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gwallaia

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Assuming Arian Foster is healthy and ready to go for the season opener. How do you think Grimes and Blue will be used once the season starts?
 
I think we'll see them sprinkled in. Giving Arian some bench time. Kind of like the previous guy should have done w Foster and Tate.
 
gwallaia said:
Assuming Arian Foster is healthy and ready to go for the season opener. How do you think Grimes and Blue will be used once the season starts?
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I think Grimes will be trusted more early to pick up protection, but I expect to see more rotation than we've seen with a "bell-cow" RB in the past... especially as the season moves on.

Just don't put the ball on the ground.
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gwallaia said:
Assuming Arian Foster is healthy and ready to go for the season opener. How do you think Grimes and Blue will be used once the season starts?
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To start the season I think they will be mixed in pretty much in pure breather roles, not to take any specialty role. If one shows a hot hand or starts fumbling then that job will fall almost all to one of them with Foster's role unchanged except in the event of injury.

PapaL said:
I think we'll see them sprinkled in. Giving Arian some bench time. Kind of like the previous guy should have done w Foster and Tate.
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You mean like when Tate was just shy of 1000 yds? - oh, that was the previous guy.
 
I have liked what I have seen from both Grimes and Blue in the preseason. Also Prosch has looked good. If the offensive line gels, I feel we are going to have a good running game this season.
 
gwallaia said:
I have liked what I have seen from both Grimes and Blue in the preseason. Also Prosch has looked good. If the offensive line gels, I feel we are going to have a good running game this season.
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Something that I have been thinking about is the use of our TE's.

I don't think O'Brien has shown yet how they will be utilized fully.

That in itself could change the dynamic of our run game and the short to medium pass game as well.
 
DBCooper said:
Something that I have been thinking about is the use of our TE's.

I don't think O'Brien has shown yet how they will be utilized fully.

That in itself could change the dynamic of our run game and the short to medium pass game as well.
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I think we may see plenty of 2 TE sets this season.
 
PapaL said:
I think we'll see them sprinkled in. Giving Arian some bench time. Kind of like the previous guy should have done w Foster and Tate.
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That's what I'm hoping to see.

If one guy (Ben Tate) is obviously having a good game, he should be getting more carries, instead of trusting his gut that the other guy (Arian) is about to break one, & it never happens.
 
It's seems to me that O'Brien's had a propensity to use Blue in goal line and short yardage situations. That's a strength of Foster's, but it wouldn't surprise me if that continued to some extent.
 
I'd like to see Foster as much as possible because he is a playmaker but his health issues pretty much means we're gonna see alot from Blue and Grimes. That's ok with me beacuse I think they are capable RB's but the Oline really is the key. I haven't been too impressed with the run blocking in the preseason. I hope continuity and health in the Oline leads to a good running attack, lord knows the passing game is gonna suck with Fitzfumbles at QB.
 
Playoffs said:
I think Grimes will be trusted more early to pick up protection, but I expect to see more rotation than we've seen with a "bell-cow" RB in the past... especially as the season moves on.

Just don't put the ball on the ground.
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Come to think of it, have we seen any fumbles so far ?
 
I think we are going to see a lot of Grimes and Blue this season. I like Foster, but historically, a RB with as many carries per season as he's had mixed with back problems indicates that this best years are most likely behind him (not to mention that Foster's mentality of looking ahead past his football career could factor into it, as well).

Blue looks like the real deal, though, and I really look forward to seeing what this kid is all about. He's already picking up blitzes, and once he can be a consistent receiver out of the backfield, this offense could do some great things at mixing up looks.

I'm not completely sold on Grimes, yet. He shows signs of potential, but he tends to look like he could go down with the first hit many times.
 
Double Barrel said:
I'm not completely sold on Grimes, yet. He shows signs of potential, but he tends to look like he could go down with the first hit many times.
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Grimes is the new Ryan Moats. Looks good enough some of the time and will do in a pinch but we need to be aiming higher than that. Works as a compliment to a better back.
 
