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Quincy cut by the 'Girls

another cowboy with a hardcore love of marijuana is/was Mark Stepnoski who is on the advisory board for NORML as well as President of Texas NORML. on a side note, actor Daniel Stern, Willie Nelson, Bill Maher, and writer Hunter S. Thompson are a few people of note who are also on the advisory board...
 
SESupergenius said:
Thomas Henderson too
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And a shame too, because but for the coke, Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson would have been one of the greats of NFL history. Fanstastic athlete--horrible decision making.
 
infantrycak said:
And a shame too, because but for the coke, Thomas "Hollywood" Henderson would have been one of the greats of NFL history. Fanstastic athlete--horrible decision making.
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His decision making got better as he got older. Henderson picked the winning numbers for a $20 million Texas Lotto jackpot a few years back.
 
Lucky said:
His decision making got better as he got older. Henderson picked the winning numbers for a $20 million Texas Lotto jackpot a few years back.
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That is so unfair...
 
Hey D-FAN long time no see. And Marcus was caught by a Onstar cop, Too bad the Girl that hit those two in Dallas didn't have onstar or maybe he woulda got caught. He ran home to sober up you know.
 
rumor in Austin was that henderson was spending 100 dollars a pop on lottery tickets but who knows

I also thought I heard he won it twice but another person said he was rich twice (once with the cowboys and blew that money and somehow won it in the lottery later) but if he won it twice (like I had originally heard) ..some guys have all the luck.. well off playing pro sports and then win the lottery twice ...
and the most I have won is 3 bucks LOL
 
HowBoutThemCowboys! said:
No, No, No, No, No. My God NOOO!!!. Yesterday I bought a freakin Carter jersey. Im shocked, I just cant bear to believe it. I'm disgusted if Parcells actually did cut him. This reminds me of when Dallas cut Banks. This has to be a screw up. We'll see at the press conference, i'll be listening live on dallascowboys.com
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Ouch! Remind me to never ask for your advice on the stock market. eek:
 
The Cowboys signed two new players!

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:popcorn: lol:
 
Porky said:
The Cowboys signed two new players!

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:popcorn: lol:
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Well, I guess this is another signal that I've gotten old and going blind. I swear those colors look green, and that's the wierdest looking Star I have ever seen. lol:
 
Lucky said:
His decision making got better as he got older. Henderson picked the winning numbers for a $20 million Texas Lotto jackpot a few years back.
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Henderson won a $28 mil jackpot in 2000. After being reduced to present value and having taxes taken out he cleared a little over $10 mil. Haven't found anything on him winning a second time. FYI--the most money he ever made in the NFL was $175,000 in a year.
 
__V__ said:
Actually Vinny had his best year in six seasons last year with a QB rating of 90.6; with 7 TD's and only 2 INT's. Our own David Carr and Tony Banks could not bust the 60's in their QB ratings.
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And that QB rating got him a 2-5 record as a starter. Showing once again how some of these QB stats are meaningless without perspective. Testaverde wasn't asked to do much in that Jet offense. He didn't do much in that Jet offense. The Jets broke the 20 point barrier once in Vinny's 7 starts. That's a ratio he'll likely duplicate in Dallas.
 
Testaverde led the Jets to 9 TD drives in 7 games.
Carr led the Texans to 20 TD drives in 12 games.
Banks led the Texans to 8 TD drives in 6 games.

I know you don't think that Carr or Banks had good seasons. What makes Testaverde's performance better than theirs?
 
Lucky said:
Testaverde led the Jets to 9 TD drives in 7 games.
Carr led the Texans to 20 TD drives in 12 games.
Banks led the Texans to 8 TD drives in 6 games.

I know you don't think that Carr or Banks had good seasons. What makes Testaverde's performance better than theirs?
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Interesting comparison Lucky. For a head's up comparison that would be:

Testaverde about 8.6 TD drives in 6 games
Carr 10 TD drives per 6 games
Banks 8 TD drives in 6 games
 
Vinny won't be asked to win games for the Cowboys but he will be asked not to lose them.

That's the difference between he and Quincy. QC was asked to win them and he wasn't capable.

I would say they are going into the season knowing they are underdogs for even a wildcat berth and they'll tune up Henson and see where they can take him into next year.

I don't think Vinnie is all that bad. He's a smart QB. He's certainly been successful in the right situation before.

But he's what they've got to go with.
 
WWJD said:
Vinny won't be asked to win games for the Cowboys but he will be asked not to lose them.
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Well, I agree with that assessment. What I'd like to know is, who will be asked to win games for the Cowboys? Eddie George? Keyshawn Johnson? A rookie 2nd round pick? They don't really have anyone to help win games on offense. The Dallas D is good, but they're not capable of dominating as the Ravens did in their Super Bowl year.

Look I give Parcells & Def. Coord. Mike Zimmer a lot of credit for beating up the lousy teams on their schedule last season. They overachieved. And I don't think Carter was a good QB, either (though Parcells had him looking like one for awhile). My point was that Dallas isn't better with Vinny Testaverde at QB over a 16 game schedule. He's immobile, and he can't make plays down the field. Not to mention, Testaverde wasn't that good in his prime.

