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Ryan Mallett

DX-TEX said:
Just some guy I think but DO NOT look at his twitter bio. Some pretty nasty pics there. You have been warned

EDIT: New tweet:



But you have Arian?
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Think he is just saying that he recognizes what the obvious call is in that situation and to play to your strengths. Not that he wants to be the Seattle QB or for Lynch to come to the Texans.
 
DocBar said:
thunderkyss said:
If you worked with him for two years & your best bud worked with him for four years & the two of you were convinced he could be the next Phillip Rivers... how much would be too much?
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This simply isn't the case, though.

I'm good wth a $12 mill contract that is properly structured.
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We don't know what the case is. If they sign him for $12M/yr, then we'll have a good idea what they feel about Mallett. Keep in mind rumors are that Russell Wilson will get $73M in the first three years of his contract. five years at $12M/yr is only $60M.

& $12M/yr is well below Andy Dalton, Phillip Rivers, & Sam Bradford.
 
thunderkyss said:
We don't know what the case is. If they sign him for $12M/yr, then we'll have a good idea what they feel about Mallett. Keep in mind rumors are that Russell Wilson will get $73M in the first three years of his contract. five years at $12M/yr is only $60M.

& $12M/yr is well below Andy Dalton, Phillip Rivers, & Sam Bradford.
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If the Texans sign Mallett for even a cousin to that contract, the the deserve tosuck for a decade or more.
 
DocBar said:
If the Texans sign Mallett for even a cousin to that contract, the the deserve tosuck for a decade or more.
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yeah $12m a year is steep for an unproven qb, even if you're bringing him in to be starter. I figure $6-8m a year on a short term dear with an easy out.
 
thunderkyss said:
We don't know what the case is. If they sign him for $12M/yr, then we'll have a good idea what they feel about Mallett. Keep in mind rumors are that Russell Wilson will get $73M in the first three years of his contract. five years at $12M/yr is only $60M.

& $12M/yr is well below Andy Dalton, Phillip Rivers, & Sam Bradford.
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Mallett doesn't deserve to be in the same conversation with Wilson.
 
banned1976 said:
And if O'Brien had married himself to Manziel in last years draft would you be saying "have at it"? Both of them are bad choices; only years separate them.
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Since he didn't choose to marry himself to Manziel in last year's draft I'd say it isn't likely he'll make a bad decision.
 
badboy said:
My understanding is they can sign their own players at anytime.

Why would it impact 2014 cap as that season over?
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The league year doesn't end until March 10th. The Texans can franchise or transition tag Mallett and not affect the 2014 cap. But if they re-sign him before the end of the league year, any signing bonus would require 2014 space for the prorated amount. According to Spotrac, the Texans have $1.7 million available. So if they gave Mallett a 3 year deal with a $5 million signing bonus, that proration would fit under the cap.
 
Lucky said:
The league year doesn't end until March 10th. The Texans can franchise or transition tag Mallett and not affect the 2014 cap. But if they re-sign him before the end of the league year, any signing bonus would require 2014 space for the prorated amount. According to Spotrac, the Texans have $1.7 million available. So if they gave Mallett a 3 year deal with a $5 million signing bonus, that proration would fit under the cap.
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well gee, sign him March 11th
 
JB said:
yeah $12m a year is steep for an unproven qb, even if you're bringing him in to be starter. I figure $6-8m a year on a short term dear with an easy out.
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I think you have a good handle on the per year cap at this point in time. Luck, the all everything QB will make 7M in 2015 which was signed before he had experience, but with maximum POTENTIAL. And at this point, that is essentially what we have in Mallett. My feeling is that this is still high for him, but will be required to retain him because of the ridiculous value competitors place on the position.

I suspect the deal to be as short as one year since even one effective year will cause his value to skyrocket. So Houston MAY seek to lengthen the contract by sweetening the pot above this, but not to the value of a proven starter of any level beyond that of a journeyman, well traveled backup.

So bottom line:

1 Year - $7M
2 Year - $16M
3 Year - $25M

And I expect Mallet to go for the 1 or 2 year plan with an eye on his next contract as an experienced starter.

