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Preseason GM 3: the 49ers

leebigeztx

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Beasley will be available after week 1. I would rather Caserio trade for Gesicki and sign him long term. Guys a great slot guy who can play some TE.
I think Cooks is the best slot option. He smart and fast. With the new rules, the "slot" isn't what it used to be, the smallish, welker type. Cincy does it with Boyd, Rams does it with Kupp,Tampa does it with Godwin. I would rather the have an outside guy and treat Cooks as the slot. JMO
 

steelbtexan

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I think Cooks is the best slot option. He smart and fast. With the new rules, the "slot" isn't what it used to be, the smallish, welker type. Cincy does it with Boyd, Rams does it with Kupp,Tampa does it with Godwin. I would rather the have an outside guy and treat Cooks as the slot. JMO
There's certainly a case to be made for this. If Caserio could make a deal for Mims or Marshall I could get on board.
 

OptimisticTexan

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I think Cooks is the best slot option. He smart and fast. With the new rules, the "slot" isn't what it used to be, the smallish, welker type. Cincy does it with Boyd, Rams does it with Kupp,Tampa does it with Godwin. I would rather the have an outside guy and treat Cooks as the slot. JMO
Draft WR- Quentin Johnston (TCU) in RD1 of the 2023 NFL Draft and your, mine, and several others would finally see the Texans field a devastating WR group against NFL defenses.

WR1- Johnston
WR2- Collins
WR3/SWR- Cooks
WR3/SWR- Metchie

Pep and Mills could have a lot of fun with a receiving group like this.
 

vtech9

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I think Cooks is the best slot option. He smart and fast. With the new rules, the "slot" isn't what it used to be, the smallish, welker type. Cincy does it with Boyd, Rams does it with Kupp,Tampa does it with Godwin. I would rather the have an outside guy and treat Cooks as the slot. JMO
This is something I put out there a few weeks ago. In my mind, Cooks is a perfect slot wr. The only problem is that we don't have a true WR1.

Conley and Moore are JAGs, and if it came down to the two of them, I'm keeping Moore, and cutting Conley. I think I might even keep Dorsett and Camp over Conley.

But back on point, if we can get a true WR1 either in free agency or the draft next year, I would move Cooks to the slot in a heartbeat.
 

Rich Schmidt

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I agree one more top flight WR would make a huge differnece, With all the stud WR coming from college nowadays, I would best use a late RD1 (trade back up), as there is so much quality available, I would trust scouts to find a stud you can control for 5 years, but top of RD picks I would use on a stud LT to to be positioned to say bye to Tunsil, or a can't miss rush end or CB.
 

thunderkyss

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This is something I put out there a few weeks ago. In my mind, Cooks is a perfect slot wr. The only problem is that we don't have a true WR1.

Conley and Moore are JAGs, and if it came down to the two of them, I'm keeping Moore, and cutting Conley. I think I might even keep Dorsett and Camp over Conley.

But back on point, if we can get a true WR1 either in free agency or the draft next year, I would move Cooks to the slot in a heartbeat.
What do you think of Nico Collins?
 

Earl34

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This is something I put out there a few weeks ago. In my mind, Cooks is a perfect slot wr. The only problem is that we don't have a true WR1.

Conley and Moore are JAGs, and if it came down to the two of them, I'm keeping Moore, and cutting Conley. I think I might even keep Dorsett and Camp over Conley.

But back on point, if we can get a true WR1 either in free agency or the draft next year, I would move Cooks to the slot in a heartbeat.
He's still available. Anyone wants to take another look at Will Fuller to replace Moore or Conley?
 

vtech9

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I'd rather bring in Beasley or T.Y. to play in the slot than bring in Fuller as a WR1. I would even bring in Odell on a prove it deal, to be the WR1 before bringing in Fuller, and think OBJ is a cancer.
 