I just think the cowgirls get a dose of reality this season. Give Henson a couple of years, that could turn around and they could be legit contenders. Not now.
 
I think they'll put a heavy burden on Julius Jones to begin with. The duck and dink passes..10-15 yards.

Keyshawn is a good possession receiver.

The defense can certainly keep them in games and will maybe even win one or two.

I think they'll be 8-8, middle of the pack and Henson will play alot this year.

Great coaching also counts for something.

I don't think they'll make the playoffs unless they win as many as they did last year.

I, for one, think it was inevitable that Quincy would be gone. It just happens to be sooner rather than later.

You never know what a team will do. That's why they play the games. But I guess it's fun to play armchair QB. Or coach. Or GM.
 
Parcells philosophy seems to be that the team wins the game for him, and not any individual player. That's why many Parcells games aren't all that exciting to watch. It's usually a defense struggle even when he competes against teams he should be able to light up. He uses the RB to shorten the game when he's ahead, and to rest his defense. So it's not really one guy winning the game for him. It's the entire team. Whether it be his special teams on a game winning field goal, or his defense with a key turnover, or even his offense with a TD drive. You won't see Vinny be dubbed the "Comeback Senior", nor will you see Jones challenging for number of TDs in a game or season, nor will you see a Bucs style defense that could score several TDs in a season. You'll see a different hero every game, and the only MVP on the team will be Parcells. It's been said that he, alone, is worth 2 or 3 more wins a season. I don't know how much I believe that, but it is undeniable that he is more concerned with his team winning than any particular player being the star.
 
When Parcells won big, he had talent to work with. It's misleading to say that he's taken a bunch of scrubs and led them to a championship. Here are the QBs Parcells has had on his team in the past:

Phil Simms - Good
Jeff Hostetler - Decent
Drew Bledsoe - Good
Vinny Testaverde - ('90's version) - Decent

Then Tuna gets to Dallas and he doesn't have a decent QB. That makes his coaching job in '03 maybe one of his best ever. But even last year they faded down the stretch losing 4 of their last 6 games. Instead of getting younger and stronger, Dallas went out and picked up a bunch of 30+ year olds. Parcells can't wave a magic wand and make these guys young again. Tuna could be responsible for 2 or 3 W's and the girls could still finish at sub .500. 7-9 looks about right to me.
 
I'm not saying that Vinny will lead the Cowboys to the SB or even to the playoffs. In other threads I've mentioned they'll hover around .500, and will miss out on the playoffs. Much of that is due to their tougher division rivals. I don't claim he'll make anyone younger, but Parcells does get every bit out of his players. That's something that many coaches can't claim. Look at what he did with Otis Anderson when he was with the Giants. The Texans were better last season but their record didn't really reflect how much better. The same could be true of the Cowboys. It's important to remember that even if Vinny is a detriment at his postion, which I don't believe is true, the team can still be improved as a whole.
 
I asked on another board if quincy may have been released due to the fact that a falied drug test gave jones an out regarding his decision to have carter as his QB. Who else did he release when they used drugs. parcells never cut, much less disiplined LT for using during games. I applaud them for making a stand, but why not try to set him up in some assistance program since he wasn't being suspended. i hope that the test wasn't used as an excuse for cutting carter so that the media, fans wouldn't attack jones, parcells for realizing that carter wasn't the answer for them
 
People have repeatedly brought up LT as if that makes Parcells a hypocrit--is learning from a mistake hypocrisy? People need to understand in football, politics, whatever that hopefully until you die you are learning, which may entail changing positions. Is all learning hypocrisy?--naahhh.
 
Bottom line.
LT won Superbowls and QC did not.
Bill and The Cowboys organization open themselves up to be looked at as being hypocritical because of all of the dopeheads they have suited up when they were winning.
I agree that it is just a ploy to release QC without holding the bag. He may have a whole lot of "not be's" but he is the fifth most prolific QB ever to wear the star certainly he has earned a suspension rehab assignment-type deal from the 'gals.
 
With their VERY solid defense and Vinny not doing stupid things with the ball, they should be in every game. If they can really stop the other team from scoring, Vinny & Co. should be able to put up enough to win. If Vinny goes out hurt and Drew comes in, the turn overs will go up and the ability to win will go down. Because of their division, I think they will be doing well to hit 500%. However, with that good of a "D" they could do better.
 
pv1999 said:
Bottom line.
LT won Superbowls and QC did not.
Bill and The Cowboys organization open themselves up to be looked at as being hypocritical because of all of the dopeheads they have suited up when they were winning.
I agree that it is just a ploy to release QC without holding the bag. He may have a whole lot of "not be's" but he is the fifth most prolific QB ever to wear the star certainly he has earned a suspension rehab assignment-type deal from the 'gals.
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Bold Mine

I hadn't thought about that but you are right.
Guess the girls just didn't see any upside in keeping him. :twocents:
 
The burden of proof is on Quincy. I've heard two completely different explanations of NFL drug policies..one being the teams cannot administer their own tests and the other that the team can if they feel there is "just cause".

They may get fined, maybe lost a draft choice who knows? But in the end Quincy isn't in their plans and wasn't going to be anyway after this year.
 
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