One way to blend the interests of both parties is to provide significant performance based escalators coupled with either automatic extensions or team options. But we'll have to see. I don't see many examples of automatic performance based extensions or options in the NFL like I see in MLB. Perhaps it is forbidden.
 
banned1976 said:
Then you expect O'Brien to move on from Mallett? I hope so. Immature QB's stay immature.
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What about Mallett as a pro the last four years says immature to you?

I saw a kid that had been waiting in the wings for 3+ years get his shot and was totally prepared for it when it came.

One game doesn't tell you if he is your franchise QB, but it sure as hell tells you about his focus and maturity. Just ask Johnny Rehab...
 
DX-TEX said:
Just some guy I think but DO NOT look at his twitter bio. Some pretty nasty pics there. You have been warned

EDIT: New tweet:



But you have Arian?
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I give him credit for saying that. Sometimes teams get too cute and they need someone else to reality check them.
 
Marshall said:
I think you have a good handle on the per year cap at this point in time. Luck, the all everything QB will make 7M in 2015 which was signed before he had experience, but with maximum POTENTIAL.
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Can't look at rookie contracts for market value. They're dictated by the league. Pretty definitionally not what the market would bear.

Schaub's 1st contract with the Texans was years ago but a better example because it was also a 2nd contract for an unproven QB. He got lower end mid-pack starter money.
 
Lucky said:
The league year doesn't end until March 10th. The Texans can franchise or transition tag Mallett and not affect the 2014 cap. But if they re-sign him before the end of the league year, any signing bonus would require 2014 space for the prorated amount. According to Spotrac, the Texans have $1.7 million available. So if they gave Mallett a 3 year deal with a $5 million signing bonus, that proration would fit under the cap.
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Oakland just signed Woodson to an extension with a SB....didn't effect their 2014 cap number.

I'll double check though.

Texans are carrying over $966k from 2014.
 
Lucky said:
Look at JJ Watt's extension this season. He received a $10 million signing bonus, with $2 million allocated to the 2014 cap.
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Difference here is this....JJ's deal was signed prior to the 2014 17 week regular season; but after the new 2014 league year started.

If a contract is signed during the 17 week season, then yes the SB would effect the current year. Now that the 17 week regular season is over, an extension signed (before March 10) by Mallett with a signing bonus, would not effect the 2014 season numbers. Above I used the Charles Woodson example since his deal was signed after the 17 week season was over.

Basically, sign a new deal between March 10 and the last day of the regular season, the SB would be included into that same league year.

This may be one of the reasons why Houston does not do contract negotiations during the season.

Note: Confirmed the SB effect with Joel Corry.
 
infantrycak said:
Can't look at rookie contracts for market value. They're dictated by the league. Pretty definitionally not what the market would bear.

Schaub's 1st contract with the Texans was years ago but a better example because it was also a 2nd contract for an unproven QB. He got lower end mid-pack starter money.
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It's not a perfect example (obviously, there is no perfect example) but I think the best comparison is Matt Flynn. One difference is that Flynn came into the league as a seventh round pick, while Mallett was taken after he slipped to the third round after some expected him to go higher, so if you're looking to pre-NFL data to rate the two (not completely ridiculous for two guys with 4 NFL starts in a combined 8 seasons), Mallett clearly gets the nod. On the otherhand, Flynn's numbers in the very limited playing time he had prior to signing with the Seahawks blow Mallett's out of the water. Higher completion percentage, (62.16 v 52.13), higher TD to attempt ratio (6.8% v 2.5%), higher passer rating (93 v 61). To put those in perspective, Flynn had 132 NFL pass attempts when he signed with the Seahawks, and Mallett currently has 79.

Now granted, Mallett's two starts were kind of night and day in terms of his performance, and his bad game could easily be chalked up to injury. The flipside of that is that there has to be a little bit of concern about the fact that he suffered a season ending injury in one of only three games he's even played in.

