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Ryan Mallett (Houston, We Have A Monster)

EllisUnit said:
20 of 30 and he was all over the place ? I saw the same game you did and I felt like his medium to deep accuracy was pretty good. He took what the D gave him, and against KC he had some pretty good deep to mid range throws.
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Yeah a guy throwing it 30 times and only getting 211 yards tells you all you need to know about how much he was pushing it downfield. Take away the Hopkins 41 yarder and that's David Carresque.

And lol what game were u watching where he connected on deep and mid range throws in the KC game? most of those throws were were closer to that 6-10 yd range than 15+ yard chunks. They look like they are long b/c he works almost exclusively out of shotgun, but by the LOS measurement, they're around that 10-12 yd range max most times.
 
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He's taking what the defense gives with the odd punch downfield to test the coverage.

It's an offense that's been proven to work. I don't see the fuss.
 
I watched both the Cleveland game last year and the KC game and if anyone watching that wants to complain about Mallett that's their right. I don't agree with them but that's their right.

Personally I think the Texans could use a whole hell of a lot of what I saw out of Mallett in those two games.
 
Mollywhopper said:
He's taking what the defense gives with the odd punch downfield to test the coverage.

It's an offense that's been proven to work. I don't see the fuss.
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It works to a point. Taking what the defense gives you works just fine when you've got a run game and you're not too far behind in the game and you've got plenty of time..or a stud veteran qb who knows what he's doing.

The philosophy also lends itself to long 10 plus play drives...which are hard to sustain if your run game stinks and/or when u run out of field... Thats why you've got to rip off 15-20 yard chunks pretty regularly. It lets defenses know that if you even sniff the red zone 1 well placed strike from the 20 could be the dagger. In essence It keeps cbs and LB's from jumping routes while you're matriculating down the field.
 
Mr teX said:
All he did was dink and dunk in the Cleveland game between 6-10 yds. The Bengals took that area and the running game away from him and by the late stages of the game when it wasn't prudent to dink and dunk he was all over the place trying to throw 15+ yds down the field. I'm not convinced that was all pec injury. The little bit of time in the KC game he still really didn't throw beyond 10 yds.

I think I have a good idea about his pocket skills and knowledge of the system... I have to see him challenging down field beyond his customary comfort zone of 6-10 yds accurately more for me to believe we've got something in this kid.
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I agree with you. He didn't look like Tom Brady to me. Or Ben Rothlisberger. Or Peyton Manning... He didn't even look like Eli in the regular season.

He did look like someone with a solid foundation to build on. A much better foundation than that punch drunk Hoyer.

& yeah, it's possible he won't help us do anything at all. But we know we weren't going anywhere with Hoyer right?

8-8... 9-7... Maybe even 10-6, no play offs or an early exit... Crappy draft position.

May not be Amy different with Mallett, but at least there's a chance.
 
Mr teX said:
It works to a point. Taking what the defense gives you works just fine when you've got a run game and you're not too far behind in the game and you've got plenty of time..or a stud veteran qb who knows what he's doing.

The philosophy also lends itself to long 10 plus play drives...which are hard to sustain if your run game stinks and/or when u run out of field... Thats why you've got to rip off 15-20 yard chunks pretty regularly. It lets defenses know that if you even sniff the red zone 1 well placed strike from the 20 could be the dagger. In essence It keeps cbs and LB's from jumping routes while you're matriculating down the field.
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Why can't it work late when you need points, ala KC?

Why can't your qb know what he's doing and be on his way to being a stud veteran? Do they all come out of the qb womb stud veteran's?

A weak running game can be compensated for by good play calling, that's been established often in this day & age.

I said with punches downfield to test coverage, that's part of trying to pick up chunks. And that's what Mal's done.

Again, I don't see the fuss based on what we've seen from the guy in this offense. He's not annointed yet, but the foundation appears ready.
This should be fun. Eh.
 
Mr teX said:
It works to a point. Taking what the defense gives you works just fine when you've got a run game and you're not too far behind in the game and you've got plenty of time..or a stud veteran qb who knows what he's doing.

