Quarterback Draft

[WolverineFan]

Well I have watched UCF but mostly their defense as I focused on the opponent's offense if that makes sense. Houston and Louisville & then Connecticut as I wanted info on ILB Smallwood but UCF quickly blew them out and did same to Rutgers so I switched to other games. TBH, I lost track of their record and have not watched Bortles much at all. Like you I was surprised to see his stats. I will watch him the last two games and hopefully a bowl.

If UCF wins out they will get a BCS bid, most likely Sugar Bowl. Bortles will get the same chance that Bridgewater had last year to showcase his ability.

 

[Mr teX]

I like Bortles..he's a little careless with the ball at times, but he looks good.

 

[steelbtexan]

I voted McCarron,

but I certianly dont want him at 1-1. But I would much rather have McCarron at 3-1 than Bridgewater at 1-1.

 

[badboy]

I voted McCarron,

but I certianly dont want him at 1-1. But I would much rather have McCarron at 3-1 than Bridgewater at 1-1.

This is what keeps nudging me. We are going to build the offensive line anyway; we have to, so why not get a QB that has proven to play well from the pocket and can move if needed? No one knows if McCarron can take a team on his back and win but no one knows if he cannot. Spend a first on Jake Matthews and second round on Cyril Richardson or even my guy Gabe Jackson in third round opening second round for another position. How about Keenum and McCarron behind Brown, Gabe Jackson, Myers (Jones soon), Brooks and Matthews. A healthy Quessenberry and Brennan Williams could be awesome. I still think Newton could get better if allowed to heal up.

Has any of this draft crop of QBs faced the same level of competition as McCarron and won as many? We need a well tuned car not a supercharged V8 in a old vehicle that cannot get out of driveway because the tranny slips, tires are old and we cannot afford to change oil or wiper blades.

 

[Mr teX]

I liked McCarron alot..like 2nd round alot.... but then i took a closer look..& now i'm starting to not like him as much. 3rd round sounds about right now. My main criticism of him is the same as Mariota. Most of the throws he was being asked to make were just too damn easy...Guys running wide open or simple 1 read routes.

 

[badboy]

I liked McCarron alot..like 2nd round alot.... but then i took a closer look..& now i'm starting to not like him as much. 3rd round sounds about right now. My main criticism of him is the same as Mariota. Most of the throws he was being asked to make were just too damn easy...Guys running wide open or simple 1 read routes.

So you do not take a guy who does what he is told? If you have a game plan that has AJ winning 36 of 38 & two national titles with a third possibility in front of you would you change?

Look at this amazing Oline that no other QB apparently has (sarcasm):
LT Kouandijo, LG Arie K. a sophomore, Center a red shirt sophomore, RG Anthony Steen senior ranked #87 and 5th best guard (does not include tackle who will move to OG) and RT Austin Sheperd (who?).

So LT Kouandijo rated 10-15 and solid play from the others. I think he would do as well behind the Oline I mentioned last post.

 

[Exascor]

Has any of this draft crop of QBs faced the same level of competition as McCarron and won as many? We need a well tuned car not a supercharged V8 in a old vehicle that cannot get out of driveway because the tranny slips, tires are old and we cannot afford to change oil or wiper blades.

So you do not take a guy who does what he is told? If you have a game plan that has AJ winning 36 of 38 & two national titles with a third possibility in front of you would you change?

McCarron's winning % and national championships don't mean more than a paragraph on his resume. His TEAM won those games. Even if he really was the difference maker in the wins, he doesn't win squat if his defense allows more points than he scores. Either he's worth taking or not. BTW - what is Adrian Peterson's or Reggie White's winning percentage?

As for your car analogy - I like it but let's change it a little.
In a race would you rather have:
-A nice reliable Toyota Corolla 4 cylinder that runs perfect.
-A 700+ HP Shelby Cobra that requires some skill to keep running, get off the line & keep on the road?

In the hands of a skilled driver (think coach) the Corolla will still only run at a moderate speed with terrible acceleration. With that same driver, the Cobra will have a legitimate chance to win the race.

I'd rather take a chance on a QB with high potential than draft a QB that will never amount to more than middle of the pack. That chance can be using a high pick on someone who is considered the best, may end up great but may end up not being better than solid (Bridgewater/Mariotta). The chance could also be using a lower pick on a risky QB with a super high ceiling like Manziel or Carr. Drafting McCarron or Mettenberger is too much like getting Schaub again.

