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Sage is our man
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TexanFanInCC
Veteran
TFL said:
i was displeased with carr's performance. he had plenty of times where he had all the protection in the universe and the best he did was make a hurry-up dumpoff for an incompletion. he was not focused on making reads. he looked very tense. he was making all sorts of unnecessary body movements and not hanging in the pocket long enough.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
Man guys, I am a just a simple fan of football hoping my hometown team is finally a competitor. I could care less whos the QB of this team just as long there is a superbowl trophy in the future soon.
No, lets just make it to the playoffs.
No, lets just have a winning season..
I do hope Carr is the Qb because even though he has had 4 years to prove himself, he hasnt had a fair shake at things because of the past rigime and all his sacks.
But I havent been watching football or played football like some of you guys so can yall just help a simple guy out and answer a question that is plaguing a lot of people.
What is the purpose of preseason?
I always thought it was to get a look at all the guys, and see how they measure up in games that arent meaningful enough to be counted towards the road to the superbowl.
I think too that is is to get a look at guys that should be on the team and practice squad.
I even think that in preseason, even if a player has a lousy or great performance, it doesnt necessarily translate into meaning a player will be lousy or great in the regular season and playoffs.
And get this. I even think that QBs are graded in the regular season and how they perform. The QB controversy is solved then, when the games mean something and they are playing against the same teams.
I am really confused cause I think this, and cant understand why people are ready to tar and feather a guy before his trial has started.
Anyways, feel free to correct me. My feelings wont get hurt.
In the meantime, I am going to watch and see how long you guys are going to compare another QB controversy going on right now to this supposed one...
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamReport?categoryId=67040&type=StrategyAndPersonnel
Battle of the week:first sentence...interesting...
No, lets just make it to the playoffs.
No, lets just have a winning season..
I do hope Carr is the Qb because even though he has had 4 years to prove himself, he hasnt had a fair shake at things because of the past rigime and all his sacks.
But I havent been watching football or played football like some of you guys so can yall just help a simple guy out and answer a question that is plaguing a lot of people.
What is the purpose of preseason?
I always thought it was to get a look at all the guys, and see how they measure up in games that arent meaningful enough to be counted towards the road to the superbowl.
I think too that is is to get a look at guys that should be on the team and practice squad.
I even think that in preseason, even if a player has a lousy or great performance, it doesnt necessarily translate into meaning a player will be lousy or great in the regular season and playoffs.
And get this. I even think that QBs are graded in the regular season and how they perform. The QB controversy is solved then, when the games mean something and they are playing against the same teams.
I am really confused cause I think this, and cant understand why people are ready to tar and feather a guy before his trial has started.
Anyways, feel free to correct me. My feelings wont get hurt.
In the meantime, I am going to watch and see how long you guys are going to compare another QB controversy going on right now to this supposed one...
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/teamReport?categoryId=67040&type=StrategyAndPersonnel
Battle of the week:first sentence...interesting...
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
Thanks for helping a brother out. I heard varios things about DC v. SR.
Everyone agrees that DC got off to a rough start from the blitz but adjusted as things went on. But it has been said by some that it took him too long and that he only did good against the 2nd stringers. Someone also posted Carr did an audible and we had a TD run from it. Is this true?
Then SR lit it up. He was just phenominal in the beginning. But some have said that he started off great but as time wore on, he got a tad bit worse and the last two possessions he was three and out. I thought we were wanting consistency from a QB...
I would love to put what I saw, but I didnt get to watch the game. A squirrel got in my transformer and got lit up! I ended up just seeing DC get sacked bad agianst the Rams defense. Then the power went out, and didnt come back on until Sage threw that TD pass. I had to turn it off. Sorry I have to resort from using other peoples comments from learning things about the players preseason performance.
I think thats what everyone else who is saying bench carr now only saw that too. Even though they had the privelege of watching the whole game and havent realized its the first year of a coaching change, and its preseason.
But I am still drinking the Carr Kool-Aide and havent put the Sage in my spagetti just yet.<---yea i stole those...
I trust Kubiak will put in the right QB to get us to that winning season.
Ibar_Harry
All Pro
Hulk75 said:From the horses mouth..............I guess I am not as crazy as some think. Should I not believe what he is saying? Just the bad stuff I should take for truth.
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On a positive note, Kubiak was pleased with certain aspects of the offensive game such as quarterback David Carrs performance, the running game and overall ball protection. Again, Kubiak stressed the importance of fixing those mistakes as a team for Carr to be able to perform well.
