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Sage is our man

Kaiser Toro said:
Carr looked better the first game, but I was disappointed with his pocket presence on Saturday as there seemed to be fewer roll outs. We know he can roll out and we know that Kubiak likes the roll out. I have always been concerned about him in the pocket and remain as such.
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I agree with you here. I noticed he seemed quite skittish/antsy in the pocket. I don't think he even looked downfield once. Everything he threw, that wasn't a screen, was a dumpoff. I hope he eventually gains confidence in the line in order to relax in the pocket to make the correct reads.:twocents:
 
jerek said:
Agreed ... I'm not sure why they went away from the rollouts.
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probably because these games don't count and smart people will work on their weaknesses in this type of situation.
 
Wonger, Carr has not had the coaching he has needed to develop or displine under Capers, look what Kubiak has done for QB's in the past, at least please give him this year for improvement, If he fails with the correct tools around him then he deserves to sit on the couch with Tim Couch from the Cleveland Browns their previous # 1 pick.......Also he is one of the few QB's in the league that has had to start with inaugural team from the start without a system in place for him to acheive success, look what big Ben did in Pittsburg with a system in place as a rookie......at least give him a chance....
 
tsip said:
"make David work even harder"

Carr may have some issues but IMO this is not one of them...
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I meant to say to push him.


Meaning that Carr would want to play even more better to keep his starter spot.
 
Vinny said:
probably because these games don't count and smart people will work on their weaknesses in this type of situation.
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You think so? I don't know enough about coaching at the NFL level to comment on his motivation. That occurred to me also but I guess I was assuming that Kubiak was "playing to win" as much as if not moreso than he was interested in experimentation and adjusting the formula.

I agree that the preseason is a time to experiment and to try some things out, and he has clearly done that with many of our units and playcalls.
 
I am getting the feeling too that Kubiak wasn't necessarily trying to let the 1st few series score a TD in that Kubiak may have been trying certain plays to see where Carr has progressed or show him what he can handle. To not have Carr roll out at least once during his tenure is very odd for this type of offense. Maybe Kubiak was trying to see if he would get happy feet, of course who would have known that Lundy couln't handle the blitz.
 
one things for sure the offensive line is much improved with Mike Flanagan holding the point of attack which before was the Texans true achilles heel. now David needs to re-learn the pocket since he should actually have one to bounce around in while he goes through his progressions.

several pages ago I made the comparrison between coach Kubiak in his playing days to Sage Rosenfels (He played for the Broncos from 1983-91 as the backup for Hall of Fame quarterback John Elway). one might draw the conclusion that he sees some of the same traits in Sage, but I doubt he is ever more than a back-up to Carr even though Kubiak said that Sage has starter potential. hopefully if this happens it will be on the Texans own terms instead of a necessary evil :ouch:
 
texan279 said:
Let's get the facts straight, we have seen all of two preseason games and neither Carr nor Sage has played a full game yet. Carr in his last game was getting blitzed on what seemed like every play against a 1st team defense and still completed 58% of his passes. Sage has 2 good games against 2nd and 3rd team guys and all of a sudden some think Sage is our answer at QB? Fact is Sage has been in this league for 5 seasons and started what 2 games in those 5 seasons with a career completion percentage of 49.5 and thrown 6 TD's and 6 INT's? If he was really that good I would think he would be starting somewhere in the league. Sage has a couple of good games in the preseason against scrubs and some think he is our saviour sent from above...
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Some people are looking at a player on the field, and recognizing talent when they see it. That is why kubiak went and got him from Miami, and Gave him $2 mill to keep him out of Cincinnati......

They aren't looking at the poor mistakes of other coaches with poor noses for Talent.

JakeDelhomme(yes, we are going to do this again) was a back up to Billy Joe Hebert & Billy Joe Tolliver........ when Haslette took the team, he went to free Agency to get a QB.... Jeff Blake, & Aaron Brooks, when he already had Delhomme on the bench. He had 2 starts in NO where he threw 3 TDs, and 5 ints.. 55.3% completion percentage, and a 62.4 QB ratiing.

