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Report: Texans G.M. prefers Khalil Mack to Jadeveon Clowney

PapaL said:
Negationism at it's finest. When it's a hit, someone else OBVIOUSLY made the pick. When it's a strike out, the GM obviously made the pick. Funny how all those guys but the GM have been fired. No need to wonder who made those picks.
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How does that explain that the Houston Texans front office was at odds with coaches having to much say in the draft.

I think the reason Rick Smith wasn't fired is because he didn't have a lot of say in the selection of draft picks. It works both ways, Rick wasn't responsible for Montgomery. And you can't ignore the rumors, Kubiak promised Gibbs the first pick to become the assitant head coach and full responsibilty for the running game. Frank Bush commenting that he new in the Fall before the draft that if Cushing was available, that Cush would be their draft pick and Bob McNair promising Wade Phillips the next two 1st RD picks to become the Texans DC. I think that Rick Smith was Gary Kubiak and Bob McNair's make it happen guy and I think the same situation is true, now with O'Brien and McNair.
 
DocBar said:
I'm not overly enamored with Mack, but I do believe he'll be a better pro than Clowney. I'm not sure there's a lot of separation between Mack and Barr.
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Well they are all a roll of the dice. We really never know what guys in the top ten will end up being franchise position players. SO many of them are busts. If I thought Clowney would be the next Demarcus Ware, I'd want him over everyone. He has way to many character issues for me to want this team to even touch him. Mack seems like a cornerstone LB though that could help this team right away, and I don't have any character concerns about him.

Another thing that people totally forget about Clowney is that we would only have him for this first contract. Once we re-sign Watt we won't have enough money to pay to big DE's if Clowney is pretty good. He'd be gone after his first contract most likely.
 
Texecutioner said:
Well they are all a roll of the dice. We really never know what guys in the top ten will end up being franchise position players. SO many of them are busts. If I thought Clowney would be the next Demarcus Ware, I'd want him over everyone. He has way to many character issues for me to want this team to even touch him. Mack seems like a cornerstone LB though that could help this team right away, and I don't have any character concerns about him.

Another thing that people totally forget about Clowney is that we would only have him for this first contract. Once we re-sign Watt we won't have enough money to pay to big DE's if Clowney is pretty good. He'd be gone after his first contract most likely.
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I think if people took the time to get to know Jeremiah Attaochu, they would prefer Attaochu in RD 2 over to Clowney or Mack in RD 1.
 
Texian said:
Duane Brown = Alex Gibbs
Brian Cushing = Frank Bush
Kareem Jackson = Rick Smith
JJ Watt = Wade Phillips
Mercilus = Wade Phillips
Hopkins = Gary Kubiak


Ian RapoportVerified account ‏@RapSheet

#Texans front office a bit frustrated with Kubiak/coaches (4-10 in last 14). Coaches have too much draft input, keep stars on field too long

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/399592512933101568
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Yes, like every other GM in the NFL, Rick Smith collects information from coaches and scouts before making each selection. And, like every draft pick in every round by every NFL team- one of the coaches that lobbied hard for the eventual pick is quite pleased. By the way, many others are disappointed. When Alex Gibb was lobbying for Duane Brown (I'm taking your word for it), don't you think that scouts and position coaches on defense were in Rick's ear about other players? In 2009, did everyone get silent for Frank Bush? In 2010, all of a sudden Rick Smith made a pick in a vacuum?

I remember an interview with Jimmy Johnson about the Cowboys' drafts. He discussed the importance of knowing his assistant coaches... He listed his assistants and described how he factored each man's attitudes/perspective into the decison-making process... He concluded with, "... and Butch Davis loved everybody (laughing)." I can't find it on youtube... However, it is the decision-making that makes a GM more than his scouting ability. The GM is given a mountain of information from many different sources- each with different self-interests, perspectives, philosophies- and the GM is accountable and expected to make the best set of decisions by sifting and prioritizing through all of that information.
 
