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Penn State Child Molestation Case

I agree. And that is exactly why I want the Penn State football program to die. Sick bastards do what sick bastards do. It's an unfortunate part of reality. The fact that supposedly upstanding, Christian men covered for and/or turned their head to this is actually worse IMO, because they are NOT sick. JoePa was perfectly sane and still let this happen. The AD chose not to pursue it because of the potential black eye. Even the assistant coach that stumbled upon it didn't do everything he should have done.

The failure in the system was not that a mentally deranged bastard did what he did, but rather that perfectly sane and supposedly moral protectorates of young men let it go unchecked.

I agree with you wholeheartedly about the death penalty for Penn State's football program. And they should take it a step further and demolish that training facility where these despicable and vile acts occurred. Nuke the entire joint and pave it over or dedicate a park to victims of child abuse.

But under no circumstance should the school be allowed to continue a program that systematically turned it's back on atrocious abuse of children. That it went on for so long will tarnish Penn State for as long as I'm alive.
 
I agree with you wholeheartedly about the death penalty for Penn State's football program. And they should take it a step further and demolish that training facility where these despicable and vile acts occurred. Nuke the entire joint and pave it over or dedicate a park to victims of child abuse.

But under no circumstance should the school be allowed to continue a program that systematically turned it's back on atrocious abuse of children. That it went on for so long will tarnish Penn State for as long as I'm alive.

I guess if the banks were to big to fail then PSU football was to big to tell .
 
Very scathing report; I wonder what penalties if any Penn State will face. SMU got the death penalty years ago for something far less serious, but I think Penn State will get off because they are viewed as too big and important to college football to get the death penalty.
 
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A press conference from lead investigator Louis Freeh – which you can watch HERE — was about to air on CNN. Large TVs in the Penn State student center were tuned in to the channel. But then, something happened, per the Philadelphia Inquirer

But, just as an anchor was ready to speak about the report, the television screens suddenly went blank. They then turned to a public access channel featuring a reporter from The Morning Call newspaper in Allentown about the state budget.
 
And there you go. Paterno wasn't insulated from what was going on. This clearly reveals him to be a part of the problem. The whole bunch of them are just morally bankrupt people.

From the article linked above:

Some of the report's most damning evidence against Paterno consists of handwritten notes and emails that portray him as being involved with a decision by the officials not to tell child welfare authorities about the 2001 encounter.

Spanier, Schultz and Curley drew up a plan that called for reporting Sandusky to the state Department of Child Welfare. But Curley later said in an email that he changed his mind about the plan "after giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe."

Spanier concurred but noted "the only downside for us is if the message isn't (heard) and acted upon and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it."

The emails also show Paterno closely followed the 1998 allegation.

As I have said before, the actions of Paterno, Spanier, and Curley are as bad or even worse than Sandusky's. Sandusky is clearly mentally ill, but those men are/were perfectly sane, rational people that deliberated and then chose to allow it to continue. That is despicable. Frankly, I can't even think of a strong enough word. Sandusky and the whole lot of them needs to die in a freakin' fire. And the Penn St. football program needs to be permanently shut down.


tvs-at-psu-student-center-suddenly-change-channels-away-from-freeh-announcement

A press conference from lead investigator Louis Freeh – which you can watch HERE — was about to air on CNN. Large TVs in the Penn State student center were tuned in to the channel. But then, something happened, per the Philadelphia Inquirer

But, just as an anchor was ready to speak about the report, the television screens suddenly went blank. They then turned to a public access channel featuring a reporter from The Morning Call newspaper in Allentown about the state budget.

LOL, and they're still covering things up. That's just amazing.
 
From the SI Link

Freeh said officials had opportunities in 1998 and 2001 to step in.

Sexual abuse might have been prevented if university officials had banned Sandusky from bringing children onto campus after a 1998 inquiry, the report said. Despite their knowledge of the police probe into Sandusky showering with a boy in a football locker room, Spanier, Paterno, Curley and Schultz took no action to limit his access to campus, the report said.

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...-sandusky-paterno.ap/index.html#ixzz20QrMiHV9

The bolded statement bugs me for some reason. Banning Sandusky from bringing children onto campus wouldn't have stopped the abuse. Turning him into the authorities was the only way to do that. He would have just found another venue.

It seems to me that some people still aren't getting it.
 
The bolded statement bugs me for some reason. Banning Sandusky from bringing children onto campus wouldn't have stopped the abuse. Turning him into the authorities was the only way to do that. He would have just found another venue.

It seems to me that some people still aren't getting it.

