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Rosenfels Signs with Texans

I don't see how he is an upgrade over Banks. He is another prototype size guy with no instinct or intangibles with a career 49.5 completion % heading into season 6....The Texans seem to like ideal prototype guys who have no game instinct.
 
I really don't understand them looking at Rosenfels, Brian Griese just got cut so I think he'd be a solid enough veteran (if he's willing to be a backup) and has experience with Kubiak's system, so I think if we can get him at a decent price that he should be our top choice at QB free agent signing.
 
MorKnolle said:
I really don't understand them looking at Rosenfels, Brian Griese just got cut so I think he'd be a solid enough veteran (if he's willing to be a backup) and has experience with Kubiak's system, so I think if we can get him at a decent price that he should be our top choice at QB free agent signing.
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I think he will be demanding to much money.
 
Bubbajwp said:
I think he will be demanding to much money.
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Yeah, I'm not sure how much money he'll be looking for and if he's trying to find a starting job or if he's content as a backup. I think he would at least be worth a call to come in for a workout and discuss contract requirements.
 
BlueTexan said:
I don't know Delhomme didn't play much for 5 seasons and became a good QB in Carolina after they gave him a chance. Who knows maybe he will be like Delhomme?:twocents:
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I thought the next Delhomme was Dave Ragone......:confused:
 
I guess you guys signed Sage...

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...sage,0,6629793.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

Rosenfels agrees to terms with Texans

By Alex Marvez and Harvey Fialkov
Staff Writers
Posted March 11 2006, 9:07 PM EST


Dolphins free-agent backup quarterback Sage Rosenfels agreed to terms with the Houston Texans Saturday on a four-year deal worth $7 million, including a $2 million signing bonus, according to a source.

Rosenfels, 28, originally drafted by the Redskins in 2001, has been primarily a backup for the Dolphins since 2002. He made his first start in the 2004 season finale against the Ravens. Last season, he was beat out for the starting job by Gus Frerotte, however, an injured finger sustained by Frerotte gave Rosenfels his second career start against the Browns on Nov. 20.


Rosenfels struggled, going just 5 of 10 for 14 yards before being replaced by Frerotte in the 22-0 loss to the Browns. However, Rosenfels redeemed himself when he relieved a woozy Frerotte at the end of the third quarter of Game 12 with the Dolphins trailing the Bills 23-3.

Rosenfels completed 22 of 37 for 272 yards and two touchdowns to direct the Dolphins to a 24-23 victory, the greatest fourth-quarter comeback in franchise history.
 
Jets2878 said:
I guess you guys signed Sage...

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...sage,0,6629793.story?coll=sfla-dolphins-front

Rosenfels agrees to terms with Texans

By Alex Marvez and Harvey Fialkov
Staff Writers
Posted March 11 2006, 9:07 PM EST


Dolphins free-agent backup quarterback Sage Rosenfels agreed to terms with the Houston Texans Saturday on a four-year deal worth $7 million, including a $2 million signing bonus, according to a source.

Rosenfels, 28, originally drafted by the Redskins in 2001, has been primarily a backup for the Dolphins since 2002. He made his first start in the 2004 season finale against the Ravens. Last season, he was beat out for the starting job by Gus Frerotte, however, an injured finger sustained by Frerotte gave Rosenfels his second career start against the Browns on Nov. 20.


Rosenfels struggled, going just 5 of 10 for 14 yards before being replaced by Frerotte in the 22-0 loss to the Browns. However, Rosenfels redeemed himself when he relieved a woozy Frerotte at the end of the third quarter of Game 12 with the Dolphins trailing the Bills 23-3.

Rosenfels completed 22 of 37 for 272 yards and two touchdowns to direct the Dolphins to a 24-23 victory, the greatest fourth-quarter comeback in franchise history.
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Brilliant. now nobody will expect us to draft VY:homer:
 
TexanFan881 said:
He was the #3 QB on the Miami Dolphins. Enough said.
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Whoa now, give the man some credit for his vanquished foes! :) He was the #2 man last season, ahead of the mighty Cleo Lemon.