Texian said:
I think if people took the time to get to know Jeremiah Attaochu, they would prefer Attaochu in RD 2 over to Clowney or Mack in RD 1.
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I like Attaochu a lot but I would prefer Mack because I think he is a more explosive athlete and far more versatile.

But passing on Clowney/Mack in the 1st and picking up Attaochu in the 2nd would be just fine with me, depending on who that first pick is.
 
dalemurphy said:
Yes, like every other GM in the NFL, Rick Smith collects information from coaches and scouts before making each selection. And, like every draft pick in every round by every NFL team- one of the coaches that lobbied hard for the eventual pick is quite pleased. By the way, many others are disappointed. When Alex Gibb was lobbying for Duane Brown (I'm taking your word for it), don't you think that scouts and position coaches on defense were in Rick's ear about other players? In 2009, did everyone get silent for Frank Bush? In 2010, all of a sudden Rick Smith made a pick in a vacuum?

I remember an interview with Jimmy Johnson about the Cowboys' drafts. He discussed the importance of knowing his assistant coaches... He listed his assistants and described how he factored each man's attitudes/perspective into the decison-making process... He concluded with, "... and Butch Davis loved everybody (laughing)." I can't find it on youtube... However, it is the decision-making that makes a GM more than his scouting ability. The GM is given a mountain of information from many different sources- each with different self-interests, perspectives, philosophies- and the GM is accountable and expected to make the best set of decisions by sifting and prioritizing through all of that information.
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Kubiak had final say on the 53 man roster and was very Liberal with allowing coaches their picks. That's the way it was done in Denver under Shanahan and Smith was doing in Denver what he's doing in Houston. Kubiak was the director of the draft, Smith was the operator. If you watched the interviews with coaches after draft picks were made it wasn't difficult to discern how much the coaches were involved in the final decisions of the draft picks. The only two times that I know that Kubiak's final say on the 53 man roster was breached was when McNair promised Wade the next two 1st RD picks to intice him to be the next DC.

This goes hand in hand with reports that the front office was complaining to Ian Rappoport of NFLN that coaches had to much say and input in to the draft process. That report makes absolutely no sense if Smith was responsible for all the draft picks.

and Jimmy Johnson had a degree in Psychology.
 
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bah007 said:
I like Attaochu a lot but I would prefer Mack because I think he is a more explosive athlete and far more versatile.

But passing on Clowney/Mack in the 1st and picking up Attaochu in the 2nd would be just fine with me, depending on who that first pick is.
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I have only watched Mack in 2 games and I saw nothing that really got me excited. In those games he was easily blocked by the TE and to often taken out of the play. There must be better tape out there for so many to have him so high. However I saw nothing at all that suggest he's anything like Von Miller.
 
Texian said:
I think if people took the time to get to know Jeremiah Attaochu, they would prefer Attaochu in RD 2 over to Clowney or Mack in RD 1.
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The versatility for Mack to play anywhere in our defensive scheme makes him well worth the 1st overall. Attoachu is a player, I don't mind the selection in the second but we have the worst OLB core in football, and Brooks Reed will not magically stop sucking at ILB. Why not have a guy that can effectively play 4 different positions of need that is by far the BPA in our biggest hole?
 
Texian said:
The only two times that I know that Kubiak's final say on the 53 man roster was breached was when McNair promised Wade the next two 1st RD picks to intice him to be the next DC.
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link?
 
Texian said:
I have only watched Mack in 2 games and I saw nothing that really got me excited. In those games he was easily blocked by the TE and to often taken out of the play. There must be better tape out there for so many to have him so high. However I saw nothing at all that suggest he's anything like Von Miller.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmMZ6gJeoMI

I see a guy who rarely gets engaged by blockers, who constantly schools tackles with strength or movement, who was a lone bright spot on a terrible buffalo team. Exceptional instincts, excellent backside pursuit. Everyone has their opinion though.
 
