Ryans Robinson arent going to report

[barrett]

The teams sign the contracts too, and they frequently cut players before thety pay out the full value they signed up for.

ahhhh the other side of the coin!

I think they have every right to try to get as much money as they can. It's unfortunate that they feel they need to "make a statement" by sitting out the off season program because it doesn't help the team with them missing any activity.

If you look at it purely capitalism standpoint then it's dog eat dog or whatever the going phrase is but I have a hard time understanding the "get as much money as you possibly can" mentality.

Take Marvin Harrison for example, here's a guy who has played with the same team for 12 years. He's played at a high level and has been compensated handsomely. If I remember correctly he was scheduled to make something like 10 million next year. The team couldn't afford to pay him that. He wasn't willing to take a pay cut. He's still got at least 1 more year of football in him if not more. I have a hard time understanding how a person can let the dollars and $ense get in the way of basic common sense. Why not take a cut and finish out your career at home where you are adored and adore your fans and teammates?

I don't subscribe to the "get as much as you can" philosophy. I'm not a "supersize-me" kind of person. I think it's flawed thinking. The biggest TV is not the best TV.

I dont fault them for feeling the need to get payed as much and as soon as possible in a game where the next play could be their last but I think it should be kept in perspective. If someone like Robinson thinks he's not getting his worth I think he's flawed. 23 or 24 million is alot of money. I think Demeco has a better argument but then again we don't know what he was offered.

Again, I think the players have every right to have a "money first" mentality but I just think it should be kept in perspective.

 

[Texecutioner]

I have no idea what Dunta is worth on the market but that really has absolutely 0 to do with his right to find out and pursue more money.

P.S. Players get signed for more money than they're worth all the time. It's ridiculous to act like Dunta couldn't go out and get more money from another team than what he's being offered here. What makes him any different than any other overpaid Free Agent?

Franchise tags are part of the sport so don't sit here and act like he is being railroaded here. If you don't like the fact that a franchise tag is in the sport then don't play in the sport. In this case, the franchise tag is way over paying him and he is benefiting from it. He needs to shut up and get all the practice he can get and work on his coverage skills and other things considering how he has barely played in the last two seasons.

 

[imatexan]

Doesn't mean they have to though.

And most players in proffesional sports don't.

They care about their teammates and they enjoy the fans, but at the end of the day, money talks.

Ya but caring for the teamates/fans is being emotionally involved.
It is about the money a lot but if you like where you are then you are going to give a little.

 

[imatexan]

Delusional? Please, he isn't touted as one of the top CB's in the league at all. Only to Texans fans he is.

No guy who has missed as many games as he has in the last two seasons would be considered one of the better corners in the league. He's never even made the pro bowl, so he isn't considered one of the best bro. You like him a whole lot because he is a Texan and you're a fan of the guy, and so am I but I'm not going to sit here and make myself think he is some player in high demand when he isn't just because I like the guy. It's a fact that he hasn't been a reliable player in the last two seasons no matter what you try and say. It hasn't been his fault, because he has been injured, but that still doesn't change the fact that he hasn't done much for the team.

At this point he has to prove himself, and the ONLY reason why he is getting all of that money from us through the franchise tag is because he has been with the team through some horrible seasons and was one of our only respectable players through that and he might still have potential to be a very good CB, but he has to prove that. And with the franchise tag, he is extremely lucky that he's getting paid that much while having to prove that.

How many games did he miss before his injury he just overcame?

 

[Polo]

Delusional? Please, he isn't touted as one of the top CB's in the league at all. Only to Texans fans he is.

No guy who has missed as many games as he has in the last two seasons would be considered one of the better corners in the league. He's never even made the pro bowl, so he isn't considered one of the best bro. You like him a whole lot because he is a Texan and you're a fan of the guy, and so am I but I'm not going to sit here and make myself think he is some player in high demand when he isn't just because I like the guy. It's a fact that he hasn't been a reliable player in the last two seasons no matter what you try and say. It hasn't been his fault, because he has been injured, but that still doesn't change the fact that he hasn't done much for the team.

At this point he has to prove himself, and the ONLY reason why he is getting all of that money from us through the franchise tag is because he has been with the team through some horrible seasons and was one of our only respectable players through that and he might still have potential to be a very good CB, but he has to prove that. And with the franchise tag, he is extremely lucky that he's getting paid that much while having to prove that.

After Texans cornerback Dunta Robinson shredded his knee during the ninth game of the 2007 season, many league observers believed that he was done.

Robinson returned to play last season, appearing in 11 games and starting six of them.