This isn't an upgrade, but it gets the backup younger...it'll be interesting to see whether Rosenfels can beat out Ragone for the backup spot. One thing's been consistent in Miami, though...Sage is always a preseason MVP who looks like he's heading into a breakout year, then somehow manages to slide to the end of the bench. To be fair, last year was the first real regular season playing time he'd ever had, and it didn't start pretty. Maybe the move'll kick-start him and he'll be solid backup for the Texans.
 
Sage did some okay stuff last year when he played a few games. His first game against the Browns couldn't have gone worse, but he bounced back in a big way against the Bills and got like 300 yards and 2 TDs in a win. That's more than we'll ever get from a hack like Tony Banks.

The Dude Abides said:
What exactly is the point of drafting/having Dave Ragone now?
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As a third-string QB, obviously.
 
Vinny said:
The Texans seem to like ideal prototype guys who have no game instinct.
BlueTexan said:
I don't know Delhomme didn't play much for 5 seasons and became a good QB in Carolina after they gave him a chance. Who knows maybe he will be like Delhomme?:twocents:
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Delhomme isn't a prototype anything at QB. He has an average arm, average body, and can't beat anyone in a footrace. He's the exact opposite type of player I was referring to. Delhomme is an excellent QB, but he is intangibles and instincts instead of ideal measurables.
 
What's the point in even keeping Banks on the roster though? If he ever has to enter another game, it's a guaranteed loss. He couldn't even beat the Niners. The NINERS.

Not to mention Tony Banks once lost his starting job to TRENT DILFER.

Hell, even before he was on the Ravens, look what happened with the Rams. They were one of the worst teams in the league when he was starting. Then, when they exchanged Banks for Kurt Warner in '99, they went from junk to Superbowl champs overnight. That's how bad Tony Banks is.

There is no point is having him. We'd have a better shot at winning a game if we stuck Reggie Bush under center and ran an option offense than if we told Tony Banks to throw.
 
Tulip said:
Wouldn't it have been cheaper to keep Banks?
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Yes, I think it will be another half million or so a year. I'm not sure how much of an upgrade Rosenfels is over Banks, but he is younger and a little more mobile than Banks, but I really don't understand this move either, and I'm not real sure why they signed Anthony Weaver at all, especially for the money that they apparently signed him for.

Snapple said:
What's the point in even keeping Banks on the roster though? If he ever has to enter another game, it's a guaranteed loss. He couldn't even beat the Niners. The NINERS.

Not to mention Tony Banks once lost his starting job to TRENT DILFER.

Hell, even before he was on the Ravens, look what happened with the Rams. They were one of the worst teams in the league when he was starting. Then, when they exchanged Banks for Kurt Warner in '99, they went from junk to Superbowl champs overnight. That's how bad Tony Banks is.

There is no point is having him. We'd have a better shot at winning a game if we stuck Reggie Bush under center and ran an option offense than if we told Tony Banks to throw.
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Warner actually stepped in for Trent Green when he got injured.
 
why didn't miami with all of their quarterback woes... um.. keep him? are we looking to push carr, or just spend too much on a backup?
 
Also, Scouts Inc. had Tony Banks graded higher on the free agent list than Sage Rosenfels.

I'm still not getting it.
 
BradK10 said:
we're giving that kinda money to a clipboard holder? wonderful...
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What, did you expect him to play for free? This is the NFL. You pay big bucks for QB's. LIve with it. Nobody on this board ever thinks we got X player for the right price. Its always... "oh my god!!! We payed how much for this guy!!!!"
 
THE NFL DRAFT said:
What, did you expect him to play for free? This is the NFL. You pay big bucks for QB's. LIve with it. Nobody on this board ever thinks we got X player for the right price. Its always... "oh my god!!! We payed how much for this guy!!!!"
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And arent we always right? Cough...todd wade. Cough...morlon greenwood. Cough....etc.
 
the main problem I have with this is the money now makes it a KNOWN fact that the Texans will NOT be looking at a QB as pick #1 anymore. Bush just made it to the top of the list, obviously he was already there or close to it, but it wasn't a 'for sure' thing, till we went and signed Rosenfels for this amount of money.

what is it with the Texans 'showing their cards' for the #1 pick so early in the offseason. :confused:
 
THE NFL DRAFT said:
What, did you expect him to play for free? This is the NFL. You pay big bucks for QB's. LIve with it. Nobody on this board ever thinks we got X player for the right price. Its always... "oh my god!!! We payed how much for this guy!!!!"
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Maybe it's just that nobody can figure out WHY. I mean, if he was an unknown with great potential, or a solid older vet (Kitna), or various other things he's not, well, greatness! But, uh, it's Sage Rosenfels! He's got 3RD STRING tattooed on his forehead. He's not gonna push Lil' Davy Carr very hard--oh! could that be reason enough to sign him?

