Ryans Robinson arent going to report

[Pantherstang84]

Maybe you believe no American has the right to strike or participate in a work-stoppage if they feel they're not being fairly compensated.

Look, I see it like this: Harry Williams can no longer play any more. He's lucky he can walk again. Dunta nearly had his career ended once already. So the old mantra, "any play could be your last" is no longer an abstract for him. For those who say, "well play this year and for sure they'll pay you next year" assumes they survive to play next year. We've all seen that that's no given.

Its not like they're the first and only guys to not go to team-sponsored conditioning sessions. ...didn't T.O. skip the first of the Bills voluntary team drills? I'm sure he's not the only one to do so this year or in prior years.

And like TC posted, they said they'd be there when it counted. As long as they show up in shape and ready to go, so what if they skip this?

I believe Dunta was offered a nice long term deal that he rejected. This forced the Texans to tag him. Now he is being a little baby about it.

I also believe Demeco will get his deal but he needs to be patient and quit being a baby about it.

Look. The Texans have a good history of taking care of their players. Do these 2 clowns think they will not be? Really?

Just shut up, turn off Madden, and get your butts back to work already. They are really starting to sound like Cutler here. Listening to their agents are really making them look like babies.

 

[Runner]

I've seen a few comments about how these players are letting down the "team". I don't think they are, unless team is defined as management and the front office. I'm pretty darn sure that the vast majority of players side with the other players on this.

I think with Demeco the case could easily be made that the front office is letting down the "team" by increasing the likelihood that he walks when his current contract is up.

In the end those, this is just NFL business as usual.

 

[ObsiWan]

I've seen a few comments about how these players are letting down the "team". I don't think they are, unless team is defined as management and the front office. I'm pretty darn sure that the vast majority of players side with the other players on this.

I think with Demeco the case could easily be made that the front office is letting down the "team" by increasing the likelihood that he walks when his current contract is up.

In the end those, this is just NFL business as usual.

Exactly, so what's the big deal?
for all we know, this is a smokescreen by both players to take just a little more vacation time...
If they were REEEALLY pissed about their contracts, they'd be talking about holding out for the whole season. Or signing the "pay me or trade me" mantra.
They aren't.
Yeah.... The more I think about it, it seems like a smokescreen for a bit more R&R time to me.

 

[infantrycak]

Exactly, so what's the big deal?
for all we know, this is a smokescreen by both players to take just a little more vacation time...
If they were REEEALLY pissed about their contracts, they'd be talking about holding out for the whole season. Or signing the "pay me or trade me" mantra.
They aren't.
Yeah.... The more I think about it, it seems like a smokescreen for a bit more R&R time to me.

I think everyone is complicating this too much and ascribing way too much fault/ill intent to their chosen side. These are negotiations with big numbers. Obviously Dunta and DeMeco want more and the Texans want to pay less. The two sides are posturing to see who will blink. This is ordinary, everyday business stuff. Folks need to simmer down and wait it out.

Dunta's situation is interesting with the gambles involved. On the one side there is a risk he never gets all the way back to even his prior level. On the other hand there is a risk he comes back and makes his first pro bowl--guaranteed he wants franchise CB money then.

 

[GP]

Exactly, so what's the big deal?
for all we know, this is a smokescreen by both players to take just a little more vacation time...
If they were REEEALLY pissed about their contracts, they'd be talking about holding out for the whole season. Or signing the "pay me or trade me" mantra.
They aren't.
Yeah.... The more I think about it, it seems like a smokescreen for a bit more R&R time to me.

**slow clap**

That's part of why I dislike what they're doing, Obsi.

"Hey guys! We're alright, so just keep the place running for us. See ya' when camp begins!"

Two sets of rules: One set for Dunta and DeMeco, another set for everyone else. Why not just do away with OTAs altogether? Might as well...

 

[ObsiWan]

**slow clap**

That's part of why I dislike what they're doing, Obsi.

"Hey guys! We're alright, so just keep the place running for us. See ya' when camp begins!"

Two sets of rules: One set for Dunta and DeMeco, another set for everyone else. Why not just do away with OTAs altogether? Might as well...

It worked for Strahan didn't it

don't hate them for working the system to their advantage.


oh, and the "rules" say this is voluntary.
if it ain't really voluntary, tell mgmt to stop LYING and change the rules.

 

[GP]

It worked for Strahan didn't it

don't hate them for working the system to their advantage.


oh, and the "rules" say this is voluntary.
if it ain't really voluntary, tell mgmt to stop LYING and change the rules.