And now that his rookie contract has expired, Robinson is regarded by many as the top corner in free agency. (All cornerbacks to hit the market are right here.)

[UPDATE: Obviously, Nnamdi Asomugha is the best corner in free agency, but the Raiders are expected to use the exclusive level of the franchise tag on him, which will prevent him from testing the waters.]

That perception could prompt the Texans to use the franchise tag on Robinson, which would require the team to tender to Robinson a one-year deal worth $9.957 million.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/category/rumor-mill/

This assumes Dre Bly is no longer on the team (which has yet to be determined). But - after Champ, we're light at CB and could use a talented upgrade.

Taking a chance on a Dunta might be a smart move if it's loaded with incentives and plays through Dre's departure.

What do you all think?

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/archive/index.php/t-134793.html

15. Dunta Robinson - DB Houston Texans (Franchise-Non-Exclusive): While not elite, Robinson is one of the better corners in the NFL. Houston thought enough of him to place the franchise tag on him and pay him $9.9 million.

http://www.newerascouting.com/home/1938-free-agency-preview/

2) After this group of players is where it gets tricky. I believe, like in MLB, the players at 'premium positions' will still make out okay and sign for slightly above "market value".

These are guys like OJ Atogwe, Dunta Robinson, Dunta Robinson, Matt Birk, Mike Goff, Julius Peppers, and Bertrand Berry. DB, OL, and DL have become some of the most sought-after positions by GMs looking to put together a strong team for the longhaul. Because of this, these players will still get paid above market, but they won't given blank checks like the guys in the first group.

http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=325574

Yes. You are delusional.

Whatever you thin khis value is really is not relevant if there is another team wiling to overpay.

You have no clue what you're talking about because if it were as you describe the situation the Texans wouldn't have felt the need to franchise a guy who wouldn't be scooped up on the open market.

 

[Polo]

Franchise tags are part of the sport so don't sit here and act like he is being railroaded here. If you don't like the fact that a franchise tag is in the sport then don't play in the sport. In this case, the franchise tag is way over paying him and he is benefiting from it. He needs to shut up and get all the practice he can get and work on his coverage skills and other things considering how he has barely played in the last two seasons.

Just like teams can use the Franchise tag players can do certain things within their rights in order to get the money they want. Not sure why you are saying that the teams can do what they want to players and players should just shut up and be content. Both sides have different things they can do to achieve desired results. It's really not as complicated as you're making it out to be.

 

[Polo]

How many games did he miss before his injury he just overcame?

He's overexagerating. Up until his knee injury I'm not sure if he ever missed a game.

To top it off, he only missed 5 games last year.

 

[Jackie Chiles]

Yes. You are delusional.

Whatever you thin khis value is really is not relevant if there is another team wiling to overpay.

You have no clue what you're talking about because if it were as you describe the situation the Texans wouldn't have felt the need to franchise a guy who wouldn't be scooped up on the open market.

Franchise tag does not automatically = franchise player. It is a method of retaining talent. We had money available and didn't want to let Dunta leave and get nothing in return. Simple as that. Doesn't mean that he is elite. I am not saying he isn't elite but you can't say because he got the tag he is. It has been used on kickers and punters. Is Bo Scaife an elite TE? No.

 

[Texecutioner]

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/archive/index.php/t-134793.html



http://www.newerascouting.com/home/1938-free-agency-preview/



http://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=325574

Yes. You are delusional.

Whatever you thin khis value is really is not relevant if there is another team wiling to overpay.

You have no clue what you're talking about because if it were as you describe the situation the Texans wouldn't have felt the need to franchise a guy who wouldn't be scooped up on the open market.

This doesn't prove anything. All it proves is that the Texans thought well enough of him to franchise him which was smart on their part. Sure a team might over pay for someone on a contract, but Dunta was not about to get anything close to 9 Mill per season. What he is getting for this season is a lot more than he would get signing any contract with anyone else. Now he is getting paid a lot and still has the opportunity this season to bank that big deal if he plays well.

I don't ever hear Dunta's name ever being discussed or mentioned when experts and scouts talk about Elite corners in the NFL or the top ones and why would they? He has only posted GREAT numbers once in his entire career and that was how many years ago?

You're a Texans fan. I get it, but Dunta hasn't been thought of as one of the best Corners in the league especially after being sidelined the last two seasons. He certainly isn't top ten. You just said yourself that you don't know what his value is, so I don't even know what you're trying to argue here.