Texecutioner said:
Mack is a hell of a lot safer of a pick than Clowney, that's for sure. I hope this is true, but I bet it is a smoke screen. At this point, I'll be happy to get anyone "but Clowney." Mack looks like a really good player with a low potential bust rate as well unlike Clowney.
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mussop said:
Based on what? Crap you've read?
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Yup. I mean, how can a cat playing for the Buffalo Bulls not be the safer pick?

I like both Clowney and Mack, but to say Mack is the safer pick and potential lower bust rate than Clowney is just crazy.
 
Doesn't appear to be selling well within the league...

John Middlekauff ‏@JohnMiddlekauff
Read in @theMMQB that sources say #Texans GM likes Mack > Clowney. Texted a ton of scouts/execs this morning ALL said Clowney > Mack
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NastyNate said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SmMZ6gJeoMI

I see a guy who rarely gets engaged by blockers, who constantly schools tackles with strength or movement, who was a lone bright spot on a terrible buffalo team. Exceptional instincts, excellent backside pursuit. Everyone has their opinion though.
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I watched the clip in it's in entirety. Mack did have a good game, 3 sacks and pick 6. This is my observation which many will likely disagree. Sacks 1 & 3 were on Braxton Miller, he definitely held the ball to long. Sack 2 was a good speed sack but the announcer noted that it came against a rookie RT starting his first game. The pick six was a heads up play but I doubt any NFL QB is going to make that throw. Another thing I noticed is Mack is very susceptible to the play action fake. He bit on it to many times for my liking. He will have to fix this if he wants to play in the NFL for an extended time. And I thought #43 might have had the better game.
 
So Wade put on his Twitter account that he was promised 2 #1 draft picks to be DC?

You made the accusation that McNair did this, I think you ought to be the one that supports it with facts instead of conjecture.
 
Texian said:
Kubiak had final say on the 53 man roster and was very Liberal with allowing coaches their picks. That's the way it was done in Denver under Shanahan and Smith was doing in Denver what he's doing in Houston. Kubiak was the director of the draft, Smith was the operator.
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I don't think so. I believe you're taking a few words here & there & inferring an awful lot. Think back to when we drafted Brown. It was totally plausible that Smith could have traded down again & miss Brown all together. We then would have picked another player. Who had control then? Who had final say?

Texian said:
If you watched the interviews with coaches after draft picks were made it wasn't difficult to discern how much the coaches were involved in the final decisions of the draft picks. The only two times that I know that Kubiak's final say on the 53 man roster was breached was when McNair promised Wade the next two 1st RD picks to intice him to be the next DC.
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Do you have anything to support that McNair promising Wade two draft picks? Even so, that's not infringing on Kubiak's say on the 53. It's unlikely that a first round pick wouldn't make the team, but that's Kubiak's call, not selecting the players, in the draft or FA. Rick picks them, Gary coaches them.

Texian said:
This goes hand in hand with reports that the front office was complaining to Ian Rappoport of NFLN that coaches had to much say and input in to the draft process. That report makes absolutely no sense if Smith was responsible for all the draft picks.

and Jimmy Johnson had a degree in Psychology.
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Rick takes input from the coaches. If his lackeys thought the coaches had to much influence, they had a problem with the way Rick & the way he ran the draft. He's got scouts in one ear & coaches in the other. The scouts were a little upset that Rick obviously sided with the coaches far too often.
 
thunderkyss said:
I don't think so. I believe you're taking a few words here & there & inferring an awful lot. Think back to when we drafted Brown. It was totally plausible that Smith could have traded down again & miss Brown all together. We then would have picked another player. Who had control then? Who had final say?

I distinctly remember towards the end of the 2010 season in an after a game or a Monday Kubiak press conference, during the Q&A, McClain specifically asked Kubiak if he was willing to give up control and final say of the 53 man roster to keep his job. Gary responded with a solid NO, that it was in his contract and that was not going to change. Now, you can choose to believe that or not. I don't really care but I just don't go around making things up for the heck of it.

Do you have anything to support that McNair promising Wade two draft picks? Even so, that's not infringing on Kubiak's say on the 53. It's unlikely that a first round pick wouldn't make the team, but that's Kubiak's call, not selecting the players, in the draft or FA. Rick picks them, Gary coaches them.

