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Rosenfels Signs with Texans

Kaiser Toro said:
Wow. Kubiak will either go down as the greatest QB mind if he can get anything out of Carr and Rosenfels or someone that gets caught up in own headlines. Hopefully, this is not blind arrogance and that he can do the same thing for Carr and Rosenfels that his bio says he did for Elway, Young, Griese and Plummer.

Kubiak: Do you find my methods unsound?

KT: I do not see any method at all. Sir.
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Brilliant. I would use it as a signature if it was shorter. All im saying, and listen closely folks. Thanks to the genius that is our front office and Gary Kubiak, our team, you know, the one with the porous offensive line, is now one bad sack away from the sage rosenfels era. Shudders.
 
LCROD said:
Found it on KFFL.com:

Texans | Rosenfels signed
Sat, 11 Mar 2006 23:12:02 -0800

John McClain, of the Houston Chronicle, reports the Houston Texans have signed free agent QB Sage Rosenfels to a four-year, $6.4 million contract that included a $2 million signing bonus. He will take over for QB Tony Banks as the team's backup quarterback.
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We just signed a QB for $1.6 million per year to compete with Dave Ragone for our #2 QB spot. I really don't know why we aren't going after Brian Griese, he's more of a seasoned veteran and has actually gotten significant playing time in the past, he's played for Kubiak in the past (even had a Pro Bowl year with him), and it probably wouldn't take much more money to bring him in than what we allegedly gave Rosenfels.
 
MorKnolle said:
We just signed a QB for $1.6 million per year to compete with Dave Ragone for our #2 QB spot. I really don't know why we aren't going after Brian Griese, he's more of a seasoned veteran and has actually gotten significant playing time in the past, he's played for Kubiak in the past (even had a Pro Bowl year with him), and it probably wouldn't take much more money to bring him in than what we allegedly gave Rosenfels.
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Totally agree and am scratching my head. Part of Kubiak's bio is Griese. Maybe the bio is looking more like fluff than substance. My worst fears are slowly beginning to grow legs.
 
THinking that Tampa wants Griese back. Maybe a promise to compete with Simms? Then again, why would u want to come to Houston and get pulverized behind our line?
 
chuckm said:
what's the average salary for an NFL backup QB? anyone know?
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funny you should ask

http://www.thenfa.com/pdfs/salaries/nfa2005_salqbal.pdf

Im going off of the depth chart on each teams official site as far as to whom is 2nd string

AFC East
Buffalo Bills- J.P Losman 605,000
Miami Dolpins- (2005) Sage Rosenfels 605,000
New England Patriots- Doug Flutie 2,503,500
New York Jets- Vinny Testaverde 6,095,100

AFC North
Baltimore Ravens- Anthony Wright 1,604,400
Cleveland Browns-Charlie Frye 605,000
Cinncinati Bengals-Craig Krenzel 605,000
Pittsburgh Steelers-Charlie Batch 605,000

You can follow the rest of them on the spreadsheet, but some other salaries of note

David Carr- 8,575,800
Jon Kitna- 8,550,200
Byron Leftwich- 7,274,000
Carson Palmer- 3,781,500
Ben Rothlisberger- 4,028,000
Patrick Ramsey-5,341,800
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Maybe the bio is looking more like fluff than substance.
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Too bad we couldn't get a guy with more solid football credentials, like the average poster on this board. :respect:
 
Runner said:
Too bad we couldn't get a guy with more solid football credentials, like the average poster on this board. :respect:
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His value has always been on the X and O side. Practically everything I have seen to date has been the mark of a first year head coach or better yet the mark of a staff that has one coach that has had any head coaching experience. The workouts cannot start soon enough so we can actually see the Kubiak effect take hold.
 
swtbound07 said:
funny you should ask

http://www.thenfa.com/pdfs/salaries/nfa2005_salqbal.pdf

Im going off of the depth chart on each teams official site as far as to whom is 2nd string

AFC East
Buffalo Bills- J.P Losman 605,000
Miami Dolpins- (2005) Sage Rosenfels 605,000
New England Patriots- Doug Flutie 2,503,500
New York Jets- Vinny Testaverde 6,095,100

AFC North
Baltimore Ravens- Anthony Wright 1,604,400
Cleveland Browns-Charlie Frye 605,000
Cinncinati Bengals-Craig Krenzel 605,000
Pittsburgh Steelers-Charlie Batch 605,000
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so is Rosenfels overpaid based upon the rest of the NFL?
 
Kaiser Toro said:
His value has always been on the X and O side. Practically everything I have seen to date has been the mark of a first year head coach or better yet the mark of a staff that has one coach that has had any head coaching experience. The workouts cannot start soon enough so we can actually see the Kubiak effect take hold.
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Right on. You don't walk into a chef's kitchen and judge the food before he's done.

