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Pac-10 might ask Texas and five other Big 12 schools to join

Goldensilence said:
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5265631



I've maintained this the entire time. Nebraska might want to leave, but I really just don't see how they fit in the Big X's expansion plan other than just getting the conference to X number for a championship game.

Mizzou fits the bill for the Big X, but again there's nothing official on the table for them either.

Geographically the expansion of the PAC 10 just doesn't make sense. That could amount to some serious travel costs for all schools involved.

The PAC 10 would have to make a big contract renegotiation on their TV deal to make it worth it or promise to make a network ala Big X.

Big 12's contract with Fox Sports goes up next year as well so they'll be able to renegotiate that one.

One thing seems pretty certain if the Big 12 does survive this, they're going to have to realign the conferences.
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I hope they do move to the Big 10, and that ND joins them. Then I want to see UT, A&M, OU, OSU, Tech and CU move to the Pac-10. Then the others can fall whereever they may, but I think that would work out well for the moving schools.
 
Dutchrudder said:
I hope they do move to the Big 10, and that ND joins them. Then I want to see UT, A&M, OU, OSU, Tech and CU move to the Pac-10. Then the others can fall whereever they may, but I think that would work out well for the moving schools.
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I just can't get excited by the idea of expanding the Big X beyond one team to make it to 12 and then getting an over bloated Pac-10.

It makes for less conferences and I forsee a bunch of scenarios where you have a bunch of one loss teams trying to make their case for the title game or a BCS bid. Hell or even a year or two ago where the BCS ranking decided who won the South of the Big XII.
 
The plot thickens (reportedly)...

Nebraska apparently has its Big Ten golden ticket now, if you believe Fox Sports Ohio. The cable TV channel reports that Nebraska to the Big 12 could be a done deal by Friday. One high-level Big 12 source pronounced that Nebraska to the Big Ten is a done deal. Another cautioned that Nebraska could still be negotiating a timetable for its full share of the Big Ten revenue pie, estimated at $20 million. Everybody said the Cornhuskers were the key to holding the conference together? If they announced they're gone by the end of the week, what next?
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One thing to, as a side note. What happens to Jerry's World (in regards to college football) since it is set to host the Big 12 Championship game for some years to come now? If the whole Pac-10 thing goes through and since they play a round robin schedule, for now anyway, and have no championship game to call their own. You think that the Pac-10 will have to institute a Championship Game with the addition of the new teams (if it happens)?
 
In response to some articles I have read, why does Nebraska resent Texas? Some say it is a deciding factor in them wanting to join the Big Ten.

Or is it all about money?
 
Nebraska joins the Big 10. From the Houston Chronicle:

Big 12 in limbo as Nebraska joins Big Ten
Texas, Texas A&M prepare to meet to discuss plans

Nebraska has accepted an invitation to join the Big Ten and will announce its intentions on Friday, two people with knowledge of the situation said Wednesday.

Reports had surfaced out of Ohio, Nebraska and Texas on Wednesday claiming Nebraska was preparing to accept an invite from the Big Ten.

Nebraska, a Big 12 power, was considered vital to keeping the league together, but it now appears the 14-year-old conference will dissolve with the Cornhuskers’ impending departure. Nebraska’s announcement was pushed forward because of the Big 12’s two-week ultimatum given a week ago demanding a commitment from its members, the source said.

Also, as the Big 12 splits up, Texas and Texas A&M haven’t ruled out becoming members of the Southeastern Conference, the source said. UT officials confirmed Wednesday there is a meeting scheduled between A&M and UT on Thursday to discuss their courses of action. That could include pushing for Baylor to be a part of the Pac-10.

Whether Notre Dame decides to join the 11-member Big Ten will have no bearing on Nebraska becoming the league’s 12th member, the source said.

Also, Colorado is preparing to announce that it will join the Pacific 10, the source said, as a preemptive strike to Baylor making a push through Texas lawmakers to join the other five Big 12 South schools in forming a Pac-10 south division, along with Arizona and Arizona State.

With Nebraska’s announcement scheduled for Friday, the remaining Big 12 members will then have time to sort out where they’re headed, with a south division of the Pac-10 consisting of UT, A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado a very real possibility.
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if the pac 10 is smart they will invite baylor over colorado to speed things up, i thing the big ten will further expand if the sixteen pac is born
 
If they do go forward with this expansion of the Pac 10 and the Big 10, it will be interesting to see how it affects the BCS.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
if the pac 10 is smart they will invite baylor over colorado to speed things up, i thing the big ten will further expand if the sixteen pac is born
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My guess is Baylor gets assed out and I am perfectly fine with that. Baylor doesn't bring any kind of new market like Colorado does.
 
This is not the death of the Big 12. Yet. They can bring someone new in, and maybe re-align the conference, so long as the Pac-10 or the Big 10 dont move in more.

By the way, the Big 10 now has 12 schools, while the Big 12 has 11. Can the colleges count anymore? (your bad joke of the day)
 
ATXtexanfan said:
4 super conferences with championship games would create a final four
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Not really unless they were willing to turn it into a playoff system of sorts. Which might be a possibility, because from my understanding the BIG XII was opposed to a plus one system.

If both conferences become bloated 16 team ones I expect, if they stay with the BCS system, even more problems when you get a ton of 1 loss teams that have a legit argument to make a BCS game or the title game.

Really I'd rather not see the Big XII break up and it's not a done deal yet. It will be interesting to see if Mizzou jumps the boat as well.