Wade is on tape saying as much and I provided a link earlier. Promising a a coach draft pick(s) to take a coordinators position makes perfect sense and something that is not out of the ordinary. It happens all the time. It's called enticement! The great irony here is McNair promising coaches draft picks then a few years later complaining to NFLN that coaches have to much input in to the draft picks. The Dysfunction Junction is located on Kirby Lane.

Rick takes input from the coaches. If his lackeys thought the coaches had to much influence, they had a problem with the way Rick & the way he ran the draft. He's got scouts in one ear & coaches in the other. The scouts were a little upset that Rick obviously sided with the coaches far too often.
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Rick was brought to Houston by Gary Kubiak to do in Houston what he did in Denver for Shanahan. The front office saying that coaches had to much input in to the draft picks, means just that, nothing else, the FO thought the coaches had to much say on who was drafted. The consensus advice O'Brien received from his trusted mentors and advisers was, "make sure you're in charge". I suspect things are much the same. The other thing that makes perfectly good sense is the reason Rick Smith didn't get fired is because he did not have complete authority and responsibility for the draft. Like Gary and Bob's make it happen guy then, Rick is now Bill and Bob's make it happen guy now.

My guess on why McNair became so dissatisfied with the coaches decision on draft picks stems directly from the Sam Montgomery fiasco.
 
dalemurphy said:
Yes, like every other GM in the NFL, Rick Smith collects information from coaches and scouts before making each selection. And, like every draft pick in every round by every NFL team- one of the coaches that lobbied hard for the eventual pick is quite pleased. By the way, many others are disappointed. When Alex Gibb was lobbying for Duane Brown (I'm taking your word for it), don't you think that scouts and position coaches on defense were in Rick's ear about other players? In 2009, did everyone get silent for Frank Bush? In 2010, all of a sudden Rick Smith made a pick in a vacuum?

I remember an interview with Jimmy Johnson about the Cowboys' drafts. He discussed the importance of knowing his assistant coaches... He listed his assistants and described how he factored each man's attitudes/perspective into the decison-making process... He concluded with, "... and Butch Davis loved everybody (laughing)." I can't find it on youtube... However, it is the decision-making that makes a GM more than his scouting ability. The GM is given a mountain of information from many different sources- each with different self-interests, perspectives, philosophies- and the GM is accountable and expected to make the best set of decisions by sifting and prioritizing through all of that information.
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What you described tells me that Smith is in way over his head.
 
Texian said:
How does that explain that the Houston Texans front office was at odds with coaches having to much say in the draft.

I think the reason Rick Smith wasn't fired is because he didn't have a lot of say in the selection of draft picks. It works both ways, Rick wasn't responsible for Montgomery. And you can't ignore the rumors, Kubiak promised Gibbs the first pick to become the assitant head coach and full responsibilty for the running game. Frank Bush commenting that he new in the Fall before the draft that if Cushing was available, that Cush would be their draft pick and Bob McNair promising Wade Phillips the next two 1st RD picks to become the Texans DC. I think that Rick Smith was Gary Kubiak and Bob McNair's make it happen guy and I think the same situation is true, now with O'Brien and McNair.
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Or maybe Smith wasn't fired because of McNair having to pay 6 mil to buy out BOB's contract and didn't want to have to pay off the remaining yr of Kubiak's contract. Plus Smith's contract that doesn't run out until May 2017.

McNair made a BooBoo by extending them, (He wanted to extend Kubiak through the 2015 season also) and doesn't want to have to fully pay for his mistake. If Kubiak had accepted the longer extention he would probably still be the HC, regardless of whether the team quit on him last yr.

Lets hear all of the McNair/Smith love!!!!!!! 2-14 and still being employed says alot.
 
There's a lots of time left for draft and it is only natural for our FO to keep things open and fishing for now. Because, you never know what you may or not get an offer for 1.1 pick.
 
