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Pac-10 might ask Texas and five other Big 12 schools to join

b0ng said:
Apparently UofH is trying like hell to use this re-alignment to get the fudge out of C-USA. God I really hope this happens. I would take UofH in the MWC or even the re-formed BigXII (Although I think it's just going to go belly up completely), and my wet dream would be the SEC.
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UH doesn't offer anything though. They've been good at football recently but they still don't draw anybody. Tom Penders took UH out of the gutter in basketball but that's about it. They don't draw anybody to the games either. I don't see how any conference would have much interest in them. Same for almost all of the programs in CUSA.

I'm hoping CUSA can somehow add Kansas, Kansas State, and/or one or two other teams that are left out from the Big 12 breaking up.
 
TexanSam said:
UH doesn't offer anything though. They've been good at football recently but they still don't draw anybody. Tom Penders took UH out of the gutter in basketball but that's about it. They don't draw anybody to the games either. I don't see how any conference would have much interest in them. Same for almost all of the programs in CUSA.

I'm hoping CUSA can somehow add Kansas, Kansas State, and/or one or two other teams that are left out from the Big 12 breaking up.
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It's the city of Houston that any prospective conference would want, plus they are gearing up to build a new stadium over Robertson and they want to spend 40 million to refurb Hoffeinz.

Especially if UH is the only Texas school added whichever conference will also get to raid Texas for recruits. It's not all about the competition they would add in Football and Hoops.

Remember, Houston is a city of 2.2 million people and a ton of blue chippers come from here.
 
I love college football but I don't get all this realignment of conferences.

The only thing wrong with the game is the lack of a playoff system.
 
WWJD said:
I love college football but I don't get all this realignment of conferences.

The only thing wrong with the game is the lack of a playoff system.
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Maybe they are just backing into it. All they have to do is just keep merging conferences together until you have all the legitimate teams in one conference, and then have a conference playoff series. After that, everyone would still go to a bowl game. More money, more money, more money.

Just a thought.
 
MojoMan said:
Nobody is discussing Baylor.

Anyone have any prognostications about where the Bears end up?
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My guess is that they try to stay with the Big XII if they don't dissolve the conference. If they do, then I see some C-USA in their future.
 
b0ng said:
It's the city of Houston that any prospective conference would want, plus they are gearing up to build a new stadium over Robertson and they want to spend 40 million to refurb Hoffeinz.

Especially if UH is the only Texas school added whichever conference will also get to raid Texas for recruits. It's not all about the competition they would add in Football and Hoops.

Remember, Houston is a city of 2.2 million people and a ton of blue chippers come from here.
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but the houston market is owned by UT and A&M. UH is insignificant bro. who grows up wanting to play for UH? are you an alumni?
 
MojoMan said:
Nobody is discussing Baylor.

Anyone have any prognostications about where the Bears end up?
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Could depend on what A&M does. If they head to the SEC, Kansas or Baylor could be that final team going with Texas, OU, etc. Though, who does the PAC_ want? Kansas or Baylor? Or maybe neither and say Utah? I read that the PAC_ doesnt really value or see anything in Baylor.

As for the future of Baylor, which seemed in doubt Thursday when Colorado accepted the Pac-10's invitation to join, the official said the Bears could still end up in the Pac-10.

It all depends on A&M, the official said.

''If A&M doesn't go, Baylor's got a window to go," the official said. "(Texas, Texas A&M and Texas Tech) -- none of them have anything against Baylor. We're not opposed to Baylor, and we've said positive things about them."

But, the official continued, "The schools on the West Coast just don't see the benefit of Baylor. The Pac-10 is talking more about Kansas and Utah because they bring different (television) markets. Baylor's been lobbying everybody around Texas. They need to be lobbying California."
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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...tories/061210dnospoaustinreport.92f8114a.html

If they don't go to the Pac_, not sure where Baylor and the remaining 5(?) teams go.
 
MojoMan said:
Hot off the presses from the Houston Chronicle. Texas, Tech, OU & OSU are purportedly on their way to the PAC 10. But A&M is not mentioned. Could the Aggies and the Longhorns be parting ways after all these years?

