The Pencil Neck
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You really can't say that.
Negotiations have been ongoing. We've probably made a lot of offers and Mallett's agent has probably made a bunch of counter-offers.
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Ryan Mallett
- Thread starter Trouble
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You really can't say that.
Negotiations have been ongoing. We've probably made a lot of offers and Mallett's agent has probably made a bunch of counter-offers.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
There's not much reason to believe it won't be much different than the structure of Fitpatrick's contract. Aka, a "prove it" contract.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
First, it already had three teams at .500 or better (including the Super Bowl Champion), so getting much better won't be all that easy.
Secondly, this kind of speculation and projection is what makes me beleive this whole idea of SoS a pretty worthless and time wasting exercise.
We've got a track record of less than awesome FA activity. Maybe once, we've made additions in FA that helped this team win.
Our last three drafts have not been outstanding.
We've got two WRs worth a damn & we're trying to push one out.
Forgive me for not being able to see how this will lead to winning in 2015.
I didn't say much about cutting Chris Myers. I've been expecting Brooks Reed to be allowed to leave. Couldn't care less whether Newton is retained or not. I'd rather Kj comes back, but I don't want the Texans to break the bank.
& if we eventually get something in return for Andre... a good prospect plus a draft pick (5th or better) then I'll eventually get over losing him. But right now, it's like we don't recognize what talent is there.
& that's been the Texans biggest problem more than any kind of blind loyalty. Piss poor talent assessment, valuation, acquisition, & retention.
I see what we're doing with Andre as more of the same, I don't see how you think this is any different.
We've yet to bring in any prime talent since OB's been here. We're just losing it by the droves.
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
A prove it contract ideally gives the team the ability to keep the player for more than 2 years, and gives the player a financial reward should the team decide to do so. Whether this is what happens with Mallett obviously remains to be seen.
Fitzpatrick's been in the league since 2005. He didn't get a "prove it" contract, he got a "We'll pay you like a top backup contract, and you'll try to play at the upper end of what you've proven your abilities are for a year or two" contract.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
4 years in one system.
This is Mallett's one shot. It's make it on this contract or be nothing more than a backup. Now where are you going to think you have a better shot, in a system you barely think about anymore or one where you are trying to learn new verbiage, reads and coaching philosophy?
It's a whole lot more to playing to strengths.
Who other than Mallett or Fitz (damn that hurt to type)?
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
Absolutely!
Surely there are better QBs available...........surely.
Any suggestions? There is a shortage of good QBs out there. That's just the way it is.
Brisco_County
Apples and roadmaps
It's like going to med school for four years, then immediately skipping a residency to accept a nursing job. It may pay good money and utilize your knowledge, but it's not the opportunity you worked toward. But in this analogy, the nursing job would be inside a burning dumpster.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
It is never JUST TALENT. It is always TALENT at VALUE. The reason is that without VALUE, you cannot surround the TALENT with more TALENT and they waste their talent on a team which has to catch a break to be successful.
The TEXANS have not caught many breaks with player injury to key players. But the talent would have been there. Whether the injuries should have been foreseen OR were worth the risk even if foreseen will always be a topic which will not be resolved.
But existing contracts determine whether a talented player is also a good value or not and team are constantly letting talented players go because their value isn't there. (ie overpaid for production over replacement production)
Which is what I said. Cutting/trading Andre Johnson is not the only way to fix that value equation here.
& let's be honest here. None of us really care how much money Andre gets or doesn't get. The important thing is his cap number. If we cut him, he's going to count $8M against the cap.
My question, is... is there any way to get him to play for us & still count $8M against the cap, or less. I think there is. I do not understand why the Texans aren't pursuing those avenues & if they are, I don't understand how they're going about doing it.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
I had projected a way to reduce his cap hit by extending his contract out over an extra year or two. But that would require his cooperation and he doesn't seem to think he's ready to go gracefully. Perhaps he really is still that good that he can be a number one on a different team, but it didn't take long for his agent to balk at finding a trading partner to take on his current contract. Right or wrong, it appears that teams aren't willing to break the bank on Andre. But just like the Texans, they want to get him at VALUE and not over value.
Where are you getting that from?
- First
We hear the Texans grant Aj permission to seek a trade. - second
We hear There are three teams willing to pay Aj $10M/yr. One of them being the team we've been chasing for over a decade. - third
We hear Andre's team would rather he be cut.
Sounds more like he found out teams are willing to give him his money, but not willing to give Houston anything in return.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
Until they exceed $21.5M over two years, they aren't even matching the Texan Contract. That's NOT breaking the bank for him. That is getting him at value. If the Texans want to pay VALUE, then they HAVE a contract and can simply keep it in place.