 

[Polo]

Ya but caring for the teamates/fans is being emotionally involved.
It is about the money a lot but if you like where you are then you are going to give a little.

Emotions only go so far.

I have had great relationships with co-workers and have been with companies that have treated me better than excellent.

That doesn't mean that when I felt like I had an opprotunity to move up a rung I didn't take it. I respect the fact that you would sacrafice positive career moves for friendships, but that's as far as it goes. Congratulations.

I don't think it's dumb or silly. I just think that approach works for you.

 

[Texecutioner]

He's overexagerating. Up until his knee injury I'm not sure if he ever missed a game.

To top it off, he only missed 5 games last year.

Well see there, you haven't even watched that much of the Texans than, because Dunta got hurt in other seasons and missed games before that huge injury as well. Nothing major, but he has missed games before.

 

[Polo]

This doesn't prove anything. All it proves is that the Texans thought well enough of him to franchise him which was smart on their part. Sure a team might over pay for someone on a contract, but Dunta was not about to get anything close to 9 Mill per season. What he is getting for this season is a lot more than he would get signing any contract with anyone else. Now he is getting paid a lot and still has the opportunity this season to bank that big deal if he plays well.

Obviously he wanted a longer term contract than a franchise tag despite the 9mil he will get this year. Not sure why you are ignoring the negatives of getting franchised other than the fact that it's convinent for you.

I don't ever hear Dunta's name ever being discussed or mentioned when experts and scouts talk about Elite corners in the NFL or the top ones and why would they? He has only posted GREAT numbers once in his entire career and that was how many years ago?

No one ever said he was elite, but if you don't remember folks talk about him as being on the fringe of top rated QB's and one of the young up and comers then you weren't paying attention.

You're a Texans fan. I get it, but Dunta hasn't been thought of as one of the best Corners in the league especially after being sidelined the last two seasons. He certainly isn't top ten. You just said yourself that you don't know what his value is, so I don't even know what you're trying to argue here.

That's obvious and I really think it's due to the fact that you won't slow down and absorb. I have constantly said that it doesn't matter what you, I or the Texans think Dunta is valued at. All it takes is one team to offer him more money than we are. His actual value has nothing to do with the possible contracts that he can get from other teams. What's hard to understand about that?

And one more time: If Dunta holds no value on the open market then it was DUMB for them to franchise him. But that's not the case. If he's as bad as you say he is, then you should have been pissed that they would franchise a mediocre corner.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Season		
	G	GS
2008	11	6
2007	9	9
2006	16	16
2005	16	16
2004	16	16

 

[Shaft75]

Well see there, you haven't even watched that much of the Texans than, because Dunta got hurt in other seasons and missed games before that huge injury as well. Nothing major, but he has missed games before.

You're wrong. TB posted what I was going to.

 

[Polo]

Well see there, you haven't even watched that much of the Texans than, because Dunta got hurt in other seasons and missed games before that huge injury as well. Nothing major, but he has missed games before.

http://www.nfl.com/players/duntarobinson/careerstats?id=ROB407958

I don't know about you.

 

[Texecutioner]

You're wrong. TB posted what I was going to.

Eh, fine egg on my face for that one. I'll take it.

I know that he got hurt before though. Maybe he suited up and just didn't play so it wasn't reflected on his career stats. I could have sworn that Dunta got hurt like twice before but it just wasn't anything major. Anyone else remember that, or am I just completely wrong as far as that goes?

 

[Polo]

16 games played and 16 games started each of the years prior to the leg injury.

You are wrong about this. No biggie.

 

[Texecutioner]

Obviously he wanted a longer term contract than a franchise tag despite the 9mil he will get this year. Not sure why you are ignoring the negatives of getting franchised other than the fact that it's convinent for you.

It's not really that convenient for the Texans if he doesn't play well or gets hurt again because then we're over paying him a lot for this season.

No one ever said he was elite, but if you don't remember folks talk about him as being on the fringe of top rated QB's and one of the young up and comers then you weren't paying attention.

Yes, that is true, but all of that changed once he got that horrible injury where he missed quite a few games in two seasons. Plus, when he came back last season he wasn't in there shutting WR's down and making tons of plays. He played alright, but nothing to suggest that he is on the fringe of being a top corner like he was before. He has to go back and prove himself all over again that he might be that kind of player.

That's obvious and I really think it's due to the fact that you won't slow down and absorb. I have constantly said that it doesn't matter what you, I or the Texans think Dunta is valued at. All it takes is one team to offer him more money than we are. His actual value has nothing to do with the possible contracts that he can get from other teams. What's hard to understand about that?

