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Replacement GM thread

DocBar said:
If this is the case, why would Bob McNair allow Smith to return as Exec. VP (or whatever VP title it is)? Why not let his leave of absence be permanent?
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Because it's a huge company and Rick does have his qualities. So being a below average GM doesn't mean they can't find him a job for life doing something.
 
'Ol Paw Paw said:
I know people will disagree with this but my suspicion is that McNair actually realized that Smith needed to go and would have fired him if not for his relationship with Cal and being the God father of Cal's child, so he allowed Smith a graceful exit for Cal's sake
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Makes sense.
And McNair knows Smith will get a job somewhere either in the NFL or some other organization.
His record here is not as horrible as some would have us believe.
 
welsh texan said:
Because it's a huge company and Rick does have his qualities. So being a below average GM doesn't mean they can't find him a job for life doing something.
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They should let fans pick what Ricky gets when he gets back from his leave of absence in return for the 4% season ticket increase.

My choice for his new job would be parking lot attendant in the yellow lot.
 
steelbtexan said:
They should let fans pick what Ricky gets when he gets back from his leave of absence in return for the 4% season ticket increase.

My choice for his new job would be parking lot attendant in the yellow lot.
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Ricky is gone, you didn't hear the news ?
 
Gaine is the new GM, per his contract, for the next five years. If Ricky boy comes back, Gaines, by his contract, is still the GM.

Of course it's the Texans, so you never know.
 
IDEXAN said:
You ever heard the expression about beating a dead horse ?
What's with this obsession of yours about Rick Smith ?
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No obsession

I was just letting you know that he will be back in some capacity.

My preference is parking lot attendant.
 
Thorn said:
Gaine is the new GM, per his contract, for the next five years. If Ricky boy comes back, Gaines, by his contract, is still the GM.

Of course it's the Texans, so you never know.
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This is what all Texans fans should be worried about.
 
steelbtexan said:
They should let fans pick what Ricky gets when he gets back from his leave of absence in return for the 4% season ticket increase.

My choice for his new job would be parking lot attendant in the yellow lot.
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steelbtexan said:
No obsession

I was just letting you know that he will be back in some capacity.
analogy
My preference is parking lot attendant.
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Oh it's an obsession all right, and a valid analogy IMO for you & Smith would be Trump & Hilliary.
Just like with Hilliary, Smith is gone and to make his situation more complicated his wife is literally in a life & death struggle so give it a rest SteelB, let the man be.
In the meantime we've got a brand new, young GM under contract for 5 years, it's a fresh start for all of us.
 
steelbtexan said:
No obsession

I was just letting you know that he will be back in some capacity.

My preference is parking lot attendant.
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you do realize the leave of absence is probably more of letting him keep his job/insurance while his wife fights a very serious life threatening disease than it has to do with him coming back if she gets better right? Literally everything the Texans have done so far this off season has kind of been a slight at Rick Smith. they gave the guy Rick fired or let go for creative differences his old GM job, they gave Obrien who Rick has a bad relationship with a large extension.
 
Shishkabob said:
you do realize the leave of absence is probably more of letting him keep his job/insurance while his wife fights a very serious life threatening disease than it has to do with him coming back if she gets better right? Literally everything the Texans have done so far this off season has kind of been a slight at Rick Smith. they gave the guy Rick fired or let go for creative differences his old GM job, they gave Obrien who Rick has a bad relationship with a large extension.
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You do realize that's your spin containing a lot of assumptions.
 
DocBar said:
I would think that the GM would answer to an executive VP.
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No. Brian Gaine will report directly to the McNairs. I think they even said that Rick Smith will not have any say in personnel matters going forward. But it's still a weird situation. You know Smith probably has some hurt feelings over O'Brien winning the power struggle. I'd think he'd be looking for any way possible to prove that O'Brien and Gaine are not fit for their roles to get back his old responsibilities. McNair should have "mutually parted ways" with Smith to put an end to the conflict between him and O'Brien.
 
Shishkabob said:
you do realize the leave of absence is probably more of letting him keep his job/insurance while his wife fights a very serious life threatening disease than it has to do with him coming back if she gets better right? Literally everything the Texans have done so far this off season has kind of been a slight at Rick Smith. they gave the guy Rick fired or let go for creative differences his old GM job, they gave Obrien who Rick has a bad relationship with a large extension.
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Hopefully, you're correct.
 
IDEXAN said:
Oh it's an obsession all right, and a valid analogy IMO for you & Smith would be Trump & Hilliary.
Just like with Hilliary, Smith is gone and to make his situation more complicated his wife is literally in a life & death struggle so give it a rest SteelB, let the man be.
In the meantime we've got a brand new, young GM under contract for 5 years, it's a fresh start for all of us.
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I hope you're correct and this is the way things go. It sure didn't sound that way at Ricky's pres conference.
 
