is it?

Why would the team owe him any sort of Injury Settlement for getting sick?
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The Non-Football Injury list, is functionally equivalent to PUP, but is used for players who are unable to practice as a result of conditions unrelated to football. For example, New England Patriots tackle Marcus Cannon began his rookie season on the NFI list as he recovered from chemotherapy for non-Hodgkin lymphoma. Settlement or release would be handled similarly to an injured player.
 
Thorn said:
I can't believe this thread has gone on this long with so many serious posts in it. Or any of the QB fantasy threads. Unless Matty Hot Tub comes back, Yates is our starter until next season, and any other QBs that get signed will be warming the bench behind Yates.
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I tend to agree with the other old guy...
I would think the Return of Rosenfels (that does sound like a Twilight Zone episode) would be more in a backup role than as a starter. Both he and Clemens will have to come up to speed on the 2011 edition of our offense. Clemens is familiar with the Shanny version and Rosey is familiar with the 2008 edition. Until both have the 2011 version down pat AND Yates' performance indicates that he isn't ready for prime time, I would think Yates is the starter.
my :twocents:
 
Pantherstang84 said:
Bud will pick him up just to screw Houston. Nice fantasy though.

The good thing is Rosenfels will have to occupy an active roster spot for the tacks.
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If Houston really wants him and there is legitimate concern that another team could grab him off the waiver wire just to be jerks, why wouldn't they just give up a seventh round pick for him?
 
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