That is true as well and you're right about that part, but he still shouldn't be bitching when he is getting 9 Mill for a season right after he was hurt for a lot of two seasons prior. He is very lucky that the Texans have the confidence in him that they do still. Look at it this way, if he plays real well this season he will have been over paid this season and will turn that into a multi deal next year with us or another team. If he plays poorly he will have gotten a lot more money than he should have gotten.

 

[Texan_Bill]

You're wrong. TB posted what I was going to.

Yeah, but I'm kinda with Texecutioner in some sense. I like Dunta. I like the way he plays aggresively. I like that he's not afraid to hit someone hard enough that they have snot bubbles. With that said, at the end of the day, he's not a great cover guy. Slightly above average...... maybe, and certainly not elite. This year's contract (franchise tag) is the average of the top 5 corner contracts in the league. Is he a top 5 corner? Not really (IMO anyway).

Eh, fine egg on my face for that one. I'll take it.

I know that he got hurt before though. Maybe he suited up and just didn't play so it wasn't reflected on his career stats. I could have sworn that Dunta got hurt like twice before but it just wasn't anything major. Anyone else remember that, or am I just completely wrong as far as that goes?

Until last season he started every game that he dressed for. He's had some nagging injuries over the course of the first 3 1/2 seasons, but he didn't miss any substantial time in any one game.

 

[Texecutioner]

Yeah, but I'm kinda with Texecutioner in some sense. I like Dunta. I like the way he plays aggresively. I like that he's not afraid to hit someone hard enough that they have snot bubbles. With that said, at the end of the day, he's not a great cover guy. Slightly above average...... maybe, and certainly not elite. This year's contract (franchise tag) is the average of the top 5 corner contracts in the league. Is he a top 5 corner? Not really (IMO anyway).




Until last season he started every game that he dressed for. He's had some nagging injuries over the course of the first 3 1/2 seasons, but he didn't miss any substantial time in any one game.

Well I guess my memory failed me there because I could have sworn that either in his 2nd or 3rd season he missed a game or two from a minor injury.

 

[BigBull17]

I have no idea what Dunta is worth on the market but that really has absolutely 0 to do with his right to find out and pursue more money.

P.S. Players get signed for more money than they're worth all the time. It's ridiculous to act like Dunta couldn't go out and get more money from another team than what he's being offered here. What makes him any different than any other overpaid Free Agent?

Deleted. My post is dumb.

 

[Texan_Bill]

Well I guess my memory failed me there because I could have sworn that either in his 2nd or 3rd season he missed a game or two from a minor injury.

You're getting old.

 

[Norg]

One reason I don't buy jerseys with a player's number. Here today, gone tomorrow. Very hard to give 100% loyalty to guys who think about their bank account first. Dont' get me wrong, I understand where some of the debate comes from, but, I DO NOT understand why Dunte is so pissed off. If his ego is that inflated let him go someplace else. Doesn't sound like the team player we all thought he was.

As for Demeco! Get the damn contract fixed TEXANS!!!!!!!!! He has shown leadership, commitment, loyalty to his team, passion for the game, and respect for the fans. Same with Dunte, but, Dunte's getting paid well enough, not so Demeco. The Texans need to give this man a reason to want to remain a Texan!! PAY UP!! JMO!!!

Thats why i have my last name on my jersery LOL

anywayz Dunta isnt all that hes not even like super good or anything i dont know WTF hes thinking

 

[BigBull17]

It's not really that convenient for the Texans if he doesn't play well or gets hurt again because then we're over paying him a lot for this season.





Yes, that is true, but all of that changed once he got that horrible injury where he missed quite a few games in two seasons. Plus, when he came back last season he wasn't in there shutting WR's down and making tons of plays. He played alright, but nothing to suggest that he is on the fringe of being a top corner like he was before. He has to go back and prove himself all over again that he might be that kind of player.



That is true as well and you're right about that part, but he still shouldn't be bitching when he is getting 9 Mill for a season right after he was hurt for a lot of two seasons prior. He is very lucky that the Texans have the confidence in him that they do still. Look at it this way, if he plays real well this season he will have been over paid this season and will turn that into a multi deal next year with us or another team. If he plays poorly he will have gotten a lot more money than he should have gotten.

He was'nt worth 23 million pre injury. Thats what chaps my hide the most.

