Quarterback Quandary?

[Texecutioner]

What we need to do is fire O'Brien and hire whoever Crennel wants as head coach.

Won't happen, but the problem would be trying to find someone better if we did. I don't think that would be easy.

I'd be happy if we went after the Saints HS. I hear they are willing to part ways with him right now and the Rams are interested. He'd be worth making a coaching change for.

 

[thunderkyss]

What we need to do is fire O'Brien and hire whoever Crennel wants as head coach.

I don't really care to fire O'b, but I'm sure he's the only reason Crennel is here.

I don't know if that means he'll follow O'b.

But yeah, if we can get McCoy here to "fix" our offense & Romeo carry on with the defense, I think we'll be set.

 

[Speedy]

What we need to do is fire O'Brien and hire whoever Crennel wants as head coach.

I don't think it matters much who the HC is as long as Rick Smith has anything to do with personnel.

 

[Texansphan]

What we need to do is fire O'Brien and hire whoever Crennel wants as head coach.

Do you think Smith or McNair will fire a coach with 3 out of 3 winning seasons?

 

[thunderkyss]

I don't think it matters much who the HC is as long as Rick Smith has anything to do with personnel.

Romeo seems to do aiight.

Do you think Smith or McNair will fire a coach with 3 out of 3 winning seasons?

Sounds like they're setting up to let him resign... which is fine by me, if O'b is looking at this as an audition for another team, we may all get what we want.

 

[steelbtexan]

Do you think Smith or McNair will fire a coach with 3 out of 3 winning seasons?

Yes

If BOB doesn't play Os like McNair wants. That's McNair's history.

 

[steelbtexan]

Romeo seems to do aiight.



Sounds like they're setting up to let him resign... which is fine by me, if O'b is looking at this as an audition for another team, we may all get what we want.

Really, Rick has given Romeo what he asked for.

Vince/McKinney/KJo/Clowney. So I can see where Romeo would look better.

What has Rick done? Os/Allen replacing Brooks/ Sure he did give BOB Martin/Fuller/Miller/Miller. Where's the beef?

McNair wants BOB gone because of McNair's Os boo boo and that McNair wont let BOB have the type of players New England/BB is allowed to add. In short BOB is all about winning, McNair not so much.

 

[thunderkyss]

Yes

If BOB doesn't play Os like McNair wants. That's McNair's history.

So you think McNair paid the ref to pull Savage from the game, then paid the independent neurological specialist to take him to the locker room, then fail him at halftime after a second evaluation?


really?

 

[Texansphan]

Romeo seems to do aiight.



Sounds like they're setting up to let him resign... which is fine by me, if O'b is looking at this as an audition for another team, we may all get what we want.

I like O'Brien - he got this train back on the mainline. If he goes, I hope Godsey goes with him as well as the rest of the offensive coaches - the defensive needs to stay!
Hmm...one wonders if Texans can get an extra pick for BO?
Just as long as Chip Kelly doesn't come in here.

 

[steelbtexan]

So you think McNair paid the ref to pull Savage from the game, then paid the independent neurological specialist to take him to the locker room, then fail him at halftime after a second evaluation?


really?

Have you ever seen a QB pass concussion protocol, come back into the game, then at halftime be put back into protocol without tking a hit? Now on the day after the game Os is declared the starter for the playoff game without Savage even being given the chance to clear protocol. I've never seen this in my 48 yrs of watching football. Please share with me if you have, I would love to see it.

Add in Savage didn't even look to have a concussion. See: Cam Newton who was allowed to play looking much worse than Savage did.

Yep, something smells very fishy

 

[thunderkyss]

Really, Rick has given Romeo what he asked for.

Vince/McKinney/KJo/Clowney. So I can see where Romeo would look better.

I don't know what Romeo "asked for" I just commented that Romeo has been able to make chicken salad with what Rick has given him.

 

[steelbtexan]

I don't know what Romeo "asked for" I just commented that Romeo has been able to make chicken salad with what Rick has given him.

With the players Rick has given Romeo there should be a chicken salad feast.

 

[thunderkyss]

Have you ever seen a QB pass concussion protocol, come back into the game, then at halftime be put back into protocol without tking a hit? Now on the day after the game Os is declared the starter for the playoff game without Savage even being given the chance to clear protocol. I've never seen this in my 48 yrs of watching football. Please share with me if you have, I would love to see it.

