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Sage is our man

Ibar_Harry said:
Again a lot of QB's start slow and even Payton does at times. What I'm judging by is what they did when it was all said and done. When Carr left the game we have a 7 point lead. When the game was over we had a 7 point lead. With less than 2 minutes to go Carr got us down into field goal range and we kicked a field goal with a few seconds left on the clock. That was a game winning type of drive.

His work in the 2nd QTR was quite good. The drives were quality with few mistakes. If I recall correctly the failed 1st drive that lead to the missed field goal actually had a penalty which cost us the drive when we got near the end zone. I believe it was holding by Lundy.

The Team, coaches and Carr had to adjust to what the Rams were doing at the beginning of the game. It always takes some time, especially when you have nothing to study, to figure out what is going to work against your opposition. The Rams are also under new coaching. Sage had the time to watch what was happening by the time he came into the game plus our offensive line had calmed down and was playing well.

Finally, I agree that Sage is not talentless. On the other hand he did not increase the lead but we maintained it and won. However, at the critical juncture of the game the fact is I believe he was 3 and out on the last two drives and we were lucky to win with a fine goal line stand. Yes, he began strong, but he finished weak. Carr began weak, but finished strong. I guess its all in the eyes of the beholder.

Think a little bit because there is more to this game. We all have our prejudices and I certainly have mine. I think Carr is a lot better than many of you will ever understand.
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Carr is as good as he performs on the field. Potential does not win games. Prejudice??? I, like your gf, have been a Carr supporter from the git go and still am. However, I refuse to put on blinders. Also, the Texas used to have a reputation as a fast starting team. They have produced long opening drives on many occasions. I am baffled by the Carr/Payton comparison.
 
Jwwillis said:
They have produced long opening drives on many occasions.
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Not sure where you got that, but my perception has been exactly opposit of that. Usually taking 1-3 series to get it in gear.
 
I just watched the game again and Carr was just bad. A majority of his yards came on YAC and a couple of passes to AJ right before the half when the Rams were in prevent. On several occassions he had lots of time for plays to develop and chose to dump it underneath. On the sack he had room to step up into the pocket but chose to run into the defender. I don't know if he is playing scared or just doesn't grasp the position. Either way, Sage looks much competent.
 
tsip said:
Ok, he's not getting sacked now plus all the new 'great' things around him, so when will we see different results on the field by Carr?...just curious.
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What different results are you waiting for? So far, I've only seen the first game and he looked fine to me in that game. He didn't play badly.

From just the stats and what I've heard people saying, he didn't have a bad half last night. We had a 7 point lead that should have been 10 points when he walked off the field. I would have preferred to see more than 99 yards passing in the half but if he gets 200 yards per game for all 16 games, that's 3200 yards which is nothing to sneeze at; I'd prefer a bit more but it's not bad. He's still getting this system down and he's got a coach that's showing him what he's doing wrong.

So everything seems to be working out fine to me.

What has he done this pre-season that makes you think he should be benched?
 
Jwwillis said:
Sounds like all you are saying is the o-line is learning faster than Carr.
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Huh? No. I'm saying that this coaching staff is using the players better than the old coaching staff. This coaching staff seems (at least at this point) to be putting players into positions where they can be successful and that the o-line is working better as a team than they have in the past.
 
lod01 said:
Common sense. Who wants to play with a QB that sucks? AJ was totally frustrated last year at Mr. 'I am running out of bounds for a loss' Carr.

I will GUARANTEE that Carr finds the pine this year not due to injury but due to his vast suckiness. Prove me wrong if you can. He has no excuses left.
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Okay...... :tease:

Bets? Would you like the same bet I offered someone else today................
 
the wonger need food said:
I just watched the game again and Carr was just bad. A majority of his yards came on YAC and a couple of passes to AJ right before the half when the Rams were in prevent. On several occassions he had lots of time for plays to develop and chose to dump it underneath. On the sack he had room to step up into the pocket but chose to run into the defender. I don't know if he is playing scared or just doesn't grasp the position. Either way, Sage looks much competent.
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Okay nobody agreed with you earlier and you had a whole thread about, do you think it matters now that you said "I watched it again".
From Doc earlier.............He typed out what he saw, I guess we will just take your word for it.:)
1st pass play - incomplete now route/wr screen to AJ. Carr threw this ball just a tad too high, as it really wouldn't have left AJ in the greatest position to make a great play. Nevertheless, it would have been a solid gain if AJ didn't have oven mitts on. He leaped maybe just a few inches, grabbed the ball, brought it in and bounced it off his own chest. Bad play by AJ.