When Flynn hit the open market, the Packers weren't in the running due to the fact they weren't going to pay his price to be a backup, and he wasn't going anywhere he didn't have a chance to start. What he did have was his Green Bay offensive coordinator taking over as the Dolphins HC, and showing interest. It's also probably not a total coincidence that John Schneider - the Seahawks GM now, and when Flynn was signed - was in the Packer front office when Flynn was drafted, and his first couple of years there. It's interesting to note that there are only four men on this planet who have been the NFL HC and/or OC and/or QB coach for Mallett, and all four are currently on either the Texans or the Patriots coaching staffs (and I'm thinking the Pats arent' going to be in the hunt for Mallett should he make it to free agency). There are a couple of former Patriot scouts/personnel guys now with the Bucs (one as GM), and with both McCown and Glennon having questions, they might be considered a likely suitor for Mallett if the Texans don't lock him down before that can happen. Still, as much of a leap of faith as some believe it would be for the Texans to sign Mallett to an 8 figure salary, it would be a much larger leap of faith for any other team in the NFL to do it (again - with the possible exception of the Pats).

Flynn got a three year deal for $26 Million with $10 Million guaranteed three years ago when the salary cap ended up being $120.6 Million. Assuming a 20% larger cap for 2015 (which I believe puts it on the high end of what's expected), that translates to roughly $10.5 per year with $12 million guaranteed in today's NFL dollars. The term can be either 3 or 4 years, and it should be assumed (by both the Texans and Mallett) that because he's either being cut or extended, anything after two years is irrelevant anyway (with the guaranteed portion being structured accordingly).

Frankly, I'd love to see a deal like that, and it seems to me, it should be something that would keep Mallett from entering this years free agent pool. We'll see what happens.
 
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Agent Joel Corry if he was Mallet's agent...
Playoffs said:
Mallett -- at least what Fitz got, no more than two years more likely a one year deal 3-3.5 million range with incentives up to 5 million to put him as a starter in a position to get a big contract later...​
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He expects a ~one year prove it deal.
 
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One aspect that really intrigued me was the thought that the Jets have some interesting in bringing Ryan Mallett to New York. Mallett was a former 3rd round draft pick of the New England Patriots, before being traded to the Texans for a late round draft pick. Obviously our new GM was working within the Texans organization at the time of the trade and with his history of personnel scouting, I'd be surprised if Maccagnan wasn't heavily involved in that trade.
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Defensive minded HC and Chan Gailey as OC for a 4-12 team? - if the Texans can't convince Mallett he would be better off under OB in a system he is familiar with, they suck.
 
infantrycak said:
Defensive minded HC and Chan Gailey as OC for a 4-12 team? - if the Texans can't convince Mallett he would be better off under OB in a system he is familiar with, they suck.
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That would be a really dumb move...even for a guy that went to Arkansas.
 
infantrycak said:
Defensive minded HC and Chan Gailey as OC for a 4-12 team? - if the Texans can't convince Mallett he would be better off under OB in a system he is familiar with, they suck.
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Wait a minute, didn't Fitz QB for Gailey in Buffalo? I smell a reunion in the making. How about a conditional 6th rounder?
 
steelbtexan said:
Depends on the $$$$.

If the $$$$ is comparable it's a no brainer.
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I think it would be a dumb move for Mallett even if the Jets offer $7 and the Texans offer $4-5. The Jets have been a QB carousel and the coaching there doesn't present an optimistic scenario for change. He fails there and he's likely done. The Texans give him his best chance at success and a real rather than trial contract. That's the contract where he makes his money.
 
infantrycak said:
I think it would be a dumb move for Mallett even if the Jets offer $7 and the Texans offer $4-5. The Jets have been a QB carousel and the coaching there doesn't present an optimistic scenario for change. He fails there and he's likely done. The Texans give him his best chance at success and a real rather than trial contract. That's the contract where he makes his money.
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but suppose the Jets are crazy enough to offer him a "real" contract, say a 3-4-5 year deal at 7-8 mil, instead of the "let's see what you got", 1-2 year contract we're all thinking the Texans will put on the table?

going to be interesting to see how it plays out.
 