A time to chill said:
No. Brian Gaine will report directly to the McNairs. I think they even said that Rick Smith will not have any say in personnel matters going forward. But it's still a weird situation. You know Smith probably has some hurt feelings over O'Brien winning the power struggle. I'd think he'd be looking for any way possible to prove that O'Brien and Gaine are not fit for their roles to get back his old responsibilities. McNair should have "mutually parted ways" with Smith to put an end to the conflict between him and O'Brien.
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Exactly
 
DocBar said:
I would think that the GM would answer to an executive VP.
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In the organizational/corporate hierchy then Gaine will report directly to Bob McNair (the CEO) and the HC reports to Gaine who effectively is the COP
or does OBrien report directly to the owner ?
 
IDEXAN said:
In the organizational/corporate hierchy then Gaine will report directly to Bob McNair (the CEO) and the HC reports to Gaine who effectively is the COP
or does OBrien report directly to the owner ?
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IIRC, OB and Gaine will report to McCain. It's dysfunctional that no one outside the organization can really tell.
 
IDEXAN said:
In the organizational/corporate hierchy then Gaine will report directly to Bob McNair (the CEO) and the HC reports to Gaine who effectively is the COP
or does OBrien report directly to the owner ?
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It's what they say. "Normal" doesn't govern.

DocBar said:
IIRC, OB and Gaine will report to McCain. It's dysfunctional that no one outside the organization can really tell.
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Really? A privately held company doesn't tell you everything so it's dysfunctional?

I get criticism of the result. But this isn't a commune. Bob McNair gets to make every decision his billionaire ass wants without our knowledge or input.
 
IDEXAN said:
In the organizational/corporate hierchy then Gaine will report directly to Bob McNair (the CEO) and the HC reports to Gaine who effectively is the COP
or does OBrien report directly to the owner ?
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From what I can tell, the org structure is Bob/Cal McNair -> Gaine -> O'Brien with Rick Smith somewhere lurking in the shadows. You'd hope that Gaine isn't just a yes man to O'Brien but I think that's exactly what he'll be. He was hired because O'Brien and the coaches liked him when he worked with the Texans. And O'Brien said that he wanted "alignment" with the next GM which is what Gaine will provide.
 
infantrycak said:
It's what they say. "Normal" doesn't govern.



Really? A privately held company doesn't tell you everything so it's dysfunctional?

I get criticism of the result. But this isn't a commune. Bob McNair gets to make every decision his billionaire ass wants without our knowledge or input.
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Again, I worded that poorly. I meant that the way the organization is being run makes it dysfunctional.
 
infantrycak said:
You do realize that's your spin containing a lot of assumptions.
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the only thing I'm assuming is that mcnair is a decent human being and is letting Smith keep his job to take care of his wife. the rest of my post is stuff we all know. we know Rick Smith and Bill Obrien had problems, and was leading towards a divide. We know for whatever reason at one point in time Smith wanted Gaine out.

That is stuff we know, so it's pretty easy to come to a conclusion that Smith is a done here, or at the very least has had his Jimmys cut off. We extended the coach he was struggling with, and hired the coaches choice for GM a guy Smith got rid of 7 months ago. This is an assumption
 
DocBar said:
I would think that the GM would answer to an executive VP.
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normally when you're a VP or EVP you are over a specific area. Like Vice President of administration, or Smith's old title Executive Vice President of Football operations. The Texans stopped listing him as EVP of football ops, and now have him listed as just EVP.
 
infantrycak said:
Is it?

Ok they haven't won a SB. That's true for 23 teams in their existence.
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It certainly gives the appearance. I'm not basing my opinion on SB wins. I'm basing it by the quality of play on the field. It's just my opinion.
 
infantrycak said:
So we know our president wanted to pee on a hooker?

No. We have an anonymous source you assume to be correct.
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seeing as multiple sources reported it yes I think we can take it as true. even if it was a mutual parting as was originally stated you don't let your right hand man go in a lateral move that you can prevent unless you want him gone.
 
A time to chill said:
From what I can tell, the org structure is Bob/Cal McNair -> Gaine -> O'Brien with Rick Smith somewhere lurking in the shadows. You'd hope that Gaine isn't just a yes man to O'Brien but I think that's exactly what he'll be. He was hired because O'Brien and the coaches liked him when he worked with the Texans. And O'Brien said that he wanted "alignment" with the next GM which is what Gaine will provide.
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I can buy alignment just fine which to me is nothing more than everyone being on the same page and that's a good thing, actually a very good when compared to a Schottenheimer/A.J. Smith kinda relationship which is what we apparently had previously with O'Brien/Rick Smith.
If you are correct about the following org-chart for the Texans Bob/Cal McNair -> Gaine -> O'Brien, then O'Brien reports to the GM not the owner.
And like the I-man pointed out this isn't a public corp we are talking bout here where ther's truly info disclosed to the public, instead we are all basically doing a whole lot of speculating at best.
 