2nd pass play - seven step drop; immediately upon planting his back foot for the seventh step, the blitzer is in his face (Lundy's missed block). Carr tries to scramble away, but the defender does his job. I see no fault with Carr on this play and it even looked like he kept his eyes upfield a bit more than he might have in the past.

3rd pass play - this play is harder to assign blame. The O-line held up well and Carr makes his progression reads well. You can see him checking at least four options before #70 finally gives in and his man collapses into the pocket. Carr dances outside, behind Spencer, and wisely throws the ball at the feet of a covered receiver. Spencer did a fine job of pass pro on this play, by the way.

4th pass play - seven step drop; #72 is losing his battle as Carr is making his drop. With #72's assignment getting to him quickly, Carr has to release the ball sooner than he'd like. Carr kept his eyes downfield, turning to AJ's crossing route as he releases the ball. I think Carr could possibly have placed the ball a bit better, but he also wanted to lead AJ a bit. All in all, a good play by the defense, or a bad play by #72. I guess those of you who are hell-bent on finding bad things about Carr can say he placed the ball poorly. However, this is one of those plays where if we had been on defense and our guys had pressured the QB into throwing early, we'd be lauding the defensive effort. You can't have it both ways.

5th pass play - seven step drop; left tackle doesn't do a great job, but the FB does an even worse job. Carr steps up between the rushing defenders and delivers the screen pass to Lundy. If you watch the LB on the reverse angle, you can tell that Carr/Lundy didn't sell the handoff very well. Those of you who have to fault Carr on every play can point to that if you like.

6th pass play - this is the long screen to Putzier. Carr looks the defense off and then throws to Putzier at just the right time. Well-designed play and perfect execution.

7th pass play - this one got called back because Lundy held. Play-action handoff with a pass to Bennie Joppru. Well-designed play and executed well. Carr sells the play-action better than in the screen to Lundy and Joppru does a nice job. Carr delivers the ball with nice touch as well, which is nice to see. Lundy can't block, ugh.

8th pass play - 5-step or 7-step drop (I forgot to count when I was making notes, but it wasn't a 3-step); slant to AJ. Carr looks to AJ, looks back to mid-field, then back to AJ as he delivers the ball. It seems obvious to me that AJ was the first read and this is something that opposing teams will see on film. Good positive play, but I don't like Carr's placement. It's a bit high and he doesn't lead AJ like you would hope to see. On the other hand, AJ got jammed hard and had to fight early in the route, so that threw off the timing. I'm not sure how much of the placement was on Carr here.

9th pass play - play-action rollout. Lundy does a poor job overall here, but it's good coverage downfield. Lundy's man is charging hard at Carr, who turns on the speed, trying to buy time. Carr wisely throws it away, with no one open.

10th pass play - seven step drop; Carr is making multiple reads. Unblocked blitzer creams Carra s he's delivering ball. I don't see any fault with Carr whatsoever on this play. The Rams showed blitz pre-snap and Carr stood in there making his reads and trusting his protection. Last year, I think we'd have seen happy feet on this play. Negative play, but I liked Carr on this play.


Anyway, I know many of you Tivo the games and re-watch them with a more critical eye, so chime in and comment on my observations. I saw some minor flaws in Carr's game, as noted above, but in those plays, I honestly didn't see one bad decision at all. I'd like to see some better touch on the ball at times and I think his placement could use some precision adjustment, but for the most part, Carr did a good job.

I like what Sage did as well, but I am not going to overlook the pressure that Carr faced for most of the first half, whereas Sage faced next to no pressure. The O-line did a pretty good job with the pressure and it looked like they passed off assignments well, from my limited observations.
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Hulk75 said:
Okay nobody agreed with you earlier and you had a whole thread about, do you think it matters now that you said "I watched it again".
From Doc earlier.............He typed out what he saw, I guess we will just take your word for it.:)
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I don't really care what anyone else saw. I see a scared QB that doesn't grasp the offense. I believe the term coach Kubiak used was "shaky". Sure, he led the team to a TD drive against a 2nd string defense, but this does not impress me.