 

[TexansSeminole]

Dunta is just realizing that at any time he can lose the ability to play football. Quotes like "we just have to get some things situated" just show he is thinking about his future, possibly even his future after football. He is just making sure he is in the best position he can possibly be in and I am sure his "team"(agents) is telling him that they can get him alot more money. It's just part of the business and I would not worry about it unless he missed some of training camp. It's unfortunate that this came up now because we really don't know how Dunta is going to play next year due to that very major injury.

As far as DeMeco goes, pay the guy!

I wouldn't make this thing personal. All NFL players are trying to get paid the maximum possible. Well maybe 97%. That's just what it is about now. These players get paid so much that this the main reason that they play the game now. If you are looking for a player to be all about the team, and the game of football, and put money aside you are SOL. You will not find but a few of those players, and even they get paid extremely well.

NFL is about money. All this is just part of the NFL nowadays.

 

[Polo]

That is true as well and you're right about that part, but he still shouldn't be bitching when he is getting 9 Mill for a season right after he was hurt for a lot of two seasons prior. He is very lucky that the Texans have the confidence in him that they do still. Look at it this way, if he plays real well this season he will have been over paid this season and will turn that into a multi deal next year with us or another team. If he plays poorly he will have gotten a lot more money than he should have gotten.

I am willing to acknowledge that the Franchise tag can actually turn into a positive, but I also realize why players don't want to get hit with it; especially in a year before the collective bargaining agreement is set to expire.

When you sign a long term contract even though a team can really cut you at anytime, you feel like theres less chance of that happening due to the salary cap implications...Plus the fact that you aren't getting that signing bonus....

Franchise tag is risk vs. reward for the player, and many of them feel like the risk outweigh the rewards.

Yes the Texans would be severely overpaying (more than they are already) if Dunta got hurt, but if it was a serious injury or if he completely sucked then next year they could walk away and compeltely wash their hands of him. This is not new though...Players have pretty much never liked getting franchised...

 

[Polo]

If Dunta is a bad as everyone says, then you guys should have been outraged that he was tagged in the first place...

I think I remember one or two folks saying we shouldn't have franchised him and let him walk..That's called holding true to your beliefs...

You can't be o.k with the franchise tag and then say he sucks. That's talking out of both sides of your mouth.

All I know is that I would not care to see Dunta on any team that already fields a top 10 defense and consistently gets to the passer. He'd be sick. JMO. Can you imagine him playin with the Vikes, Steelers, Ravens or Titans ?

 

[TEXANRED]

He has never made it to the pro-bowl or playoffs and he is making close to 10 mil this year.

Hey DRob.......stop yer cryin!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Ckw]

Yeah, but I'm kinda with Texecutioner in some sense. I like Dunta. I like the way he plays aggresively. I like that he's not afraid to hit someone hard enough that they have snot bubbles. With that said, at the end of the day, he's not a great cover guy. Slightly above average...... maybe, and certainly not elite. This year's contract (franchise tag) is the average of the top 5 corner contracts in the league. Is he a top 5 corner? Not really (IMO anyway).

Exactly! The guy is the best CB we have ever had, which is why everyone is so in love with him. But "the best corner we have ever had" doesn't say much. And actually, Aaron Glenn would be in the running; people seem to forget that Dunta's best season was when he had Aaron Glenn opposite of him.

The guy is not a top5 corner and maybe not even a top 10. Is he worth keeping? Of course, and I love his leadership. But as of right now, he isn't worth being paid like he wants. If he comes out this coming season and dominates, then I am sure the Texans will sign him to a long term deal.

Until last season he started every game that he dressed for. He's had some nagging injuries over the course of the first 3 1/2 seasons, but he didn't miss any substantial time in any one game.

Yeah, his best quality is his toughness. As I stated above, the only year he looked like a good cover corner was his first season when he had Aaron Glenn to take on the #1 WR.

If Dunta is a bad as everyone says, then you guys should have been outraged that he was tagged in the first place...

That's just stupid. He is certainly worth paying big money for one season just so we can see how much he still has left in the tank. Look at the stats dude. Dunta has not been that great of a corner since Aaron Glenn left. Is he good? Of course! But we should not break the bank getting locked into a long term contract with him.

You can't be o.k with the franchise tag and then say he sucks. That's talking out of both sides of your mouth.

See above. The guy would not have signed a one year contract at say 5-6 mil a year. So franchising him, even though we pay too much this season, is the best decision. I don't think many of us want him to walk. We, along with the Texans FO, simply want to see how he plays this season after his devastating injury.

All I know is that I would not care to see Dunta on any team that already fields a top 10 defense and consistently gets to the passer. He'd be sick. JMO. Can you imagine him playin with the Vikes, Steelers, Ravens or Titans ?

