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Pep Hamilton's "No Coast System" Offense

I like Hamilton. I like how after he got labeled as not being able to plan an offense he took some humble pie and participated in the XFL. Where, and I know it's the XFL, he looked pretty confident.

Hope he hashed out some of those issues he ran into earlier in his career. Dude's definitely got potential.

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KA4Texan

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He had Luck, a generational talent and Herbert one of the most physically gifted qbs in the NFL. Texans has Davis Mills.
But do you not see the plan laid out?

Create mismatches. Running with power.
Being efficient on 3rd downs. Early down completions and shots down field.

I mean what, are you one of those "How do you plan to accomplish that?" Kind of people huh?
 
But do you not see the plan laid out?

Create mismatches. Running with power.
Being efficient on 3rd downs. Early down completions and shots down field.

I mean what, are you one of those "How do you plan to accomplish that?" Kind of people huh?
He's just stating that Hamilton has failed with better, which is a fair argument.

The pros of Hamilton is that he's a good developer and the hope that he has fixed is game planning issues.

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leebigeztx

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But do you not see the plan laid out?

Create mismatches. Running with power.
Being efficient on 3rd downs. Early down completions and shots down field.

I mean what, are you one of those "How do you plan to accomplish that?" Kind of people huh?
Thats every offensive coaches philosophy. Go read every oc motto. Tell me who the oline coach and rbs are and I will tell you if they can accomplish it. Other than that, and I like Pep, is just talk. BOB was gamelan offense which meant they weren't good at anything specific. I need to see the staple plays for Pep even if the don't have all the talent. If power means running into the hole and getting 2 yards, thats not a move.
 

1TexanFan

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We really need Mike Munchak to leave Denver and come to Houston, throw 2 million at him. Munchak has coached up 7 players to Pro Bowl. He is considered one of the best position coaches in the league. He was in Houston for 17 years, we need him back. How about Hines Ward as the Wide Receivers Coach? These two moves will move the offense to higher levels.
 

steelbtexan

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But they showed growth. Go look at his stats. They were top level stats.
That's why I think with a commitment to giving Pep/Mills more protection and weapons the improvement we saw was just the tip of the iceberg.

Add an ol like Ikwonu or Neal and add another in the 3rd. Also add a TE in the draft and add a RB late in the draft. Then add another RB and a slot wr and Pep will show you what he and Mills can do together. The TE fa class is deep. I could see Caserio filling a need there.

I like the Lovie HC hire. But would have taken a chance on Pep as HC if I was McNair.

Of course I'm higher on Pep than most.
 

steelbtexan

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We really need Mike Munchak to leave Denver and come to Houston, throw 2 million at him. Munchak has coached up 7 players to Pro Bowl. He is considered one of the best position coaches in the league. He was in Houston for 17 years, we need him back. How about Hines Ward as the Wide Receivers Coach? These two moves will move the offense to higher levels.
Yep give Munch 1-3/2-37 to pick who he wants and I'll guarantee you that the ol will be much improved. Who knows, he may even get Howard/Scharping to improve. Doubtful

The weakest spots on the ol are the OG spots. Think Munch might know a little about og play?
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Pay Munch and bring him back to Kirby.
 
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OptimisticTexan

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Absolutely love that over the shoulder throwing motion. It was the same way I was taught to throw the ball. Anyone remember how short Bernie Kosar’s throwing motion made him?
I meant to include…..Pep Hamilton deciding to forgo other offers to stay with the Texans is in a lot of ways an endorsement of Mills. If Mills was half the train wreck some have described him as being, I doubt there would’ve been any amount of convincing that would’ve had him; one, stay in Houston and two, quit looking at other opportunities. I’m going with the “glass half full” with Pep and his offensive philosophy.
 

Number19

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We really need Mike Munchak to leave Denver and come to Houston, throw 2 million at him. Munchak has coached up 7 players to Pro Bowl. He is considered one of the best position coaches in the league. He was in Houston for 17 years, we need him back. How about Hines Ward as the Wide Receivers Coach? These two moves will move the offense to higher levels.
I've wanted Munch in Houston since his first year coaching with the Titans.
 

Jack Burton

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That's why I think with a commitment to giving Pep/Mills more protection and weapons the improvement we saw was just the tip of the iceberg.