I know there are a lot of people that get their feelings hurt when someone criticizes Carr, and it's understandable given that he's the face of the franchise. I just hope that the fans stop coddling Carr this year. He is not showing improvement and that's what we need to be judging his performance on in the preseason. And until he starts consistently winning regular season games he will continue to be criticized. It's nothing personal towards his fans or him... it's the business (and fandom) of NFL football.
 
the wonger need food said:
I don't really care what anyone else saw. I see a scared QB that doesn't grasp the offense. I believe the term coach Kubiak used was "shaky". Sure, he led the team to a TD drive against a 2nd string defense, but this does not impress me.

I know there are a lot of people that get their feelings hurt when someone criticizes Carr, and it's understandable given that he's the face of the franchise. I just hope that the fans stop coddling Carr this year. He is not showing improvement and that's what we need to be judging his performance on in the preseason. And until he starts consistently winning regular season games he will continue to be criticized. It's nothing personal towards his fans or him... it's the business (and fandom) of NFL football.
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Gotta love the implication ... anyone who watches tape and disagrees with you is a fan "coddling" Carr.

You're consistent if nothing else wonger.
 
Luv_ya_blue said:
Was Carr sacked last night??
I know it's off subject....but I couldn't see the game and I didn't see whether anyone mentioned it or not.
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1 sack. Rapidly collapsing pocket that he might have been able to avoid, might not. A tough judgment call IMO, but that is my recollection; I don't have the tape yet.
 
jerek said:
Gotta love the implication ... anyone who watches tape and disagrees with you is a fan "coddling" Carr.

You're consistent if nothing else wonger.
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Thanks Jerek.

Sorry, I don't mean to hurt feelings, but I just don't see any improvement in Carr's game. And last night I saw a much better QB in Rosenfels. Unlike a lot of people I am a Texans fan and want what's best for the team, not what's best for an individual player or his fans.
 
the wonger need food said:
I don't really care what anyone else saw. I see a scared QB that doesn't grasp the offense. I believe the term coach Kubiak used was "shaky". Sure, he led the team to a TD drive against a 2nd string defense, but this does not impress me.

I know there are a lot of people that get their feelings hurt when someone criticizes Carr, and it's understandable given that he's the face of the franchise. I just hope that the fans stop coddling Carr this year. He is not showing improvement and that's what we need to be judging his performance on in the preseason. And until he starts consistently winning regular season games he will continue to be criticized. It's nothing personal towards his fans or him... it's the business (and fandom) of NFL football.
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You dont care what anyone else saw............that did it for me right there.

My bro Doc gives a 10 paragraph summary on what really happened and you come here and say "He always does this and that, its his fault, so on so on so on............". Back it up with reall liget argument.

"He sucks, start Sage"...................Okay:)

What are you so worried about anyways isnt Sage going to be the starter soon? You should be happy!:rolleyes:

not what's best for an individual player or his fans.
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Thats funny, some of us just know football and see bs when we read it.
 
jerek said:
1 sack. Rapidly collapsing pocket that he might have been able to avoid, might not. A tough judgment call IMO, but that is my recollection; I don't have the tape yet.
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Actually, it was a LB blitz off right tackle that Lundi failed to pick up. If Carr steps a little left and up there is a nice pocket. He chose to step back and right, into the LB.

They almost got him on another blitz up the middle but it was an incomplete pass. Other than those 2 instances he generally had a lot of time to throw.
 
Hulk75 said:
You dont care what anyone else saw............that did it for me right there.

My bro Doc gives a 10 paragraph summary on what really happened and you come here and say "He always does this and that, its his fault, so on so on so on............". Back it up with reall liget argument.

"He sucks, start Sage"...................Okay:)

What are you so worried about anyways isnt Sage going to be the starter soon? You should be happy!:rolleyes:

Thats funny, some of us just know football and see bs when we read it.
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Hulk, it doesn't matter how bad Carr plays, you will defend him until your death. You've been doing it since day one and it's very admirable.