 

[Honoring Earl 34]

McCarron's winning % and national championships don't mean more than a paragraph on his resume. His TEAM won those games. Even if he really was the difference maker in the wins, he doesn't win squat if his defense allows more points than he scores. Either he's worth taking or not. BTW - what is Adrian Peterson's or Reggie White's winning percentage?

As for your car analogy - I like it but let's change it a little.
In a race would you rather have:
-A nice reliable Toyota Corolla 4 cylinder that runs perfect.
-A 700+ HP Shelby Cobra that requires some skill to keep running, get off the line & keep on the road?

In the hands of a skilled driver (think coach) the Corolla will still only run at a moderate speed with terrible acceleration. With that same driver, the Cobra will have a legitimate chance to win the race.

I'd rather take a chance on a QB with high potential than draft a QB that will never amount to more than middle of the pack. That chance can be using a high pick on someone who is considered the best, may end up great but may end up not being better than solid (Bridgewater/Mariotta). The chance could also be using a lower pick on a risky QB with a super high ceiling like Manziel or Carr. Drafting McCarron or Mettenberger is too much like getting Schaub again.

John Elway was 5-6 his last year .

 

[badboy]

McCarron's winning % and national championships don't mean more than a paragraph on his resume. His TEAM won those games. Even if he really was the difference maker in the wins, he doesn't win squat if his defense allows more points than he scores. Either he's worth taking or not. BTW - what is Adrian Peterson's or Reggie White's winning percentage?

As for your car analogy - I like it but let's change it a little.
In a race would you rather have:
-A nice reliable Toyota Corolla 4 cylinder that runs perfect.
-A 700+ HP Shelby Cobra that requires some skill to keep running, get off the line & keep on the road?

In the hands of a skilled driver (think coach) the Corolla will still only run at a moderate speed with terrible acceleration. With that same driver, the Cobra will have a legitimate chance to win the race.

I'd rather take a chance on a QB with high potential than draft a QB that will never amount to more than middle of the pack. That chance can be using a high pick on someone who is considered the best, may end up great but may end up not being better than solid (Bridgewater/Mariotta). The chance could also be using a lower pick on a risky QB with a super high ceiling like Manziel or Carr. Drafting McCarron or Mettenberger is too much like getting Schaub again.

This is what makes MBs and mocks so much fun. Evaluation. I think you do have to look at winning percentage versus high quality opponents. Alabama has been # 1 three consecutive years and that is worth more than a paragraph. I want someone that is a consistent winner. Of course, it is a team sport but how frequently was Schaub blasted? The QB is always credit with wins and losses regardless of how team does.

Sorry but the analogy of a Shelby does not work because you imply that it is only the horsepower that makes it hard to control. You gave it no negatives as I did my illustration such as tires or tranny. I would take the Toyota every time. Surely you don't think speed or power is the only missing ingredients to Texans?

You evaluate McCarron as "never more than a middle of the pack" yet do not offer anything to support that because you cannot. If I had to pick between McCarron, Murray and Bridgewater, I would not pick AJ. That however is not the scenario as it exists today. I have to consider how the drafting of a QB effects the rest of draft. This again comes down to evaluation. Is Murray/Bridgewater + a second round tackle better for team than say Matthews (first), Cyril Richardson OG (2nd) and McCarron in third?

That is what I am evaluating.

 

[Exascor]

This is what makes MBs and mocks so much fun. Evaluation. I think you do have to look at winning percentage versus high quality opponents. Alabama has been # 1 three consecutive years and that is worth more than a paragraph. I want someone that is a consistent winner. Of course, it is a team sport but how frequently was Schaub blasted? The QB is always credit with wins and losses regardless of how team does.

Sorry but the analogy of a Shelby does not work because you imply that it is only the horsepower that makes it hard to control. You gave it no negatives as I did my illustration such as tires or tranny. I would take the Toyota every time. Surely you don't think speed or power is the only missing ingredients to Texans?

You evaluate McCarron as "never more than a middle of the pack" yet do not offer anything to support that because you cannot. If I had to pick between McCarron, Murray and Bridgewater, I would not pick AJ. That however is not the scenario as it exists today. I have to consider how the drafting of a QB effects the rest of draft. This again comes down to evaluation. Is Murray/Bridgewater + a second round tackle better for team than say Matthews (first), Cyril Richardson OG (2nd) and McCarron in third?