Exactly. And it seems to me that people still aren't viewing the accomplice angle as seriously as they should. I don't know that there has been a news story that has made me this angry in a very long time.
 
From the article linked above:

Some of the report's most damning evidence against Paterno consists of handwritten notes and emails that portray him as being involved with a decision by the officials not to tell child welfare authorities about the 2001 encounter.

Spanier, Schultz and Curley drew up a plan that called for reporting Sandusky to the state Department of Child Welfare. But Curley later said in an email that he changed his mind about the plan "after giving it more thought and talking it over with Joe."

Spanier concurred but noted "the only downside for us is if the message isn't (heard) and acted upon and we then become vulnerable for not having reported it."

The emails also show Paterno closely followed the 1998 allegation.


As I have said before, the actions of Paterno, Spanier, and Curley are as bad or even worse than Sandusky's. Sandusky is clearly mentally ill, but those men are/were perfectly sane, rational people that deliberated and then chose to allow it to continue. That is despicable. Frankly, I can't even think of a strong enough word. Sandusky and the whole lot of them needs to die in a freakin' fire. And the Penn St. football program needs to be permanently shut down.

My thoughts, as well. Now there is not even the slightest doubt that Paterno knew, and not only did he know, he actively participated in the cover-up in order to protect his career and institution. He's a despicable P.O.S. human being along with the rest of them.

And if they continue to "honor" him with statues and the like, I think the entire university, staff, and student body need a serious gut check and deep soul search to figure out what is truly important in life. The lack of honor and the void of just common decency is revealing of a culture that values the wrong things in this world.

No only should they nuke the football program, they need to just demolish the buildings that Sandusky used to commit these heinous acts. I do not comprehend how a student athlete can use the place and not be completely repulsed by all of it.
 
My Coogs should have left their foot on the pedal in the 2nd half of the bowl game against Penn State back in January. We could have easily put 60+ on those guys.
 
I do not comprehend how a student athlete can use the place and not be completely repulsed by all of it.

Eewww.

I probably need to permanently check out of this thread. This would be one of those threads I'd put on ignore if such a forum feature existed.
 
Did anyone see Matt Millen on ESPN earlier? If you didn't just go to Twitter and type his name and you'll see the reaction. His reaction is what disturbs me so much about all of this. These people can't rationally think about what happened without defending Paterno, like somehow it wasn't that bad and that everyone makes mistakes. It's unreal. His statements today made his tenure as Lions GM seem successful.
 
PSU is looking at the death penalty.

Of course I bet they still get off lighter than Reggie and USC did.:foottap:

And yeah, the whole Cult of JoePa thing is getting very creepy.
 
Did anyone see Matt Millen on ESPN earlier? If you didn't just go to Twitter and type his name and you'll see the reaction. His reaction is what disturbs me so much about all of this. These people can't rationally think about what happened without defending Paterno, like somehow it wasn't that bad and that everyone makes mistakes. It's unreal. His statements today made his tenure as Lions GM seem successful.



Was that who was on Mike and Mike around 8:30 this morning? There was a Penn St football alum on talking about how great Joe was and how all of this just doesnt make sense because Joe was so "by the rules" it was and is still sick
 
Did anyone see Matt Millen on ESPN earlier? If you didn't just go to Twitter and type his name and you'll see the reaction. His reaction is what disturbs me so much about all of this. These people can't rationally think about what happened without defending Paterno, like somehow it wasn't that bad and that everyone makes mistakes. It's unreal. His statements today made his tenure as Lions GM seem successful.

"Matt Millen. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul."
 
Did anyone see Matt Millen on ESPN earlier? If you didn't just go to Twitter and type his name and you'll see the reaction. His reaction is what disturbs me so much about all of this. These people can't rationally think about what happened without defending Paterno, like somehow it wasn't that bad and that everyone makes mistakes. It's unreal. His statements today made his tenure as Lions GM seem successful.

He's getting ripped about his reaction now.

This guy rants on Millen (deservedly so, imo):

ESPN Trots Out Matt Millen To Fumble His Way Through The Freeh Report

The Detroit Free Press, obviously in tune with Millen like we are about Casserly, looks to be trying to get him fired from ESPN:

Matt Millen ripped for his take on Penn State report

What an idiotic decision by ESPN to put Millen out there, because the guy lacks any sense of objectivity due to his obvious man-crush on Paterno.


PSU is looking at the death penalty.

Of course I bet they still get off lighter than Reggie and USC did.:foottap:

And yeah, the whole Cult of JoePa thing is getting very creepy.