Texas, three others leaving Big 12 for Pacific-10

Two people with direct knowledge of the situation said Friday evening that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will join the Pacific-10 Conference, forming a south division with Colorado, Arizona and Arizona State.

The UT regents board is meeting Tuesday in Austin. Texas A&M is mulling the Pac-10 deal or joining the Southeastern Conference. The two insiders refuted a report that Texas A&M has a 72-hour deadline to make a commitment to the Pac 10.

Colorado departed the crumbling Big 12 on Thursday, and Nebraska followed Friday by committing to the Big Ten. In addition, the state’s House Committee on Higher Education will meet Wednesday morning “to discuss matters pertaining to higher education, including collegiate athletics.”

Both A&M insiders said they knew of no such deadline and that A&M would make a decision on what conference to be a part of after careful deliberation. A report on the Austin newspaper's Web site cited a “highly placed official from a Big 12 school” as claiming A&M has a 72-hour timetable.
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The bolded part of your article seems like it would constitute a mention of A&M.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
but the houston market is owned by UT and A&M. UH is insignificant bro. who grows up wanting to play for UH? are you an alumni?
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The only reason that UH doesn't control a majority of this market is because our football/basketball teams have basically stunk for awhile and are coming back up. Remember the interest that was sparked when UH beat up SMU and TTU? Yeah. The city would root for UH if it were able to compete. UH would be able to recruit if it was able to get on national TV all the time playing <insert conference with BCS auto-bid>. Recruits would come to UH over other colleges if they were going to get national exposure playing <insert conference with BCS auto bid>.

UH can bring plenty to the table, and the fact that people watch UT and TAMU more than UH is because UH football has been dookie up until recently. Trust me, there are plenty of conferences that would look at UH with an interesting eye.

And no, I'm not an alumni. Thanks for the condescending tone though, must feel nice.
 
MojoMan said:
Maybe they are just backing into it. All they have to do is just keep merging conferences together until you have all the legitimate teams in one conference, and then have a conference playoff series. After that, everyone would still go to a bowl game. More money, more money, more money.

Just a thought.
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All these teams changing has just turned my brain into mush regarding college ball. It's all really confusing to me at the moment. I need to watch ESPN (can't believe I said that) to see what exactly is going on here. You are right though..it's all about the money!
 
ChampionTexan said:
The bolded part of your article seems like it would constitute a mention of A&M.
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Well, you are right. I should have said that A&M was not mentioned as one of the teams going to the PAC 10. Of course, A&M still might go to the PAC 10 anyway. Or maybe they go to the SEC, as has been discussed throughout this thread. Personally, I think it would be very exciting for A&M to go to the SEC, from an A&M perspective.

In the interests of full disclosure, I am a graduate of the University of Texas.
 
http://collegesportsblog.dallasnews...sources-texas-tech-oklahoma-osu-to-pac-1.html

Get ready for the Pac-16, with at least four transplanted Big 12 South teams, led by Texas, multiple sources confirmed Friday.

Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott, fresh from welcoming Colorado to the conference Friday, was flying to the states of Texas and Oklahoma with invitations to the nation's first mega-conference, a source familiar with the scenario said.


Joining the Longhorns would be Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma. Texas A&M could be the fifth team, but the Aggies remain undecided, torn between seeking a bid to the Southeastern Conference and joining their South rivals in the expanded Pac-10.

With the Texas board of regents scheduled to meet Tuesday to address college realignment issues (accept the Pac-10 bid), the Aggies might have little time to sort out the inner conflict. A source familiar with the scenarios said Pac-10 would quickly move to invite Kansas, with its proud basketball program and proximity to the Kansas City market.

A&M, without a clear invitation to the Southeastern Conference, would be gambling on SEC membership or else being left with four other schools in the Big 12.
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Conflicting reports out there about whether A&M has an invitation or not.

Edit: kbohls

SEC school source tells me that "A&M is a school worth getting" and could be only school offered. "No nice, neat package sitting out there."
 