And I don't care if Duck types up 50 paragraphs on what he saw. I've been watching and following all levels of football for 30+ years. Unless Coach Kubiak or Coach Calhoun comes in here and corrects me I believe that I am right. I believe "shaky" is a good description for Carr at this point in the preseason and his career.
 
tsip said:
...rule change in the NFL on QB fumble--if the QB's arm is hit BEFORE the arm comes forward and the ball is knocked out, it's a fumble even if the QB's arm continues forward
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eeeeewwwwwww ........ damn that Tom Brady...... damn him to hell.....


this is not good for QBs.
 
Luv_ya_blue said:
I know that I asked this last week and got BOMBARDED with
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"feelings of hostility"
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and I'm not trying to "side" with anyone in this debate. Neither am I going to pretend that I've read the exhaustive nature of this thread, but I would like to ask again...somewhat expecting to get the same "feelings of hostility".


"What would it really hurt to start SR in the place of DC in next weeks game? Just to see how he does against the 1st team D."

I sort of feel a QB controversy of sorts that may be brewing, whether it's ever addressed or not.

I mean, if WE CAN SEE the things that we see, with our limited experiences with the game and without ANY real knowledge of what's going on "behind the scenes," can you imagine how some of the players are feeling about this same thing???
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While I can see that it would be a good thing to start Sage to see what he can do. I have yet to see Carr get into any kind of rhythm in the offense, and I feel that until we see a solid start from him in the preseason he is going to be the one we see starting. That is unless he gets the hook which I doubt happens.

I too want to see what Sage can do, but just remember that the grass is not always greener an all that. :deadhorse
 
The best QB should play period. David has done really nothing to earn unyeilding loyalty. I just trust the coach to know when to give Sage his chance. I just hope you guys dont butcher him when he starts to make the same mistakes too. I have seen him make a few very bad choices that were not picked off but should have been.
 
the wonger need food said:
Hulk, it doesn't matter how bad Carr plays, you will defend him until your death. You've been doing it since day one and it's very admirable.

And I don't care if Duck types up 50 paragraphs on what he saw. I've been watching and following all levels of football for 30+ years. Unless Coach Kubiak or Coach Calhoun comes in here and corrects me I believe that I am right. I believe "shaky" is a good description for Carr at this point in the preseason and his career.
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There's no stopping this thread. But I do agree that Carr needs to play an exceptional game....if for no other reason than to provide a break in this never ending cycle. AAAAHHHHHHH!
 
Jay Cutler, Denver's 1st round pick in '06, is learning the same offense as Carr. After 2 games, their stats are--


Carr 13/22 122 59.1 0 0 74.4

Cutler 22/34 291 64.7 2 0 111.3

It should be fun this weekend as these QB's will go head to head in Denver.


LEGEND--
Comp/Att Yds %comp TD INT QBRating
 
tsip said:
...rule change in the NFL on QB fumble--if the QB's arm is hit BEFORE the arm comes forward and the ball is knocked out, it's a fumble even if the QB's arm continues forward
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This is not a new rule--it has been around as part of the tuck rule for quite a while. For example, from 2001:

By rule, a "tuck" is an incomplete pass, not a fumble. Whether Warner intended to throw the ball or to stop his motion is irrelevant. The ball was in his hand when his arm was moving forward and, by rule, it is an incomplete pass.

A fumble would have been the ruling if:

1) Warner's arm had been hit before forward motion had begun. He then would have been throwing what is called an "empty hand."

OR

2) Warner had fully brought the ball into his body before it fell loose.
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/4599234
 
tsip said:
Jay Cutler, Denver's 1st round pick in '06, is learning the same offense as Carr. After 2 games, their stats are--


Carr 13/22 122 59.1 0 0 74.4

Cutler 22/34 291 64.7 2 0 111.3

It should be fun this weekend as these QB's will go head to head in Denver.


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I think Cutler is playing second stringers just like Rosenfels. Could be wrong though
 
Luv_ya_blue said:
So is there no brave soul that is willing to reply to the PURELY HYPOTHETICAL "CONSPIRACY THEORY" of a notion that I proposed back in #125.

I realize that it's only a theory and is founded in NO symblance of reality or proof...but HEY, so is many of the things in this thread! lol

Actually it was just a thought that I had while reading some of your posts...and I would be curious to hear your thoughts.

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LYB , you must develop a secret code to talk about benching Carr freely on this board . What was the German decoder in WW11 that we swiped ? Anyways you have to have a secret bench Carr code to survive .
 
I love David Carr..... I think he is our best option at QB..... but two things need to happen.