You got that right. It's almost like the Moonies or something, completely unable to comprehend reality outside of the bubble.

At some point they have to figure out that there is absolutely nothing about their precious school that is more important than this story and ensuing cover-up for so many years.
 
My best "tweet" of the day on Travis Rodger's show (which he didn't give me credit for) was something like this:


[paraphrased]
It's a good thing this didn't happen in Texas because JoePa's body would be exhumed so that the state could execute him.....
 
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Was that who was on Mike and Mike around 8:30 this morning? There was a Penn St football alum on talking about how great Joe was and how all of this just doesnt make sense because Joe was so "by the rules" it was and is still sick

It was on TV(ESPN) when the report first came out. He was one of the first people they trotted out. No sense of reality. I blame ESPN as much as him because they knew he would have no impartiality.

He's getting ripped about his reaction now.

This guy rants on Millen (deservedly so, imo):

ESPN Trots Out Matt Millen To Fumble His Way Through The Freeh Report

The Detroit Free Press, obviously in tune with Millen like we are about Casserly, looks to be trying to get him fired from ESPN:

Matt Millen ripped for his take on Penn State report

What an idiotic decision by ESPN to put Millen out there, because the guy lacks any sense of objectivity due to his obvious man-crush on Paterno.



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Agree with everything here. I had seen the deadspin article but not the other one. Thanks!Millen has no business commenting on this or anything GM related.
 
Penn St. should never be allowed to field a football team again. Death penalty of the highest order. Lay waste to the stadium, the lockerrooms, the offices, the statues, the record books, all of it. Anything that Paterno built, destroy it so that Paterno's family, Penn St. or anyone else even remotely involved won't see another dime from it. Football may only be revenue to schools, it may only be a job to some but to us....football is sacred. The gridirons are hallowed grounds, where our gladiators rumble, the spirit of competition is embraced and all else is forgotten for an afternoon. These people have bastardized all of it beyond what words can describe. All they've done is remind us that there is no depth too low, no pit too black, no evil too despicable to commit.
 
"I enjoy young people"

Those words still make me shudder. I couldn't imagine having my favorite program be attached at the hip to some scum like Sandusky, including the cover-up administration in addition to Paterno. The arrogance and

For someone like Paterno (who everyone suggests always did the right thing, and is nothing but a good person) to turn a blind eye to child abuse to protect a freaking brand is astounding. It really makes you wonder if ANYONE'S honor and integrity can be compromised if the price is high enough.

I think Penn State Football AT LEAST should get the death penalty. But I fear they will weasel out of it somehow. I am sure Penn State alumni include some powerful people. And we all know that when it comes down to it, money talks and abused children walk.
 
Penn St. should never be allowed to field a football team again. Death penalty of the highest order. Lay waste to the stadium, the lockerrooms, the offices, the statues, the record books, all of it. Anything that Paterno built, destroy it so that Paterno's family, Penn St. or anyone else even remotely involved won't see another dime from it. Football may only be revenue to schools, it may only be a job to some but to us....football is sacred. The gridirons are hallowed grounds, where our gladiators rumble, the spirit of competition is embraced and all else is forgotten for an afternoon. These people have bastardized all of it beyond what words can describe. All they've done is remind us that there is no depth too low, no pit too black, no evil too despicable to commit.

"hallowed grounds", "gladiators". Get a life. It's a game.
 
I wonder if Paterno being Catholic had anything to do with his attitude about child molestation.

Since his church has covered for priests for years, maybe he just thought that was the appropriate way to handle it.
 
I've come to the conclusion that the remaining culprits should have two choices .

1. Give PSU the death penalty

2. PSU gets to keep football and y'all get 20 years in prison
 
I wonder if Paterno being Catholic had anything to do with his attitude about child molestation.

Since his church has covered for priests for years, maybe he just thought that was the appropriate way to handle it.

I hope that was a joke, because it was a pretty lame comment otherwise.
 
I hope that was a joke, because it was a pretty lame comment otherwise.

I realize that comment may have been offensive to Catholics on the board, but I think it is a consideration.

I actually do wonder if that had a bearing on his behavior. Maybe not, maybe it was pure unchecked ego that made Paterno willing to cover up child molestation rather than tarnish the Penn State program. But I see some parallels in motive between the church covering for priests and Paterno covering for Sandusky.
 

"It can certainly be asserted that Joe Paterno could have done more. He acknowledged this himself last fall," the family statement said. "But to claim that he knowingly, intentionally protected a pedophile is false."
If you report a crime to your superiors -- instead of the proper authoririties -- and nothing is done about it ...