WWJD said:
All these teams changing has just turned my brain into mush regarding college ball. It's all really confusing to me at the moment. I need to watch ESPN (can't believe I said that) to see what exactly is going on here. You are right though..it's all about the money!
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Here's the 10 cent version:

The old Big 12 is now the new Big 10 with the confirmed loss of Nebraska and Colorado.

The old Big 10 is now the new Big 12 with the addition of Nebraska (and the actual acknowledgment that they've had 11 teams since Penn State joined something like 20 years ago).

Colorado has officially been added to the PAC 10 (New name undisclosed at this point).

It seems clear that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will be invited to join the PAC 10 (see previous disclaimer on new name), and all four will accept that invite.

A&M apparently will have the opportunity to either follow the aforementioned four (well, five if you count Colorado) to the PAC 10 (and I'm not going to tell you again they don't have a new name), or go east and join the SEC. There will very likely be a finalization of this cliff-hanger by the end of next week.

Boise State has accepted a bid to join the Mountain West Conference (who has wisely chosen to omit any reference to numbers from it's name).
 
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rmartin65 said:
If that happens, the PAC 10 needs another team. That is a 15 team league, making the divisions unbalanced. They need another "south" team.

South is in quotes, because it is really a west division.
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Perhaps the PAC 10 decides to try something new and goes with three divisions of five teams each. That is still more teams than in the AFC South. It would make a conference playoff difficult, if not highly unlikely. But the PAC 10 does not currently have one of those anyway, so that would not require any changes.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Here's the 10 cent version:

The old Big 12 is now the new Big 10 with the confirmed loss of Nebraska and Colorado.

The old Big 10 is now the new Big 12 with the addition of Nebraska (and the actual acknowledgment that they've had 11 teams since Penn State joined something like 20 years ago).

Colorado has officially been added to the PAC 10 (New name undisclosed at this point).

It seems clear that Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State will be invited to join the PAC 10 (see previous disclaimer on new name), and all four will accept that invite.

A&M apparently will have the opportunity to either follow the aforementioned four (well, five if you count Colorado) to the PAC 10 (and I'm not going to tell you again they don't have a new name), or go east and join the SEC. There will very likely be a finalization of this cliff-hanger by the end of next week.

Boise State has accepted a bid to join the Mountain West Conference (who has wisely chosen to omit any reference to numbers from it's name).
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Gotcha...I owe you a dime. :)
 
Here is a selective quote from a new article at ESPN

UT, 3 others poised for Pac-10

Another source with knowledge of the situation confirmed to ESPN.com's Andy Katz that Texas A&M was looking at the SEC, but the source said he is convinced the Aggies will end up in the Pac-10.

The source said the SEC consideration was fueled by "ego purposes" within Texas A&M, that the Aggies' power brokers sought distance from the Texas decision and didn't want to convey the appearance they were doing everything because of Texas.

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe said Friday he is still working to convince the remaining 10 members to stay put.
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And that would make 16 teams.
 
Couldn't we realign the confrences based on geography? Kind of weird to see Texas and or Oklahoma in the Pac-10. If they have to move then the Big 10 would make much more sense.

With regards to recruiting in Texas, UT has a hold on this state but if TTU does well under Tuberville and UT joins the Big 10, Michigan might grab some of them Texas recruits.

After all, we know how good Texas boys are at football than the other states such as Florida, Cal, and Ohio.
 
Texan4Ever said:
Couldn't we realign the confrences based on geography? Kind of weird to see Texas and or Oklahoma in the Pac-10. If they have to move then the Big 10 would make much more sense.

With regards to recruiting in Texas, UT has a hold on this state but if TTU does well under Tuberville and UT joins the Big 10, Michigan might grab some of them Texas recruits.

After all, we know how good Texas boys are at football than the other states such as Florida, Cal, and Ohio.
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Personally, I think there should be 4 major conferences. NE, SE, Mid, WC.

Put the ACC and Big East in the NE

The SEC & CUSA in the S

Big XII and Big X in the Mid

Pac 10 & MCW in the WC...

just my speculatin'
 
JB said:
Personally, I think there should be 4 major conferences. NE, SE, Mid, WC.