Add an ol like Ikwonu or Neal and add another in the 3rd. Also add a TE in the draft and add a RB late in the draft. Then add another RB and a slot wr and Pep will show you what he and Mills can do together. The TE fa class is deep. I could see Caserio filling a need there.

I like the Lovie HC hire. But would have taken a chance on Pep as HC if I was McNair.

Of course I'm higher on Pep than most.
I would of had no issue whatsoever with hiring Pep as HC.
I like this move as Pep deserves this. I’m hoping he excels and grows into the next HC
 

Mr teX

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I would of had no issue whatsoever with hiring Pep as HC.
I like this move as Pep deserves this. I’m hoping he excels and grows into the next HC
If Mills develops & excels, Pep's likely gone for another HC gig elsewhere....He turned down the Panthers interview for OC..b/c he most likely will have a shot to land the HC spot once Matt Ruhle is fired next year. Among the other spots that could open up for him?

Dallas
Detroit
Indy
Seattle
Washington
Arizona........heard Kyler has pulled a DW4 and removed all things Cardinals from his social media profiles.
 

steelbtexan

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If Mills develops & excels, Pep's likely gone for another HC gig elsewhere....He turned down the Panthers interview for OC..b/c he most likely will have a shot to land the HC spot once Matt Ruhle is fired next year. Among the other spots that could open up for him?

Dallas
Detroit
Indy
Seattle
Washington
Arizona........heard Kyler has pulled a DW4 and removed all things Cardinals from his social media profiles.
If Mills develops, then hopefully Pep will become the Texans HC in a couple of yrs.
 

AcresHomesTexan

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If Mills develops & excels, Pep's likely gone for another HC gig elsewhere....He turned down the Panthers interview for OC..b/c he most likely will have a shot to land the HC spot once Matt Ruhle is fired next year. Among the other spots that could open up for him?

Dallas
Detroit
Indy
Seattle
Washington
Arizona........heard Kyler has pulled a DW4 and removed all things Cardinals from his social media profiles.
and you know there are always 2-3 surprise openings... but

Dallas...Jerry always has a guy either as coach in waiting or name brand coach he is willing to overpay.
Detroit I thin theya re going give the coach there more than two years.
Indy...depends on if the staff can get the QB situation
seattle...Retirement and firing both possible
Washington...QB situation
Arizona...weird team, during a season they both over and under achieve. If the QB situation goes south they bet the under
 

Mr teX

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He had 1 top offense 6pf 3yds, those other 2 years were 14-15, and when luck got hurt, in the 20s, then he got fired.
Pep's the person im happiest for & all this mess surrounding Flores' lawsuit and the Texans' subsequent hiring of Lovie is overshadowing this dude's deserved promotion. He's been due for some time to get another crack at OC and he more than any other candidate outside of Dennis Allen and Duece Staley & Eric Bienemy deserves a legit shot at HC. So obviously i'm hoping he does well, i'd like to see him get a gig whether its here or elsewhere.
 

thunderkyss

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Pep's the person im happiest for & all this mess surrounding Flores' lawsuit and the Texans' subsequent hiring of Lovie is overshadowing this dude's deserved promotion. He's been due for some time to get another crack at OC and he more than any other candidate outside of Dennis Allen and Duece Staley & Eric Bienemy deserves a legit shot at HC. So obviously i'm hoping he does well, i'd like to see him get a gig whether its here or elsewhere.
Why do you think he deserves a promotion?

People seem to settle at their level after a while. Just like a bunch of coordinators try to be HCs, then realize they’re not HCs. Finish the rest of their careers as coordinators.

I’m not saying that’s the case with Pep, but if we don’t see them day to day, working with, collaborating with people, how do we really know?

He was OC in Indy… how’d that go without Andrew Luck? I personally didn’t like the offenses Luck ran. I don’t think he was ever asked to grow into an NFL QB.

I hope he’s a better OC now than he was with the Colts.
 

Mr teX

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Why do you think he deserves a promotion?

People seem to settle at their level after a while. Just like a bunch of coordinators try to be HCs, then realize they’re not HCs. Finish the rest of their careers as coordinators.

I’m not saying that’s the case with Pep, but if we don’t see them day to day, working with, collaborating with people, how do we really know?

He was OC in Indy… how’d that go without Andrew Luck? I personally didn’t like the offenses Luck ran. I don’t think he was ever asked to grow into an NFL QB.