IDEXAN said:
I can buy alignment just fine which to me is nothing more than everyone being on the same page and that's a good thing, actually a very good when compared to a Schottenheimer/A.J. Smith kinda relationship which is what we apparently had previously with O'Brien/Rick Smith.
If you are correct about the following org-chart for the Texans Bob/Cal McNair -> Gaine -> O'Brien, then O'Brien reports to the GM not the owner.
And like the I-man pointed out this isn't a public corp we are talking bout here where ther's truly info disclosed to the public, instead we are all basically doing a whole lot of speculating at best.
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My read of the situation is that both the GM and head coach report directly to McNair versus either being the other's "boss," but it is mostly the stuff you wisely already put into italics.
 
"Brian's a smart guy who's paid his dues," Parcells said this week from his home in Florida. "He's got a lot of experience, and I think he'll do real well.

"He's got the background that should allow him to make the kind of decisions that'll need to be made."

After Gaine spent six years with the Jets, Parcells offered him a job with the Cowboys.

"We were looking for a pro (personnel) guy, and Brian became available, so we reached out to him," Parcells said. "I knew he could do the pro end, and that's what we really needed at the time.

"We needed someone to organize the pro department and evaluate players around the league as free agency got more and more important."

Gaine spent three seasons with the Cowboys before Parcells hired him to join the Dolphins. In six years with Miami, Gaine was assistant director of pro personnel, director of player personnel and assistant general manager.

"By the time we got to Miami, you didn't have to tell Brian what to do because he knew what to do and how to do it," Parcells said. "He knew what we wanted and how to go about it. And I knew I could communicate with him."http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...hron&utm_medium=linkmodule&utm_campaign=btfpm
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Hey even the most hardened skeptic on this board would surely give a hearty thumbs up to a recommendation by Bill Parcells. What's not to like about that ?
 
Axisbuck24 said:
As a female who enjoys the sport of football and enjoys this forum, I feel this comment is Inappropriate and irrelevant to this thread :/


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As a longtime member I kind of think she has a point. I wouldn't remove it but it's in poor taste. It's enough (IMO) to point it out for what it is. It's not like we're in the NSZ or anything. This is the big shiny, happy family friendly fan zone and all right?

:twocents:
 
Hervoyel said:
As a longtime member I kind of think she has a point. I wouldn't remove it but it's in poor taste. It's enough (IMO) to point it out for what it is. It's not like we're in the NSZ or anything. This is the big shiny, happy family friendly fan zone and all right?

:twocents:
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Holy crap, when did you get cuddly?

Fair enough. Too late this time. Future hooker references will be kept to the NSZ.
 
Texans' new GM Brian Gaine earns stamp of approval from Bill Parcells
Super Bowl-winning coach was impressed early on with Texans' new general manager
By John McClain, Houston Chronicle

January 15, 2018 Updated: January 15, 2018 9:58pm

When Bill Parcells was the head coach and general manager of the New York Jets in 1999, Dick Haley, his director of player personnel, gave a young scouting assistant his first NFL job.

Nineteen years later, that scouting assistant was hired as the Texans' new general manager.


Brian Gaine, 44, made a positive impression on Parcells. Through the years, Parcells became a mentor and a positive influence on Gaine as he worked his way up in personnel departments with five teams.

Parcells liked what he saw of Gaine and hired him to work in the pro personnel departments with Dallas and Miami. Gaine earned promotions with each organization.

During their six years together, Gaine earned Parcells' respect, trust and endorsement as the Texans' general manager.

"Brian's a smart guy who's paid his dues," Parcells said this week from his home in Florida. "He's got a lot of experience, and I think he'll do real well.

"He's got the background that should allow him to make the kind of decisions that'll need to be made."

After Gaine spent six years with the Jets, Parcells offered him a job with the Cowboys.

"We were looking for a pro (personnel) guy, and Brian became available, so we reached out to him," Parcells said. "I knew he could do the pro end, and that's what we really needed at the time.

"We needed someone to organize the pro department and evaluate players around the league as free agency got more and more important."

Gaine spent three seasons with the Cowboys before Parcells hired him to join the Dolphins. In six years with Miami, Gaine was assistant director of pro personnel, director of player personnel and assistant general manager.

"By the time we got to Miami, you didn't have to tell Brian what to do because he knew what to do and how to do it," Parcells said. "He knew what we wanted and how to go about it. And I knew I could communicate with him."

Parcells won two Super Bowls as a head coach and also served as a general manager and executive vice president of football operations during his distinguished career

Parcells believes that communication, especially between the general manager and head coach, is paramount for any organization that hopes to build a consistent winner.

"Communication (with the head coach) is so important," he said. "You've got to have it."

Coach-GM dynamic key

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