Early in the game David got a few plays that hes going to make for our team to give us a chance to get off to a great start, Kubiak said. He needs some help to make those plays. There are situations where hes got to get the ball to a few receivers, we have to protect him a little better and then we have to make those plays when theyre there. I saw the same thing (as last week), but I did see him settle down and play well in the second quarter. He did a good job right before the second half. He did calm down from that standpoint, but we have to get the front-end corrected.
Is he perfect NO this is a new scheme and the coaches are pleased with what he is doing so far..............
Hulk I have been saying this for the bulk of this thread and it really is crazy what people are seeing. His less than two minute execution at the end of the 1st half was very good. We didn't do that most of the time last year. The missed field goal drive was stopped by an unfortunate play by Lundy. Don't blame Carr for that. He settled down after being hammered at the beginning. As many hits as he's taken its going to be a while before he feels confidence. The big thing is the coaches, the players adjusted to what the RAMS were doing and we won. I reiterate David finished strong and Sage finished weak. We almost lost that game on the last two series. We did nothing at a key point in the game. Our defense held them on the 1 wasn't it. What more can you say, but its a team game.
Bullpen Drew
Rookie
Sage looked really good last night!!
MYDAUGHTER'STEXANS
Waterboy
After 9 pages of threads on this, still comes down to SAGE is garbage, maybe the Texans store will have a dollar sale on the Carr jersey's this week before they start making the # 18 jersey's, Sage is another Bernie Kosar, or Brian Sipe to the Browns, he will come and go just like the wind, so everyone get use to it Carr is the man for now, even if you don't like it.
TK_Gamer
Veteran
many people including myself have said before, David Carr has all the throws. well......he dont , he needs the quick throw to the cutter, he can hit the quick hook the quick screen ( not a good chance of picking up a 3rd and 6 with that one though) I heard Kubiak did alot of slants in training camp but they havent really done much in preseason, so maybe they are saving it for philly, but carr needs that throw, blitzes happen, it doesnt mean you have to get sacked. and since we can be reasonably certain teams will continue to throw 5 guys at carr all year, he REALLY needs that quick drop, quick read, quick release, he has the ability, just needs the poise we have all been talking about. anyone?
First off, let me say that i am absolutely Pro-Carr as being our franchise QB, and have never waivered in my stance.
That being said, I do believe that he needs to play better, and to be honest, he's been a bit dissapointing. There could be many reasons why Rosenfels is out-playing Carr the last few games. I'll trust Kubiak to handle that. But bottom line is, Carr looks just OK and needs to play better.
I actually haven't seen anything impressive about Carr that he hasn't done before. The typical bootlegs, the short passes, we've seen all that. The only difference is that our TEs are catching some of those short passes instead of just DD (kind of reminiscent of our Billy Miller days).
Our wide recievers don't look like they're getting enough passes, and I haven't seen him throw the ball over the middle or hardly any past 10 yards for that matter. I know the WCO is about short passes and all, but it's not like I've never seen Plummer throw some deep ones. Things just don't look solid. Basically, our offense looks just like it did in season 3 except we have TEs catching the ball. Granted the Oline is a huge improvement but that's about it. It still looks like Carr needs to get "in the zone".
That being said, I do believe that he needs to play better, and to be honest, he's been a bit dissapointing. There could be many reasons why Rosenfels is out-playing Carr the last few games. I'll trust Kubiak to handle that. But bottom line is, Carr looks just OK and needs to play better.
I actually haven't seen anything impressive about Carr that he hasn't done before. The typical bootlegs, the short passes, we've seen all that. The only difference is that our TEs are catching some of those short passes instead of just DD (kind of reminiscent of our Billy Miller days).
Our wide recievers don't look like they're getting enough passes, and I haven't seen him throw the ball over the middle or hardly any past 10 yards for that matter. I know the WCO is about short passes and all, but it's not like I've never seen Plummer throw some deep ones. Things just don't look solid. Basically, our offense looks just like it did in season 3 except we have TEs catching the ball. Granted the Oline is a huge improvement but that's about it. It still looks like Carr needs to get "in the zone".
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
Sage is our back up QB. I would like to hear from those who have gone to parctice how he looked against our 1st team D as we will most likely not see him against a first team D this preseason.
I just cannot believe we spent that much money for a QB in this system. I have no doubt that Kubiak will use his philosophy on QB's as he did with RB's. Plug and play all the way.
I just cannot believe we spent that much money for a QB in this system. I have no doubt that Kubiak will use his philosophy on QB's as he did with RB's. Plug and play all the way.