I think OTAs need to be completely removed.

Someone correct me if this is wrong: OTAs were concocted by teams, but the NFLPA made sure that language was included to qualify OTAs as "voluntary" so that a player could not be waived/punished for not attending.

What's stupid about this: Teams' coaches find a way to still punish, off the books so to speak, if a player doesn't attend.

Unless you're a superstar. Then the rules are completely different.

I would wager that the average Joe isn't skipping OTAs. It's the Strahan/Favre/T.O. type of NFL player who gets a free pass.

Call it whatever you want, it makes me shake my head in amazement.

Just remove the activities if it's going to be like that. Sometimes just scrapping an entire system (instead of keeping it on life support) is the best thing to do. In the meantime, teammates go to work while some players are fully able to go...but won't. In the end, that's not right. IMO.

 

[steelbtexan]

With these two guys the defense has ranked 30th on avg.

If we traded these guys & got a 1st & a 3rd I would do it.

With out them what's the worst that could happen we finish 32nd in defense.

D&D need to realize these facts.

I would pay Ryans. If Dunta plys at a high level we can sign him long term next year.

I believe Dunta wants to be paid & whatever team pays him is where he will be happy.

Dunta is not a team player & never has been. I think Dunta will be gone after this season. I wont cry when he leaves.

There is more to being a team leader than firing teammates up in pregame warmups & jumping around when you make a hard hit on a WR.

 

[Mr PC]

DeMeco has every right to be upset with his contract, he is getting paid way below his value. Ryans is earning less than 1 million a year, and he is worth much more than that.

Dunta on the other hand, is earning an extreme amount of money, probably much more than he deserves. almost 10 million for one year is obscene. He has no right to complain about that, what he should be doing is going out and proving to the team that he was worth all that money instead of pouting and using his ten million dollar contract as a reason to skip team workouts.

 

[ObsiWan]

I think OTAs need to be completely removed.

Someone correct me if this is wrong: OTAs were concocted by teams, but the NFLPA made sure that language was included to qualify OTAs as "voluntary" so that a player could not be waived/punished for not attending.

What's stupid about this: Teams' coaches find a way to still punish, off the books so to speak, if a player doesn't attend.

Unless you're a superstar. Then the rules are completely different.

I would wager that the average Joe isn't skipping OTAs. It's the Strahan/Favre/T.O. type of NFL player who gets a free pass.

Call it whatever you want, it makes me shake my head in amazement.

Just remove the activities if it's going to be like that. Sometimes just scrapping an entire system (instead of keeping it on life support) is the best thing to do. In the meantime, teammates go to work while some players are fully able to go...but won't. In the end, that's not right. IMO.

Sports imitate life once again.
Are you guys gonna tell me that you've not seen examples of the "Golden Boy" (or girl) at your jobs who get away with doing - or not doing - what we grunts cannot.

And the Strahan/Favre/T.O.'s of the league paid their dues early on. When the "average player" starts to regularly put up numbers like those guys they'll probably have earned some unspoken "passes" too. Until then, they need to do everything possible to just stay on the roster.

Now there is a way that some teams make these activities less voluntary. Some teams have bonuses written into some contracts for attending OTAs or these training sessions. In these cases the team is saying, "no, you don't have to be here, but your pocket will be lighter if you don't show - Mr. Player, you make the call."

And again, this happens every year. Last year it was Urlacher making the news. When Lance Briggs got that huge contract, Urlacher got jealous and refused to participate in OTAs and the Bears' conditioning program until his contract was restructured. And he was making $7 mil/year and was in the middle of a deal was wasn't up until like 2011!

My point is this stuff/crap/junk happens every year. This will get fixed. They want to be here and the Texans want them to stay here. ...well at least in Ryans' case. As many of you have pointed out - Infantry said it best - I'm not so sure Dunta is negotiating from the position of strength he believes he has.

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

A generic article concerning the offseason conditioning program to begin today. The usual politically correct Kubiak remarks.

[Re. Ryans/Robinson]

“Obviously, I wish both players were going to be here, but I understand their situations,” coach Gary Kubiak said. “We need them to win, and at some point, we’ll have them back. And I expect both of them to play to the Pro Bowl level they’re capable of.”

Then the 1st 4 OTAs are voluntary, with the 1st mandatory activity isn't until June 15.