Add in Savage didn't even look to have a concussion. See: Cam Newton who was allowed to play looking much worse than Savage did.

Yep, something smells very fishy

Still I doubt McNair has the fix in.

I'd love for Savage to get the start. I've been waiting just like everyone else. More than anything I want to believe the problem was Brock. I've been waiting three years to see a game plan offense. Doesn't matter who our QB is, O'b has failed to deliver.

He might be a fine HC, he ain't no offensive coordinator.

 

[steelbtexan]

Still I doubt McNair has the fix in.

I'd love for Savage to get the start. I've been waiting just like everyone else. More than anything I want to believe the problem was Brock. I've been waiting three years to see a game plan offense. Doesn't matter who our QB is, O'b has failed to deliver.

He might be a fine HC, he ain't no offensive coordinator.

I explained in an earlier post the issues with the offense. AT quoted it. You didn't answer my question of the last post. Have you ever seen a concussion protocol handled like it was Sunday? And to name Os the starter without giving Savage a chance to clear protocol. Believe what you want. We will just have to agree to disagree.

If the fix wasn't in then tell me why you think it wasn't. This is sorta like me saying for 10 yrs McNair was a hands on owner and people vehemently defending that McNair was hands off. Now people are seeing the light. If things go down the way I expect them too, then in a couple of yrs you can expect this fiasco to come out too.

 

[paycheck71]

Heard on the radio today that once a player is evaluated for concussion, even if he passes it during the first half, he'll be re-evaluated at halftime. I'm assuming Savage passed the first evaluation, but showed symptoms at HT.
Also, Os wasn't named the starter for the playoff game. OB said, he'll let us know tomorrow. The media is just making an educated assumption that unless Savage passes the concussion protocol by tomorrow, which I think is impossible, and practices during the week, Osweiler is going to start. That's just common sense.

Nothing smells fishy to me.

 

[NitroGSXR]

"It'll never happen"

Whatever. That's not the point. The OP asked a question and I responded with that I think the Texans should do. We're just arm-chairing it for giggles.

Only reason why I'd like to get rid of O'Brien is because he's been inept at running the offense regardless of his head coaching abilities. He's the one in charge of the offense. Yes, I'm aware that rick smith is and has been failing for years but I don't see him calling plays.

Run-run-pass
Run-run-pass
Run-run-pass

Ugh.

That's all O'Brien, not Rick Smith.

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

He might be a fine HC, he ain't no offensive coordinator.

Couldn't quite quantify my feelings about ON but that sums it up perfectly.

I would've fired him after last season but there are qualities I like about him. It's just that the main things he's in charge of [qbs and offrnse] have underwhelmed.

But if he were to bring in a good offensive coordinator and give them at least a bulk of control of that unit I'd be ok with that.

 

[thunderkyss]

I explained in an earlier post the issues with the offense. AT quoted it. You didn't answer my question of the last post. Have you ever seen a concussion protocol handled like it was Sunday? And to name Os the starter without giving Savage a chance to clear protocol. Believe what you want. We will just have to agree to disagree.

If the fix wasn't in then tell me why you think it wasn't. This is sorta like me saying for 10 yrs McNair was a hands on owner and people vehemently defending that McNair was hands off. Now people are seeing the light. If things go down the way I expect them too, then in a couple of yrs you can expect this fiasco to come out too.

No, I've never seen the concussion protocol administered like that. I also don't remember McNair "covering his tracks" or trying to save face like that either.

If McNair told O'b to play Osweiler I'm sure O'b would have said as much.

I do not doubt there is friction between O'B & Rick. I think it's been there since day 1. I know Jeff Allen can't play & agree it's Smith's fault he is here. But it's O'Briens responsibility get him off the field if he's not meeting expectations. & fine, neither Aboushi or Bergstrum are pro bowlers, but I haven't seen them play as poorly as Allen.

I don't see this as an either/or situation. even if I believed Smith royally screwed up the roster I'd expect O'b to do the best he can & right now I just don't feel he's pit us in position to win.

& if he tells McNair "I don't know." as much as he tells the media I can't imagine why the Texans wouldn't be begging him to resign.