Oh my gawd! The chicken is raw! He thinks we'll eat that?????

I personally don't mind waiting and seeing what happens. I enjoy the process of watching the team come together and just don't get too bent out of shape at this stage of the game. I went through the same kind of stuff watching the Spurs go from 20 game winners to champs. Yes, it's a different sport that can be dominated by a player or two, but it was fun to watch the process.

Enjoy the journey.
 
as far as backups, yes. Generally, backups make about 600,000 a year. Thats what he used to make. Now he makes about 1.5 million a year, plus signing bonus.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
Wow. Kubiak will either go down as the greatest QB mind if he can get anything out of Carr and Rosenfels or someone that gets caught up in own headlines. Hopefully, this is not blind arrogance and that he can do the same thing for Carr and Rosenfels that his bio says he did for Elway, Young, Griese and Plummer.

Kubiak: Do you find my methods unsound?

KT: I do not see any method at all. Sir.
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Can't say I am too thrilled by this move--I hope they know something we don't.

Reminds me some of the P Buch thing--they knew his weaknesses and strengths and thought they could coach him up. Arrogance. Confidence. Whatever.

Please let there be some exciting FA moves.
 
Im glad Banks is gone, he should have been gone alot sooner, Gifford Nielson would be an upgrade over him. I dont see how he started over Ragone in the 1st place. Banks is good about making 3 good plays then starts making huge mistakes.
 
Runner said:
Right on. You don't walk into a chef's kitchen and judge the food before he's done.
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Ingredients have something to do with it. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken sheet....I don't care how good your chef is.
 
Vinny said:
Ingredients have something to do with it. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken sheet....I don't care how good your chef is.
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True. However I don't think that Weaver is that bad. Cost may be a legitimate issue, but average skill is an upgrade for us in some positions.

I admit Rosenfels is a head scratcher to me too.
 
Runner said:
I admit Rosenfels is a head scratcher to me too.
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As in most sports this is a players game. Give Reggie White, Earl Campbell, Dan Marino, Jerry Rice or Joe Montanna any number of coaches and they are all great players. If you give Vince Lombardi Sage Rosenfelds and you will never pump out Bart Starr.
 
I'm wondering if its even possible to anyalize the disparity of talent between Rosenfels and that QB who played for UT last season taking them to a National Championship over USC? This is what the Texans end up with :confused:

I guess they saved a bunch of :money: on Carr insurance (mere 2 million signing bonus) :brickwall
 
beerlover said:
I'm wondering if its even possible to anyalize the disparity of talent between Rosenfels and that QB who played for UT last season taking them to a National Championship over USC? This is what the Texans end up with :confused:

I guess they saved a bunch of :money: on Carr insurance (mere 2 million signing bonus) :brickwall
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best quote all day. :brickwall thats what i feel about our front office right now. my head hurts
 
I dont see y we didnt just keep banks (i Hate Banks)
but their is no difference Rosenfels will still be #3 QB,because Im pretty sure Dave Ragone earned the #2 spot when he led the european team to the world bowl(Which they should of won, but the WR dropped a pass when he was alone in the endzone)

So y does Rosenfels wanna come here if he is gonna stay a #3 QB and never see anything except the bench.
 
DominickDavisFan76 said:
I dont see y we didnt just keep banks (i Hate Banks)
but their is no difference Rosenfels will still be #3 QB,because Im pretty sure Dave Ragone earned the #2 spot when he led the european team to the world bowl(Which they should of won, but the WR dropped a pass when he was alone in the endzone)

So y does Rosenfels wanna come here if he is gonna stay a #3 QB and never see anything except the bench.
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So we give a QB3 6.4 million dollars? This money is QB2 money. I doubt we would pay out this kind of money for a guy who will be deactivated each Sunday....but, this IS the Texans we are talking about.
 
Not sure why we did not take the same offer to a guy like Brian Griese who could actually possibly challenge Carr.
 
Coach C. said:
Not sure why we did not take the same offer to a guy like Brian Griese who could actually possibly challenge Carr.
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When has it EVER looked like this franchise wanted to challenge Carr? All we have ever done is put him out on the field on spec.....with really nobody to push him at his position. Rosenfels couldn't push Gus Frerotte.
 
just watch rosenfels does not have the skill to ever start for the texans, even if ragone and Carr get hurt they will sign a crappy *** QB for a 1 day contract just so they can play him instead of rosenfels on sunday
:mad:
 
Coach C. said:
Not sure why we did not take the same offer to a guy like Brian Griese who could actually possibly challenge Carr.
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Because that kind of offer would be useless to Griese. He is coming off a 5 year $32 mil contract. He was scheduled to make over $7 mil this year. No he won't get anything like that as a free agent, but he will probably get more than Sage. Don't like the Sage deal myself, but IMO Griese for the same money isn't realistic.
 