“We’ve been down this route when Dunta was injured last year,” Kubiak said. “It creates opportunity for young guys. They get a lot more reps in the offseason. Hopefully, that’ll make us better down the road.”

Outside linebacker Zac Diles, who was leading the defense in tackles until he suffered a season-ending broken leg, will see some time in the middle with Ryans out. Diles won’t be changing positions. He’s still the starter on the strong side when he’s healthy.

“Zac’s going to do something but not everything, because he’s still rehabbing,” Kubiak said. “ One reason I pushed them (OTAs) back to May 18 is so the players, especially players like Zac, can have more time to heal.”

 

[hollywood_texan]

I think everyone is complicating this too much and ascribing way too much fault/ill intent to their chosen side. These are negotiations with big numbers. Obviously Dunta and DeMeco want more and the Texans want to pay less. The two sides are posturing to see who will blink. This is ordinary, everyday business stuff. Folks need to simmer down and wait it out.

Dunta's situation is interesting with the gambles involved. On the one side there is a risk he never gets all the way back to even his prior level. On the other hand there is a risk he comes back and makes his first pro bowl--guaranteed he wants franchise CB money then.

Generally, I agree with your post. One caveat though, considering the history of the Texans resigning guys and overpaying, now it's not really about paying as little as possible, as about getting on return value.

As much as I have been critical of McNair, spending money hasn't been an issue with McNair from what I have seen. And I don't think that has changed.

The Texans are finally doing a "ROI" investment analysis on player contracts from what I see.

There is no arguing the value of the rookie contracts of Demeco and Dunta, but the reup contracts at high levels may not show in the analysis. The Texans quickly resigned Domanick Davis and David Carr, and that got us no where.

Bottom line, I understand both sides here. But, I don't think the issue is really about McNair not spending money. There are legitimate concerns regarding both players and resigning them to big deals immediately following their rookie contracts.

 

[nunusguy]

• Right now, I think there is a better chance of Dunta Robinson playing for a team other than the Texans by 2010. While I love DRob and want him back, if he is dead set on leaving the Texans as soon as he can then Rick Smith should be shopping him before and during the draft. My best guess is that the Texans could get a 2nd rounder for Robinson. http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2009/04/post_87.html

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LZ says consider pulling the plug on D-Rob now and maximize his value rather than waiting until the season is over when he has no trade value to us, if he really wants out of H-Town like a lot of us believe.

 

[TEXANRED]

• Right now, I think there is a better chance of Dunta Robinson playing for a team other than the Texans by 2010. While I love DRob and want him back, if he is dead set on leaving the Texans as soon as he can then Rick Smith should be shopping him before and during the draft. My best guess is that the Texans could get a 2nd rounder for Robinson. http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2009/04/post_87.html

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LZ says consider pulling the plug on D-Rob now and maximize his value rather than waiting until the season is over when he has no trade value to us, if he really wants out of H-Town like a lot of us believe.

If DRob wants out I say see ya. He hasnt been anything special since his rookie season. He gets beat and he trips and falls down too often when covering deep. He wasnt worth the franchise tag, and he isnt worth Chris Gamble kind of money either.

We are on the verge of something special and both DeMeco and DRob are showing there butts.

And before Ryans gets to fat of a head about himself, what did Meco do last year that was over and above what Diles was doing before he got hurt?

As Texan fans we have come to far to have our world destroyed by two cry babies that made more off one contract than most of us will make in a life time.

I mean seriously, do these guys understand they are getting the type of money that people play the lotto for?

Wa, I am only making 1.9 million this year. Wa, they franchised me and I am making 10 million this year.

If they want out, or don't want to play here, thats fine by me. I will help them move.

 

[imatexan]

• Right now, I think there is a better chance of Dunta Robinson playing for a team other than the Texans by 2010. While I love DRob and want him back, if he is dead set on leaving the Texans as soon as he can then Rick Smith should be shopping him before and during the draft. My best guess is that the Texans could get a 2nd rounder for Robinson. http://blogs.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2009/04/post_87.html

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LZ says consider pulling the plug on D-Rob now and maximize his value rather than waiting until the season is over when he has no trade value to us, if he really wants out of H-Town like a lot of us believe.

I thought the team had to give up a 1st rounder?

 

[Pantherstang84]

I thought the team had to give up a 1st rounder?

If another signs him with the Franchise tag on him then yes they have to give up more than 1st rounder I believe.

However, the Texans can sign and trade for whatever they want. They can sign him to whatever financial terms the other team and D-Rob agrees to then trade for whatever the other team agrees to give up for him.