 

[bigmck]

So you think McNair paid the ref to pull Savage from the game, then paid the independent neurological specialist to take him to the locker room, then fail him at halftime after a second evaluation?
really?

Wait until you hear him discuss the JFK assassination.

 

[steelbtexan]

No, I've never seen the concussion protocol administered like that. I also don't remember McNair "covering his tracks" or trying to save face like that either.

If McNair told O'b to play Osweiler I'm sure O'b would have said as much.

I do not doubt there is friction between O'B & Rick. I think it's been there since day 1. I know Jeff Allen can't play & agree it's Smith's fault he is here. But it's O'Briens responsibility get him off the field if he's not meeting expectations. & fine, neither Aboushi or Bergstrum are pro bowlers, but I haven't seen them play as poorly as Allen.

I don't see this as an either/or situation. even if I believed Smith royally screwed up the roster I'd expect O'b to do the best he can & right now I just don't feel he's pit us in position to win.

& if he tells McNair "I don't know." as much as he tells the media I can't imagine why the Texans wouldn't be begging him to resign.

McNair covers his tracks all of the time. His track coverer's name is Rick McNair. Allen is paying due to $$$$, it's the McNair way.

 

[Double Barrel]

Oz sucks. Weeden sucks. Savage can barely stay healthy without even playing to prove that as a 4th rounder he's better than 'fine we'll put someone else in'. We don't have a legitimate quarterback on the roster.

Fire O'Brien. Hire Shanahan.

I predict baby Shanny will end up in Denver as HC. They will keep most of the current staff, Wade included as DC, and probably be a favorite to make it to another SB within two seasons.

That's what winning organizations with strong GMs do.

Meanwhile, in Houston, Texas, we are a HC and QB away from being a really great football team.

Draft a quarterback EVERY YEAR until a solution is found. Every year.

Bingo! And lots of O-line picks, too. A good line is the core of any consistent offense.

 

[thunderkyss]

McNair covers his tracks all of the time. His track coverer's name is Rick McNair.

I don't know. We know for a fact that McNair required Kubiak to give David Carr a shot. We know for a fact he brought in Wade Philips & Ed Reed. We know for a fact that he wanted Keenum to be given every opportunity to finish that game & he was upset when Kubiak benched him. None of these were intricately engineered or mired in speculation. When asked, he says, "Yeah I did it!!"

Allen is paying due to $$$$, it's the McNair way.

I thought the same, but unless Allen had an injury in the 1st qtr of Sunday's game, Aboushi was in the game. Aboushi played quite a bit in the second half as well. So it looks like Allen was benched, then after his punishment was over, he got back into the game.

 

[Say Watt]

Meanwhile, in Houston, Texas, we are a HC and QB away from being a really great football team.

You might have been inferring this in your post, but don't forget GM. We are a HC, QB, and GM away from being a really great football team.

 

[Double Barrel]

You might have been inferring this in your post, but don't forget GM. We are a HC, QB, and GM away from being a really great football team.

I generally agree with you, but in H-town, the GM and owner seemed to be joined at the hip at this point. So I figured it was a mute point since Rick Smith is a Teflon GM and their decision-making process ensures that he cannot be held fully responsible (or accountable) for much of anything.

 

[Say Watt]

I generally agree with you, but in H-town, the GM and owner seemed to be joined at the hip at this point. So I figured it was a mute point since Rick Smith is a Teflon GM and their decision-making process ensures that he cannot be held fully responsible (or accountable) for much of anything.

Can't argue there that's for sure.

I like what Herv and Steelb keep using. "Rick McNair". It definitely fits because just like Bob and Cal, Rick is here to stay. He's family now.

Our only hope is that Rick gets moved into another front office position. But even then, I really doubt the McNair's ever bring in an Elway, Thompson, Schneider, or Newsome. So yeah it is a "moot" point.

 

[TexansBull]

Can't argue there that's for sure.

I like what Herv and Steelb keep using. "Rick McNair". It definitely fits because just like Bob and Cal, Rick is here to stay. He's family now.

Our only hope is that Rick gets moved into another front office position. But even then, I really doubt the McNair's ever bring in an Elway, Thompson, Schneider, or Newsome. So yeah it is a "moot" point.