Texian said:
I distinctly remember towards the end of the 2010 season in an after a game or a Monday Kubiak press conference, during the Q&A, McClain specifically asked Kubiak if he was willing to give up control and final say of the 53 man roster to keep his job. Gary responded with a solid NO that it was in his contract and that was not going to change. Now, you can choose to believe that or not. I don't really care but I just don't go around making things up for the heck of it.
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I remember that as well. I also remember Gary saying, "Rick gets them & I coach them." Rick can sign & draft whoever he wants, but it was up to Gary whether that person makes the 53, the active roster, the starting line-up, or finds a spot in the rotation.

Well, until McNair decided Case was going to start the remainder of the year.

Texian said:
Wade is on tape saying as much and I provided a link earlier.
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did you watch the whole thing? What did you make of all the laughs after Wade said that? & he said it was in his contract that we would always draft a defensive player high in the draft.

Wade, as usual, was joking. He later, in that same video, flat out said, "We don't do that. We take the best player, offense or defense." He didn't say "From here on out." He didn't say, "starting now." He didn't say, "Except for the last two."

Texian said:
Rick was brought to Houston by Gary Kubiak to do in Houston what he did in Denver for Shanahan.
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Normally I'm not a stickler for details, but you seem to genuinely, literally believe this. Rick was not the GM in Denver.

In his former role with the Broncos, Smith was responsible for evaluating players from around the NFL as well as those in NFL Europe, the Canadian Football League, the Arena Football League and other professional leagues. He also played a central role in the club’s preparation for the college draft and was one of the Broncos’ primary negotiators for player contracts.

With Smith heading the pro personnel department,
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Texian said:
The front office saying that coaches had to much input in to the draft picks, means just that, nothing else, the FO thought the coaches had to much say on who was drafted.
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That could mean any number of things. There maybe several front office personnel who believe the position coaches shouldn't be involved at all.

Again, I ask you if the Texans had traded out of that spot that got them Duane Brown, & ended up having to draft someone else, who's call would that have been?

Then in 2011, we could have traded up to get Aldon Smith, but we didn't. That was clearly Rick Smith's decision. Had he decided differently, we'd have gotten Aldon Smith & he would have been labled as "Wade's pick."


Texian said:
The consensus advice O'Brien received from his trusted mentors and advisers was, "make sure you're in charge".
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Being "in charge" is an illusion. Ask Gary. .He thought he was in charge until he decided to bench Case.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Or maybe Smith wasn't fired because of McNair having to pay 6 mil to buy out BOB's contract and didn't want to have to pay off the remaining yr of Kubiak's contract. Plus Smith's contract that doesn't run out until May 2017.

McNair made a BooBoo by extending them, (He wanted to extend Kubiak through the 2015 season also) and doesn't want to have to fully pay for his mistake. If Kubiak had accepted the longer extention he would probably still be the HC, regardless of whether the team quit on him last yr.

Lets hear all of the McNair/Smith love!!!!!!! 2-14 and still being employed says alot.
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You're incredible. You try to spin McNair spending $6 mil to get exactly who he wants into taking a cheapshot swipe at him. You need to seek out a chapter of McNair Blamers Annonymous.

JB said:
Seems to be a bad link. I do remember Wade answering a question tongue in cheek about being promised a first round pick of his choice, and it was discussed here quite a bit but I don't think anyone took it seriously

until now
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Yup. Subsequently there has also been information out about the Texans having a deal in place to move up and get Patrick Peterson. The whole Watt = Wade thing is overblown.
 
thunderkyss said:
I remember that as well. I also remember Gary saying, "Rick gets them & I coach them." Rick can sign & draft whoever he wants, but it was up to Gary whether that person makes the 53, the active roster, the starting line-up, or finds a spot in the rotation.

Well, until McNair decided Case was going to start the remainder of the year.



did you watch the whole thing? What did you make of all the laughs after Wade said that? & he said it was in his contract that we would always draft a defensive player high in the draft.