Beginning to believe Carr has something serious on McNair & Co.
 
thegr8fan said:
the main problem I have with this is the money now makes it a KNOWN fact that the Texans will NOT be looking at a QB as pick #1 anymore.
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Wow I thought picking up Carr's option made that pretty apparent or maybe it would be the countless number of times the new FO backed Carr.
 
thegr8fan said:
the main problem I have with this is the money now makes it a KNOWN fact that the Texans will NOT be looking at a QB as pick #1 anymore. Bush just made it to the top of the list, obviously he was already there or close to it, but it wasn't a 'for sure' thing, till we went and signed Rosenfels for this amount of money.

what is it with the Texans 'showing their cards' for the #1 pick so early in the offseason. :confused:
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I think it was pretty obvious the Texans weren't going to take a QB at the #1 pick for the last couple weeks anyways, and I don't think many teams ever believed we were going to.
 
it is a difference between 'maybe' and 'definitely not', which is a huge difference when you are talking of trading with teams who ARE looking at QB's.

Carr being re-signed did not mean we would not look at a QB at #1. We could have very easily used the 'future prospect QB' who was going to get a year to learn the NFL. It would have been unusual, but not unheard of.

Rosenfels and his contract numbers means we are 'definitely NOT' now.
 
Nighthawk said:
Maybe it's just that nobody can figure out WHY. I mean, if he was an unknown with great potential, or a solid older vet (Kitna), or various other things he's not, well, greatness! But, uh, it's Sage Rosenfels! He's got 3RD STRING tattooed on his forehead. He's not gonna push Lil' Davy Carr very hard--oh! could that be reason enough to sign him?

Beginning to believe Carr has something serious on McNair & Co.
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That last line shows how desperate some are to find anything they can to discredit the FACT that the current coach/OC/ and the special assistant to the GM (or whatever Reeves title is) believe in Carr. Kubiak knows more about caoching QBs then anyone on this board, past, present or future. Hell he probaly knows more about it then all of us put together. So why don't we step away from the hatorade and do like it says on teh money in our wallets:

"In Kubiak We Trust"
 
Great, now Carr has to "fight" for the starting job against Ragone and Rosenfels. That's a battle to watch in training camp. :sarcasm:
 
thegr8fan said:
it is a difference between 'maybe' and 'definitely not', which is a huge difference when you are talking of trading with teams who ARE looking at QB's.

Carr being re-signed did not mean we would not look at a QB at #1. We could have very easily used the 'future prospect QB' who was going to get a year to learn the NFL. It would have been unusual, but not unheard of.

Rosenfels and his contract numbers means we are 'definitely NOT' now.
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Everybody in the know (i.e. everybody not named McClain or outside of Texas) knew we weren't taking a QB #1 before this move and this move only HELPS are efforts in trading down. It sends a message to all the people that DID have doubts (which wasn't many) that we aren't planning on taking a QB and might be willing to entertain trade offers, especially with Charlie's comments at the combine. This doesn't hurt our trade down efforts (if there is any) it only helps it.
 
It sends a message to all the people that DID have doubts (which wasn't many) that we aren't planning on taking a QB and might be willing to entertain trade offers, especially with Charlie's comments at the combine. This doesn't hurt our trade down efforts (if there is any) it only helps it.
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It tells all involved that we are not going after a QB, so anyone wanting to trade to get their favorite one knows it is available, is that what you are saying? I can see the logic, but doesn't that box us into picking Bush in the event no one wants to 'pony up' for a trade? That is the part I don't like. We have just closed our own options off.
 
thegr8fan said:
It tells all involved that we are not going after a QB, so anyone wanting to trade to get their favorite one knows it is available, is that what you are saying? I can see the logic, but doesn't that box us into picking Bush in the event no one wants to 'pony up' for a trade? That is the part I don't like. We have just closed our own options off.
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When we picked up Carr's option it told the league that we weren't looking for a qb and as we stand right now I believe we are entertaining trading offers.