It happens all of the time in the league.

 

[dtran04]

According to John McClain, Demeco has fired his agent. Expect a deal to happen right after he hires a new one. Funny how that happens.

 

[Texan4Ever]

According to John McClain, Demeco has fired his agent. Expect a deal to happen right after he hires a new one. Funny how that happens.

I hope its not Drew Rosenhaus!

 

[Texans_Chick]

According to John McClain, Demeco has fired his agent. Expect a deal to happen right after he hires a new one. Funny how that happens.

PLEASE IGNORE THE FOLLOWING WORDS: Hmmm, in the blog post he mentions Kirk Wood, but back in February he said that Jason Chayut was the agent. I guess that will be figured out.

I am hoping whoever it is, it means something good will happen.END OF THE IGNORING PART. OOPS.

No I am stupid. DEMECO fired his agent. Not Dunta. I'm thinking that Dunta is the one who should have fired his agent given his surprise at being fracnhised despite it being talked about in the local media for a month.

 

[GP]

If DRob wants out I say see ya. He hasnt been anything special since his rookie season. He gets beat and he trips and falls down too often when covering deep. He wasnt worth the franchise tag, and he isnt worth Chris Gamble kind of money either.

We are on the verge of something special and both DeMeco and DRob are showing there butts.

And before Ryans gets to fat of a head about himself, what did Meco do last year that was over and above what Diles was doing before he got hurt?

As Texan fans we have come to far to have our world destroyed by two cry babies that made more off one contract than most of us will make in a life time.

I mean seriously, do these guys understand they are getting the type of money that people play the lotto for?

Wa, I am only making 1.9 million this year. Wa, they franchised me and I am making 10 million this year.

If they want out, or don't want to play here, thats fine by me. I will help them move.

Pretty much sums up how I feel.

I find it funny that Ryans has fired his agent. Seems like he might be regretting his choice to handle things the way he was advised to by his agent.

Must have been a huge divide on some issue, to get to the point of firing your agent. Maybe Ryans said, "Look, I need to be with the team." The agent tells him "Screw them. If you go, you have no leverage for contract talks."

He sits around, playing Uno with Dunta every day, and realizes he needs to be that guy he was in his rookie year.

Hopefully, the firing of his agent was DeMeco changing his heart. I have no problem with him pushing for a better contract. I just want him to show that he really wants to be HERE. Go out there and dominate. The dollars will follow.

 

[Texans_Chick]

Pretty much sums up how I feel.

I find it funny that Ryans has fired his agent. Seems like he might be regretting his choice to handle things the way he was advised to by his agent.

Must have been a huge divide on some issue, to get to the point of firing your agent. Maybe Ryans said, "Look, I need to be with the team." The agent tells him "Screw them. If you go, you have no leverage for contract talks."

He sits around, playing Uno with Dunta every day, and realizes he needs to be that guy he was in his rookie year.

Hopefully, the firing of his agent was DeMeco changing his heart. I have no problem with him pushing for a better contract. I just want him to show that he really wants to be HERE. Go out there and dominate. The dollars will follow.

I think it is difficult to speculate what the firing means. I look at this some over at the FanHouse blog: Linebackers Karlos Dansby, DeMeco Ryans Fire Agent Kirk Wood

Both Karlos Dansby and DeMeco Ryans fired the same agent this week. If you look at the agent's client list (in the blog post), they are the most high profile clients of the agent. Dansby has been trying to get a long term contract for a while and has been franchised two years in a row. The Cardinals have a reputation for refusing to pay players who deserve it. The Texans haven't had much opportunity to re-sign good players because they have had so few. They have sign guys to deals before so I don't see why they can't again.

If I were speculating on the firings, I would guess it is because they don't have trust in Wood to get a deal done because of an apparent lack of experience on their agent's part. Ryans in particular can see what Wood has done in the Dansby situation--which is not be very effective.

 

[Polo]

If DRob wants out I say see ya. He hasnt been anything special since his rookie season. He gets beat and he trips and falls down too often when covering deep. He wasnt worth the franchise tag

Rep for you.

Not because I agree, but because your views are consistent.

If you feel Dunta was never anything special to begin with, in no way shape or form should you have been o.k with the franchise tag. That makes no sense.