You might be right that if we start getting that pass rush like the teams you mentioned Dunta will be a superstar corner. BUT, as I have stated numerous times in this post, he hasn't been that good since Aaron Glenn left.

As far as Demeco is concerned, the guy definitely deserves a new contract. Yes, his stats have dropped off every season, but he was also injured for most of last season. The guy is simply one of the smartest defensive players in the game. I am confident we will lock him up sometime after the draft. I honestly think the FO is just trying to find out how much money we have to work with after the draft.

 

[Polo]

For the record (since it seems like some are confused), I don't care what they decide to do with Dunta...At the end of the day I'm not attached to any of the players to be honest...

I'm just saying that I'm not upset with the guy for wanting more money If he feels like he can get it...If he can find it, good for him...Let him go...We'll move on and football will continue to be played in Reliant...

 

[Ckw]

Franchise tag is risk vs. reward for the player, and many of them feel like the risk outweigh the rewards.

Then Dunta needs to stop this crap and except a long term contract at fair market value. The guy is asking to be paid long term like a top 5 corner; the fact is he isn't one and doesn't deserve to be paid like one.

For the record (since it seems like some are confused), I don't care what they decide to do with Dunta...At the end of the day I'm not attached to any of the players to be honest...

I'm just saying that I'm not upset with the guy for wanting more money If he feels like he can get it...If he can find it, good for him...Let him go...We'll move on and football will continue to be played in Reliant...

Good post there. I am attached to a few of the players, namely Andre, Mario, and Demeco and would like to keep Dunta, but it would be stupid of us to pay him top 5 corner money.

 

[BullBlitz]

I like seeing the franchise tag used. It's a great benefit for the front office.

 

[eriadoc]

I am really glad that the Texans are taking this stance. If you cave in then there will just be more guys that try to pull this crap in the future.

One reason I don't buy jerseys with a player's number. Here today, gone tomorrow. Very hard to give 100% loyalty to guys who think about their bank account first.

I hear y'all, but I'd offer this for your consideration: The players have their finances publicized, their disagreements publicized, and many other facets of their life publicized. They are the ones out there laying their health and welfare on the line. The owners make a TON more money than the players, yet people seem to sympathize with the teams in these situations. I can't say I understand that.

Players sign a contract and they have to live with it, unless they can raise enough hell to get a new one. Teams sign a contract and they can rip it up whenever they feel like. Players have a limited time frame within which they can make money in the NFL, while teams can continue to milk the same community for decades. And you mentioned loyalty - owners are more loyal than players? Only as long as they're getting their multi-hundred-million dollar stadiums and sellouts.

I don't know. I see both sides of it, but in these types of scenarios, I tend to side with the player. If I have to pick sides based on who's being a millionaire whiner, well ..... the owners are billionaires, and they just don't have their comments publicized too often.

 

[threetoedpete]

Then Dunta needs to stop this crap and except a long term contract at fair market value. The guy is asking to be paid long term like a top 5 corner; the fact is he isn't one and doesn't deserve to be paid like one.



Good post there. I am attached to a few of the players, namely Andre, Mario, and Demeco and would like to keep Dunta, but it would be stupid of us to pay him top 5 corner money.

Agreed: I think few of us want to get back into cap hell once again. And it's not like the front office is kicking him to the curb....they're paying him like a top five corner. One of the best. He'll clear 6.5 million after taxes. So he wants to be mad he didn't make F.U. fourteen million up front money....well that's the way the ball bounced..or the hammy popped as it were. I don't mind him pitching a fit....but I do know he'll be treading into dangerous territory with Kubiak if it goes much further than that. The latest quotes....same as always...."can I depend on you " ? They said yes.

I thought the other angle further in the article was interesting as well. If they do come to a CBA cap agreement in 2010....and they are only allowed to keep one of the three six year qualifiers...Ryans , Daniels, or Robinson ? Guess who's going to be the odd man out at 9.975 mill per year ? If he wants out of town he's walking the correct path. The only question remaining with this little soap opera is who's leash is he on? His agents or his own ?

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[disaacks3]

Ryans' contract will be renegotiated prior to TC. Robinson, as it now stands, is being paid a boat load for a questionable product. He was paid handsomely last year.......for not playing, then playing at a less than stellar level. If Robinson is so sure that he will return to "pre-injury level," then he should rest assured that he will get a commensurate new contract. If he is not sure that his performance will come up to par, then he is trying to make out like a bandit. Both players will, in appropriate time, be paid fairly what they are worth.