And while I love David Carr...... it is foolish to think he's ever earned the starting job..... there are many a QB with stats comparable to his, that aren't starting..

& it would be nice to believe David will earn his starting job this year, but from where I sit, it looks like it's being given to him. Kubiak has said that he can do the job, and I beieve that. & I'm fine with Starting David...... but right now, I don't believe David gives us the best chance to win.

We won two games with David Starting....... we will win games with David Starting...... come December, David may very well be head and shoulders the best QB on our roster....... but right now....... I don't think so.
 
TFL said:
10/17 for 99 yards, and their D was making him hurry alot becuase of the o-line and RB not picking up the blitz in the first couple of series. I don't see why you are saying Carr looked like a rookie he didn't do bad.
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I think you referring to two instances.

I believe the first one, either Lundy or Carr was out of position. Carr made such a deep drop that he seemed out of the pocket and Lundy was not that far up that the rusher really didn't have to run around or through Lundy to get to Carr. Would need to know the design of the play to know who was at fault.

The other one, where Carr got wacked. It looked a delayed two DB blitz. Lundy picked one guy (the inside guy) but couldn't get the other. Not sure how you can blame Lundy there.

I think Carr is going to get these type of blitz's until he can burn defenses consistently. The risk versus reward is to high in the favor of the defense to not blitz Carr from exotic perspectives. It seems to always deliver results.

One thing I noticed is that St. Louis was bring corners and safeties several times to disguise their blitz. Reminds of the Pittsburgh game.

Carr just needs to start burning defenses consistently or they won't stop this stuff. If defenses don't pay for the blitz, they are only going to bring more heat.
 
SESupergenius said:
I am getting the feeling too that Kubiak wasn't necessarily trying to let the 1st few series score a TD in that Kubiak may have been trying certain plays to see where Carr has progressed or show him what he can handle. To not have Carr roll out at least once during his tenure is very odd for this type of offense. Maybe Kubiak was trying to see if he would get happy feet, of course who would have known that Lundy couln't handle the blitz.
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"Still, Kubiak wasn't excited about everything his team did at St. Louis. In the first quarter, the Rams had some exotic blitzes for quarterback David Carr, who didn't handle them well.

"We had an opportunity early to make some big plays and be very productive, but we didn't do it," Kubiak said. "It was disappointing.

"You have an agenda, something you want to accomplish. We had some opportunities to get off to a great start, but we didn't handle those situations."

...Chronicle 08/21/06
 
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS said:
Wonger, Carr has not had the coaching he has needed to develop or displine under Capers, look what Kubiak has done for QB's in the past....
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who are we talking about here?? Bubby Brister?? Griese?? Tommy Maddox?? where is this going??
 
hollywood_texan said:
I think Carr is going to get these type of blitz's until he can burn defenses consistently. The risk versus reward is to high in the favor of the defense to not blitz Carr from exotic perspectives. It seems to always deliver results.
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I agree 100%..........
hollywood_texan said:
Carr just needs to start burning defenses consistently or they won't stop this stuff. If defenses don't pay for the blitz, they are only going to bring more heat.
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If only it were that easy...... I'm not knocking anything you are saying.... just want to add to what you are saying.....

our wideouts have got to recognize the blitzes as well..... understand they need to do something to help Carr out.

When Carr got trampled, and AJ dropped the ball......... that ain't going to work.... or the other time Carr took a lick, and Moulds watched the ball fall three yards in front of him...... not going to cut it.
 
thunderkyss said:
Some people are looking at a player on the field, and recognizing talent when they see it. That is why kubiak went and got him from Miami, and Gave him $2 mill to keep him out of Cincinnati......

They aren't looking at the poor mistakes of other coaches with poor noses for Talent.