Y'all should change the title of the Fire Rick Smith thread to the Fire Rick McNair.

 

[76Texan]

Y'all should change the title of the Fire Rick Smith thread to the Fire Rick McNair.

LOL.

I'd second that.

 

[Double Barrel]

Can't argue there that's for sure.

I like what Herv and Steelb keep using. "Rick McNair". It definitely fits because just like Bob and Cal, Rick is here to stay. He's family now.

Our only hope is that Rick gets moved into another front office position. But even then, I really doubt the McNair's ever bring in an Elway, Thompson, Schneider, or Newsome. So yeah it is a "moot" point.

The thing is, right now, the defense is top ranked. The offense is a QB away from being pretty good.

So Rick and the boardroom has given the coaching staff the players (sans QB) to be a good team.

The problem is play calling on offense and having a QB to run it.

I'm not against a strong GM model, but I just understand that this is not how this organization does things. That kind of presence tends to be too disruptive in building a consensus.

 

[Marcus]

Have you ever seen a QB pass concussion protocol, come back into the game, then at halftime be put back into protocol without tking a hit? Now on the day after the game Os is declared the starter for the playoff game without Savage even being given the chance to clear protocol. I've never seen this in my 48 yrs of watching football. Please share with me if you have, I would love to see it.

Add in Savage didn't even look to have a concussion. See: Cam Newton who was allowed to play looking much worse than Savage did.

Yep, something smells very fishy

I confess. I agree with you.

Just don't let that go to your head.

 

[Say Watt]

The thing is, right now, the defense is top ranked. The offense is a QB away from being pretty good.

So Rick and the boardroom has given the coaching staff the players (sans QB) to be a good team.

The problem is play calling on offense and having a QB to run it.

I'm not against a strong GM model, but I just understand that this is not how this organization does things. That kind of presence tends to be too disruptive in building a consensus.

I hear you man but in today's NFL if you can't draft a top 15 QB with the potential to hit a groove come playoff time (Eli Manning/Joe Flacco types), then you aren't a GM worth a damn.

It wasn't until it got pointed out until recently that I realized that Rick Smith has never drafted a QB in the first 3 rounds. I don't know about you, but that's completely unacceptable in my opinion. I mean sure if we had a Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, or even the aforementioned Eli or Flacco then I'd have no issue with this. But the best QB in Texans history is Matt freakin Schaub. Listen to any other fanbase say their best QB in their history was Matt Schaub, and you'd laugh your ass off. But since it's our Texans, we just kind of have to accept that painful fact.

Sure, they get some credit for building a good defense. But even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. I'd also give WAY more of my praise to Wade Phillips and RAC for the defense as those are the types of hires that force GMs to listen to their opinions. But Rick Smith's inability to find a QB is unacceptable and is precisely why he has no business as GM of an NFL team.

 

[76Texan]

I hear you man but in today's NFL if you can't draft a top 15 QB with the potential to hit a groove come playoff time (Eli Manning/Joe Flacco types), then you aren't a GM worth a damn.

It wasn't until it got pointed out until recently that I realized that Rick Smith has never drafted a QB in the first 3 rounds. I don't know about you, but that's completely unacceptable in my opinion. I mean sure if we had a Brady, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, or even the aforementioned Eli or Flacco then I'd have no issue with this. But the best QB in Texans history is Matt freakin Schaub. Listen to any other fanbase say their best QB in their history was Matt Schaub, and you'd laugh your ass off. But since it's our Texans, we just kind of have to accept that painful fact.

Sure, they get some credit for building a good defense. But even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then. I'd also give WAY more of my praise to Wade Phillips and RAC for the defense as those are the types of hires that force GMs to listen to their opinions. But Rick Smith's inability to find a QB is unacceptable and is precisely why he has no business as GM of an NFL team.

In the meantime, the Patriots had taken 4 QBs in the 3rd or higher since 2008, even though they have Tom Brady.

 

[Texecutioner]

The thing is, right now, the defense is top ranked. The offense is a QB away from being pretty good.

So Rick and the boardroom has given the coaching staff the players (sans QB) to be a good team.

The problem is play calling on offense and having a QB to run it.

I'm not against a strong GM model, but I just understand that this is not how this organization does things. That kind of presence tends to be too disruptive in building a consensus.