I hope he’s a better OC now than he was with the Colts.
Pep led a pretty explosive Colts offense in 2014. The next year was also the year Luck’s injury issues started that would knock him out half way thru the season and eventually force him into early retirement. Most OC’s and HC’s would be fishes out of water without their star qb and he nor the guy that replaced him as OC was no exception.

He was made the scapegoat for the team’s slow start in 2015 and wasn’t even afforded the opportunity to get them back on track…1 year after taking his team to an AFCCG…..Meanwhile his HC was doing more to help them lose games By drawing up this beauty in the same year. That crap happened just 1 game before Pep was fired …yet Pagano was allowed to keep his job for another almost 2 years before they finally fired him.
 
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leebigeztx

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Why do you think he deserves a promotion?

People seem to settle at their level after a while. Just like a bunch of coordinators try to be HCs, then realize they’re not HCs. Finish the rest of their careers as coordinators.

I’m not saying that’s the case with Pep, but if we don’t see them day to day, working with, collaborating with people, how do we really know?

He was OC in Indy… how’d that go without Andrew Luck? I personally didn’t like the offenses Luck ran. I don’t think he was ever asked to grow into an NFL QB.

I hope he’s a better OC now than he was with the Colts.
I didn't like the luck offense either. He got hit alot, but playmaker like him normally do. He had a healthy Luck for 2 yrs and they were avg 1st year and really good the 2nd..
 

thunderkyss

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He was made the scapegoat for the team’s slow start in 2015 and wasn’t even afforded the opportunity to get them back on track…
So glad you were able to figure that out. Believe me, I'm happy the Texans fell into a competent OC.

Why do you think no one in the NFL thought enough of him to try him at OC? Not even Anthony Lynn?
 

Mr teX

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Pep landed a couple of assistant HC gigs after Indy…which I guess in theory are higher positions than coordinator positions…but above that it was just timing really imo. Lynn started out with Whisenhunt in ‘17 and the guy that eventually took over for him as the OC when he left was with Lynn from day 1 when he started in LA, had paid his dues and was due for a promotion himself.

Lovie sort of spoke to this with his relationship with Pep…said that he’d tried to hire him a few times at his stops but things just didn’t line up.
 

thunderkyss

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Lovie sort of spoke to this with his relationship with Pep…said that he’d tried to hire him a few times at his stops but things just didn’t line up
Doesn't mean he tried to hire him as OC.

Back to the question. The rest of the NFL seems to think he's a QB coach. Why do you think he deserves another shot at OC?
 

TheRealJoker

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There are two major reasons Pep’s offenses were pass heavy while in Indy.

1) The Colts traded a 1st round pick for massive bust Trent Richardson. He was supposed to be a workhorse bell cow RB but he averaged 2.9 and 3.3 ypc while in Indy. With the Colts lacking other options at RB that left reason 2…

2) They had Andrew Luck and a bust at RB. Of course they are going to ride Luck into the ground. It gave them the best chance to win.
 

powda

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None can run the Texans coast style.

A perfect blend of offense and defending in one.

The Texans are masters of this Offending play scheme we have used for many seasons.

"Flag football."

We either succeed or implode based on ref calls.

I'd love to be in a thread where some random poster dubs the team with something catchy and it sticks nationally. Truth is, there's nothing noteworthy about this offense or defense. Why bother?

We're just the Su-xans.
 

michaelm

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"Flag football."

We either succeed or implode based on ref calls.

I'd love to be in a thread where some random poster dubs the team with something catchy and it sticks nationally. Truth is, there's nothing noteworthy about this offense or defense. Why bother?

We're just the Su-xans.
Years ago I suggested the name 11 Girls 1 Cup for the Texans "defense".
While I found it to be accurately descriptive, it never caught on. Unfortunately
 

House of Pain

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There are two major reasons Pep’s offenses were pass heavy while in Indy.

1) The Colts traded a 1st round pick for massive bust Trent Richardson. He was supposed to be a workhorse bell cow RB but he averaged 2.9 and 3.3 ypc while in Indy. With the Colts lacking other options at RB that left reason 2…

2) They had Andrew Luck and a bust at RB. Of course they are going to ride Luck into the ground. It gave them the best chance to win.
IIRC, Trent Richardson was having a lot of family problems, and couldn't keep his mind on the game. I think he had family coming out of the woodwork asking for money, and he was too nice to turn them down. Even with the big contract, he was essentially broke.

He's now playing for a pittance down in Mexico.
 


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