JakeDelhomme(yes, we are going to do this again) was a back up to Billy Joe Hebert & Billy Joe Tolliver........ when Haslette took the team, he went to free Agency to get a QB.... Jeff Blake, & Aaron Brooks, when he already had Delhomme on the bench. He had 2 starts in NO where he threw 3 TDs, and 5 ints.. 55.3% completion percentage, and a 62.4 QB ratiing.

And while I love David Carr...... it is foolish to think he's ever earned the starting job..... there are many a QB with stats comparable to his, that aren't starting..

& it would be nice to believe David will earn his starting job this year, but from where I sit, it looks like it's being given to him. Kubiak has said that he can do the job, and I beieve that. & I'm fine with Starting David...... but right now, I don't believe David gives us the best chance to win.

We won two games with David Starting....... we will win games with David Starting...... come December, David may very well be head and shoulders the best QB on our roster....... but right now....... I don't think so.
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And like I have said before, Delhomme had 2 preseasons with the Saints where his QB rating was over 110 and also had success in the NFLE before being signed by Carolina. All this talk about stats this and stats that, do you know whose stats are comparable? Carr and Sage's stats! The only difference being Sage has thrown 1 TD and Carr has not thrown a TD pass. If you're going to go off of stats Quinten Porter should be our starting QB. Sage has made mistakes and bad throws just like Carr has, and against St. Louis Sage did not have near the amount of pressure in his face that Carr had in that game.
 
texan279 said:
And like I have said before, Delhomme had 2 preseasons with the Saints where his QB rating was over 110 and also had success in the NFLE before being signed by Carolina. All this talk about stats this and stats that, do you know whose stats are comparable? Carr and Sage's stats! The only difference being Sage has thrown 1 TD and Carr has not thrown a TD pass. If you're going to go off of stats Quinten Porter should be our starting QB. Sage has made mistakes and bad throws just like Carr has, and against St. Louis Sage did not have near the amount of pressure in his face that Carr had in that game.
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For the last time......... well, until the next time....... I am not saying we should bench Carr, and start Sage..... Coach Kubiak said he could be a starter in this league, so let it go..... if you think it means anything that Kubiak says Carr can get us to the SuperBowl, then it's got to mean something if he says Sage can be a starter.....

& I stand by what I said in my previous post. Right now, I don't think David is the best QB on our team..... the QB that gives us the best chance to win. If you think Quinton Porter is the man..... hey.... you go with that. But come December, David may very well be head and shoulders above any QB on our roster.... if we continue to play him of course..... personally, I think starting Sage does nothing to get us closer to our goal..... I've got to believe Kubiak sees more in David Carr than he does in Sage.

NOt because Sage is "just a back-up" , but because he thinks David can be a better Starter, much the same way that Peyton Manning is a better Starter than.............. Drew Bledsoe.

honestly, I don't understand where all this is coming from..... why do you have to tear one guy down, just to build another up....... poor debating skills if you ask me...........:sarcasm:
 
thunderkyss said:
For the last time......... well, until the next time....... I am not saying we should bench Carr, and start Sage..... Coach Kubiak said he could be a starter in this league, so let it go..... if you think it means anything that Kubiak says Carr can get us to the SuperBowl, then it's got to mean something if he says Sage can be a starter.....

& I stand by what I said in my previous post. Right now, I don't think David is the best QB on our team..... the QB that gives us the best chance to win. If you think Quinton Porter is the man..... hey.... you go with that. But come December, David may very well be head and shoulders above any QB on our roster.... if we continue to play him of course..... personally, I think starting Sage does nothing to get us closer to our goal..... I've got to believe Kubiak sees more in David Carr than he does in Sage.

NOt because Sage is "just a back-up" , but because he thinks David can be a better Starter, much the same way that Peyton Manning is a better Starter than.............. Drew Bledsoe.

honestly, I don't understand where all this is coming from..... why do you have to tear one guy down, just to build another up....... poor debating skills if you ask me...........:sarcasm:
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Better re-read my posts, I never tore anyone down, I actually said both Carr and Sage have played good this preseason and have comparable stats, I don't know where you get I am tearing someone down. I never said that it meant anything that Kubiak said Carr could get us to a Super Bowl. You say you do not think Carr is the best QB on the team yet you say you do not want Carr benched, why would you not want the best QB starting?
 