ObsiWan said:
but suppose the Jets are crazy enough to offer him a "real" contract, say a 3-4-5 year deal at 7-8 mil, instead of the "let's see what you got", 1-2 year contract we're all thinking the Texans will put on the table?

going to be interesting to see how it plays out.
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I'm not saying they couldn't outbid the Texans. Just saying Mallett would be a fool to do it without substantially more guaranteed money and time. Dude is 26. Realistically he's got one long term contract in him if he plays his cards right. A 1-2 year test and then a 6 year deal puts him at 33-34 and then he's looking at extensions.
 
infantrycak said:
I'm not saying they couldn't outbid the Texans. Just saying Mallett would be a fool to do it without substantially more guaranteed money and time. Dude is 26. Realistically he's got one long term contract in him if he plays his cards right. A 1-2 year test and then a 6 year deal puts him at 33-34 and then he's looking at extensions.
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and I'm definitely not disagreeing with you.
I remember when Carr left and he had a chance to go to Seattle and learn from Holmgren but chose to go to Carolina. I thought that was dumb. As you guys say, Mallett has a similar choice now. It would take a pretty big delta in $$$ and years for me to leave here if I were he.
 
ObsiWan said:
but suppose the Jets are crazy enough to offer him a "real" contract, say a 3-4-5 year deal at 7-8 mil, instead of the "let's see what you got", 1-2 year contract we're all thinking the Texans will put on the table?

going to be interesting to see how it plays out.
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He can earn ~$5 million this year and then sign for an average in the high teens. I don't think Mallett wants to leave Texas, or O'Brien and his system for a couple of million more where he might quickly flame-out in a new system/with a different OC.

His agent needs to stir up a market for Mallett to get him as good a deal as he can on this contract. And, believe it or not, those guys sometimes leak false rumors to league sources.
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Playoffs said:
He can earn ~$5 million this year and then sign for an average in the high teens. I don't think Mallett wants to leave Texas, or O'Brien and his system for a couple of million more where he might quickly flame-out in a new system/with a different OC.
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This seems like it should be an easy done deal. Cut Fitz and save $3.25 mil.

Sign Mallett to a 2 year deal:
Year 1: $3 mil signing bonus, $3 mil roster bonus, $1 mil salary...$5.5 mil cap hit.
Year 2: $9 mil salary, $1.5 mil proration...$10.5 cap hit.

Year 2 is easy to dump him with just $1.5 mil in dead money if he's a dud, or high enough money to keep him happy while a long term contract is being worked out.
 
infantrycak said:
This seems like it should be an easy done deal. Cut Fitz and save $3.25 mil.

Sign Mallett to a 2 year deal:
Year 1: $3 mil signing bonus, $3 mil roster bonus, $1 mil salary...$5.5 mil cap hit.
Year 2: $9 mil salary, $1.5 mil proration...$10.5 cap hit.

Year 2 is easy to dump him with just $1.5 mil in dead money if he's a dud, or high enough money to keep him happy while a long term contract is being worked out.
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That looks like a good plan and I'm more than happy with Mallett, Keenum and Savage going into the 2015 season.
 
DocBar said:
That looks like a good plan and I'm more than happy with Mallett, Keenum and Savage going into the 2015 season.
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Keenum isn't under contract either. What kind of deal would you give him to be the backup and will he be happy with no shot at starter status?
 
JB said:
Keenum isn't under contract either. What kind of deal would you give him to be the backup and will he be happy with no shot at starter status?
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Keenum should be relatively easy to sign for a very reasonable amount. I'd give him a legit shot at starting, also. At the very least, he'd be the back up with Savage in the same spot he was in last season.
 
JB said:
Keenum isn't under contract either. What kind of deal would you give him to be the backup and will he be happy with no shot at starter status?
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I would imagine he would sign for close to league minimum. He was a practice squad player last year with St. Louis before he came here. He's not going to be a starter next year so he might as well remain in Houston if he's given the opportunity.
 
JCTexan said:
I would imagine he would sign for close to league minimum. He was a practice squad player last year with St. Louis before he came here. He's not going to be a starter next year so he might as well remain in Houston if he's given the opportunity.
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Unless some QB hungry team watches his tape and thinks he could compete for them. He has more favorable tape this year than he did last
 
JB said:
Keenum isn't under contract either. What kind of deal would you give him to be the backup and will he be happy with no shot at starter status?
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Keenum is an exclusive rights free agent. So if the Texans want to retain him, all they need is to offer the minimum for a 3 year vet.
 
JB said:
Didn't know that. Thanks for the info
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Correct. Houston just needs to offer him a tender by March 10th, likely to be the $585,000 minimum P5 salary based on his two years of credited seasons. Keenum either takes that deal, or doesn't play in the NFL in 2015.
 
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