Wade, as usual, was joking. He later, in that same video, flat out said, "We don't do that. We take the best player, offense or defense." He didn't say "From here on out." He didn't say, "starting now." He didn't say, "Except for the last two."



Normally I'm not a stickler for details, but you seem to genuinely, literally believe this. Rick was not the GM in Denver.

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That could mean any number of things. There maybe several front office personnel who believe the position coaches shouldn't be involved at all.

Again, I ask you if the Texans had traded out of that spot that got them Duane Brown, & ended up having to draft someone else, who's call would that have been?

Then in 2011, we could have traded up to get Aldon Smith, but we didn't. That was clearly Rick Smith's decision. Had he decided differently, we'd have gotten Aldon Smith & he would have been labled as "Wade's pick."




Being "in charge" is an illusion. Ask Gary. .He thought he was in charge until he decided to bench Case.
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You are without a doubt my absolute FAVORITE Houston Texans Kool Aid drinker. Sometime though I do wonder if your Kool Aid isn't electric or at a minimum spike with some mushrooms. :)
 
Texian said:
You are without a doubt my absolute FAVORITE Houston Texans Kool Aid drinker. Sometime though I do wonder if your Kool Aid isn't electric or at a minimum spike with some mushrooms. :)
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It's not Kool Aid drinking if you don't extrapolate an obvious joke to base your understanding of front office operations.

I think the power structure was screwed up with Gary Kubiak having far more influence on this organization than he should. But there is enough real evidence to support this without having to make stuff up.

I'm not overly enthused with Rick Smith's draft picks, or his FA acquisitions, but there's definitely a pattern & a profile, Sam Montgomery & Ed Reed being the outliers. It wouldn't bother me one bit to pin it on Rick & be done with it. But we've already scapegoated our HC & QB... I'd like to have some kind of continuity, to "know" that we're building something, that we're on a path, rather than throwing darts while in a drunken stupor.

However, I also have not lost sight of the fact that Charlie Casserly was not let go until after the 2006 draft... his best ever.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think the power structure was screwed up with Gary Kubiak having far more influence on this organization than he should.
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Like when Wade was asked if he was consulted about Ed Reed and how would Ed fit in the defense. Wade's response, right after McNair had sent his jet to pick up Ed, I have never been consulted about Reed, no one has ever asked me anything about Ed. And as you so eloqently pointed out, don't put Case Keenum in a corner, he's our damn starting QB.
 
infantrycak said:
You're incredible. You try to spin McNair spending $6 mil to get exactly who he wants into taking a cheapshot swipe at him. You need to seek out a chapter of McNair Blamers Annonymous.



Yup. Subsequently there has also been information out about the Texans having a deal in place to move up and get Patrick Peterson. The whole Watt = Wade thing is overblown.
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Incredibly consistent, thou shalt not speak ill of Saint McNair and HIS 2-14 football team. (He should've spent the $$$$ and dumped Smith with the rest of his latest round of mistakes.

Peterson may have been #1 on Wade's list. I know he was #1 on mine. Smith was rumored to be #2 on the list and Wade got lucky with Watt his 3rd choice at pick #11.
 
Texian said:
Like when Wade was asked if he was consulted about Ed Reed and how would Ed fit in the defense. Wade's response, right after McNair had sent his jet to pick up Ed, I have never been consulted about Reed, no one has ever asked me anything about Ed. And as you so eloqently pointed out, don't put Case Keenum in a corner, he's our damn starting QB.
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more power & influence doesn't mean he was omnipotent. Just that he had more influence on the teams direction than the GM.

McNair was/is the HNIC.
 
steelbtexan said:
Incredibly consistent, thou shalt not speak ill of Saint McNair and HIS 2-14 football team. (He should've spent the $$$$ and dumped Smith with the rest of his latest round of mistakes.

Peterson may have been #1 on Wade's list. I know he was #1 on mine. Smith was rumored to be #2 on the list and Wade got lucky with Watt his 3rd choice at pick #11.
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IMO, that would've matched 99.9% of teams draft boards for those 3 players. No one had a clue that Watt was going to be the beast that he is. Smith had some known charcter issues coming out of college, but who knew he'd be this effed up in the head?