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
Seeing the game right now.... Carr is decent.

LIERS!!!!!!
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As expected. An 8 million dollar Qb should lead his 1st team offense to a TD score against a 2nd team Defense.

1-10-STL45 (11:45) V.Morency left tackle to SL 33 for 12 yards (J.Carter).
1-10-STL33 (11:09) V.Morency right tackle to SL 30 for 3 yards (B.Howard).
2-7-STL30 (10:32) D.Carr pass short right to A.Johnson to SL 20 for 10 yards (T.Hill).
1-10-STL20 (9:59) D.Carr pass short right to A.Johnson to SL 12 for 8 yards (T.Hill).
2-2-STL12 (9:21) V.Morency left guard to SL 8 for 4 yards (T.Hill).
1-8-STL8 (8:45) D.Carr pass short right to J.Cook pushed ob at SL 4 for 4 yards (D.Coakley).
2-4-STL4 (8:17) V.Morency up the middle for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
K.Brown extra point is GOOD, Center-B.Pittman, Holder-C.Stanley.
 
texan279 said:
Better re-read my posts, I never tore anyone down, I actually said both Carr and Sage have played good this preseason and have comparable stats, I don't know where you get I am tearing someone down. I never said that it meant anything that Kubiak said Carr could get us to a Super Bowl. You say you do not think Carr is the best QB on the team yet you say you do not want Carr benched, why would you not want the best QB starting?
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by saying Sage will never be anything but a backup, is tearing him down IMHO.... nobody comes into this league to be a backup.

and I'll start David over Sage because I think it's possible for David to be the better QB in the long run.... if all we want is a winning season in '06.... start Sage. If we want years of playoff appearances, and at least one SuperBowl in the next ten, start David Carr.

It's kinda like starting Billy Volek over Vince Young..... sure Billy is the better QB...... now.... but get Vince in some real game situations, and before long, he'll be much better than Volek can dream of being.
 
thunderkyss said:
by saying Sage will never be anything but a backup, is tearing him down IMHO.... nobody comes into this league to be a backup.

and I'll start David over Sage because I think it's possible for David to be the better QB in the long run.... if all we want is a winning season in '06.... start Sage. If we want years of playoff appearances, and at least one SuperBowl in the next ten, start David Carr.

It's kinda like starting Billy Volek over Vince Young..... sure Billy is the better QB...... now.... but get Vince in some real game situations, and before long, he'll be much better than Volek can dream of being.
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I would love for you to find the quote where I said "Sage will never be anything but a backup"...Only thing I said even close to that was that if Sage was as good as some of you guys think, he would be starting somewhere right now...
 
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
Well then Kaiser Toro, why dont you put sage as the starting QB then.

Hahahahahha!!!!

All I am saying is that most of you guys overreacted cause Carr was not 10/10 or got yards like Manning. I am just happy all of the cylinders are firing. 3 scoring opportunities and your still riding Carr's back.

Phulllease..... Sage lead the team against second team defense and 3rd team defense and you want him to start. Your point of view is MESSED UP! I once remember a prominent member of this board ranting and raving about Tony Banks after leading a 1 minute drive TD drive against the niners. The Tony threw two interceptions.
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Not sure what you base your raucous laugter on.

Who is over reacting here? You called people liers after you view our #1 QB against a #2 Defense. No one has said Sage has played against a #1 D in pre season. Your CON-text is the issue here not Carr or Sage.
 
texan279 said:
I would love for you to find the quote where I said "Sage will never be anything but a backup"...Only thing I said even close to that was that if Sage was as good as some of you guys think, he would be starting somewhere right now...
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Actually TK, here is what I posted about Sage in the OTHER Carr vs. Sage thread while responding to you....