Put the ACC and Big East in the NE

The SEC & CUSA in the S

Big XII and Big X in the Mid

Pac 10 & MCW in the WC...

just my speculatin'
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I like it. It makes the most sense, but that is why it will never happen.
 
JB said:
Personally, I think there should be 4 major conferences. NE, SE, Mid, WC.

Put the ACC and Big East in the NE

The SEC & CUSA in the S

Big XII and Big X in the Mid

Pac 10 & MCW in the WC...

just my speculatin'
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That's incredibly unfair to the Big XII and Big X. The ACC and Big East are the two weakest of the 6 BCS conferences already. Combining them makes 1 weak region. CUSA is not at the BCS level, so combining them with the SEC pretty much gives the SEC schools their cupcake games. MWC is also not a BCS program, even with the addition of Boise State. So that leaves the Big XII arguably the #1 or #2 BCS conference joining with the Big X which was the #3 or #4?! Thats incredibly unfair.
 
awtysst said:
Well hold on there. Remember that a team has 12 games a season. If the pac 10 goes to 16 that means 8 per division. So 7 games right away are against the others in the division. Now, there likely will be 2 games against the other division, so thats 9. The remaining three will be non conference games.

In those Non conference games, would UT really want to schedule OU(if they were not in the same division) or would they prefer the Louisiana-Lafayettes of the world?
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Would a four region scenario work?

West Region:
1. USC
2. Cal
3. UCLA
4. Stanford

Northwest:
1. Oregon
2. Oregon St.
3. Washington
4. Washington St.

Southwest:
1. Arizona
2. Arizona St.
3. Colorado
4. TTU

East:
1. UT
2. TAMU (IF they were to join)
3. OU
4. OSU

10 games are regular. Game 11 is semi-finals with Southwest champ vs. East champ and the West champ vs. Northwest champ. Game 12 is the finals.

I don't know if that means 2 bye weeks to make this work?

It would make each region's teams face true geographical rivals.
 
GP said:
Would a four region scenario work?

West Region:
1. USC
2. Cal
3. UCLA
4. Stanford

Northwest:
1. Oregon
2. Oregon St.
3. Washington
4. Washington St.

Southwest:
1. Arizona
2. Arizona St.
3. Colorado
4. TTU

East:
1. UT
2. TAMU (IF they were to join)
3. OU
4. OSU

10 games are regular. Game 11 is semi-finals with Southwest champ vs. East champ and the West champ vs. Northwest champ. Game 12 is the finals.

I don't know if that means 2 bye weeks to make this work?

It would make each region's teams face true geographical rivals.
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That would make the most sense but the NCAA would probably have to change the rule which makes every team play 12 games. Would make bowl eligibility weird in some instances too
 
GP said:
Would a four region scenario work?

West Region:
1. USC
2. Cal
3. UCLA
4. Stanford

Northwest:
1. Oregon
2. Oregon St.
3. Washington
4. Washington St.

Southwest:
1. Arizona
2. Arizona St.
3. Colorado
4. TTU

East:
1. UT
2. TAMU (IF they were to join)
3. OU
4. OSU

10 games are regular. Game 11 is semi-finals with Southwest champ vs. East champ and the West champ vs. Northwest champ. Game 12 is the finals.

I don't know if that means 2 bye weeks to make this work?

It would make each region's teams face true geographical rivals.
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Here is what I said in post #52 in this thread
awtysst said:
If the Pac 10 goes ahead and invites and gets the Big XII schools it would go to 16 teams. Now, instead of doing 2 8 team divisions, how about 4, 4 team divisions.

For example:
Division A: Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Colorado
Division B: Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Arizona, Arizona State
Division C: USC, UCLA, California, and Stanford
Division D: Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State

Each team wold play all three of its opponents in its division each year. They would then play 2 teams from each division and this would be on a rotational basis. Thats 9 games. The other 3 games can be out of conference games to schedule in some interesting matchups or cupcakes.

Each team has a natural rival except Colorado and Texas Tech. Colorado can develop one with tech or continue to play CSU every year. This would be a very fair way to break the 16 teams.

What do yall think?
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I think your arrangement is better, actually.