I'm hearing rumors (nothing to substantiate this) that OB and Smith can't stand each other, and that Oz was all Mcnair and Smith. I always figured that OB was high on OZ and we wouldn't have gotten him if he wasn't. Just seemed like Common sense to me that his opinion would have been weighed heavily before making such a bold move like that. People are saying that OB could be let go if we don't beat the Raiders which to me would be a horrible move if Rick Smith stays. God, that would stink. I'd be alright if everyone was scrapped possibly if that meant Smith was out of here. If Mcnair runs off OB all because of Smith though, then this franchise has no hope. Lol!

 

[TripleTap]

Except maybe Smith and McNair hire a new coach who gets an offensive coordinator who knows what he's doing? Maybe not likely, but still possible?

 

[Texecutioner]

Except maybe Smith and McNair hire a new coach who gets an offensive coordinator who knows what he's doing? Maybe not likely, but still possible?

And if Romeo Crennell goes then what?

You want this entire team dismantled?

All this team really needs is a QB and some upgrades at Oline.

A QB could be found this off season possibly.

 

[Say Watt]

In the meantime, the Patriots had taken 4 QBs in the 3rd or higher since 2008, even though they have Tom Brady.

Damn dude. I had no clue they had drafted that many in the 3rd round or higher. Now that right there is a franchise that gets it. And one of those picks might net them a 1st and a 4th, and maybe more.

What an inept organization we are supporting. Also, just looked at this list here that breaks down draft picks by position: http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position

So not only in Rick Smith's entire tenure have we not drafted a QB in the first 3 rounds but in the organizations entire history, we have drafted 2 (TWO!!!) QBs in the 3rd round or greater. We all know Carr. Would love to hear some guesses about who the other one is.

How this doesn't make EVERYONE furious is beyond me.

 

[steelbtexan]

I confess. I agree with you.

Just don't let that go to your head.

Never thought I would see this post.

 

[steelbtexan]

Damn dude. I had no clue they had drafted that many in the 3rd round or higher. Now that right there is a franchise that gets it. And one of those picks might net them a 1st and a 4th, and maybe more.

What an inept organization we are supporting. Also, just looked at this list here that breaks down draft picks by position: http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position

So not only in Rick Smith's entire tenure have we not drafted a QB in the first 3 rounds but in the organizations entire history, we have drafted 2 (TWO!!!) QBs in the 3rd round or greater. We all know Carr. Would love to hear some guesses about who the other one is.

How this doesn't make EVERYONE furious is beyond me.

Dave Ragone says hi.

Who would've thought the high point of Ragone's career would be as a trivia question?

 

[Texansphan]

And if Romeo Crennell goes then what?

You want this entire team dismantled?

All this team really needs is a QB and some upgrades at Oline.

A QB could be found this off season possibly.

The oline itself could help Savage big time but so would some more effective playcalling.
As we are all acutely aware, it is extremely difficult to get a top quality QB so teams like to build everything else they possibly can until they can acquire one.
One thing more we could do now to help our O in addition to what we have already mentioned is to create a dominant run game.
A downhill thumper with attitude would help us deliver a one two punch.
Samaje Perine or D'onta Foremen would help supply that.
Or you could add another slasher in the mold of Jamaal Charles with great hands to be a real receiving threat out of the backfield like Alvin Kamara.

 

[Say Watt]

Dave Ragone says hi.

Who would've thought the high point of Ragone's career would be as a trivia question?

Lol! Yep!

I mean is that not just crazy? For a team that has had one halfway decent QB (with a couple of really good/great seasons), it just seems so incomprehensible that we have had such a horrible situation at QB for most of the franchise's history yet have only drafted 2 QBs in the rounds that really matter. Sure, Tom Brady was a 6th rounder, but Russell Wilson, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton, Ben Roesthlisberger, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Andrew Luck, Carson Palmer, and pretty much every single other top QB were ALL picked in the first 3 rounds!

It's so freaking lopsided, yet this stupid ass organization thinks it's a smart play to draft TWO players at the most important position on the football field within the first 3 rounds?!? Burn NRG to the ground, turn that land into a monument to the Karankawas, Akokisas, or whatever Native American burial ground is under there, and restart this whole damn thing!