 

[GP]

I think it is difficult to speculate what the firing means. I look at this some over at the FanHouse blog: Linebackers Karlos Dansby, DeMeco Ryans Fire Agent Kirk Wood

Both Karlos Dansby and DeMeco Ryans fired the same agent this week. If you look at the agent's client list (in the blog post), they are the most high profile clients of the agent. Dansby has been trying to get a long term contract for a while and has been franchised two years in a row. The Cardinals have a reputation for refusing to pay players who deserve it. The Texans haven't had much opportunity to re-sign good players because they have had so few. They have sign guys to deals before so I don't see why they can't again.

If I were speculating on the firings, I would guess it is because they don't have trust in Wood to get a deal done because of an apparent lack of experience on their agent's part. Ryans in particular can see what Wood has done in the Dansby situation--which is not be very effective.

Hmmm...so if those two names are the highest-profil clients on his list, and he was pushing to get them better deals...then what about this possibility:

Teams know they can stonewall the agent. Why? Because he doesn't represent a lot of star players. If you're an agent, a big player in the agent industry who represents a lot of star players (or you belong to a company who has a lot of agents whose client list is star-studded) then you have a position of power to negotiate from.

Screw one star player over, and you might have an entire agency to deal with. Think of it in terms of the agency being a "workers union" who can use their size to dictate terms on one, or all of its clients. In short: "Hello, Mr. GM of an NFL team. We can do this the easy way, or the hard way." We know that GMs and agents live and eat together, basically, so to speak. It's a symbiotic relationship to a degree. So if a team feels it can deal from a position of power, as in this case, then the player starts thinking to himself "I should have gone with Mr. Big Bucks agent like everyone else did. Now I know why."

This could be a deal of the agent getting frozen out because of who he isn't, not because of who he is.

Just another possibility.

 

[Goldensilence]

If DRob wants out I say see ya. He hasnt been anything special since his rookie season. He gets beat and he trips and falls down too often when covering deep. He wasnt worth the franchise tag, and he isnt worth Chris Gamble kind of money either.

We are on the verge of something special and both DeMeco and DRob are showing there butts.

And before Ryans gets to fat of a head about himself, what did Meco do last year that was over and above what Diles was doing before he got hurt?

As Texan fans we have come to far to have our world destroyed by two cry babies that made more off one contract than most of us will make in a life time.

I mean seriously, do these guys understand they are getting the type of money that people play the lotto for?

Wa, I am only making 1.9 million this year. Wa, they franchised me and I am making 10 million this year.

If they want out, or don't want to play here, thats fine by me. I will help them move.

I'm prepared at this point for the Texans post Dunta. IMO you say no to 23 Million after an injury like that either you are full of it or you want out. He's a real solid corner but not elite IMO and if Jenkins falls to us at 15 I wouldn't be upset at seeing what his trade value would be.

Ryans on the other hand I would like to see us lock up longer term and he'd be smart to do it sooner than later considering what the end of the CBA would mean for him contract wise.

 

[barrett]

One good possibility to come from Ryans getting a new agent is that it stirs the pot a bit. Negotiations that had cooled to a point are refreshed by bringing in someone new with a different angle. I think this could work out for the positive. I would expect that a "harder hitting" agent may be able to get more out of the Texans but at the same time, understand how to make it work for everyone at the table.

As much as Drew Rosenhaus represents evil, he was able to get Winston locked up long term very early in his rookie deal. I would have loved to see something like that happen with Ryans and Daniels as well.

I wonder how much strategy is placed on a players shoulders by his agent? When Demeco is upset publicly days after Robinson gets the tag I was thinking "what the hell is this? when have we ever heard Ryans speak negatively?". It's purely speculation but I wonder if his agent was advising him to act that way?

-I worry that Daniels will be left out in the cold so to speak because I think he benefits the most from the system. Alas, all the trade gossip we talked about back when FA began. I think if he asks for a blockbuster deal he could be gone in a flash.

-Does anyone have a compiled list of all our players and their representation? I know familiarity can't hurt to get a deal done.

 

[GP]

One good possibility to come from Ryans getting a new agent is that it stirs the pot a bit. Negotiations that had cooled to a point are refreshed by bringing in someone new with a different angle. I think this could work out for the positive. I would expect that a "harder hitting" agent may be able to get more out of the Texans but at the same time, understand how to make it work for everyone at the table.

As much as Drew Rosenhaus represents evil, he was able to get Winston locked up long term very early in his rookie deal. I would have loved to see something like that happen with Ryans and Daniels as well.