thunderkyss

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I'd rather bring in Beasley or T.Y. to play in the slot than bring in Fuller as a WR1. I would even bring in Odell on a prove it deal, to be the WR1 before bringing in Fuller, and think OBJ is a cancer.
So
 

maverick512000

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I'd rather bring in Beasley or T.Y. to play in the slot than bring in Fuller as a WR1. I would even bring in Odell on a prove it deal, to be the WR1 before bringing in Fuller, and think OBJ is a cancer.
Why? Yeah he can’t stay healthy but when he is on the field he changes the game completely. I would bring him in on a one year deal for 5 million or so, like @thunderkyss said, and use the time he is on the field to really see what Mills can do. Right now I’m worried that with as iffy as this WR group is we are going to get in Derek Carr territory of is he a bad QB or did he just not have anyone to throw to. Give Mills a real weapon so then you know whether to keep filling holes next draft or bundle everything up to make a run at a QB.
 
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maverick512000

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In my opinion, he's a redzone, 50/50 guy who struggles getting separation. He's useful, but not good enough to dictate coverage or get yac. He's faster than what Nuk was, but Hopkins was slippery quick and the way he attacked the ball was something else. Plus he could get off press early in his career.
Nuk was never a guy that was going to burn a defender or constantly break away from them. Nuk’s game is and was that he was going to win pretty much any match up. If the defender was anything less than an all pro guy then Nuk would win every time and even against all pro guys he won more than not.

Collins is ok and as a WR2 or luxury WR3 he’s fine. As a WR1, well he’s the definition of going to war with the army you have.
 

leebigeztx

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Why? Yeah he can’t stay healthy but when he is on the field he changes the game completely. I would bring him in on a one year deal for 5 million or so, like @thunderkyss said, and use the time he is on the field to really see what Mills can do. Right now I’m worried that with as iffy as this WR group is we are going to get in Derek Carr territory of is he a bad QB or did he just not have anyone to throw to. Give Mills a real weapon so then you know whether to keep filling holes next draft or bundle everything up to make a run at a QB.
I'm like this, how many weapons #4 had? There are only so many players, skill position wise you can keep and pay with the cap. The qb has to make players available better. A talent evaluator can and should be able to evaluate the qb even without a stacked deck. Is he lifting the talent or is the talent lifting the qb? Is the qb making plays when he has the chance? Is he putting the team in position to win? These are attributes imo that a top shelf qb does despite having an abundance of talent. I think in most games, the defense will keep the team in games, but if the offense in on a path of consecutive 3 and outs or not moving the ball, then the qb is not doing his job and need replacing. Again, this is my opinion despite who the qb is.
 

steelbtexan

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I'm like this, how many weapons #4 had? There are only so many players, skill position wise you can keep and pay with the cap. The qb has to make players available better. A talent evaluator can and should be able to evaluate the qb even without a stacked deck. Is he lifting the talent or is the talent lifting the qb? Is the qb making plays when he has the chance? Is he putting the team in position to win? These are attributes imo that a top shelf qb does despite having an abundance of talent. I think in most games, the defense will keep the team in games, but if the offense in on a path of consecutive 3 and outs or not moving the ball, then the qb is not doing his job and need replacing. Again, this is my opinion despite who the qb is.
Cooks and Collins are the only weapons he has. Nobody is good at working the middle of the field. Gotta give Mills a couple of more weapons and I'm not talking about the Moore/Conley's of the world.
 

Texansballer74

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Cooks and Collins are the only weapons he has. Nobody is good at working the middle of the field. Gotta give Mills a couple of more weapons and I'm not talking about the Moore/Conley's of the world.
Dorsett is a weapon and so is Pierce and Mack out of the backfield. Not too many teams have 4-6 wide receiver weapons if any. Hopefully Brown or Jordan can be a weapon at the tight end position.
 

maverick512000

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I'm like this, how many weapons #4 had? There are only so many players, skill position wise you can keep and pay with the cap. The qb has to make players available better. A talent evaluator can and should be able to evaluate the qb even without a stacked deck. Is he lifting the talent or is the talent lifting the qb? Is the qb making plays when he has the chance? Is he putting the team in position to win? These are attributes imo that a top shelf qb does despite having an abundance of talent. I think in most games, the defense will keep the team in games, but if the offense in on a path of consecutive 3 and outs or not moving the ball, then the qb is not doing his job and need replacing. Again, this is my opinion despite who the qb is.
Watson had Hopkins and then Fuller, even if he was injured alot, his entire time here except the last season.
 

maverick512000

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Dorsett is a weapon and so is Pierce and Mack out of the backfield. Not too many teams have 4-6 wide receiver weapons if any. Hopefully Brown or Jordan can be a weapon at the tight end position.
Dorsett is not a weapon, he is a JAG and not a good one at that considering he spent 3 seasons with the GOAT throwing to him and still couldn't make any noise except for one season when he did alright but didn't get one reception in the SB.