 

[steelbtexan]

Lol! Yep!

I mean is that not just crazy? For a team that has had one halfway decent QB (with a couple of really good/great seasons), it just seems so incomprehensible that we have had such a horrible situation at QB for most of the franchise's history yet have only drafted 2 QBs in the rounds that really matter. Sure, Tom Brady was a 6th rounder, but Russell Wilson, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton, Ben Roesthlisberger, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Andrew Luck, Carson Palmer, and pretty much every single other top QB were ALL picked in the first 3 rounds!

It's so freaking Rodgers/, yet this stupid ass organization thinks it's a smart play to draft TWO players at the most important position on the football field within the first 3 rounds?!? Burn NRG to the ground, turn that land into a monument to the Karankawas, Akokisas, or whatever Native American burial ground is under there, and restart this whole damn thing!

Sad part is out of the group you listed the Texans could've drafted Wilson/Brees/Roethlisberger/Traded for Palmer

 

[Texecutioner]

Lol! Yep!

I mean is that not just crazy? For a team that has had one halfway decent QB (with a couple of really good/great seasons), it just seems so incomprehensible that we have had such a horrible situation at QB for most of the franchise's history yet have only drafted 2 QBs in the rounds that really matter. Sure, Tom Brady was a 6th rounder, but Russell Wilson, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers, Cam Newton, Ben Roesthlisberger, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford, Andrew Luck, Carson Palmer, and pretty much every single other top QB were ALL picked in the first 3 rounds!

It's so freaking lopsided, yet this stupid ass organization thinks it's a smart play to draft TWO players at the most important position on the football field within the first 3 rounds?!? Burn NRG to the ground, turn that land into a monument to the Karankawas, Akokisas, or whatever Native American burial ground is under there, and restart this whole damn thing!

Part of the blame goes to the idiotic fans in this city honestly. They were generally happy with 8-8 seasons under Kubiak as long as they had fun tailgating.

Just look at our QB situation throughout our entire history. Hell, I was begging for us to go after Rivers for a few picks two off seasons ago and so many complete morons in here were totally against that and wanted Keenum here and acted like Rivers wasn't good enough.

Even now, you have guys that don't want us to even address the QB situation this off season all so we can have "Tom Savage". A lot of Houston fans deserve what they get, and until they demand more from the franchise and stop filling up his stadium every week Mcnair has no reason to change. Fans in this city get way to attached to certain players and coaches and winning has never been all that important when folks can just tailgate and have a great time at the amusement park on Kirby. That is what it has always been to me. A big amusement park where we have a football team that plays there.

 

[Say Watt]

Sad part is out of the group you listed the Texans could've drafted Wilson/Brees/Roethlisberger/Traded for Palmer

Exactly! Wilson was the one that really chapped me. I mean for how Kubiak likes to run his offense, could there have been a more perfect QB for it than Wilson? Imagine how differently things might have turned out with that one simple move. Kubiak might even still be here and may never have had his stroke out on the field. With Wilson almost certainly taking over at QB after Schaub's pick 6 barrage, it might have been us winning a Super Bowl or two when instead it was the Broncos and Seahawks. Gary would be a Houston legend and instead, he's simply tolerated here for being a "good guy".

 

[Say Watt]

Part of the blame goes to the idiotic fans in this city honestly. They were generally happy with 8-8 seasons under Kubiak as long as they had fun tailgating.

Just look at our QB situation throughout our entire history. Hell, I was begging for us to go after Rivers for a few picks two off seasons ago and so many complete morons in here were totally against that and wanted Keenum here and acted like Rivers wasn't good enough.

Even now, you have guys that don't want us to even address the QB situation this off season all so we can have "Tom Savage". A lot of Houston fans deserve what they get, and until they demand more from the franchise and stop filling up his stadium every week Mcnair has no reason to change. Fans in this city get way to attached to certain players and coaches and winning has never been all that important when folks can just tailgate and have a great time at the amusement park on Kirby. That is what it has always been to me. A big amusement park where we have a football team that plays there.

The truth hurts man, but that's some truth a whole lot more people need to wake up to. I'd have been fine with Rivers. Hell, Manning supposedly wanted to come here, but we were just fine with Schaub. Add in missing out on Wilson, Brees, and even Cousins, and you have a recipe for some crappy football.