That is what I am evaluating.

I got ya. You misunderstood my terrible analogy so I'll drop that. The point is that at all positions you can try to make the draft picks fit - except QB. I just don't think you ever pass on a great QB (I'm not saying that anyone in this draft fits - I'm not good enough to). You don't pick a great OLB in the first, passing over a potential top 5 QB, then take one of the "other" QBs. IMO that is a way to ruin your team. You may get good QB play but never great. I want great. I want a QB that can win games not one that can "not lose" games. With draft picks not hitting the cap as hard as the past, taking a QB with a first round pick and whiffing doesn't cost the team as much as it did in the past. If one seems like he could be a top end QB, take the chance or you'll be stuck with McCarron's and Mettenberger's or giving up tons of picks to move up to get another high draft pick (see Redskins for RG3).

 

[steelbtexan]

McCarron's winning % and national championships don't mean more than a paragraph on his resume. His TEAM won those games. Even if he really was the difference maker in the wins, he doesn't win squat if his defense allows more points than he scores. Either he's worth taking or not. BTW - what is Adrian Peterson's or Reggie White's winning percentage?

As for your car analogy - I like it but let's change it a little.
In a race would you rather have:
-A nice reliable Toyota Corolla 4 cylinder that runs perfect.
-A 700+ HP Shelby Cobra that requires some skill to keep running, get off the line & keep on the road?

In the hands of a skilled driver (think coach) the Corolla will still only run at a moderate speed with terrible acceleration. With that same driver, the Cobra will have a legitimate chance to win the race.

I'd rather take a chance on a QB with high potential than draft a QB that will never amount to more than middle of the pack. That chance can be using a high pick on someone who is considered the best, may end up great but may end up not being better than solid (Bridgewater/Mariotta). The chance could also be using a lower pick on a risky QB with a super high ceiling like Manziel or Carr. Drafting McCarron or Mettenberger is too much like getting Schaub again.

I love BB's car reference, Yuo cant use the word tranny in too many sentences.

As for the race driver analogy, I see more Dale jr than Jimmy Johnson in Bridgewater. Good but not great.

Mettenberger has a better arm than Schaub has ever had. Flacco/Roethlisberger would be better comparisons. (It makes me wonder how much/if you've seen Mettenberger play.) McCarron reminds me of Phillip Rivers. Quick release and an above avg/not howitzer type arm.

I consider Bridgewater/McCarrons arm strength to be equal.

 

[kiwitexansfan]

This is what makes MBs and mocks so much fun. Evaluation. I think you do have to look at winning percentage versus high quality opponents. Alabama has been # 1 three consecutive years and that is worth more than a paragraph. I want someone that is a consistent winner. Of course, it is a team sport but how frequently was Schaub blasted? The QB is always credit with wins and losses regardless of how team does.

Sorry but the analogy of a Shelby does not work because you imply that it is only the horsepower that makes it hard to control. You gave it no negatives as I did my illustration such as tires or tranny. I would take the Toyota every time. Surely you don't think speed or power is the only missing ingredients to Texans?

You evaluate McCarron as "never more than a middle of the pack" yet do not offer anything to support that because you cannot. If I had to pick between McCarron, Murray and Bridgewater, I would not pick AJ. That however is not the scenario as it exists today. I have to consider how the drafting of a QB effects the rest of draft. This again comes down to evaluation. Is Murray/Bridgewater + a second round tackle better for team than say Matthews (first), Cyril Richardson OG (2nd) and McCarron in third?

That is what I am evaluating.

QB trumps al in my book, get a great one and you are half way there.

 

[steelbtexan]

QB trumps al in my book, get a great one and you are half way there.

Agreed

I just dont think Bridgewater will be great. Good yes, great no.

 

[bckey]

To be honest I loved that about Carr. Didn't make him a great football player but was admirable as a man.

Bob?

 

[Mr teX]

So you do not take a guy who does what he is told? If you have a game plan that has AJ winning 36 of 38 & two national titles with a third possibility in front of you would you change?

Look at this amazing Oline that no other QB apparently has (sarcasm):
LT Kouandijo, LG Arie K. a sophomore, Center a red shirt sophomore, RG Anthony Steen senior ranked #87 and 5th best guard (does not include tackle who will move to OG) and RT Austin Sheperd (who?).