That Matt Schaub trade looking really good right about now. Hope it continues to look good and even gets better looking as the seasons go by.
 
thunderkyss said:
That's what I'm hoping to see.

If one guy (Ben Tate) is obviously having a good game, he should be getting more carries, instead of trusting his gut that the other guy (Arian) is about to break one, & it never happens.
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I always thought Kubes limiting Tate's carries because of his fumblitis condition, especially down the stretch.
 
But Brown is a vet who understands protections very well, and may still have some life as a pass catcher to boot. Granted, his running hasn't been that good, but as the 4th guy who could spot start, why not.

I'm not as down on him as you guys are. I'm not sure if he makes it or not, but if the inevitable happens, do you want Grimes and Blue blocking blitzers or Brown who has done it well for years. especially early in the year. Just sayin...
 
Porky said:
But Brown is a vet who understands protections very well, and may still have some life as a pass catcher to boot. Granted, his running hasn't been that good, but as the 4th guy who could spot start, why not.

I'm not as down on him as you guys are. I'm not sure if he makes it or not, but if the inevitable happens, do you want Grimes and Blue blocking blitzers or Brown who has done it well for years. especially early in the year. Just sayin...
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I'm not down on him, if they keep four RB. I just don't expect them to keep four.
 
They aren't keeping brown over grimes.

Even if we keep 4 backs, I'd rather it not be brown. Might be someone better on the wire. Brown is not going to play special teams and he's not going to scare anyone on offense.
 
Porky said:
But Brown is a vet who understands protections very well, and may still have some life as a pass catcher to boot. Granted, his running hasn't been that good, but as the 4th guy who could spot start, why not.

I'm not as down on him as you guys are. I'm not sure if he makes it or not, but if the inevitable happens, do you want Grimes and Blue blocking blitzers or Brown who has done it well for years. especially early in the year. Just sayin...
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i feel the same way. to me ronnie brown brings more to the team than grimes does. on 3rd down passing situations you dont want a rookie or very inexperienced guy out there when foster subs, you want a great blocker who also knows where the first down marker is. late game situations as well, you want a veteran holding the rock and knowing what he needs to do.

with the current state of runningbacks in the NFL it should be relatively safe to get grimes through waivers and put him on the practice squad. if we're healthy he's got very little chance of seeing the field. if foster gets hurt we need a veteran in the stable and can bring grimes up.
 
Hervoyel said:
Grimes is the new Ryan Moats. Looks good enough some of the time and will do in a pinch but we need to be aiming higher than that. Works as a compliment to a better back.
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I like Ryan Moats a good deal, hopefully however Grimes or Blue will destroy my memory of Moats (and I'll throw in Tate as well) creating a excellent running attack that will make up for any other flaws our offense will have this season.
 
Grimes won't make the final 53. Why did they bring in Brown??
 
humblegeo said:
Grimes won't make the final 53. Why did they bring in Brown??
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As an extra RB in preseason. They cut two RB's right before they brought in Brown so they were short a RB. They also brought in William Powell, who was just cut, the same time they brought Brown in.
 
Naija Texan said:
I like Ryan Moats a good deal, hopefully however Grimes or Blue will destroy my memory of Moats (and I'll throw in Tate as well) creating a excellent running attack that will make up for any other flaws our offense will have this season.
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The blocking has looked pretty good at the LOS, then grimes is getting another three plus on his own. I think once we tighten up on the second level & down field blocking, Grimes (& especially Blue) will look more like a feature back.


Yeah that does sound a bit home risk doesn't it?
 
Hervoyel said:
Grimes is the new Ryan Moats. Looks good enough some of the time and will do in a pinch but we need to be aiming higher than that. Works as a compliment to a better back.
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yep & Foster and Blue are better backs. I like Brown for his receiving but with our QBs we need backs who can run and block. We go with 3.
 