#1wonger needs to realize Carr didn't cost us this game. No mistake he's made led to us losing the game.

#2 Some folks need to admit Carr threw a bad past into the back of a DB..... for whatever reason. & Carr didn't step up(or up & to the left) in the pocket.
..... Big deal, not very good reasons to bench your starting QB. David looks better this week, than he did last week. I expect him to look better next week, the week after, and the week after that....... that's the benefit of playing with the first team in the preseason.
 
thunderkyss said:
#2 Some folks need to admit Carr threw a bad past into the back of a DB..... for whatever reason.
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If we are thinking about the same play it looked like a miscommunication IMO. Carr expected AJ to come underneath the DB and have his body between the ball and the DB--instead AJ got hung up a little and went behind the DB.
 
Luv_ya_blue said:
"What would it really hurt to start SR in the place of DC in next weeks game? Just to see how he does against the 1st team D."

I sort of feel a QB controversy of sorts that may be brewing, whether it's ever addressed or not.

I mean, if WE CAN SEE the things that we see, with our limited experiences with the game and without ANY real knowledge of what's going on "behind the scenes," can you imagine how some of the players are feeling about this same thing???
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Carr needs the work........ I'm really surprised that he hasn't played more than what he has in the preseason. Carr plays with the first team, because he will be starting with the first team. Sage is the backup........ bottom line.
If we have Sage play with the first team, then that just takes reps away from Carr(who like I said, needs it).

Next week(week 3) the first team should play into the second half...... It would be a testament to Sage, if he starts the second half, with the first team. At the same time, we'll be saying,"Carr has done his job, no need to risk getting him hurt, so the rest of the team can get some experience".... so we won't be inviting a QB controversy...... like we would, if we start Sage in the first half.
 
Since next week's game is on Sunday, that gives us an extra day to push this thread past the "Now do I seem ridiculous" thread's 22 page mark .....
 
the wonger need food said:
Actually, it was a LB blitz off right tackle that Lundi failed to pick up. If Carr steps a little left and up there is a nice pocket. He chose to step back and right, into the LB.

They almost got him on another blitz up the middle but it was an incomplete pass. Other than those 2 instances he generally had a lot of time to throw.
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I wouldn't say he "generally had a lot of time" to throw. "Adequate" maybe, but "a lot" ... nah. I might try to record an average time when I get ahold of the tape ... I don't have DVR just yet. But IIRC there was a lot of blitzing going on when Carr was on the game ... much moreso than when Sage was in, for that matter. That's my impression and not a factual tape review, so take FWIW.
 
infantrycak said:
If we are thinking about the same play it looked like a miscommunication IMO. Carr expected AJ to come underneath the DB and have his body between the ball and the DB--instead AJ got hung up a little and went behind the DB.
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I'm trying sooo hard to be on good behavior here, but I doubt he had his eyes open on that one. & I'm sure Kubiak didn't see it that way as he chewed him out on the sideline right after the play.
 
thunderkyss said:
Carr needs the work........ I'm really surprised that he hasn't played more than what he has in the preseason. Carr plays with the first team, because he will be starting with the first team. Sage is the backup........ bottom line.
If we have Sage play with the first team, then that just takes reps away from Carr(who like I said, needs it).

Next week(week 3) the first team should play into the second half...... It would be a testament to Sage, if he starts the second half, with the first team. At the same time, we'll be saying,"Carr has done his job, no need to risk getting him hurt, so the rest of the team can get some experience".... so we won't be inviting a QB controversy...... like we would, if we start Sage in the first half.
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I believe the plan is to play Carr most of the next game. That's at least what has been quoted from Kubiak. Sage is to play most of the game against Tampa including starting.
 
Luv_ya_blue said:
I appreciate your response to my "thoughts." But I would like it if you addressed my second post in #125 as well. Would like your thoughts on it as well.
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He may very well not fit........ on paper, he is the right guy, so if it doesn't work out, it's mental..... like telling Morency to quit with the shake and bake(which is exactly what a lot of teams are looking for)......

He's got the arm, he's got the athleticism(sp), and we think he's smart enough. I think right now, we've got to see if he can process the info as fast as it is coming at him. and on a couple of occasions, it's looking like he's throwing the ball because his internal clock is ticking............ loud. But, IMHO that's fine, as long as he gets rid of the ball, and don't take a sack. I'd like to see him throw that ball higher, where either AJ can make a play on it, or put enough on it where it will sail into the stands(like Manning does).