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kingh99
Guest
the wonger need food said:
Umm, Shaun King for the Colts could beat out Carr for the starting spot. Carr has no touch, is unable to think downfield on his feet and other teams know the fastest way to destroy the Texans game plan is to blitz him. He'll settle for dump offs every time and look terrible trying to make the completion. What is that side arm hash he's slinging. Like a said, Shaun King is a more polished passer.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
kingh99 said:
Wonger? Is that you?..
R
real
Guest
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
I don't think its that so much....I think it's more along the lines that Rosefels has just plain looked better thus far...He has outplayed Carr every way conceiveable...Carr has been given a pass based on potential 4 years too long...I am hoping Kubiak lets Sage get some time with the first team against Denver...
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SESupergenius
Guest
MAn this funny. After watching 2 preseason games people want Sage Rosenfels, what has the world come to. I bet these are the same clowns that called for Banks to be the #1 guy, the same Banks that when hand the start last year fell flat on face. The patience level for fans this year is going to be next to nothing, and it's going to be a rotten year for those that think all of our troubles have been solved in 1 off season. How long has Sage been in the league now? 6 years!!! and hasn't been named the solid #1 guy. Step away from the crack bowl people, Sage is an upgrade to Banks, but he's not the leader to the promised land. Once question before I watch the game tonight, I know that Carr was blitzed a few times and that Lundy was in for a big part of that, was Rosenfels blitzed too like that? Moulds said that they were not prepared for blitzes in this preseason game.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
SESupergenius said:
The issue is that Sage looks better than Banks ever did and Carr looks more of the same. The rest of the team is showing marked improvement, but we have not seen anything of the sort from Carr.
Carr is our starter, but to imply that he is head and shoulders above anyone's expectations by bringing in a Sage/Banks analogy is shoddy at best and does not tell the whole story in my opinion.
R
real
Guest
[[Gary Kubiak]] said:
I didn't say bench him...I didn't even say not to start him...I said Sage deserves a shot with the fisrt team...Which he does...it doesn't make sense to not see what he can do with the first team...Why are people so afraid of Sage being better than Carr...If he is better, he deserves to play....
TexanFanInCC
Veteran
KKHouston said:
i thought carr needed to spread the ball more. a few times he had more than enough pressure but the best he did was a little dumpoff. he was too jittery out there. he was making lots of extracurricular body movements. looked tense to me.
I thought Sage showed some good pocket presence out there. IIRC, there was one time a defender was knocked down right at his feet and Sage just stood in there and continued a play.
I think if you watched Ragone play for St. Louis you could also see good pocket presence. We were bringing a lot of pressure against him, and he showed that he has the knack for making slight movements within the pocket while continuing to look down field to try to make the play.
I think if you watched Ragone play for St. Louis you could also see good pocket presence. We were bringing a lot of pressure against him, and he showed that he has the knack for making slight movements within the pocket while continuing to look down field to try to make the play.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
Kaiser Toro said:
Not true. He hasn't wowed anybody yet but he's making better decisions with the ball, throwing it away when there's nothing there, rather than getting sacked or running out of bounds for a loss. One sack, which was primarily Lundy's fault, and 0 INTs; don't care how you slice it, and yes, our O-line is much better, but that's improvement. For all of the griping I endured last year about "Carr sacking himself" ... you'd better note he's not doing that.
I will agree that he isn't playing up to "potential" yet and has looked unsettled at times, but for the most part he is getting the job done just fine. Here too -- for all of the griping I heard last year about "the Carr-led team doesn't win" -- we're 2-0 right now under Carr-led offense.
Sage in practice vs 1st team hasn't been anything memorable by my recollection. He threw a number of bad balls and had a few ripped, but they haven't gone a lot of full pads recently so the defense is not going to get pressure. Sage has looked good in his backup time and I think he remains a very viable backup QB.
Remember, Kubiak has made it pretty clear that he's not afraid to hurt anyone's feelings. If he's convinced that Sage is better than Carr, he'll play him that way.
the wonger need food
All Pro
jerek said:
That's good because if he benches Carr there are going to be a lot of hurt feelings on this board.
I have no doubt that Kubiak will handle the impending QB controversy the right way.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
jerek said:
Yes you are correct, my statement is far away from yours.
jerek
Pro Hobbyist
the wonger need food said:
Eh, probably so. I like Carr, but I'd rather the Texans do everything they can to win, if putting in Rosenfels is part of that.
I think Carr is the rightful starter but I love that I trust our coaching staff will have no problems putting him on the bench if not.
the wonger need food
All Pro
KKHouston said:It certainly doesn't hurt my feelings if you criticize Carr.. (I'll pass on your bait attempt by calling him Davey}. In fact, most of the people posting offer something intelligent on why they feel the way they do. When I read your posts about him, all I see is pot-stirring.