The thing that would hurt our trade offers the worst would be if N.O. acquires Brees, because that would mean teams wouldn't have to trade up to the #1 spot to get the QB of their choice, they could trade with N.O.

Just because we don't want a QB at #1 doesn't mean we are drafting bush, we have multiple needs, especially with D'Brick sitting there. Bush is just the national consensus #1 pick. Having said that, I do believe that if no solid offers present themselves we will draft Bush, but thats pretty much been the case all along.
 
LCROD said:
Besides the linked article, havent seen anything on any of the "Major" sports networks.
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I haven't either. I saw those couple articles on it but haven't seen it on NFL.com or ESPN.com transaction pages or free agent tracker pages and CNNSI.com doesn't have any mention of them either, and the Texans website only has something on Jameel Cook, so I wonder if these two deals have actually been finalized or if there is some speculation involved (at least the Rosenfels one had a specific salary mentioned, the Weaver one only has a ball-park figure that an article earlier in the day mentioned what he'd probably be looking for and that he was working out for the Texans today).
 
THIS has Charley Casserly written all over it.

Honestly, was 3rd string QB that much of a need ?

Sage "GET off the STAGE" Rosenfels

How do we bring in players like this and pay them millions to sit on the bench, when we have GLARING holes on the STARTING teams, on both sides of the ball, that haven't been addressed yet ?


COME ON CHARLEY, this is disgusting!!!

WHO is paying Charley under the table to sabotage this franchise ? Its so obvious, its pathetic.
 
MorKnolle said:
I haven't either. I saw those couple articles on it but haven't seen it on NFL.com or ESPN.com transaction pages or free agent tracker pages and CNNSI.com doesn't have any mention of them either, and the Texans website only has something on Jameel Cook, so I wonder if these two deals have actually been finalized or if there is some speculation involved (at least the Rosenfels one had a specific salary mentioned, the Weaver one only has a ball-park figure that an article earlier in the day mentioned what he'd probably be looking for and that he was working out for the Texans today).
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Yeah I'm still not sure about this signing. If figure no one has reported it, the money seems to high for a possible 3rd QB. The real odd part is if we are in the market for a another QB, why not draft one late in the draft? They'd have the same experience as Sage, but at 5-7th round price.
 
Vinny said:
I don't see how he is an upgrade over Banks. He is another prototype size guy with no instinct or intangibles with a career 49.5 completion % heading into season 6....The Texans seem to like ideal prototype guys who have no game instinct.
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I wonder if we could lure Ryan Leaf back to the NFL.
 
Found it on KFFL.com:

Texans | Rosenfels signed
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:12:02 -0800

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans have signed free agent QB Sage Rosenfels to a four-year, $6.4 million contract that included a $2 million signing bonus. He will take over for QB Tony Banks as the team's backup quarterback.
 
LCROD said:
Found it on KFFL.com:

Texans | Rosenfels signed
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:12:02 -0800

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans have signed free agent QB Sage Rosenfels to a four-year, $6.4 million contract that included a $2 million signing bonus. He will take over for QB Tony Banks as the team's backup quarterback.
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Good lord. Still in kubiak and casserly we trust? Not this little lemming....Im gonna just go ahead and start crying that the sky is falling...4-12. Mark it.
 
swtbound07 said:
Good lord. Still in kubiak and casserly we trust? Not this little lemming....Im gonna just go ahead and start crying that the sky is falling...4-12. Mark it.
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That would mean a 2 game increase, YES! LoL. I still hoping someone backs out.
 
Wow. Kubiak will either go down as the greatest QB mind if he can get anything out of Carr and Rosenfels or someone that gets caught up in own headlines. Hopefully, this is not blind arrogance and that he can do the same thing for Carr and Rosenfels that his bio says he did for Elway, Young, Griese and Plummer.

Kubiak: Do you find my methods unsound?

KT: I do not see any method at all. Sir.
 
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