I don't know how stubborn Kubiak is, but I'm sure he is used to winning....... He might go a couple of weeks with David screwing things up for us, but if David becomes the main problem on offense, I have on doubt he'll yank him.
 
the wonger need food said:
I don't really care what anyone else saw. I see a scared QB that doesn't grasp the offense. I believe the term coach Kubiak used was "shaky". Sure, he led the team to a TD drive against a 2nd string defense, but this does not impress me.
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Thank goodness you're not in a position that matters, and the Texans don't care about you being impressed.

You know.. there is a team in Dallas, if you want to leave now...
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I dont understand why so many people bash Carr. The guy has done nothing but take a beating because of probable 3 of the worst Olines in NFL history. Find me one other QB except McNair that can get sacked as many times as Carr every season and still play almost every down of the season. And Mcnair can no longer do that. Carr has a very good arm and shows very good potential now that we have what looks to be our best Oline yet. With molds now in the mix that opens up Johnson alot more and that could be big. I think Carr is gonna have his best season yet. As for all the Vince Young lovers out there I am sure the Titans are looking for some more fans. Vinces little wrsit flick release is not gonna work in the NFL and his running will change after the first big hit he takes. Now just remeber this is my opinion and I am no pro but this is how I feel and I am sick of hearing all our fans bash the one player that has showed nothing but heart out there on the field every game.
 
I have to say I am more than impressed with Sage's poise and delivery of the football. He looks a lot more in charge than Carr. I think we need to give serious consideration to letting Sage run the team if Carr continues to look flustered and like a rookie. The guy still looks totally out of control and just kinda sucks. He did do a good job getting rid of the ball and not taking sacks.

I think Carr sucks but that is not news. Bottom line is that I want the Texan's to have the best guy starting, and based on what I have seen, it is SAGE.

doug from the woodlands
 
thunderkyss said:
I'm trying sooo hard to be on good behavior here, but I doubt he had his eyes open on that one. & I'm sure Kubiak didn't see it that way as he chewed him out on the sideline right after the play.
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Just watched it again and these sideline chewing reports are propagating like roaches. AJ turns the route inside and runs smooth into the DB and stops instead of turning either underneath or over the top of him and continuing the route. There is no way that route is how it was drawn up--it does appear to be a poor decision by Carr as well since AJ is in contact with the DB when the ball is thrown. Carr walks to the sideline making a hand gesture with both hands going outward (I expected AJ to run one side or the other?) and Kubiak with no visible facial expression or indication of volume says 3-4 words to him. It's called coaching--every time someone speaks to the coach it isn't a chewing out.
 
Luv_ya_blue said:
I've heard almost everyone at some point in time mention "Kubiak's System."

Another question... "WHAT IF" CARR is a poor fit for Kubiak's system and Kubiak knew this all along and THAT is actually why he brought SR in???

It's just a question. I mean if RB's & WR's & TE's & Lineman & etc. etc. etc. can NOT be a fit in his system...can't our beloved DC be a poor fit as well?

Just a question!!!! Don't start slinging poop at me!
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I don't think the team would have spent $8 million if this was the case! Heck, they even had a $5+ million option they could have used... No, I think Kubiak bought into the theory that Carr had been poorly coached in a horrible offensive scheme with a marginal cast around him--change all that and we've got the brand new Carr...but,wait, something is not right
 
I am very suprised at the level of Rosenfels play, pleasantly suprised.

That pass to Lewis for a TD, pure buttah baby! That was just beautiful....:drool: I would like to see some more of that. :)

Everyone is still wound tighter than heck here, getcha some Battle Red Koolaid and sit back for a bit. Does wonders for the Texan fan soul. I may even have to partake in some, it has been a bit warm lately and it just sounds like the right thing to do. David is the 8mil QB who will start regardless, unless something major happens. I know that he is the raison d'etre for some, and a point of contention for others.