So LT Kouandijo rated 10-15 and solid play from the others. I think he would do as well behind the Oline I mentioned last post.

Most young qb's struggle with how much smaller the NFL passing window gets from college. this, combined with other factors is why you see so many of them come in their 1st year and are either throwing picks by the boat loads or are holding onto the ball too long and taking so many sacks...They're waiting for that 2-5 yard window to open up on 1 of their WR's...which rarely happens.

Any decent NFL back up can come in & "do what they're told" by throwing it to guys running wide open by 2-5 yards like Mariota & McCarron largely have had to do. & from a qb's perspective, It's easy to be confident throwing the ball when you know you've got 2-5+ yards where you can miss. All of these prospects can do that.


When you're looking for a young talented qb in the draft, You want to see a guy who is confident & comfortable throwing in those NFL windows which are more often than not a half a yard - 1 yard max. Haven't seen much of that from Mariota or McCarron. Not saying they can't do it, but it's definitely gonna be an adjustment they're gonna struggle with. Mettenberger is the guy i've seen most consistently do that with relatively no issues...

 

[Texian]

Mettenberger is the guy i've seen most consistently do that with relatively no issues...

Agree, Mett also has Beckham and Landry which helps. Murray, Manziel and Bortles also do a pretty good job of throwing through that 2' window.

 

[bhsman]

Yeah, Jarvis Landry AKA Juice likes to make ridiculous catches every single game, with the 2012 Arkansas one-handed catch and catch while triple-covered against Georgia this year. If we weren't already fairly set at wideout, I would love to see the Texans pick him up. As it stands, however, he is a 1st-2nd round talent at this point.

 

[beerlover]

I've been wrong all season in regards to Texan ineptitude, never thinking once first pick would be @ hand & still refuse to believe it!

If by pop & circumstance they do, there are other teams who will covet Bridgewater, get my drift.

He is a marksman in the pocket as good as I've ever seen. His windows are tighter & more precise than even Aaron Rodgers coming out of College. However he will need significant supporting cast mainly offensive linemen who can wall off defenders, like Denver has for Manning. So how can he withstand solid contact @ NFL level when teams know line cannot hold up & they can just pin there ears back while staggering LB's up the middle through gaps?

 

[Texian]

I've been wrong all season in regards to Texan ineptitude, never thinking once first pick would be @ hand & still refuse to believe it!

I tend to agree, even if Texans lose out. Texans still have to play NE, Indy, Denver, and Tenn and their cumulative W-L % makes it difficult to get to #1. Only real chance I see is if Texans are the lone 2-14 team.

 

[badboy]

I got ya. You misunderstood my terrible analogy so I'll drop that. The point is that at all positions you can try to make the draft picks fit - except QB. I just don't think you ever pass on a great QB (I'm not saying that anyone in this draft fits - I'm not good enough to). You don't pick a great OLB in the first, passing over a potential top 5 QB, then take one of the "other" QBs. IMO that is a way to ruin your team. You may get good QB play but never great. I want great. I want a QB that can win games not one that can "not lose" games. With draft picks not hitting the cap as hard as the past, taking a QB with a first round pick and whiffing doesn't cost the team as much as it did in the past. If one seems like he could be a top end QB, take the chance or you'll be stuck with McCarron's and Mettenberger's or giving up tons of picks to move up to get another high draft pick (see Redskins for RG3).

Pretty much agree with your post but does not apply in 2014 draft imo. I look more at how I think player will perform in NFL than what round picked in. I don't focus much on "reaches" either as player may be gone when your turn comes up in a later round. If you like the guy go get him.

I do pick a great "whatever" over a "potential" top 5 QB; just depends on circumstance and players. For example, I would pick Matthews over every QB as it stands today, knowing things will change rest of season, bowls, combine, etc. We are mocking or at least I am that this offense remains in place as we cannot guess who will replace Kubes or Phillips.

I want to be "stuck" with McCarron in third and hopefully trade out of top 5 in both first and second rounds as my two trade mock indicates. This is that evaluation thing I mentioned prior. We have different evals on the QBs.

 

[badboy]

QB trumps al in my book, get a great one and you are half way there.

Yep but none of these look "great" to me. My position is get the one you like the best BUT figure in what else you can get. A player like McCarron behind a line that we have to build no matter who we draft plus our WRs and Foster would be perfect. The only complaint most seem to have with AJ is they don't know if he can "carry" the team only because he has not had to. Other than Manziel, who has on a regular basis?