Cloak (as usual) summed it up nicely several pages back.

Meco - Not quite Elite last year due to nagging injuries, but is one of your CORE players. Have no fear, he'll get his dough.

Dunta - He "did his part" and got himself back on the field earlier than anyone had a right to expect. He wasn't anywhere NEAR his best (didn't pivot, turn or recover well) last year, but still wanted BIG $ this off-season. He turned down a "good" offer from the Texans (while holding out for a GREAT one). His BEST season in the NFL as a CB still probably wouldn't put him top-10 at his position. He's getting paid top-5 money under the CBA for the franchise tag this year. The Texans weren't willing to give him the long-term deal he wanted unless/until he can show he's fuly recovered. He whined in the press about it (and IMHO looked foolish for having done so). If he has a great year, then he'll be in the driver's seat. If he has lingering health / playing problems, then the Texans will have set him up to retire well with a final BIG paycheck.

I love BOTH these guys as a fan, but only one has truly been a "star" and the other one is still being paid like one this season and crying all the way to the bank about it.

 

[TimeKiller]

I like seeing the franchise tag used. It's a great benefit for the front office.

If he wants out of town he's walking the correct path.
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He wasn't anywhere NEAR his best (didn't pivot, turn or recover well) last year, (and IMHO looked foolish for having done so). If he has a great year, then he'll be in the driver's seat. If he has lingering health / playing problems, then the Texans will have set him up to retire well with a final BIG paycheck.

I love BOTH these guys as a fan, but only one has truly been a "star" and the other one is still being paid like one this season and crying all the way to the bank about it.

Summing up how I feel about it. What if 23 does come back with health issues and isn't the guy he was? Do the Texans offer him less money then too? How would he take that? If he has a great year and goes probowl I think he's already a few toes out the door and that wouldn't help. It would be different if he came to Kubiak and asked for the time to keep trainingcoughrehabbingcough elsewhere but he's made it about money more than anything and I don't think Smith is that type of GM. Maybe Dunta being franchised is trade bait for the draft? Maybe we're looking to move up after Raji or Orakpo? That's borderline preposterous-trade-guy but....

 

[Runner]

Dunta should write a book. "How to go from Team Leader Respected for Speaking His Mind to Whiner in One Easy Step".

That's a little long though. It will be better known by its subtitle: "Fans are Fickle".

He was so beloved for whining about Carr too. Times have changed.

 

[Double Barrel]

*yawn*

Wake me when it's pre-season and they are/aren't showing for mandatory team events.

 

[Texecutioner]

Dunta should write a book. "How to go from Team Leader Respected for Speaking His Mind to Whiner in One Easy Step".

That's a little long though. It will be better known by its subtitle: "Fans are Fickle".

He was so beloved for whining about Carr too. Times have changed.

That was leadership. Lol!

 

[Thorn]

Can't wait for the draft so we have something new and probably more substantial to argue about.

 

[DocBar]

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And it's my right to ***** about the bitching!

I'm bitching about bitchin' ass bitchers. Does the insanity NEVER stop? Ryans is under contract. He signed it, he should fulfill it. ZDoes he deserve an exteneion? I believe so, but I also believe he should fulfill his obligation. DROB is different. I hate that things worked out like they did, but he NEEDS to prove he's back to at LEAST the same csliber player he was before the injury. Do that and there are more big pay days. After the injury he suffered, it's just prudence by the organization. We're not deep enough to be too senimenstrual.

 

[Ckw]

Dunta should write a book. "How to go from Team Leader Respected for Speaking His Mind to Whiner in One Easy Step".

That's a little long though. It will be better known by its subtitle: "Fans are Fickle".

He was so beloved for whining about Carr too. Times have changed.

Chill out man. I think most of us, or at least me, just want Dunta to stop griping when he is about to get paid $10 mil. Also from everything I have read, the Texans FO made a fair offer and did not want to franchise him. He turned it down because in his mind, he is a top 5 corner. Because of how hard he plays, I would be fine with him making top 10 corner money, and I am pretty sure that is about what the Texans FO offered him. He turned it down; this is his fault not Rick Smith's.

 

[Texan4Ever]

Chill out man. I think most of us, or at least me, just want Dunta to stop griping when he is about to get paid $10 mil. Also from everything I have read, the Texans FO made a fair offer and did not want to franchise him. He turned it down because in his mind, he is a top 5 corner. Because of how hard he plays, I would be fine with him making top 10 corner money, and I am pretty sure that is about what the Texans FO offered him. He turned it down; this is his fault not Rick Smith's.