Pierce is a rookie that is still unproven and was a 4th round pick. Granted you can find decent RBs in the 4th round but he's still a rookie thats never been in a real NFL game.

Mack's best days are behind him and while he may make some plays he's going to need the line to help him, alot.

Even of those 3 you named only one is a WR so while RBs are weapons they are more team weapons than they are QB weapons because you're almost never going to send a RB deep to catch a bomb pass unless the defense makes a mistake and he happens to be open. Fact is Mills doesn't have a real WR1 to throw to and you can make an argument he barely has a WR2. Just because a guy is being put into the role of WR1 and being called that doesn't mean he has the skill and talent to do the job.
 

DocBar

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Dorsett is not a weapon, he is a JAG and not a good one at that considering he spent 3 seasons with the GOAT throwing to him and still couldn't make any noise except for one season when he did alright but didn't get one reception in the SB.

Pierce is a rookie that is still unproven and was a 4th round pick. Granted you can find decent RBs in the 4th round but he's still a rookie thats never been in a real NFL game.

Mack's best days are behind him and while he may make some plays he's going to need the line to help him, alot.

Even of those 3 you named only one is a WR so while RBs are weapons they are more team weapons than they are QB weapons because you're almost never going to send a RB deep to catch a bomb pass unless the defense makes a mistake and he happens to be open. Fact is Mills doesn't have a real WR1 to throw to and you can make an argument he barely has a WR2. Just because a guy is being put into the role of WR1 and being called that doesn't mean he has the skill and talent to do the job.
Cooks is a pretty damn good WR. One of 2 NFL players to have 1,000 yds receiving for 4 different teams. We shall see about Collins. Could go either way with him. Not overly impressed with the other WRs.
 

maverick512000

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Cooks is a pretty damn good WR. One of 2 NFL players to have 1,000 yds receiving for 4 different teams. We shall see about Collins. Could go either way with him. Not overly impressed with the other WRs.
I will grant you that and as a WR2 he would be perfect but not as WR1. He's turned in a lot of yards but you can't really say that he's gone out and won games for his team. On top of that he's been in the league almost 10 years now so you know that has taken its toll and his best days are behind him.
 

steelbtexan

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I will grant you that and as a WR2 he would be perfect but not as WR1. He's turned in a lot of yards but you can't really say that he's gone out and won games for his team. On top of that he's been in the league almost 10 years now so you know that has taken its toll and his best days are behind him.
Apparently you didn't see Cooks catching a pass for a TD from Brady to beat the Texans in Foxboro. He didn't look like his best days were behind him last yr. If he can keep from getting concussed then I expect Cooks to put up similar numbers like he did last yr.
 

Texansballer74

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Dorsett is not a weapon, he is a JAG and not a good one at that considering he spent 3 seasons with the GOAT throwing to him and still couldn't make any noise except for one season when he did alright but didn't get one reception in the SB.

Pierce is a rookie that is still unproven and was a 4th round pick. Granted you can find decent RBs in the 4th round but he's still a rookie thats never been in a real NFL game.


Mack's best days are behind him and while he may make some plays he's going to need the line to help him, alot.

Even of those 3 you named only one is a WR so while RBs are weapons they are more team weapons than they are QB weapons because you're almost never going to send a RB deep to catch a bomb pass unless the defense makes a mistake and he happens to be open. Fact is Mills doesn't have a real WR1 to throw to and you can make an argument he barely has a WR2. Just because a guy is being put into the role of WR1 and being called that doesn't mean he has the skill and talent to do the job.
Imo Dorsett is a weapon, injuries is what derailed his career. Now is he an elite weapon, no but with his speed defenses will have to account for him.