Rosenfels will challenge Carr for his job, at least more than Banks did. He only threw 61 passes but had a better YPA, a better QB rating and more passes over 40 yards than Davie Franchise. I agree that they could have done better, but it would be hard to do much worse than what we had at QB last season.

Is Rosenfels the first Jewish Texan???
 
TexansTrueFan said:
well if the texans think carr is the man, what can we do besides sit back and HOPE they're right !?!?!?
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61 starts later and....we are still hoping.
 
Faith is strong, but who the hell is this rosey cheeks dude and why does he get millions when 800,000 sounds fair.

Come on Gary, Tell Charlie to go home
 
and lets be fair...again i say, we are now only one bad sack away from the sage rosenfels era. God have mercy on us.
 
Now part of the ESPN.com article on Weaver:

espn.com said:
The Texans also added unrestricted free-agent fullback Jameel Cook of Tampa Bay and quarterback Sage Rosenfels of Miami.
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As well as NFL.com
nfl.com said:
Quarterback Sage Rosenfels was among three unrestricted free agents signed March 12 by the Houston Texans..
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infantrycak said:
Because that kind of offer would be useless to Griese. He is coming off a 5 year $32 mil contract. He was scheduled to make over $7 mil this year. No he won't get anything like that as a free agent, but he will probably get more than Sage. Don't like the Sage deal myself, but IMO Griese for the same money isn't realistic.
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They don't want Griese cause Griese might threaten our little Davy Boy.
 
swtbound07 said:
and lets be fair...again i say, we are now only one bad sack away from the sage rosenfels era. God have mercy on us.
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i just look at it more as, we are no longer one bad sack away from another tony banks era.

i kinda like to see them shake it up. whatever was going on wasn't working that well before, maybe some good can come out of this. tony banks was never going to compete for anyone's job.
 
just for grins, his stats

these are career numbers, by the by. So he got a million bucks for every career TD trhow?
CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
54 109 776 49.5 7.12 77 6 6 3 68.4


his senior numbers
rushes yards pass attempt completion interceptions yards touchdowns
77 436 332 171 12 2300 8
 
Just curious, but if Sage gets cut in training camp, how much would the cap hit be. The reason I ask is because I think Ragone will beat out Sage as the #2. I also think the Texans will take a QB in the late rounds. So, if these two things happen, I could see Sage being cut. Remember, in the 1st season, the Texans signed a veteran QB (don't remember his name) to help tutor Carr, but he got cut after training camp.
 
vtech9 said:
Just curious, but if Sage gets cut in training camp, how much would the cap hit be. The reason I ask is because I think Ragone will beat out Sage as the #2. I also think the Texans will take a QB in the late rounds. So, if these two things happen, I could see Sage being cut. Remember, in the 1st season, the Texans signed a veteran QB (don't remember his name) to help tutor Carr, but he got cut after training camp.
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I dont think Sage will be cut.....i cant see us drafting a qb this year. Too many holes
 
This is clearly a move of faith in Carr. I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt on this move. It just seems as if we are not "swinging for the fences" so far in free agency. Maybe this is above CC or maybe this is CC call. Who knows? But I do know CC makes too many gambles. This is a wait and see.
 
Trenches said:
what ever happened to B.J. Symons?
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Injury in last season @ Tech

2 mil signing bonus, 4 years and some call that overpaid.

The football/cap IQ here is amazing

$7 mil over 4 years is too high, the same group also says that a 16 is high as well.
 
I must say, I'm utterly confused myself(go figure)

McNair, CC, Kubiak, Dan Reeves says Carr is our man, and deserves an $8mill signing bonus plus his $5.25million salary= Good decision, trust in the FO.. Can't be wrong, because they know more about football & QBs especially, than I ever will.

However,
McNair, CC, Kubiak, Dan Reeves, Mike Sherman believe Rosenfell(sp) is worth a $2million signing bonus, plus a $1.6 million salary, and they don't know what the hell they are doing.........

and for the record, it'll be a while before Griese will sign with someone for $1.6 million. I don't think it's worth the time to sit and wait for him to sink that low.
 
Fans in MIA were calling for Sage for a long time...Cower Jr didn't want to put him in, the one game where he did get to play a half, looked similar to when Carr got to call the plays in the 1st half of the AZ game.
 
Upgrade over Banks and possibly Carr? See it's post like this that get absolutley no cred.

So much for pushing Carr. We don't need a QB controversy but we at least need a capable backup when Carr goes down. Unless of course the thinking is that Ragone will be the #2 and can push Carr while Rosenbench is just clipboard material. How much is Rosenbench getting?
 
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