Originally Posted by thunderkyss
All I'm saying, is that just because Sage has been a backup for six years, doesn't mean that he will only be a backup for the next six years. Surely you can agree with that.
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My response was...
I am not saying that, but I am not ready to put in Sage as the starter because he had one good preseason game against 2nd and 3rd team guys on a beat up Kansas City team.
 
I don't know if Sage is "our man"...but I do think that he deserves a chance during pre-season to go with the first teamers....He has looked better than Carr despite playing against second teamers...but at the same time he was playing WITH second teamers also...Carr definitely has all the potential...but as of right now Sage has out preformed Carr and should be given run with the first team just like T.J was afforded the opprotunity....
 
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
Well then Kaiser Toro, why dont you put sage as the starting QB then.

Hahahahahha!!!!

All I am saying is that most of you guys overreacted cause Carr was not 10/10 or got yards like Manning. I am just happy all of the cylinders are firing. 3 scoring opportunities and your still riding Carr's back.

Phulllease..... Sage lead the team against second team defense and 3rd team defense and you want him to start. Your point of view is MESSED UP! I once remember a prominent member of this board ranting and raving about Tony Banks after leading a 1 minute drive TD drive against the niners. The Tony threw two interceptions.
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Who's riding Carr's back?

"Still, Kubiak wasn't excited about everything his team did at St. Louis. In the first quarter, the Rams had some exotic blitzes for quarterback David Carr, who didn't handle them well."

"We had an opportunity early to make some big plays and be very productive, but we didn't do it," Kubiak said. "It was disappointing.

"You have an agenda, something you want to accomplish. We had some opportunities to get off to a great start, but we didn't handle those situations."
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http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/fb/texansfront/4129861.html
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Sage Rosenfels=Steve Beuerlein

Some backup QB's can light it up coming off the bench. They fill in well for an injured starter. Then, when they get a starting job, then we find out why they weren't starters all along.

Anybody remember Cody Carlson? Scott Mitchell?
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Don't forget about Kelly Holcome
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I don't know if Sage is "our man"...but I do think that he deserves a chance during pre-season to go with the first teamers....He has looked better than Carr despite playing against second teamers...but at the same time he was playing WITH second teamers also...Carr definitely has all the potential...but as of right now Sage has out preformed Carr and should be given run with the first team just like T.J was afforded the opprotunity....
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I understand your post, but I don't believe starting Sage is the answer. I really think Kubiak is here to build a SuperBowl contender, and if he thinks Carr is the guy to get us there, then he should start Carr, and work on those things.

For anyone to think Carr would start this season looking like Peyton Manning, I can understand the frustration. & while TJ has shown some improvement from last year........ debatable really since he was a 3-4 defensive end, I don't think we should expect Carr to turn it around so quickly, with nothing but OTAs and Training camp...... I mean we are talking about NFL Quarterback. It takes years to really learn the position.

I'm happy to see that it's not just the Carr-haters, and Carr-bashers who see David screwing up during a game. I'm glad to see someone on the sideline telling David he screwed up.

Can you imagine if he was going to the sideline saying, " I expected him to go this way, and he went that way" then the coach saying, "Don't worry about it..... Sage would've done the same thing"

Last year, David was playing scared. & we aren't going to win many games if David is playing scared. He played an aggresive StL team this past weekend, and even though he did make some mistakes, he wasn't scared.

There was one play, where he rolled out to the sideline...... looking downfield, he ended up throwing the ball away...... Freakin Jameel Cook was right in front of him, runnig step for step with him towards the sideline..... but he threw it away??

A few plays later, exact same thing...... except he tossed it to Cook, and we got 4 yards out of it.

I was disappointed that he threw dang near the same bad pass to AJ that he threw last week...... And I haven't seen him put a ball out there for the reciever to make a play on. but overall, he looked a lot more composed this week, against a more aggresive D than he did all last year, and against KC.
 
thunderkyss said:
I understand your post, but I don't believe starting Sage is the answer. I really think Kubiak is here to build a SuperBowl contender, and if he thinks Carr is the guy to get us there, then he should start Carr, and work on those things.
For anyone to think Carr would start this season looking like Peyton Manning, I can understand the frustration. & while TJ has shown some improvement from last year........ debatable really since he was a 3-4 defensive end, I don't think we should expect Carr to turn it around so quickly, with nothing but OTAs and Training camp...... I mean we are talking about NFL Quarterback. It takes years to really learn the position.