You obviously don't support Kubiak's decision as it stands now. We all understand that. However, the fact remains that Carr is the starter, and will be until Kubiak decides to bench him. You can whine after every game... it's not going to matter. You're not in charge, you won't be, and you're in the minority on your opinion.
Your posts appear to be inflammatory. They don't offer anything on the subject that is new. Obviously, you don't like David Carr. However, if you were a fan as you state you are, you'd understand this is preseason. You'd also understand that not every look is being shown right now. Why show everyone you're improved? Why not keep improving and let the victories do the talking?
If the QB goes into a game not passing for 300+ yards, he's a failure. Putting up 17 points doesn't matter to you. The game was won, and Carr contributed. I don't care if he makes mistakes.... the team still won.
Come back mid-season, and let's see what side of the fence you are on.
Of course I support Kubiak's decisions. Read my signature....
I don't need to come back mid-season... I'll be here all season.
S
SESupergenius
Guest
But put that in context and see that Sage as a backup with starter experience is doing decent against 2nd and 3rd teamers, something he should absolutely do. Carr from what I understand hasn't been crisp, but he hasn't been aweful against 1st teamers. Sage has a career passing rating of 68. Enough said.Kaiser Toro said:
the wonger need food said:
You speak out of both sides of your mouth. If you trust him, you would be calling for a change, Sir. You'd refrain from your pot stirring. You simply don't like Carr for whatever reason, and take any and every shot you get to let us know that. It's funny, in a pathetic kind of way, really.
the wonger need food
All Pro
Hulk75 said:
I played for 10 as well and from my experience you defend Carr no matter how bad he looks so it's pointless to argue your points.
I post on a lot of subjects, not just Carr. Do your research.
A lot more than 3 people agree with me. Did you hear the thousands in Reliant boo'ing Carr last year? If he plays poorly again this year he will be boo'ed again. There are a lot of Texans fans that have lost faith in Carr after watching him play for 4 seasons. Just because they're not posting on this board doesn't mean they don't exist.
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
SESupergenius said:
Carr is our starter, there is no question about that. I just do not see Carr improving as much as some people like to point out here. He has had time, but does not make the throws. He does not appear to go through reads and does not look comfortable. These are intangible measurements against his past four years. Please point to me a measurable that says Carr is really doing X very well.
I am not dogging the guy, I just want to see some improvement out of him as I see with the Oline, TE play, RB blocking, etc.
texan279
Hall of Fame
Let's get the facts straight, we have seen all of two preseason games and neither Carr nor Sage has played a full game yet. Carr in his last game was getting blitzed on what seemed like every play against a 1st team defense and still completed 58% of his passes. Sage has 2 good games against 2nd and 3rd team guys and all of a sudden some think Sage is our answer at QB? Fact is Sage has been in this league for 5 seasons and started what 2 games in those 5 seasons with a career completion percentage of 49.5 and thrown 6 TD's and 6 INT's? If he was really that good I would think he would be starting somewhere in the league. Sage has a couple of good games in the preseason against scrubs and some think he is our saviour sent from above...
the wonger need food
All Pro
KKHouston said:
I believe that Sage deserves reps with the first team. Just like Weary and Peek and even Derick Lewis if they all continue to make plays.
I think Carr is a great guy, just not a very good football player.
What's pathetic is the extremes that people will go to to defend Carr.
Battle Red Flash
Waterboy
WAY to early to make this call. I've heard from Miami fans that Sage always looks good in PRE-season.
I'm sticking with Carr.
I'm sticking with Carr.
TFL
Waterboy
tsip said:
Well the reporter asked him if there was a QB controversy and he said no. Now this may just be me, but if you did not fully beleive in your QB and you wanted to push him you would say there was a Qb controversy that way he would make David work even harder. So it appears he actually likes how David Carr is coming along.
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SESupergenius
Guest
I've only seen the 1 game so far as I will be watching the other one tonight, but what I saw the 1st game was that Carr was looking center field a lot and making quick decisions. His roll out is very good and he really needs to only work on his passiveness in the blitz. I think he's scared to throw a int and thus won't fire it into the receiver and let the receiver make the play.Kaiser Toro said:
Kaiser Toro
Native Mod
SESupergenius said:
Carr looked better the first game, but I was disappointed with his pocket presence on Saturday as there seemed to be fewer roll outs. We know he can roll out and we know that Kubiak likes the roll out. I have always been concerned about him in the pocket and remain as such.