 

[badboy]

Most young qb's struggle with how much smaller the NFL passing window gets from college. this, combined with other factors is why you see so many of them come in their 1st year and are either throwing picks by the boat loads or are holding onto the ball too long and taking so many sacks...They're waiting for that 2-5 yard window to open up on 1 of their WR's...which rarely happens.

Any decent NFL back up can come in & "do what they're told" by throwing it to guys running wide open by 2-5 yards like Mariota & McCarron largely have had to do. & from a qb's perspective, It's easy to be confident throwing the ball when you know you've got 2-5+ yards where you can miss. All of these prospects can do that.


When you're looking for a young talented qb in the draft, You want to see a guy who is confident & comfortable throwing in those NFL windows which are more often than not a half a yard - 1 yard max. Haven't seen much of that from Mariota or McCarron. Not saying they can't do it, but it's definitely gonna be an adjustment they're gonna struggle with. Mettenberger is the guy i've seen most consistently do that with relatively no issues...

No they cannot or they would not be a backup on most teams. I am also concerned why Johnson and Hopkins don't get open more. I think it is play calling. I hate to throw to a WR behind or just past LOS. Not saying it can't be successful but seems like wasting their talent and beating them up unnecessarily. Also, as you say, all these QBs will have to adjust so that proves nothing.

 

[badboy]

I've been wrong all season in regards to Texan ineptitude, never thinking once first pick would be @ hand & still refuse to believe it!

If by pop & circumstance they do, there are other teams who will covet Bridgewater, get my drift.

He is a marksman in the pocket as good as I've ever seen. His windows are tighter & more precise than even Aaron Rodgers coming out of College. However he will need significant supporting cast mainly offensive linemen who can wall off defenders, like Denver has for Manning. So how can he withstand solid contact @ NFL level when teams know line cannot hold up & they can just pin there ears back while staggering LB's up the middle through gaps?

Right on target and I do get your drift and hope Cleveland does also.

 

[aussie_texan]

Right on target and I do get your drift and hope Cleveland does also.

would be an absolute dream if we got Cleveland's 2 firsts. this team could bounce back very quickly if this happened.

 

[Rey]

Yeah, there's 0 chance we pass up bridgewater if the texans think he's a stud.

 

[steelbtexan]

Most young qb's struggle with how much smaller the NFL passing window gets from college. this, combined with other factors is why you see so many of them come in their 1st year and are either throwing picks by the boat loads or are holding onto the ball too long and taking so many sacks...They're waiting for that 2-5 yard window to open up on 1 of their WR's...which rarely happens.

Any decent NFL back up can come in & "do what they're told" by throwing it to guys running wide open by 2-5 yards like Mariota & McCarron largely have had to do. & from a qb's perspective, It's easy to be confident throwing the ball when you know you've got 2-5+ yards where you can miss. All of these prospects can do that.


When you're looking for a young talented qb in the draft, You want to see a guy who is confident & comfortable throwing in those NFL windows which are more often than not a half a yard - 1 yard max. Haven't seen much of that from Mariota or McCarron. Not saying they can't do it, but it's definitely gonna be an adjustment they're gonna struggle with. Mettenberger is the guy i've seen most consistently do that with relatively no issues...

I've seen McCarron do this a few times, not often because he hasn't had too.

Agreed about Mettenberger, he reminds me of Roethlisberger so much. I like him better than Bridgewater because he has a better arm, stands tall in the pocket and consistently fits the ball in tight windows. Plus he's had a yr in Cameron's pro system so the learning curve may not be as great.

After Mettenberger and Carr interview and show off their arms at the combine they will probably be top 10 picks.

I also think Murray can fit the ball into the windows you are talking about. Where do you think he will fall after tearing his ACL and not being able to workout at the combine and not having a rookie training camp most likely. He may not play in 2014 but some team is going to get a steal in the 4/5th rd when they take Murray. IMHO

 

[badboy]

would be an absolute dream if we got Cleveland's 2 firsts. this team could bounce back very quickly if this happened.

Personally based on history of first round trades we could get even more. #8 & Colts #25 (as of today) not enough for #1 or #2. As I really like possibilities in 2nd & 3rd rounds I think I prefer those over picks in 2015. Cleveland has two thirds.