He isn't worth the amount of money he wants! Honestly, what has Dunta Robinson done since his Rookie season? His production has slipped, hardly grabs INTs, and other then being a run support he hasn't done much in terms of production. If he prove himself by grabing more INTs and becoming a significant threat in the backfield, then I'll be willing to let him earn his $12 million plus or whatever the going rate is for top-notch CBs.

 

[Ckw]

He isn't worth the amount of money he wants! Honestly, what has Dunta Robinson done since his Rookie season? His production has slipped, hardly grabs INTs, and other then being a run support he hasn't done much in terms of production. If he prove himself by grabing more INTs and becoming a significant threat in the backfield, then I'll be willing to let him earn his $12 million plus or whatever the going rate is for top-notch CBs.

I definitely agree man. As I stated earlier, he might only be the second best CB we have ever had; you guys remember Aaron Glenn don't you? Also, Dunta's best season, 6 INTs and 3 sacks, was his rookie season; since then, he really hasn't done much other than help out in the running game. What was so different about his rookie season? Three words: Aaron F@%#in Glenn!

 

[IlliniJen]

If anyone was listening to 1560 today around 1pm or so, Dickie Justice laid all of this at the feet of...guess who...Rick Smith. According to Dick, Smith has to grow up and deal with these guys and swallow his pride to get a deal done. He also said that he needs to get a deal done with Owens. Didn't the team offer Owens a contract already?

F Dick Justice.

 

[HOU-TEX]

If anyone was listening to 1560 today around 1pm or so, Dickie Justice laid all of this at the feet of...guess who...Rick Smith. According to Dick, Smith has to grow up and deal with these guys and swallow his pride to get a deal done. He also said that he needs to get a deal done with Owens. Didn't the team offer Owens a contract already?

F Dick Justice.

Owens? T.O.?

Ah, you must mean Owen Daniels. No, thay never offered OD a contract. He was a RFA and we gave him the highest tender. I think he'll earn 2-3 million this season unless a new contract is agreed upon.

 

[Maddict5]

I hear y'all, but I'd offer this for your consideration: The players have their finances publicized, their disagreements publicized, and many other facets of their life publicized. They are the ones out there laying their health and welfare on the line. The owners make a TON more money than the players, yet people seem to sympathize with the teams in these situations. I can't say I understand that.

i do... the owners salaries etc dont have to fit in under a cap

 

[Goatcheese]

If anyone was listening to 1560 today around 1pm or so, Dickie Justice laid all of this at the feet of...guess who...Rick Smith. According to Dick, Smith has to grow up and deal with these guys and swallow his pride to get a deal done. He also said that he needs to get a deal done with Owens. Didn't the team offer Owens a contract already?

F Dick Justice.

Every time I think that guy can't get any dumber he goes the extra mile to prove me wrong.

 

[Texan JBZ]

If anyone was listening to 1560 today around 1pm or so, Dickie Justice laid all of this at the feet of...guess who...Rick Smith. According to Dick, Smith has to grow up and deal with these guys and swallow his pride to get a deal done. He also said that he needs to get a deal done with Owens. Didn't the team offer Owens a contract already?

F Dick Justice.

I hear ya Jen. I feel the same damn way about Dick. What gets me is that no other sports writer or sports jock in the city has any ill-will or anything negative to say about Rick Smith except for Dickey. I guess he thinks that he has the ear of everyone in Houston and that we take what he says as the gospel. Dick Justice is a prick!

 

[threetoedpete]

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I'm bitching about bitchin' ass bitchers. Does the insanity NEVER stop? Ryans is under contract. He signed it, he should fulfill it. ZDoes he deserve an exteneion? I believe so, but I also believe he should fulfill his obligation. DROB is different. I hate that things worked out like they did, but he NEEDS to prove he's back to at LEAST the same csliber player he was before the injury. Do that and there are more big pay days. After the injury he suffered, it's just prudence by the organization. We're not deep enough to be too senimenstrual.

Well there's no denying that demeeeco has out played the slot he was taken at. He needs a new deal. He's earned it. And they will get to him....But...how much do you pay for a top MLB in the league? I don't think he's going to be happy with what the market place dictates he is worth. We'll see. They should get to Daneils and him PDQ. They pay Daniels well....but you take him out of this offense and who replaces his 20% production ? Davis ? Jacoby Jones ? Dave Anderson ? Joel Dressen ? I think his value to this offense makes his value a premium to Matt and the team.