Go back and reread the JJ Watt draft thread. There were a ton of WTF????'s at the time. He was actually booed when he was selected.

It's easy to use hindsight to make things look better or worse than they really were. Well, except for Travis Johnson, maybe. LOL
 
DocBar said:
IMO, that would've matched 99.9% of teams draft boards for those 3 players. No one had a clue that Watt was going to be the beast that he is. Smith had some known charcter issues coming out of college, but who knew he'd be this effed up in the head?

Go back and reread the JJ Watt draft thread. There were a ton of WTF????'s at the time. He was actually booed when he was selected.

It's easy to use hindsight to make things look better or worse than they really were. Well, except for Travis Johnson, maybe. LOL
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True, at the time Watt wasn't even the best player in the B1G 10 entering the draft.
 
steelbtexan said:
Incredibly consistent, thou shalt not speak ill of Saint McNair and HIS 2-14 football team. (He should've spent the $$$$ and dumped Smith with the rest of his latest round of mistakes.

Peterson may have been #1 on Wade's list. I know he was #1 on mine. Smith was rumored to be #2 on the list and Wade got lucky with Watt his 3rd choice at pick #11.
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The only guy I heard a lot about leading up to the Draft in terms of who Wade wanted was Aldon Smith. I got excited about him being on our team then was really surprised and disappointed when the 49ers drafted him ahead of our pick at 11. Don't remember any talk about Peterson or Watt preceeding the Draft that year ?
 
Texian said:
Like when Wade was asked if he was consulted about Ed Reed and how would Ed fit in the defense. Wade's response, right after McNair had sent his jet to pick up Ed, I have never been consulted about Reed, no one has ever asked me anything about Ed. And as you so eloqently pointed out, don't put Case Keenum in a corner, he's our damn starting QB.
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I heard that interview, as well.

Except Wade chuckled during it, so that negates the entire thing. ;)

Although...Wade seems to chuckle every time he speaks.... :thinking:

While none of us really know the power structure on Kirby, we are good at speculating. I tend to think like you, that the coaching staff has traditionally had a lot of power in the draft. It's the Bill Parcells mentality: "If I'm going to be asked to cook the meal, I'd like to be able to pick the groceries."

And if this is the case with the Texans, then it is fairly obvious why Rick Smith is still around.

The Ed Reed thing was weird, though, because we can be fairly certain that Wade had very little to do with that signing based on his comments when they let Reed go. I'm still curious who was the driving force behind that one.
 
IDEXAN said:
The only guy I heard a lot about leading up to the Draft in terms of who Wade wanted was Aldon Smith. I got excited about him being on our team then was really surprised and disappointed when the 49ers drafted him ahead of our pick at 11. Don't remember any talk about Peterson or Watt preceeding the Draft that year ?
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I heard quite a bit about Peterson and Smith and would've been ecstatic if the Texans had drafted either one. I was in the WTF crowd with Watt but wasn't upset with the pick. Just didn't know who he was.
 
Double Barrel said:
I heard that interview, as well.

Except Wade chuckled during it, so that negates the entire thing. ;)

Although...Wade seems to chuckle every time he speaks.... :thinking:

While none of us really know the power structure on Kirby, we are good at speculating. I tend to think like you, that the coaching staff has traditionally had a lot of power in the draft. It's the Bill Parcells mentality: "If I'm going to be asked to cook the meal, I'd like to be able to pick the groceries."

And if this is the case with the Texans, then it is fairly obvious why Rick Smith is still around.

The Ed Reed thing was weird, though, because we can be fairly certain that Wade had very little to do with that signing based on his comments when they let Reed go. I'm still curious who was the driving force behind that one.
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100% speculation, but I think Reed was all McNair, based on his comments about getting mentally tougher and all. Reed is a sure-fire HOFer and McNair thought he could be an emotional leader for the Texans and show them how to rise up in big games.