 

[aussie_texan]

Personally based on history of first round trades we could get even more. #8 & Colts #25 (as of today) not enough for #1 or #2. As I really like possibilities in 2nd & 3rd rounds I think I prefer those over picks in 2015. Cleveland has two thirds.

so two 1sts and the two 3rds then. or is that to much?

then trade the 2 3rds to move up in the 2nd

ahhhh the possibilities

 

[Texian]

so two 1sts and the two 3rds then. or is that to much?

then trade the 2 3rds to move up in the 2nd

ahhhh the possibilities

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2257907&postcount=489

 

[aussie_texan]

http://www.texanstalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2257907&postcount=489

hmm i like where this is heading.


also i have looked at bortles some more, and I'm thinking of doing a mock with him as my franchise QB. but i think he will be available with the 1st pick of the 2nd round.

 

[Texian]

hmm i like where this is heading.


also i have looked at bortles some more, and I'm thinking of doing a mock with him as my franchise QB. but i think he will be available with the 1st pick of the 2nd round.

He's on ESPN tomorrow night @ 7:00PM and by the time it gets around to the draft he'll likely be one of the Top 3 QBs. He did after all beat the media darling Teddy Bridgewater in Louisville.

 

[aussie_texan]

He's on ESPN tomorrow night @ 7:00PM and by the time it gets around to the draft he'll likely be one of the Top 3 QBs. He did after all beat the media darling Teddy Bridgewater in Louisville.

bridgewater, mariota, manziel, carr, boyd. seem likely imo to go ahead of him.
his with mettenberger as the guy who could move up to the end of the first but end up going high 2nd.

manziel - someone will fall in love with the guy, just to much production to overlook.

carr - is continuing to rise week by week and shows his ability through multiple years

boyd is a ? i think the media hyped up his falling stock but i think some scouts will not be overly concerned with the one or 2 bad games. still plenty of time in the evaluation process so this could change drastically.

i think the highest brotles goes is the early 20s but at this stage his a low 1st high 2nd round grade..imo

 

[badboy]

so two 1sts and the two 3rds then. or is that to much?

then trade the 2 3rds to move up in the 2nd

ahhhh the possibilities

I going to disagree on trading two thirds up for a second rounder. Here are possible starters at those third round selections with ESPN rank in (): AJ McCarron (70), CJ Fiedorowicz (90) Jackson Jeffcoat (91), Pierre Desir (100), Yawin Smallwood (104), Ahmad Dixon (108), Danny Shelton NT (115), Tre Boston (122), Carlos Hyde rb (120), CJ Barnett (126).

That is just to name a few who could play significant role if not start.

 

[aussie_texan]

I going to disagree on trading two thirds up for a second rounder. Here are possible starters at those third round selections with ESPN rank in (): AJ McCarron (70), CJ Fiedorowicz (90) Jackson Jeffcoat (91), Pierre Desir (100), Yawin Smallwood (104), Ahmad Dixon (108), Danny Shelton NT (115), Tre Boston (122), Carlos Hyde rb (120), CJ Barnett (126).

That is just to name a few who could play significant role if not start.

yeah i think i agree with you ... just got a little excited

 

[bhsman]

This is a nice write-up on Mettenberger if anyone is interested.

 

[badboy]

yeah i think i agree with you ... just got a little excited

Hey it is good to have something to be excited about but no reason to think Texans would trade down.

 

[aussie_texan]

Hey it is good to have something to be excited about but no reason to think Texans would trade down.

???

 

[badboy]

???

Just concerned they would not trade away a Clowney or Bridgewater no matter the offer. Keep in mind that some of the guys we are considering will return to school increasing pressure to keep a "star".

 

[aussie_texan]

Just concerned they would not trade away a Clowney or Bridgewater no matter the offer. Keep in mind that some of the guys we are considering will return to school increasing pressure to keep a "star".

ok i understand now.

hopefully they trade down but who knows at this stage. must wait till the season ends to really start wondering about these things to make a more informed opinion

 

[Texian]

bridgewater, mariota, manziel, carr, boyd. seem likely imo to go ahead of him.
his with mettenberger as the guy who could move up to the end of the first but end up going high 2nd.

manziel - someone will fall in love with the guy, just to much production to overlook.

carr - is continuing to rise week by week and shows his ability through multiple years

boyd is a ? i think the media hyped up his falling stock but i think some scouts will not be overly concerned with the one or 2 bad games. still plenty of time in the evaluation process so this could change drastically.

i think the highest brotles goes is the early 20s but at this stage his a low 1st high 2nd round grade..imo

It looks like Bortles and UCF could be playing Auburn in the Sugar Bowl. If Bortles plays well the secret will be out of the bottle. Bridgewater no doubt is a media darling and was propelled to a popular media anointment of being the future #1 pick. That all came about from his performance last year in the Sugar Bowl.