I had OU and UT in the same region, and that just isn't going to fly. That's going to eliminate one of the top-two revenue generating teams almost immediately because only one can progress into a Pac-10 championship game if our plan of four regions were to exist.

Your idea puts OU and UT in their own regions. I actually think Colorado and TTU could have a good rivalry. Heck, I think they have had some pretty good back-and-forth games against one another recently.

I like it. Let's do it. (LOL)
 
GP said:
I think your arrangement is better, actually.

I had OU and UT in the same region, and that just isn't going to fly. That's going to eliminate one of the top-two revenue generating teams almost immediately because only one can progress into a Pac-10 championship game if our plan of four regions were to exist.

Your idea puts OU and UT in their own regions. I actually think Colorado and TTU could have a good rivalry. Heck, I think they have had some pretty good back-and-forth games against one another recently.

I like it. Let's do it. (LOL)
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Thanks!
I had not actually considered the 4 region playoff, but I like it. So lets say at the end of the season there is a 2 game playoff. At the end of the regular season the 4 teams tht lead their region are ranked in BCS order. On Friday #1 plays #4 and #2 plays #3. THE NEXT DAY on Saturday, the winners face off for ALL the marbles!
 
OU and UT will play each other every year no matter what happens. If they are in their own pods, there will have to be something written into the conference bylaws that let the two teams play each other in the Red River Shootout. That isn't going away.
 
JB said:
Personally, I think there should be 4 major conferences. NE, SE, Mid, WC.

Put the ACC and Big East in the NE

The SEC & CUSA in the S

Big XII and Big X in the Mid

Pac 10 & MCW in the WC...

just my speculatin'
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Now if you had said regions and had it set up like college basketball in a bracket system I could agree.

I don't like fewer conferences. It consolidates power unevenly. Well, more so than it already is.
 
Dan B. said:
OU and UT will play each other every year no matter what happens. If they are in their own pods, there will have to be something written into the conference bylaws that let the two teams play each other in the Red River Shootout. That isn't going away.
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No, that would never happen. Just like regardless of the fact that Florida State is in the ACC, they play Florida every year. Some rivalries just must continue.

If they based everything off of pure geography the south would destory all other conferences IMO. You've got Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami, South Florida, Clemson, etc all joining an SEC conference. I don't see any other region competing with a conference like that at this point.

The Pac-10 with Texas, TT, Oklahoma, and OSU might be able to compete with the current SEC though. That conference looks to be stacked. If I was the SEC I would look to add 2 top programs from the South, like Georgia Tech, Florida State, Miami, or Clemson, to the conference to add a little bit of strength to what is already there.
 
Whatever happens, happens. 99% of the people "reporting" are just making some crap up with their "well-placed" sources and putting it on the internet so they can increase their page hits.

Bottom line is we're not gonna know what happens until it happens.
 
MojoMan said:
Here is a selective quote from a new article at ESPN



And that would make 16 teams.
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THat goes against everything that is being said in the A&M circles. A&M is a better fit in the SEC than the PAC 10and the SEC would take without Big XII teams.

Texas is trying to pressure A&M to do what they want, but A&M is holding firm and won't rush a decision just because they say so. Texas is going to pick their destination on Tuesday and A&M will make theirs after, probably Wed or Thursday. Any "deadline" is imposed by Texas, not the PAC 10. A&M may end up in the PAC 10, but I'm about 80% sure it's the SEC.
 
Stemp said:
THat goes against everything that is being said in the A&M circles. A&M is a better fit in the SEC than the PAC 10and the SEC would take without Big XII teams.

Texas is trying to pressure A&M to do what they want, but A&M is holding firm and won't rush a decision just because they say so. Texas is going to pick their destination on Tuesday and A&M will make theirs after, probably Wed or Thursday. Any "deadline" is imposed by Texas, not the PAC 10. A&M may end up in the PAC 10, but I'm about 80% sure it's the SEC.
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I'm still gonna be surprised if A&M doesn't follow the other 5 Big 12 schools to the Pac 10. I think there's gonna be political pressure for A&M and Texas to stay together, and I think after a few days, they'll announce their going West and not East.