Like I said, pure speculation on my part.
 
Double Barrel said:
The Ed Reed thing was weird, though, because we can be fairly certain that Wade had very little to do with that signing based on his comments when they let Reed go. I'm still curious who was the driving force behind that one.
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In my mind it was Bob McNair. The fact that Bob sent his jet after Reed, which rarely happens. A lot of 1st RD draft picks don't get the McNair jet treatment. Wade knowing nothing about Reed or even part of the discussion about Reed says to me this was a McNair wild hair and it fits McNair's pattern of behavior of trying to buy a Championship.

I think it may have been a quasi joke, the part about getting the 1st RD pick "EVERY YEAR" may have been the joke. The 1st RD pick in 2011 & 2012, I'm not so sure.
 
mussop said:
Maybe by you. I had him as the second best player in the draft for us. Several other guys here had him high as well.
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Just saying, at the time, Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue, had more Sacks, Tackles for Loss and Forced Fumbles than JJ Watt.
 
mussop said:
Which is another example of why you shouldn't put too much emphasis on stats. There are just to many variables that can skew stats.
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Kerrigan turned out to be a Pro Bowl player, just saying, not like he's been an utter disappointment.
 
Texian said:
Kerrigan turned out to be a Pro Bowl player, just saying, not like he's been an utter disappointment.
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Hey Texian I have been watching replays of Buffalo games to get a better idea of Khalil Mack and correct me if I'm wrong here but does he not remind you of Mercilus back when he was at Illinois?. The only thing I can see where Mack is better than Mercilus is his coverage skills.
 
revan said:
Hey Texian I have been watching replays of Buffalo games to get a better idea of Khalil Mack and correct me if I'm wrong here but does he not remind you of Mercilus back when he was at Illinois?. The only thing I can see where Mack is better than Mercilus is his coverage skills.
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That's a good observation. Mercilus is a bit bigger and Mack is a better athlete. Mercilus came from a 4-3 and Mack from a 3-4. You're right again, Mack may be the better in coverage and Mercilus better against the run.
 
Texian said:
Just saying, at the time, Ryan Kerrigan, Purdue, had more Sacks, Tackles for Loss and Forced Fumbles than JJ Watt.
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Kerrigan was certainly more productive than Watt in college and even won the Big Ten DPOY award over him, but let's also not forget that Watt had only played DL for 2 years at that point in time. He was still pretty raw technically and quite a few people thought he had a high ceiling if developed. I doubt anybody saw him becoming what he is now though.

Texian said:
Kerrigan turned out to be a Pro Bowl player, just saying, not like he's been an utter disappointment.
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I agree. Kerrigan has hardly been a disappointment. He has 24.5 sacks in his first 3 years in the league. For comparison sake, his teammate Brian Orakpo had 28.5 in his first 3 years with the 'Skins. Not bad.
 
revan said:
Hey Texian I have been watching replays of Buffalo games to get a better idea of Khalil Mack and correct me if I'm wrong here but does he not remind you of Mercilus back when he was at Illinois?. The only thing I can see where Mack is better than Mercilus is his coverage skills.
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I think it's important to note the consistent productivity of Mack though. Mercilus was a backup his first 2 years and then he wreaked havoc as a pass rusher his junior year and went pro. Mack put up great numbers all 4 years of his career. Even if you discount Mack's senior year and only count the first 3 years of each guy's college career you get....

Mercilus - 81 Tackles, 29.0 TFL, 18.0 Sacks, 11 Forced Fumbles, 0 INT, and 2 Passes Defended
Mack - 227 Tackles, 56.0 TFL, 18.0 Sacks, 11 Forced Fumbles, 1 INT, and 15 Passes Defended

I would also keep in mind that Mercilus was surrounded by much better talent. He played with future NFL draft picks Martez Wilson, Akeem Spence, Corey Liuget, Michael Buchanan, Tavon Wilson, and Terry Hawthorne. Mack didn't have that same luxury. The only defender I can recall getting drafted out of Buffalo is Josh Thomas.
 
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