I'm happy to see that it's not just the Carr-haters, and Carr-bashers who see David screwing up during a game. I'm glad to see someone on the sideline telling David he screwed up.

Can you imagine if he was going to the sideline saying, " I expected him to go this way, and he went that way" then the coach saying, "Don't worry about it..... Sage would've done the same thing"

Last year, David was playing scared. & we aren't going to win many games if David is playing scared. He played an aggresive StL team this past weekend, and even though he did make some mistakes, he wasn't scared.

There was one play, where he rolled out to the sideline...... looking downfield, he ended up throwing the ball away...... Freakin Jameel Cook was right in front of him, runnig step for step with him towards the sideline..... but he threw it away??

A few plays later, exact same thing...... except he tossed it to Cook, and we got 4 yards out of it.

I was disappointed that he threw dang near the same bad pass to AJ that he threw last week...... And I haven't seen him put a ball out there for the reciever to make a play on. but overall, he looked a lot more composed this week, against a more aggresive D than he did all last year, and against KC.
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I think the whole Carr leading us to the promise land thing is where we disagree...I don't neccessarily think Carr is going to or is capable of doing so. ..and i don't neccessarily think he can't...But the one thing I know is that if we aren't good enough now, we will be good enough next year to make a legit playoff run...I am hoping within the next two years we can be thinking Superbowl appearances and not play-off births...Sage is/has played better than Carr thus far...If Sage is the better QB Sage should be playing...I know you are making comparisons to Volek, and Young...but it's not the same...VY is a rookie who most people(including myself) thinks has A LOT of learning to do...Carr has been in the league for 5 yrs...Its time..Its been time...Its past time...Carr is not a tomato in the window sill anymore, he's in the salad and dammit if it doesn't taste good im going to take it out....
 
HOOK'EM said:
Don't forget about Kelly Holcome
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Sure seems like a lot more of 'em don't pan out as starters than do. If we have a backup that causes a QB controversy, then we have a damn good backup, not necessarily one who could be a good starter.

David Carr may not be Joe Montana, but Sage Rosenfels isn't Steve Young either.
 
ok I just saw the game, and really to call for Sage to be the starter is laughable. Carr had some pretty good pressure from the Rams defense and quite frankly, it wasn't until after that that Texans started calling for screens and outlets for Carr to combat that problem. Carr delivered some pretty good balls and was only off when the pressure got through. When you get pressure like that the QB isn't going to make some 20 yard throw, just look at Bulger, when he got pressure he couln't do squat either. I hate to say this, but our offensive line still isn't good at pass protection, and sure include the TE's and RB's into that protection as well. I saw Carr get nailed by Chavous when he stayed in the pocket, so as far as him falling under pressure, that just didn't happen, Carr stayed there and was looking for receivers and letting the play develop.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
..Carr has been in the league for 5 yrs...Its time..Its been time...Its past time...Carr is not a tomato in the window sill anymore, he's in the salad and dammit if it doesn't taste good im going to take it out....
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Sage has been in the league for 6 years now, does he still get a shot then? If everyone is asking for David to take a hike after 5, the Sage should have already called it day and hung up cleats. Sorry folks, the QB positions is the hardest to learn, and there is no good time table to guage by.
 
SESupergenius said:
Sage has been in the league for 6 years now, does he still get a shot then? If everyone is asking for David to take a hike after 5, the Sage should have already called it day and hung up cleats. Sorry folks, the QB positions is the hardest to learn, and there is no good time table to guage by.
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You missed the point...He was comparing VY/Volek to Carr/Sage...Time in the leauge has nothing to do with who should and shouldn't start in our situation...Neither does being the QB of the future, because the future is now...And right Now Sage has shown through two games that he is the better QB...Don't get me wrong, because as of right now i still consider Carr to be the starter for our team...All I am saying is that i would like to see what Sage can do with the first team....If he plays better than Carr, he should start....if he doesn't...then he shouldn't....My whole point has been that Sage's play thus far should warrant him some PT with the first team...just like TJ...
 