I wonder how much strategy is placed on a players shoulders by his agent? When Demeco is upset publicly days after Robinson gets the tag I was thinking "what the hell is this? when have we ever heard Ryans speak negatively?". It's purely speculation but I wonder if his agent was advising him to act that way?

-I worry that Daniels will be left out in the cold so to speak because I think he benefits the most from the system. Alas, all the trade gossip we talked about back when FA began. I think if he asks for a blockbuster deal he could be gone in a flash.

-Does anyone have a compiled list of all our players and their representation? I know familiarity can't hurt to get a deal done.

That's what I'm talking about, right there.

I hope DeMeco and the Texans can find some middle ground. It really does seem that DeMeco might have had questionable representation, possibly advising him to go "public" with his frustration, and now DeMeco sees himself sorta' on the outs with the fan base...maybe this will turn things around.

I really figured that DeMeco had gone to the dark side, so to speak, and therefore I figured he was desiring more coin than what he was worth. And maybe he still is. But a new agent in the mix MIGHT provide better opportunities for all involved.

Can't hurt.

 

[barrett]

I certianly hope that's the case because Ryans has been a stand up guy and a big time team player since day one. I really was shocked when I was listening to that radio interview.

- by the way, in regards to your sig; wouldn't the rosencopter football be given away for free?

 

[Maddict5]

my pov is the same as GP's. im taking demeco firing his agent is a bad sign. i woudnt be surprised if rosenhaus etc became his new one

 

[Second Honeymoon]

To put things in perspective, I would rather worry about players leaving because they are good and upset with their contract as opposed to having years of crappy players that no one would even want and didn't deserve the money they were making.

I am upset too, but at least we feel like a real team. It took 7 years but we at least seem to have some direction and competent vision moving forward. I have been a critic of McNair in the past by him not really going after any top-tier FAs but in this instance I dont think McNair is to blame. I don't think Rick is to blame and I don't think the players are to blame.

Face it, there is no real benefit in the Texans taking care of these players at this time just for an offseason voluntary workout. Now, if the players start skipping training camp, missing preseason games, etc. and upsetting the order of things, then it starts to put pressure on both sides. Players lose money, get fined, and hurt their own preparation while the team loses quality players on the field during TC/preseason preparation. We can't have that.

I will almost always take the players position in salary/contract disputes but I can't really blame the Texans for treading lightly. I remember being one of the few people to criticize the resigning of Domanick Davis as being too early and unnecessary. They could have waited but they played nice and wanted to send the right 'message' to the player. How did that work out for us with DD or Carr? Not too well. The team can't afford to play nice like that anymore especially with guys who dealt with injuries in 2008. With DD's resigning by Casserley, months later the guy is worthless and dead cap space. I am not saying that is going to happen with Ryans or Robinson, but I think the Texans can afford to tread slowly on this until training camp. Then it could effect the team...hopefully it never comes to that

 

[RTP2110]

I'm thinking that Dunta is the one who should have fired his agent given his surprise at being fracnhised despite it being talked about in the local media for a month.

That's one thing that stuck out to me too. I mean seriously, no matter what Rick Smith said to him, how did he not see it coming? It kinda makes me feel like the reason he was so angry about it is because he wanted to go somewhere else. If he wanted to stay with Houston, and Houston franchises him, what's the big deal? They can always iron out contract details later.

 

[GP]

I certianly hope that's the case because Ryans has been a stand up guy and a big time team player since day one. I really was shocked when I was listening to that radio interview.

- by the way, in regards to your sig; wouldn't the rosencopter football be given away for free?

No, it costs all Texans fans THREE QUARTERS.

 

[TEXANRED]

That's one thing that stuck out to me too. I mean seriously, no matter what Rick Smith said to him, how did he not see it coming? It kinda makes me feel like the reason he was so angry about it is because he wanted to go somewhere else. If he wanted to stay with Houston, and Houston franchises him, what's the big deal? They can always iron out contract details later.

I think if DRob cant get a long term contract worked out I say we trade him to Detroit.

 

[Pantherstang84]

That's one thing that stuck out to me too. I mean seriously, no matter what Rick Smith said to him, how did he not see it coming? It kinda makes me feel like the reason he was so angry about it is because he wanted to go somewhere else. If he wanted to stay with Houston, and Houston franchises him, what's the big deal? They can always iron out contract details later.

I guess he thought that he could turn down every offer the Texans made and go about his merry free agent way. If that was the case, I need the phone number to his agent's dealer.