The philosophy also lends itself to long 10 plus play drives...which are hard to sustain if your run game stinks and/or when u run out of field... Thats why you've got to rip off 15-20 yard chunks pretty regularly. It lets defenses know that if you even sniff the red zone 1 well placed strike from the 20 could be the dagger. In essence It keeps cbs and LB's from jumping routes while you're matriculating down the field.
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Brady has been doing it for years, and I'd have to say it's worked out pretty well for him.
 
EllisUnit said:
Brady has been doing it for years, and I'd have to say it's worked out pretty well for him.
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It's worked for every top QB in the league for years. Nobody constantly throws it deep, then you're just predictable.

I don't even know what he's talking about really. The KC game he was slinging it all over the field, moving the chains. The Cleveland game he was methodical and took his shots when he wanted. He picked up blitzes and wasn't sacked once.
 
Mr teX said:
Yeah a guy throwing it 30 times and only getting 211 yards tells you all you need to know about how much he was pushing it downfield. Take away the Hopkins 41 yarder and that's David Carresque.

And lol what game were u watching where he connected on deep and mid range throws in the KC game? most of those throws were were closer to that 6-10 yd range than 15+ yard chunks. They look like they are long b/c he works almost exclusively out of shotgun, but by the LOS measurement, they're around that 10-12 yd range max most times.
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I finally figure it out why the Mallet you describe throws like a girl...............He is a protege of Belichick...............

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Mr teX said:
The philosophy also lends itself to long 10 plus play drives...which are hard to sustain if your run game stinks and/or when u run out of field... Thats why you've got to rip off 15-20 yard chunks pretty regularly. It lets defenses know that if you even sniff the red zone 1 well placed strike from the 20 could be the dagger. In essence It keeps cbs and LB's from jumping routes while you're matriculating down the field.
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Uh... Who does that regularly?

Our eagerness to anoint the guy may be annoying, but contrarianism is worse.
 
Brisco_County said:
Uh... Who does that regularly?

Our eagerness to anoint the guy may be annoying, but contrarianism is worse.
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Yup, last post on this subject until further evidence one way or another.

If QBs regularly were long balling and ripping off 15-20 the game would have changed long ago from 4 downs to get 10 yds, and RBs would be obselete.

And FFS Mallett only got 13 passes last weekend. His last 3 completions (of 8) were all over 15, with admittedly a missed throw to Graham but that's why no QB finishes the season with an 80% completion percentage at all much less 15 plus.

Unreasonable standards reflect on the critic not the subject.
 
Mallett has played two and 1/3 games in the nfl and some of y'all are expecting his stats to be elite. You have to let him play some games to get a feel of what he brings. That's how it works. Ask Hoyer.


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TexansBull said:
Mallett has played two and 1/3 games in the nfl and some of y'all are expecting his stats to be elite. You have to let him play some games to get a feel of what he brings. That's how it works. Ask Hoyer.


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Agreed.

I wanted Mallett over Bridgewater last season. I tought he was exactly what we needed to jumpstart our team in the Bill O'Brien era. Young prospect, hadn't been beaten up in this league, knew the system. But it didn't appear OB felt the same way. For whatever reason.

I really don't know what to expect from Mallett. No more than I would if Bridgewater, or Garopolo were our QB. But I'm excited. I'm hopeful. I can't wait to find out.

If he was a rookie making his third NFL start, I'd expect a run heavy game plan. & a game managing role. But he's not a rookie.

I think OB is going to test him early, put a lot on his plate with a pass heavy offense. I'm hoping Mallett rises to the occasion and put up elite numbers because of that... passing the test that is.
 
I expect overreactions either way.

If he doesn't play well (without Foster and Duane) he's a scrub. If he plays even average he's Big Ben.

I don't know what to expect long term. I'm just hoping he's not Cutler, a guy you waste years on because he obviously has the physical tools but just can't put it all together. But that's thinking way beyond just this game.

I do think he'll play well today. High completion percentage but with low yards per attempt. A couple of redzone TDs but also an INT that leaves us scratching our heads.

We should win. Carolina has nothing on offense, and Watt should have a field day. Our offense would pretty much have to **** the bed today for us to lose. Carolina does have a stout defense, but missing their best player.
 
Mallett needs more experience. His arm excites me and we should continuously start Mallett. I hope, we can improve our OL to give Mallett a little more time to throw.
 