And you, in turn, do nothing further to make the police aware of the crime .....

You are concealing the crime & protecting the criminal & potentially creating new victims.

It's not just football ... it's a big money-maker for the school. Hence the cover-up.
 
I wonder if Paterno being Catholic had anything to do with his attitude about child molestation.

Since his church has covered for priests for years, maybe he just thought that was the appropriate way to handle it.

Yeah... the prison priests fight over who gets to hear Sandusky's weekly confession.

:lion:
 
University: Paterno statue to be removed
By the CNN Wire Staff
updated 8:25 AM EDT, Sun July 22, 2012

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(CNN) -- The statue of the late Penn State football coach Joe Paterno outside the campus' football stadium will be removed, the university's president said Sunday.

The tribute to Paterno had become an object of contention after the child rape scandal involving former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.

Paterno's statue and legacy came under fire after the release of the Freeh Report, the scathing investigation led by former FBI Director Louis Freeh.

Penn State board member resigns over Sandusky scandal

The report found several Penn State officials concealed evidence that Sandusky had sexually abused minors. Freeh concluded that Paterno could have prevented further sexual abuse had he taken action. Sandusky was convicted of 45 counts of child sexual abuse involving 10 victims.

"I now believe that, contrary to its original intention, coach Paterno's statue has become a source of division and an obstacle to healing in our university and beyond," University President Rodney Erickson said in a statement.

The 900-pound bronze statue, outside Beaver Stadium, will be stored in a "secure location."

NCAA not ruling out tough sanctions on Penn State football

"I believe that, were it to remain, the statue will be a recurring wound to the multitude of individuals across the nation and beyond who have been the victims of child abuse," he added.

On Sunday, Penn State employees began placing fencing around the statue, as well as a tarp. Local and university police were at the scene, and some students have gathered near the stadium.

Another tribute to Paterno -- the university library that bears his name -- will remain as it is, Erickson said.

"The library remains a tribute to Joe and Sue Paterno's commitment to Penn State's student body and academic success, and it highlights the positive impacts coach Paterno had on the university," he wrote.

As of this post, CNN and Fox News is reporting the the statue has been removed.
 
Right move to remove the statue, I can't believe he still has blind loyalty by some at this point. Sad case all the way around, but especially for the victims who could've been sparred if those in charge would've acted like they should have.
 
NCAA is supposed to deliver the death penalty today:

I disagree with this for a couple reasons, now don't shoot me cause what happened at Penn State is completely wrong and inexcusable. The people that are responsible this should be punished not the 1000's of students that will be impacted by the loss of revenue.

School should have to setup a fund that half it's revenue ever year go to for the next 10-15 years to sponsor kids of abuse. This would allow the current students to continue their tradition which has nothing to do with the cover up. I feel it's wrong to cover penalize 1000's of student for the decisions of the ones involved in the cover up.

Everyone of them should be in jail.
 
Per ESPN front page it says "unprecedented" sanctions will be delivered monday.

I am sure the death penalty will be a possibility, I have a feeling though they will do everything short of it sadly.

I think the death penalty would be good for both sides in moving forward.
 
Someone suggested making their football program non-scholarship for 4 years.
That would be as effective as the the death penalty but could be applied since the death penalty requires the program to already been under restrictions or on probation
 
Some are saying worse than death penalty.

I just watched the live video feed from the NCAA.

Highlights of the sanctions.

* $60 million dollar fine
* No Bowl games or post-season for 4 years
* Vacate all victories from 1998 - 2011.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...million-fine-4-year-bowl-ban-wins-dating-1998

I would have to disagree. No bowl games sucks, but they will still continue to recruit and field a good team. Just look at USC. They had a 2 year bowl ban and are still kicking ass as a football team. Hell, their QB is a potential #1 overall pick in the NFL draft next year.

Death penalty forces a school to start a team again from scratch. So is it harsh? Yes. Worse than the death penalty? No.
 
Bobby Bowden is now the all-time winningest coach in NCAA history. All of Paterno's wins from '98 on are all now vacated.
 
PSU just became Austin Community College

Students can transfer with no penalty, loss of 10 scholarships, $60 million fine, all wins 1998-2011 vacated and more.
 
PSU just became Austin Community College

Students can transfer with no penalty, loss of 10 scholarships, $60 million fine, all wins 1998-2011 vacated and more.


They should be forced to pay for student transfers and any losses those students may have incurred having/wanting to do so.
 
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