Hervoyel said:
Grimes is the new Ryan Moats. Looks good enough some of the time and will do in a pinch but we need to be aiming higher than that. Works as a compliment to a better back.
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Grimes will stay because he's good at picking up the blitz as well as running.
 
Foster, Blue, and Grimes plus Prosch as the fullback seems fitting to me, though Brown has played decently considering what's asked of him and wouldn't mind if he's one of the first guys we call if one of the RBs are injured.
 
They way I see it happening (and how I'd personally do it) is Grimes relieves Arian between the 20s, and then Blue could possibly do it for some red-zone power running packages.
 
Mari-OWNED! said:
They way I see it happening (and how I'd personally do it) is Grimes relieves Arian between the 20s, and then Blue could possibly do it for some red-zone power running packages.
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you lose any semblance of rhythm with that much subbing in run situations. there are only so many carries a game, and backs get stronger with each carry. we'll average between 25-30 carries a game, it hurts productivity to have that much swapping. 15 foster and 10 blue, or something similar with a random carry or two for the 3rd stringer is the ideal.

subbing into passing situations however is a way to give a back a breather. that's where brown wins over grimes (and blue). grimes's 1-2 carries at most arent going to do anything, while brown subbing on 3rd downs and late game situations will have him on the field relatively often.
 
Scooter said:
you lose any semblance of rhythm with that much subbing in run situations. there are only so many carries a game, and backs get stronger with each carry. we'll average between 25-30 carries a game, it hurts productivity to have that much swapping. 15 foster and 10 blue, or something similar with a random carry or two for the 3rd stringer is the ideal.

subbing into passing situations however is a way to give a back a breather. that's where brown wins over grimes. grimes's 1-2 carries at most arent going to do anything, while brown subbing on 3rd downs and late game situations will have him on the field relatively often.
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I'd still give Arian the extreme majority of the carries, because even with his injury history he's still easily the best playmaker at the position they've got. With that said, I don't see your "rhythm" argument applying here.

It's not crazy to have three RBs have carries in a game. Hell the Patriots have done it on more than just a few occasions with Ridley, Vereen, and Bolden. Also cannot forget the Giants using Jacobs, Bradshaw, and Ward during one of their Super Bowl runs.
 
Mari-OWNED! said:
I'd still give Arian the extreme majority of the carries, because even with his injury history he's still easily the best playmaker at the position they've got. With that said, I don't see your "rhythm" argument applying here.

It's not crazy to have three RBs have carries in a game. Hell the Patriots have done it on more than just a few occasions with Ridley, Vereen, and Bolden.
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Another example would be the 2008 Giants where they had Brandon Jacobs, Derrick Ward, and Ahmad Bradshaw.
 
Mari-OWNED! said:
I'd still give Arian the extreme majority of the carries, because even with his injury history he's still easily the best playmaker at the position they've got. With that said, I don't see your "rhythm" argument applying here.

It's not crazy to have three RBs have carries in a game. Hell the Patriots have done it on more than just a few occasions with Ridley, Vereen, and Bolden. Also cannot forget the Giants using Jacobs, Bradshaw, and Ward during one of their Super Bowl runs.
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i'd also give arian the majority of the carries, of course depending on how the game goes. the reason you give arian the lion's share is because not only is he the most talented, he gets better as the game goes on - because he gets in a rhythm - he adapts to how his line is able to handle each situation as well as what the defenders' tendencies are. sometimes he started cold while tate was hot, a situation kubiak failed at ... he forced foster back into a situation he wasnt fit for, while the better option was to allow tate to find and exploit that rhythm. 3rd stringer doesnt come into play because foster becomes the sub.

it's not crazy to give 3 guys carries - if you dont have a lead back. you've strongly contradicted yourself. if arian's getting the load, and blue is the second, we're out of carries. you've given 2 examples from singular seasons from teams without a feature back, not applicable. that only comes into play if arian gets injured, in which you'd want to call up a PS player (grimes) and have a veteran in the stable (brown) - then the full rotation becomes an option/necessity.
 
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