Of course Pierce is an unproven commodity but he’s still weapon. And for what we’ve saw and heard, he will be used as such.
You don not know if Mack’s days are behind him. He can catch the ball out of the backfield. Not that many linebackers will be able to cover him.
 

steelbtexan

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Imo Dorsett is a weapon, injuries is what derailed his career. Now is he an elite weapon, no but with his speed defenses will have to account for him.

Of course Pierce is an unproven commodity but he’s still weapon. And for what we’ve saw and heard, he will be used as such.
You don not know if Mack’s days are behind him. He can catch the ball out of the backfield. Not that many linebackers will be able to cover him.
A weapon is somebody like Deebo or Chase/Hill/Kelce/Pitts.
 

maverick512000

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Apparently you didn't see Cooks catching a pass for a TD from Brady to beat the Texans in Foxboro. He didn't look like his best days were behind him last yr. If he can keep from getting concussed then I expect Cooks to put up similar numbers like he did last yr.
I saw and that game was in 2017 so 5 years ago. Cooks had good numbers and was consistent but lets not pretend he was blowing defenses out of the water. Like I said he's a good WR2 but we are needing him to be a good WR1 which I'm not sure he can.

Imo Dorsett is a weapon, injuries is what derailed his career. Now is he an elite weapon, no but with his speed defenses will have to account for him.

Of course Pierce is an unproven commodity but he’s still weapon. And for what we’ve saw and heard, he will be used as such.
You don not know if Mack’s days are behind him. He can catch the ball out of the backfield. Not that many linebackers will be able to cover him.
I hope you're right but from what I've seen players don't get better with age nor do they suddenly figure it out their 7th year in the league, maybe Dorsett will be the exception but somehow I doubt it. As for Mack he is going into his 6th season playing the most short career lifespan in all the NFL. If you don't think his best days are behind him then you're not being realistic.
 

steelbtexan

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I saw and that game was in 2017 so 5 years ago. Cooks had good numbers and was consistent but lets not pretend he was blowing defenses out of the water. Like I said he's a good WR2 but we are needing him to be a good WR1 which I'm not sure he can.



I hope you're right but from what I've seen players don't get better with age nor do they suddenly figure it out their 7th year in the league, maybe Dorsett will be the exception but somehow I doubt it. As for Mack he is going into his 6th season playing the most short career lifespan in all the NFL. If you don't think his best days are behind him then you're not being realistic.
Cooks is a 1B type WR who's a great WR2. Did you not like how he looked last yrwhen facing double teams because he's Mills only real weapon? Hopefully Collins can develop into a solid play maker along with Pierce. Play makers still need to be added.


Dorsett is a fringe NFL player who has struggled to stay healthy throughout his career.
 

maverick512000

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Cooks is a 1B type WR who's a great WR2. Did you not like how he looked last yrwhen facing double teams because he's Mills only real weapon? Hopefully Collins can develop into a solid play maker along with Pierce. Play makers still need to be added.


Dorsett is a fringe NFL player who has struggled to stay healthy throughout his career.
See thats exactly what I said, he's perfect for WR2 but the problem is we need him to be WR1. Yeah he looked good last year but he's no Cooper, Hopkins, Hill or Fitzgerald to do that all the time. Now I will grant you those guys are superstars and no not every team is going to have a superstar, in fact most won't, and they can also make a QB look better than he is because they are so good. But there has to be a happy middle ground between all pro and "just making do with what we have" that we could find and sign. Said it before but I think Metchie was suppose to be that guy and him having to be out for the season has left the team scrambling.
 
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steelbtexan

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See thats exactly what I said, he's perfect for WR2 but the problem is we need him to be WR1. Yeah he looked good last year he's no Cooper, Hopkins, Hill or Fitzgerald to do that all the time. Now I will grant you those guys are superstars and no not every team is going to have a superstar, in fact most won't, and they can also make a QB look better than he is because they are so good. But there has to be a happy middle ground between all pro and "just making do with what we have" that we could find and sign. Said it before but I think Metchie was suppose to be that guy and him having to be out for the season has left the team scrambling.
Yet Cooks has put up better numbers than Cooper or Hopkins the last couple of yrs. Atleast last yr and he should put up better numbers than Hopkins this yr.