But there is no incentive to release him so he can play elsewhere for less. It's still advantageous (~$2.7M Cap deferred to 2016) to keep him until June 1 unless they have a deal in place in free agency which requires space they can't get elsewhere.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Psssst - there's an AJ thread.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I'm still waiting to hear which THREE teams have voiced willingness to pay AJ $10million/year.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
When you're right...
Don't feel like the Lone Ranger. I'm still waiting myself.
Is it sad i will be more excited about him resigning than i am about Newton and Jackson thus far.
EllisUnit, could you please stop bumping this thread until Mallett inks the deal with the Texans?
Thank You.
For the life of me... nothing we've done this off season makes any sense. I can't make out what the big picture is supposed to look like.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Just keeping the fans on their toes.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Another take may be that the Texans showing interest in Mallet and Hoyer to have Jets' interest divided while the Texans give more serious attention and money offer to Mallet........their primary target.
TexanFan881
All Pro
Anyone else think that the Texans are over stating their interest in Hoyer simply to get some leverage in their negotiations with Mallett?
Picture pretty clear to me. Hope is the plan, and normally not a good answer.
PapaL
Loose Screw
Soooo if O'Brien gets his way that says Fitzpatrick is gone....
Mallet is 27 and Hoyer is 29 - still young in QB years - so they'll be around for a while. Soooo, where does this leave Savage; languishing on the bench for 3-4 years or out the door?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
ChampionTexan
Hall of Fame
In a perfect world, yes - I mean every NFL teams dream is to have a backup QB and a third string QB (where applicable) who are totally unnecessary for the entire term of their contracts.
In reality, no matter what the Texans brain trust really thinks about Mallett & Hoyer (and beyond the fact they appear to value them more than any other currently unrestricted FA QB, we know very little about that), the fact is that there's every possibility that even if they are both signed, neither of them could be the starting QB in a couple years, and perhaps even 2016. Also, ask T.J. Yates about 3rd string meaning languishing on the bench for the entire term of your contract.
LOL!
Hell, we could ask Savage since he was pressed into duty late in his rookie year.
let's seeee....
Fitzpatrick (he ain't cut yet)
Keenum (still sorta under contract)
Savage
and we're courting Mallet and Hoyer (although I'm reeeeally wondering if this ain't some sort of leverage move)
I'm with TK, I don't know what direction O'Brien is trying to pilot this ship.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Mallett and Hoyer, huh? Bill O'Brien's Patriot Butt Buddy Reunion Tour.
banned1976
sleeper mode
If it wasn't for Buffalo signing Cassel he could have gone for the trifecta of former back-up Patriots QB's.
So you hate everybody who has played/coached in New England?
Hating on success?
Better find a new team to root for. The Texans are being modeled after the Pats org,
badboy
Hall of Fame
Come on JB name a team
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
I think you are missing the explicitly or implicitly stated "decent" "legitimate starter" "Schaub or better" etc. qualifiers on getting a QB. Not run out and get another Fitz. We have one of those.
Matrix - knock off all the unnecessary language. This forum is supposed to be family friendly.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Not missing anything as we don't know what OBrien think of Mallett or Hoyer as starting material. I think he is considering a lot of options and in my mind he want Mallett. I think he gets him.
Are we trying to win in 2015 or are we trying to set us up for 2016 & beyond?
Trying to win for 2015, let's go get Cobb/Maclin, Wilfork, Vareen, McCourty...
But let's cut the only center with starting/game day experience this team has ever known.
Let's load up on never was has beens at the QB position to make sure our Project QB never gets on the field.
It's almost like we're threading water other than the sinking feeling.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And I wasn't talking about OB. I was talking about what fans "we" want when we say get a QB.
OB got one free pass year trotting a placeholder out at QB at least in my book. I'm not fine with a 2nd. Hoyer or Fitz starting would be a 2nd IMO.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I think the Texans plan is 15 and beyond. No way do I believe OBrien moves Myers unless he is sure he has a solid replacement plus he gets cash..six million. That is another solid starter or maybe Lewis and Pickett. Great move. Fitz is not a never whatever. He is a guy that did more than most fans thought he was. OBrien is not just sitting on Fitz and Savage, he is negotiating for better options. I am not treading or sinking but trying to surf a big wave (of hope);at best I glide to beach at worst I hope to be backstroking with a big old smile. Hopefully, that big white shark isn't under me. Either way I am keeping catsup and a fork handy.
badboy
Hall of Fame
We agree but it is up to Mallett to give us a better option. No other exists.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Sincerely hoping you saw the post I made in response to this before it got deleted by the coolest lead moderator on the planet.
badboy
Hall of Fame
so Infantrycak deleted your post?