Sage is kind of a kicked up Cody Carelson...perhaps a Billy Volek level talent. Having Carr not clearly outshine him is troublesome. Carr clearly has more talent, but we all know that. The intangibles and instinct have always been a question mark, and he really hasn't done much to answer those questions. If Carr can't make it work then I think we go after someone as the Kubiak era unfolds. Who wants a Commander Cody/Billy Volek type talent leading their team full time?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
You missed the point...He was comparing VY/Volek to Carr/Sage...Time in the leauge has nothing to do with who should and shouldn't start in our situation...Neither does being the QB of the future, because the future is now...And right Now Sage has shown through two games that he is the better QB...Don't get me wrong, because as of right now i still consider Carr to be the starter for our team...All I am saying is that i would like to see what Sage can do with the first team....If he plays better than Carr, he should start....if he doesn't...then he shouldn't....My whole point has been that Sage's play thus far should warrant him some PT with the first team...just like TJ...
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Sage didn't have nearly the blitzes thrown at him as Carr did and from I saw Sage wasn't really that spectacular. He floated one over the TE's head and got saved by a pass interference call and their rookie CB easily knocked down a pass that he floated to the endzone. Sage is not that great I'm telling you. He's a very good backup but he does have flaws.
 
SESupergenius said:
ok I just saw the game, and really to call for Sage to be the starter is laughable. Carr had some pretty good pressure from the Rams defense and quite frankly, it wasn't until after that that Texans started calling for screens and outlets for Carr to combat that problem. Carr delivered some pretty good balls and was only off when the pressure got through. When you get pressure like that the QB isn't going to make some 20 yard throw, just look at Bulger, when he got pressure he couln't do squat either. I hate to say this, but our offensive line still isn't good at pass protection, and sure include the TE's and RB's into that protection as well. I saw Carr get nailed by Chavous when he stayed in the pocket, so as far as him falling under pressure, that just didn't happen, Carr stayed there and was looking for receivers and letting the play develop.
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Laughable?!?!?!?...You aren't talking to 12 and 13 yr. old children as they should be in school...i don't think any ideas that have been presented in this thread are laughable...differnt? yes...but not laughable...All that has been said is that Carr was outplayed by his backup...thats a fact...You can factor is all the variables you want as to why that is so but the fact still remains...Why are we so afraid to give Sage a shot with the first team ? Does he not deserve a shot ?
 
speaking of cody's... Senor Pickett didn't get any playing time last week. think he might see some against the broncs? or will they wait until the fourth game before the play him?
 
SESupergenius said:
Sage didn't have nearly the blitzes thrown at him as Carr did and from I saw Sage wasn't really that spectacular. He floated one over the TE's head and got saved by a pass interference call and their rookie CB easily knocked down a pass that he floated to the endzone. Sage is not that great I'm telling you. He's a very good backup but he does have flaws.
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Sage gets the ball up the field so the offense looks different with him at the helm....Carr has a LONG history of not being able to find guys in the middle of the field/down field. I think the offense looks different when Carr is in there.
 
SESupergenius said:
Sage didn't have nearly the blitzes thrown at him as Carr did and from I saw Sage wasn't really that spectacular. He floated one over the TE's head and got saved by a pass interference call and their rookie CB easily knocked down a pass that he floated to the endzone. Sage is not that great I'm telling you. He's a very good backup but he does have flaws.
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And if he has out preformed Carr..What is that saying about Carr ?!? Stop trying to make it look like I'm saying Sage is a beast...Because I don't think he is...I do however believe that he can lead this team better than Carr...I know Carr has more talent than him, but Carr just doesn't play well....simple as that...Sage plays well...Carr doesn't...And Im not going to speak on the bliztes because I don't know it to be true that Sage was blitzed less...I'll just take your word for it....But did you ever stop and think why he was blitzed more ? Maybe the D-coordinator had no respect for him...What would be the harm in seeing what Sage can do with our first unit ?
 