Cooks and Collins were going to be the outside guys with Metchie doing the dirty work over the middle. Now we can only hope Collins improves because if he doesn't expect to see more of what we saw last yr.
 

badboy

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Draft WR- Quentin Johnston (TCU) in RD1 of the 2023 NFL Draft and your, mine, and several others would finally see the Texans field a devastating WR group against NFL defenses.

WR1- Johnston
WR2- Collins
WR3/SWR- Cooks
WR3/SWR- Metchie

Pep and Mills could have a lot of fun with a receiving group like this.
Post being relocated to draft forum in 5 -4 -3 -2
 

badboy

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Does every thread have to become a draft thread? Season hasn't been started yet and final 53 not been set... please take the draft pondering to a draft thread
Almost every thread bunny Trails into former quarterbacks, coaches, general managers, DeShaun Watson or which political party is responsible.
 

Earl34

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Yet Cooks has put up better numbers than Cooper or Hopkins the last couple of yrs. Atleast last yr and he should put up better numbers than Hopkins this yr.

Cooks and Collins were going to be the outside guys with Metchie doing the dirty work over the middle. Now we can only hope Collins improves because if he doesn't expect to see more of what we saw last yr.
By the way, Cooks was targeted 134 times while no other WR was targeted more than 60 times (Collins). You still have concerns about WR targets and the distribution?
 

Texansballer74

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A weapon is somebody like Deebo or Chase/Hill/Kelce/Pitts.
That’s your definition. But a weapon could be any receiver, running back and/or Tight end. It’s how they’re utilized in that specific offense. Now if you gents are talking about superstars, then yeah we could say Cooks is the only possible superstar.
 

vtech9

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Why? Yeah he can’t stay healthy but when he is on the field he changes the game completely. I would bring him in on a one year deal for 5 million or so, like @thunderkyss said, and use the time he is on the field to really see what Mills can do. Right now I’m worried that with as iffy as this WR group is we are going to get in Derek Carr territory of is he a bad QB or did he just not have anyone to throw to. Give Mills a real weapon so then you know whether to keep filling holes next draft or bundle everything up to make a run at a QB.
I don't really consider Fuller a real threat. I don't think many DB's or DC's are threatened by Fuller being on the field. OBJ is a serious threat though.
 

maverick512000

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I don't really consider Fuller a real threat. I don't think many DB's or DC's are threatened by Fuller being on the field. OBJ is a serious threat though.
Anybody that can be 30 yards down field before the defense even realizes they have taken off is a threat. There are very few defenders that could keep up with Fuller's speed so you had to keep someone back deep field and hope they could get to him before he caught the ball. As far as OBJ goes I've always thought he was overrated frankly. He had that amazing catch against Dallas but after that he was good but didn't help the Giants and later the Browns all that much. Plus he's a diva and we just got rid of our diva.
 

steelbtexan

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Yes, bu
By the way, Cooks was targeted 134 times while no other WR was targeted more than 60 times (Collins). You still have concerns about WR targets and the distribution?
Yes, but that's really all Mills has to throw too, unless Collins comes around we're going to see the same things we saw last year. What I would really like for Caserio to do is trade for Mims or Marshall and bring in Beasley after week 1.
 
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steelbtexan

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That’s your definition. But a weapon could be any receiver, running back and/or Tight end. It’s how they’re utilized in that specific offense. Now if you gents are talking about superstars, then yeah we could say Cooks is the only possible superstar.
I'm talking about difference makers. By your definition I could be a weapon and I'm old, fat and slow. Just because someone is out there doesn't mean they're a true threat.
 

Texansballer74

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I'm talking about difference makers. By your definition I could be a weapon and I'm old, fat and slow. Just because someone is out there doesn't mean they're a true threat.
I’m telling you what a coach would tell you. You’re looking at it the wrong way. Those I mentioned will have a chance to show their worth in this new offensive scheme. Will they actually pan out, we shall see. And come on don’t put yourself out there like that. Try out and Make the team first lol.
 


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