Bridgewater is not playing in the Sugar Bowl this year because Bortles and UCF beat Bridgewater and Louisville in Louisville. Remember this time last year not many knew about Teddy Bridgewater. It was only after his Sugar Bowl appearance did he become a household name. Regardless of the fact that Florida played a much worse game than Bridgewater played a good game. Bridgewater did play a very good game but Florida played a worse game.

 

[bah007]

It looks like Bortles and UCF could be playing Auburn in the Sugar Bowl. If Bortles plays well the secret will be out of the bottle. Bridgewater no doubt is a media darling and was propelled to a popular media anointment of being the future #1 pick. That all came about from his performance last year in the Sugar Bowl.

Bridgewater is not playing in the Sugar Bowl this year because Bortles and UCF beat Bridgewater and Louisville in Louisville. Remember this time last year not many knew about Teddy Bridgewater. It was only after his Sugar Bowl appearance did he become a household name. Regardless of the fact that Florida played a much worse game than Bridgewater played a good game. Bridgewater did play a very good game but Florida played a worse game.

Disagree about Bridgewater. I agree that Florida was not very good in that Sugar Bowl, but Bridgewater had been on the map ever since the second or third game of the season when he torched a North Carolina team that had plenty of NFL talent on defense.

Now granted, the casual fan didn't know much about him, but people who pay attention to the draft have had this guy on the radar for awhile.

 

[stingray]

Everybody has talked about how Manziel looked terrible against LSU. But nobody is commenting on Mettenbergers performance today against Arkansas so far today. He has played terrible. Turning the ball over and consistently overthrowing his recievers.

 

[bah007]

Everybody has talked about how Manziel looked terrible against LSU. But nobody is commenting on Mettenbergers performance today against Arkansas so far today. He has played terrible. Turning the ball over and consistently overthrowing his recievers.

Mettenberger isn't that great. If he was the same size as the other guys he would have a 3rd round grade. Looks like Byron Leftwich to me.

 

[stingray]

Mettenberger isn't that great. If he was the same size as the other guys he would have a 3rd round grade. Looks like Byron Leftwich to me.

Yeah, he doesn't look good at all. Mind you, it's just one game but I am not impressed.

 

[bah007]

Yeah, he doesn't look good at all. Mind you, it's just one game but I am not impressed.

He has improved tremendously from last year to this year and that gives me hope, but he is very overrated because of his size. When he is good he is good, but when he is bad.....it's really bad.

 

[steelbtexan]

Down goes Mettenberger.

Looks like there are going to be some very good QB's coming off knee injuries in rds 3/5.

Murray/Mettenberger

 

[Texian]

Down goes Mettenberger.

Looks like there are going to be some very good QB's coming off knee injuries in rds 3/5.

Murray/Mettenberger

Ruh Roh! He's not suppose to get hurt, he's BIG, TALL and a POCKET PASSER. Or as I like to say, all QBs get hurt unless your name is Bret Farve. BIG TALL POCKET PASSERS who don't RUN don't get hurt is a MYTH. MYTHBUSTERS = TRUE

 

[bhsman]

LSU fan here; not to absolve Mett of his issues this year, but his line has been inconsistent as all hell this year. Him fumbling and being injured doesn't surprise me.

 

[steelbtexan]

LSU fan here; not to absolve Mett of his issues this year, but his line has been inconsistent as all hell this year. Him fumbling and being injured doesn't surprise me.

Yep, Mettenberger has taken a real beating. Tough guy though, hopefully it's just a sprained knee.

What do you think of LT Collins. He's rated 2-3rd rd. But I've seen him get overpowered far to often for my taste.

 

[bhsman]

Yep, Mettenberger has taken a real beating. Tough guy though, hopefully it's just a sprained knee.

What do you think of LT Collins. He's rated 2-3rd rd. But I've seen him get overpowered far to often for my taste.

Has all the ability but needs to get more consistent; I'd like to see him come back for another year but he's otherwise good in the third-fourth.