Carr's lack of improvement from last year is on him and Kubiak to date. The team looks a whole lot better, but I do not see anything different from the starting QB. When you put him in a live NFL game he looks very consistent over his tenure and with two different coaching regimes.

Where and when will we see the upside and potential of our fist #1 pick?
 
Vinny said:
Sage gets the ball up the field so the offense looks different with him at the helm....Carr has a LONG history of not being able to find guys in the middle of the field/down field. I think the offense looks different when Carr is in there.
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Well said. The pass from Rosenfeld to D-Lewis was a beauty. Carr just needs to relax, he'll get there.:)
 
Vinny said:
We had a sage card too.
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Didn't Sage get bought by Dillard's?

Lately, I've been trying to remember the name of the place where I bought my Generra threads at in the 80's.
 
phan1 said:
First off, let me say that i am absolutely Pro-Carr as being our franchise QB, and have never waivered in my stance.

That being said, I do believe that he needs to play better, and to be honest, he's been a bit dissapointing. There could be many reasons why Rosenfels is out-playing Carr the last few games. I'll trust Kubiak to handle that. But bottom line is, Carr looks just OK and needs to play better.

I actually haven't seen anything impressive about Carr that he hasn't done before. The typical bootlegs, the short passes, we've seen all that. The only difference is that our TEs are catching some of those short passes instead of just DD (kind of reminiscent of our Billy Miller days).

Our wide recievers don't look like they're getting enough passes, and I haven't seen him throw the ball over the middle or hardly any past 10 yards for that matter. I know the WCO is about short passes and all, but it's not like I've never seen Plummer throw some deep ones. Things just don't look solid. Basically, our offense looks just like it did in season 3 except we have TEs catching the ball. Granted the Oline is a huge improvement but that's about it. It still looks like Carr needs to get "in the zone".
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You saved me a lot of typing, thankyou. I'd thow in we are running better but it has nothing to do with Carr. As far as pre-season, Kubiak went into camp saying no positions were locked including QB. He picked a QB that could compete for the job and payed him a 2mill signing bonus. Positions/Depth is determined in the pre-season! It would be a disservice to Sage to not let him compete for the job. Who is better is determined on the field not by Dollars. There are many players who were 1st last yr. that wont be this year because they have been out played/practiced IN PRE-SEASON. Its because he is the QB that people are making a big deal out of it being pre-season.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
Laughable?!?!?!?...You aren't talking to 12 and 13 yr. old children as they should be in school...i don't think any ideas that have been presented in this thread are laughable...differnt? yes...but not laughable...All that has been said is that Carr was outplayed by his backup...thats a fact...You can factor is all the variables you want as to why that is so but the fact still remains...Why are we so afraid to give Sage a shot with the first team ? Does he not deserve a shot ?
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IF we were looking for a QB.... sure..... but we aren't. We've got our guy, and we're going to make it work. So he needs all the playing time he can get.
 
thunderkyss said:
IF we were looking for a QB.... sure..... but we aren't. We've got our guy, and we're going to make it work. So he needs all the playing time he can get.
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Ok....So in your opinion, when is enough enough ???
 
Battle Red Bull said:
Didn't Sage get bought by Dillard's?

Lately, I've been trying to remember the name of the place where I bought my Generra threads at in the 80's.
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Just remembered... it was Joske's.
 
HOU-TEX said:
Well said. The pass from Rosenfeld to D-Lewis was a beauty. Carr just needs to relax, he'll get there.:)
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I'll be the first to eat my words but the line seems to be holding up it's bargain except when Seth Wand's at LT. DC's the same old uninspired, play it safe DC. So we are going to win Ravens style? Oh boy.
 
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