I just realized...... in 2007, we played Kansas City in week 1. We played Carolina in week 2.

We won both games with a first time starting QB (Matt Schaub) who put up a 101 passer rating & a 119 passer rating respectively.
 
No, TK, was, and still is, very much right about what he said BEFORE the game yesterday...and even AFTER the game yesterday I'm still excited to see what Mallett can do. I just hope he doesn't get murdered behind that OL.

So, it's all a matter of perspective, right? If you view Mallett as a 4 start player, coming into the Tampa Bay game - almost like a second year player, in fact, you'll have more fun watching the games.

Therefore, is playing Mallett now the equivalent of a Bridgewater, Bortles, cross- our-fingers-and-hope-he's-good kind of deal? Almost, because it's still inexcusable to me for OB to use Fitz as a one year rental when we had Mallett on the bench.

Okay, fine, so Mallett sat the bench. Now he's in year two, and he had better play every single one of these games and pray he gets better. Pray he gains experience. I don't want to sit in QB purgatory another year.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Brett wrote that up the week of the trade. It was posted in at least one of the other threads.

It's a really good write-up and it confirmed what I thought I was seeing when I looked at his limited tape. It's also a big part of why I was so pumped and so expecting to see Mallett earlier.
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The Pencil Neck said:
Brett wrote that up the week of the trade. It was posted in at least one of the other threads.

It's a really good write-up and it confirmed what I thought I was seeing when I looked at his limited tape. It's also a big part of why I was so pumped and so expecting to see Mallett earlier.
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There's no guarantees w/Mallett...but there's no guarantees w/any young QB. The only way to get a true read on their ceiling is To Play Them (in real games) for at least 1 full season....It's not fair or rational for a coach to think HE can see whether a kid QB is going to be bad, good or great based on practice, scrimmage, or 2 or 3 games. C'mon man...The smart coaches identity the amount & attributes of raw talent the kid has. Then if the kid has (for instance) great size for an NFL QB, great arm strength, is intelligent, has some leader ship qualities, etc (things you can't teach) the coach develops him by teaching solid technique, how to read defenses, time management ectc & most important, he allows the kid a REAL opportunity to grow his experience by playing at least 1 full season. I can't predict Malletts future but I do see some good raw talent and a number of attributes that no one can teach. ( size, intelligence, arm strength, etc) So I really believe this kid deserves a close extended look.
 
During Monday's 'Bill O'Brien Show" on Texans Radio, the head coach detailed a few key areas where Mallett can get better.

"Part of what we have to work on this week, some of the checkdowns and the shorter throws," O'Brien said. "He does throw very hard. We've gotta work on his footwork. Some of those things he can clean up. When he's on the money with his footwork, and his throwing motion and things like that, he's really very, very good."

...O'Brien stressed that game reps will go a long way toward the fifth-year quarterback's improvement.

"I think the more he plays, the better he'll get," O'Brien said. "When you look at it, he's only played really three games in this League. So I think the more experience he gets, the better he'll get."​


Sunday will be Mal's 3rd non-injured NFL start.
 
When I listened to that something became very clear: O'Brien has moved on from Hoyer. What we saw in game 1 was enough to convince him that despite looking ok in practice, in a GAME TIME situation, Hoyer turns into David Carr at his foetus impersonating worst. Works hard, intelligent, first in last out, all that good stuff. But when it counts, he can't cut it.

What O'Brien is recognizing with Mallett, is that he's not perfect, but there's fixable things that can be done to make him a serviceable and perhaps even decent NFL starter. At least, that's what I took away from that segment.
 
Playoffs said:
During Monday's 'Bill O'Brien Show" on Texans Radio, the head coach detailed a few key areas where Mallett can get better.

"Part of what we have to work on this week, some of the checkdowns and the shorter throws," O'Brien said. "He does throw very hard. We've gotta work on his footwork. Some of those things he can clean up. When he's on the money with his footwork, and his throwing motion and things like that, he's really very, very good."

...O'Brien stressed that game reps will go a long way toward the fifth-year quarterback's improvement.

"I think the more he plays, the better he'll get," O'Brien said. "When you look at it, he's only played really three games in this League. So I think the more experience he gets, the better he'll get."​


Sunday will be Mal's 3rd non-injured NFL start.
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Hmmmm.....