 

[Texecutioner]

The truth hurts man, but that's some truth a whole lot more people need to wake up to. I'd have been fine with Rivers. Hell, Manning supposedly wanted to come here, but we were just fine with Schaub. Add in missing out on Wilson, Brees, and even Cousins, and you have a recipe for some crappy football.

And look at how many people were in here and calling in to the radio to excuse the Texans for not going after Manning. Lol!

All so we could keep Schaub.

 

[steelbtexan]

Exactly! Wilson was the one that really chapped me. I mean for how Kubiak likes to run his offense, could there have been a more perfect QB for it than Wilson? Imagine how differently things might have turned out with that one simple move. Kubiak might even still be here and may never have had his stroke out on the field. With Wilson almost certainly taking over at QB after Schaub's pick 6 barrage, it might have been us winning a Super Bowl or two when instead it was the Broncos and Seahawks. Gary would be a Houston legend and instead, he's simply tolerated here for being a "good guy".

Yep,

I think it's clear who's in charge of the draft, unless McNair tells him to pick player X. Clowney/Carr

 

[steelbtexan]

Part of the blame goes to the idiotic fans in this city honestly. They were generally happy with 8-8 seasons under Kubiak as long as they had fun tailgating.

Just look at our QB situation throughout our entire history. Hell, I was begging for us to go after Rivers for a few picks two off seasons ago and so many complete morons in here were totally against that and wanted Keenum here and acted like Rivers wasn't good enough.

Even now, you have guys that don't want us to even address the QB situation this off season all so we can have "Tom Savage". A lot of Houston fans deserve what they get, and until they demand more from the franchise and stop filling up his stadium every week Mcnair has no reason to change. Fans in this city get way to attached to certain players and coaches and winning has never been all that important when folks can just tailgate and have a great time at the amusement park on Kirby. That is what it has always been to me. A big amusement park where we have a football team that plays there.

Getting the BBQ and booze ready for Saturday.

I need it to watch Texans football.

Eatin and drinkin, the Texans football legacy since 2002.

 

[VTexan]

I will never understand why you wouldn't draft a QB every year. (maybe not in the 1st or 2nd unless it was a recognizable talent ie rodgers,carr,brees, etc) but 3-7 I would take always take a flyer on somebody.

1. Cheap contract. Rookie deals, especially later in the draft are fantastic. If you hit then you have a chance to be contender in 3-4 years due having so much cap space to spend elsewhere. If not who cares cut them in a year or two if they are REALLY bad. If you're really worried about not having a reliable 'veteran presence' then go pay a recent recently retired QB to be a coach.

2. Greatest ROI of any position. If you get any of sort credible QB talent you can trade him and usually get great return... or at the very least get SOMETHING back (we gave up a 6th and a 7th for Ryan bloody mallet).

 

[Texecutioner]

Getting the BBQ and booze ready for Saturday.

I need it to watch Texans football.

Eatin and drinkin, the Texans football legacy since 2002.

And sadly that really is the culture here in Houston for football. It has nothing to do with winning. It never has been about winning. It has always been about eating and drinking and partying while football is on. Some of that is fun and all, and I enjoy tailgating just like the next guy but winning has been secondary to that always.

 

[steelbtexan]

And sadly that really is the culture here in Houston for football. It has nothing to do with winning. It never has been about winning. It has always been about eating and drinking and partying while football is on. Some of that is fun and all, and I enjoy tailgating just like the next guy but winning has been secondary to that always.

Amen,

But not to the cash cow the McNair's have built using the eatin/drinkin formula.

 

[Texecutioner]

Amen,

But not to the cash cow the McNair's have built using the eatin/drinkin formula.

I have always looked at Mcnair as a happy go lucky owner that that just cares about keeping the Texans relevant in his city where they sellout most games. As long as he has Reliant park (I refuse to call it NRG) to have thousands of drunks tailgating and having fun, then he is good. He doesn't care if they have a 2-14 type of year every now and then. He enjoys owning a football team and making all that money from it. Sad to say, but I'd probably take Jerry Jones over Bob Mcnair. At least he is die hard about trying to win, and no one questions that.