Still Preseason, fellow Rabid BattleRed fanatics. Keep that in mind.
 
infantrycak said:
Just watched it again and these sideline chewing reports are propagating like roaches. AJ turns the route inside and runs smooth into the DB and stops instead of turning either underneath or over the top of him and continuing the route. There is no way that route is how it was drawn up--it does appear to be a poor decision by Carr as well since AJ is in contact with the DB when the ball is thrown. Carr walks to the sideline making a hand gesture with both hands going outward (I expected AJ to run one side or the other?) and Kubiak with no visible facial expression or indication of volume says 3-4 words to him. It's called coaching--every time someone speaks to the coach it isn't a chewing out.
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After a bad throw, a discussion with the coach is usually a butt chewing. After a throw like that....... it's usually a well deserved butt chewing.

But that's Ok....... I'd much rather see a butt chewing, than no butt chewing.
 
infantrycak said:
Just watched it again and these sideline chewing reports are propagating like roaches. AJ turns the route inside and runs smooth into the DB and stops instead of turning either underneath or over the top of him and continuing the route. There is no way that route is how it was drawn up--it does appear to be a poor decision by Carr as well since AJ is in contact with the DB when the ball is thrown. Carr walks to the sideline making a hand gesture with both hands going outward (I expected AJ to run one side or the other?) and Kubiak with no visible facial expression or indication of volume says 3-4 words to him. It's called coaching--every time someone speaks to the coach it isn't a chewing out.
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Infantrycake I appreciate the comments. A lot of things have to happen for an offense to be good and sometimes it requires a bad defense. The difference in timing between a great catch and an interception at times is minute. This ball club is going somewhere. I feel that Carr is necessary if we are going to get there. Yes, he's big and strong and has some weaknesses, but you have to have someone who can take a beating in the NFL these days. QB's like Tarkington - as elusive as he was - simply wouldn't survive. These QB's are almost as big as the DE's anymore. It is indeed a very physical game and if you have been hammered as many times as Carr it takes a while to get use to being able to avoid the hit. Its easier to avoid 1, than it is the whole team.
 
NYTEXANFAN23 said:
I dont understand why so many people bash Carr. The guy has done nothing but take a beating because of probable 3 of the worst Olines in NFL history. Find me one other QB except McNair that can get sacked as many times as Carr every season and still play almost every down of the season. And Mcnair can no longer do that. Carr has a very good arm and shows very good potential now that we have what looks to be our best Oline yet. With molds now in the mix that opens up Johnson alot more and that could be big. I think Carr is gonna have his best season yet. As for all the Vince Young lovers out there I am sure the Titans are looking for some more fans. Vinces little wrsit flick release is not gonna work in the NFL and his running will change after the first big hit he takes. Now just remeber this is my opinion and I am no pro but this is how I feel and I am sick of hearing all our fans bash the one player that has showed nothing but heart out there on the field every game.
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Since this is your first post i'll be a little easy on you. For starters, Carr's production has not nor will ever be because of VY so please don't keep bringing up his name (VY) because Carr is playing inconsistent (for his career). And that last sentence wasn't just for you (you know who you are). The draft is over and time to move on. In Carr's defense, he is learning a new offense and not an easy one either. It's just the preseason. The wins are good for morale. Anyone that thinks other wise is kidding themselves. I'll admit I am no Carr fan but i'm anxious to see how he does with this type of offense. I think Carr would do well playing in an offense like, ironically, the Rams. Carr is a gunslinger type of QB so his transition to the WCO is and will be a process that takes time. Carr has not impressed but it is the preseason. And I will hold off any thoughts of his play until about half way through the NFL season.
 
KKHouston said:
Thank goodness you're not in a position that matters, and the Texans don't care about you being impressed.

You know.. there is a team in Dallas, if you want to leave now...
:lightbulb:
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As I stated previously, I am a fan of the Texans and could not care less who the QB of the team is as long as they win. Apparantly a lot of people's feelings get hurt when someone criticizes Davey Carr and that's understandable. But if he is not improving at this point in his career this is something to concerned about as a fan. Apparantly Coach Kubiak isn't very impressed with Carr's performance either... maybe he should find another team to coach.
 
Luv_ya_blue]

"I sort of feel a QB controversy of sorts that may be brewing, whether it's ever addressed or not."

Only in a couple of posters minds.


"I mean, if WE CAN SEE the things that we see, with our limited experiences with the game and without ANY real knowledge of what's going on "behind the scenes," can you imagine how some of the players are feeling about this same thing?"