That sounds like OB is making mallett his guy for the season at least. Like he's going to go ahead and give him the year to see what he's got.

Funny....
 
markn said:
When I listened to that something became very clear: O'Brien has moved on from Hoyer. What we saw in game 1 was enough to convince him that despite looking ok in practice, in a GAME TIME situation, Hoyer turns into David Carr at his foetus impersonating worst. Works hard, intelligent, first in last out, all that good stuff. But when it counts, he can't cut it.

What O'Brien is recognizing with Mallett, is that he's not perfect, but there's fixable things that can be done to make him a serviceable and perhaps even decent NFL starter. At least, that's what I took away from that segment.
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Dang...I posted before I read what you wrote.

I got the exact same impression.


To me it just frustrates me a little more that OB would not see something so obvious And wasted time and valuable reps that mallett could have gotten.
 
ghostlight said:
I came away feeling the timing and velocity can be fixed. I ''m very concerned about our running game at this point.
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We should be, none of our opponents are. Watch the all 22 film when I post it. the Panthers were not even a tiny bit worried about our running game, or lack thereof.
 
Playoffs said:
During Monday's 'Bill O'Brien Show" on Texans Radio, the head coach detailed a few key areas where Mallett can get better.

"Part of what we have to work on this week, some of the checkdowns and the shorter throws," O'Brien said. "He does throw very hard. We've gotta work on his footwork. Some of those things he can clean up. When he's on the money with his footwork, and his throwing motion and things like that, he's really very, very good."

...O'Brien stressed that game reps will go a long way toward the fifth-year quarterback's improvement.

"I think the more he plays, the better he'll get," O'Brien said. "When you look at it, he's only played really three games in this League. So I think the more experience he gets, the better he'll get."​


Sunday will be Mal's 3rd non-injured NFL start.
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Am I alone in being concerned that a 4-5 year vet doesn't have his footwork down??
 
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
Mallett gave us almost 10 one-word answers during his regular media session.

Mallett "We have to execute our offense."

Mallett "We have to put it (Carolina) behind us, correct our mistakes and work hard to get a win."

Mallett won't talk about his performance other than to say he has to play better. "You learn from it and get ready to play next week."​


Learned well, young master, from the dark side... :truck:

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ObsiWan said:
Am I alone in being concerned that a 4-5 year vet doesn't have his footwork down??
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I guess we shouldn't be surprised he has shortcomings. Unless O'Brien is totally clueless, Mallett needs some work or he'd have started a lot sooner this year and last.
 
Runner said:
I guess we shouldn't be surprised he has shortcomings. Unless O'Brien is totally clueless, Mallett needs some work or he'd have started a lot sooner this year and last.
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He just needs the actual playing time, then film review to be able to work on those things in practice. Live reps are everything for a developing QB. They years he spent behind Brady did not amount to much in terms of first team reps since Brady insists on taking them all.
 
I think people are letting the disappointment of losing cloud their judgement of Mallet. If you look at things in the proper prospective and leave out negative emotions you can't be to down on his play. Two starts, terrible banged up OL, no run game, WR's dropping Lot of passes, don't see how anyone can be down on an inexperienced guy this soon.
 
ObsiWan said:
Am I alone in being concerned that a 4-5 year vet doesn't have his footwork down??
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Maybe.

Personally I thought his footwork was flawless in the preseason, in Cleveland, but I didn't pay too much attention to it in Kansas City. In Carolina, I noticed he had reached the bottom of his drop several times & still hadn't decided where he wanted to go with the ball.

Then there were several occasions when he wasn't able to step in the direction of his throw, but that was because someone was in his way.

Then just about every throw he made on the move, I didn't think he did a good job of getting his feet under him, which baffled me why the throws he made were as accurate as they were in those situations.

So it really depends on what exactly OB means by "work on his footwork" Maybe OB has some Jedi trick for setting his feet when there are 300lb linemen in his lap.

Maybe he wants Mallett to work on setting up after he's climbed the pocket. Something along those lines.
 
Riddle me this, Batman:

How the hell does a 6 foot 7 QB get his balls batted down at the line of scrimmage so many times?
 
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