Just a little gut feel, and a little speculation (and nothing more than that) about what's going on in the smoke filled rooms.
 
AD says Texas still looking at 'all options'

AUSTIN, Texas – Texas is still "looking at all options" before deciding whether to stay in the crumbling Big 12 or move to another league, athletic director DeLoss Dodds said Saturday.

Dodds spoke outside of his stadium suite before Saturday's Texas-TCU baseball game, but declined further comment on what those options are.

Dodds has said he wants to keep the Big 12 together. The Longhorns are considered the key to the league's survival, particularly after it lost Nebraska (Big Ten) and Colorado (Pac-10) in a matter of two days this week.

The Texas regents have scheduled a meeting Tuesday for "discussion and appropriate action regarding athletic conference membership."

An official at a Big 12 school with knowledge of the talks confirmed that Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott was traveling to Texas and Oklahoma this weekend to present a case for Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State to join the Pac-10.

The official requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly on the discussions.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/fbc_big12_texas
 
SEC Commissioner Slive in College Station

Via Billy Liucci’s twitter: “Latest in A&M’s SEC/Pac-10 decision: SEC commissioner Mike Slive in College Station today&#8230;more to come.”

If the report is accurate, this is a major development. Slive’s visit would tend to indicate intense discussions with a high chance of consummating a deal.

Will the Texas Longhorns be able to intimidate A&M? Or will the Aggies chart their own course?

Speculation will also turn to the next SEC expansion target.
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http://capstonereport.com/2010/06/12/breaking-mike-slive-in-college-station/6577/
 
pbat488 said:
SEC Commissioner Slive in College Station



http://capstonereport.com/2010/06/12/breaking-mike-slive-in-college-station/6577/
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Interesting turn of events. A&M very well might join the SEC and "chart their own course"

I just don't see how this benefits A&M more than it seems like a move to spite UT. Almost a move that cuts their nose off to spite their face. They really want to try and recruit against LSU, Alabama, Florida, Auburn, Georgia and Ole Miss? Eventually I think Tennessee will get back on track as well.

Looks like another interesting turn:
http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5279963
 
I'm under the impression that people who think A&M going without Texas would hurt them are a little short-sighted. I'm not saying A&M is some sort of superpower, or that they are a guarantee to return to power, but if they do, doing it in the SEC is way more beneficial if the SEC is still the same general landscape as it is now (2 or 3 really really good football programs lurking about).

Plus, culturally, I don't see how you can think that A&M would fit in better with the west coast as it would with the rest of the south east.
 
http://twitter.com/chipbrownob
Texas A&M regents have the votes to join the SEC and could announce that move as early as next week, sources tell Orangebloods.com
about 3 hours ago via TweetDeck
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This Chip guy has been fairly accurate so far, and if A&M does go to the SEC I'm pretty sure that means UT, OU and the others will be headed to the PAC. Only question left is do the PAC grab Utah or KU? I'm hoping for the latter.
 
http://msn.foxsports.com/cfb/story/...rence-$10M-to-add-Memphis,-report-says-061210

FedEx would pay conference $10M to add Memphis, report says

FedEx reportedly is prepared to deliver big bucks to any BCS conference willing to add the University of Memphis.

FedEx’s chief executive, Fred Smith, has told conferences his company would pay one of them up to $10 million a year if they invite Memphis, CBSSports.com reported Saturday.

An anonymous source described as close to the Memphis athletic program told CBSSports.com: "It could be $10 million every year for a conference to use however it sees fit. When you think of the big picture, it could be the equivalent of a five-year, $50 million contract or a 10-year, $100-million contract. Fred is talking about a massive amount of money."

FedEx is based in Memphis. Cannon Smith, son of the company’s CEO, is a quarterback for Memphis. He sat out last season after transferring from Miami.

FedEx recently severed its ties after 21 years as a sponsor of the Orange Bowl. That could have freed up the money FedEx is talking about spending as an incentive to get a BCS conference to take Memphis, a source told CBSSports.com.

Memphis is a member of Conference USA. Last season, the Tigers went 2-10 and finished at the bottom of Conference USA’s East Division.
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