You are correct ..you obviously have limited experience (probably from watching from an easy chair) and without any real knowledge of whats going on behind the scenes."..:)

I imagine the players are cheering for Carr, happy to see him receiving and responding to decent coaching. :yahoo:

See how easy it is to imagine things.

I definitely do not see the same things you proclaim to see.

:coffee:
 
the wonger need food said:
As I stated previously, I am a fan of the Texans and could not care less who the QB of the team is as long as they win. Apparantly a lot of people's feelings get hurt when someone criticizes Davey Carr and that's understandable. But if he is not improving at this point in his career this is something to concerned about as a fan. Apparantly Coach Kubiak isn't very impressed with Carr's performance either... maybe he should find another team to coach.
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It certainly doesn't hurt my feelings if you criticize Carr.. (I'll pass on your bait attempt by calling him Davey}. In fact, most of the people posting offer something intelligent on why they feel the way they do. When I read your posts about him, all I see is pot-stirring.

You obviously don't support Kubiak's decision as it stands now. We all understand that. However, the fact remains that Carr is the starter, and will be until Kubiak decides to bench him. You can whine after every game... it's not going to matter. You're not in charge, you won't be, and you're in the minority on your opinion.

Your posts appear to be inflammatory. They don't offer anything on the subject that is new. Obviously, you don't like David Carr. However, if you were a fan as you state you are, you'd understand this is preseason. You'd also understand that not every look is being shown right now. Why show everyone you're improved? Why not keep improving and let the victories do the talking?

If the QB goes into a game not passing for 300+ yards, he's a failure. Putting up 17 points doesn't matter to you. The game was won, and Carr contributed. I don't care if he makes mistakes.... the team still won.

Come back mid-season, and let's see what side of the fence you are on.


:fortune:
 
the wonger need food said:
Hulk, it doesn't matter how bad Carr plays, you will defend him until your death. You've been doing it since day one and it's very admirable.

And I don't care if Duck types up 50 paragraphs on what he saw. I've been watching and following all levels of football for 30+ years. Unless Coach Kubiak or Coach Calhoun comes in here and corrects me I believe that I am right. I believe "shaky" is a good description for Carr at this point in the preseason and his career.
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watching for 30 years wow............I have been playing for 15 years and have had try outs with 2 NFL teams, playing and watching are 2 different things, time to get a new hobby. From my experience your wrong PERIOD

Let me know when I have said 1 thing that was not true about David Carr or anyone else for that matter.

Hey like I say, you have nothing to be mad at you will be right around....What week 6?........ Sage will be the starter and I will be the guy that does not know anything. So you say right?

I know you as well...............You have been trying to get at Carr for years now, thats the only thing I have ever seen you do, cause you want to be the guy to say I told you so, and I think that is low.

Your just upset that there are probably 3 people that agree with you.
 
jerek said:
I think we can safely say that if Sage is the Man, then Kubiak will start him. I think Kubiak has made his position on favortism very clear.
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It would be interesting if he started Rosenfels in the preseason. It might light a fire under Carr's butt and help resolve fan questions.

I do not think Carr is like "what's his name" formerly of Detroit. I think Carr has toughness, athleticism, and good decision making (considering his weakness which is post traumatic stress syndrome). He needs to unlearn what he has learned from the previous coaching staff and from the previous line problems.

Is it too much work? Well, there is a lot invested in him, and I think he deserves at least a year to show progress before everyone throws him out. He has already shown progress. I see no reason why he could not be in the top five of AFC quarterbacks...albeit #5.

Manning (not as good but still the best)
Brady (finally getting some 'spect which could be bad luck for him)
Green (going conservative)
Palmer (recovering)
Plummer (lost Kubiak/Cutler is a clue)
Culpepper (no moss the sequel)
Brooks (how is this an upgrade from last year? it's not)
McNair (why is he not in Tennessee anymore?/Ravens are desperate)
Leftwich (maybe if he had Johnson/Moulds)
Roethlisberger (his accident was like an allegory for the Steelers upcoming post Super Bowl season)
Volek (he will surprise, but he is in a no win situation)
Losman/Holcomb (enough said...just ask Eric Moulds)
Frye (see Chicago's quarterback situation last year)
Rivers (he will be very good at handing the ball to Tomlinson)
Jets QB (please)
 
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