I think it would be interesting to see the BIG XII go after Arkansas and TCU.
 
Goldensilence said:
Not really unless they were willing to turn it into a playoff system of sorts. Which might be a possibility, because from my understanding the BIG XII was opposed to a plus one system.

If both conferences become bloated 16 team ones I expect, if they stay with the BCS system, even more problems when you get a ton of 1 loss teams that have a legit argument to make a BCS game or the title game.

Really I'd rather not see the Big XII break up.
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this final four would give birth to the "plus one". i wonder how much political pull baylor has now. colorado is a mess, they couldn't even buy out their coaches contract, how much did ND pay weiss to leave?
 
ATXtexanfan said:
this final four would give birth to the "plus one". i wonder how much political pull baylor has now. colorado is a mess, they couldn't even buy out their coaches contract, how much did ND pay weiss to leave?
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Again not exactly a final four and a "plus one".

I can still forsee situations like a couple of years ago with TT, UT, and OU having the same record and a round robin of loses only to be decided by effin BCS numbers.
 
Goldensilence said:
Again not exactly a final four and a "plus one".

I can still forsee situations like a couple of years ago with TT, UT, and OU having the same record and a round robin of loses only to be decided by effin BCS numbers.
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not with zona and ASU in the mix. j/k, a true playoff will never happen and a plus one is best solution.
 
Goldensilence said:
Problem becomes how you execute a plus one?

Winner of the Rose Bowl and Fiesta Bowl? Orange and Sugar? or a mix and match?
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Bowls are on a rotation. You have #1 play # 4, #2 play #3, and the winners meet.
 
Wow just wow. I guess I dont understand why the Big 12 can reload. Why is everyone talking like the Big 12 is dead? Bring in TCU. Bring in Utah. Bring in whomever.
 
Super Mario said:
Wow just wow. I guess I dont understand why the Big 12 can reload. Why is everyone talking like the Big 12 is dead? Bring in TCU. Bring in Utah. Bring in whomever.
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Totally agree. If Nebraska wants to leave? Fine, see ya! Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

Missouri? Even double. Bring in the top two colleges of choice. I like TCU, and Maybe Arkansas. They may look at BYU. Don't know if Boise State is strong enough in other sports (read overall monies) to be enticing.
 
Even though people seem very short memoried here there is no way BYU, TCU, Air Force, or Arkansas would be able to replace the number of eyes on TV's that Nebraska brings. Add in the fact that the lure of the Big Ten is the Big Ten Network. There is no way Texas will be cool in losing out on tons of cash if the PAC 10 expands as well and gets a PAC10 network.

Basically if Nebraska does leave the BigXII is essentially dead as the PAC10 will extend their invitations and UT and company would be dumb not to jump in there.
 
b0ng said:
Even though people seem very short memoried here there is no way BYU, TCU, Air Force, or Arkansas would be able to replace the number of eyes on TV's that Nebraska brings. Add in the fact that the lure of the Big Ten is the Big Ten Network. There is no way Texas will be cool in losing out on tons of cash if the PAC 10 expands as well and gets a PAC10 network.

Basically if Nebraska does leave the BigXII is essentially dead as the PAC10 will extend their invitations and UT and company would be dumb not to jump in there.
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I guess I just don't understand what huge following Nebraska brings.
 
Well Baylor, it was fun while it lasted.

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JB said:
I guess I just don't understand what huge following Nebraska brings.
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Nebraska has sucked recently in football but they are still one of the most winningest CFB programs around and have a huge following with a boatload of alums. The Cornhuskers have basically been the only real competition in the north for the BigXII and them leaving turns that whole division into a joke.
 
JB said:
I guess I just don't understand what huge following Nebraska brings.
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Nebraska is basically what Alabama was before Saben....


They are a huge football program that has been dormant for over a decade, but they are on their way back and once they get back they'll be just as big as Texas, Alabama, Ohio State ect.....basically right there with any top football program.

Losing a team like Nebraska pretty much kills the conference, because now the only other major historical "elite" football program is Oklahoma. I mean there's A&M, but let's be honest here...they've been down for so long they aren't even that relevant as far as premiere football programs go.

It really does sound like the Big XII is dead.
 
If Texas A&M & Texas go to the SEC would the Pac-10 still send offers to the other four Big XII schools they're interested in?
 
They might but it wouldn't be nearly as mouth watering for them. Replacing TAMU and UT would be tough and they wouldn't want TTU by itself without UT and TAMU coming along.
 
JCTexan said:
If Texas A&M & Texas go to the SEC would the Pac-10 still send offers to the other four Big XII schools they're interested in?
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My guess is yes, because they'll still want to get to 12 or 14 for a title game.

Weird though that the SEC would make a play for A&M before UT.
 
All hail the most interesting CFB offseason in the last like 15 Years.

EDIT: If TAMU accepted the invite I doubt the S E C (stupid phone) would turn down UT if the Texas legislature tried to make it difficult.
 
JCTexan said:
If Texas A&M & Texas go to the SEC would the Pac-10 still send offers to the other four Big XII schools they're interested in?
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I don't see UT going to the SEC where there's more competition than they have an appetite for. On the other hand being in their own division of the
PAC16 with OK as the only real competition would suit their style better.
On another subject, don't get the Big 10 being more interested in the Cornhuskers than Mizzou ? They may have more of a football tradition than
Mizzou, but the Tigers have the population with good sized metro areas in
St.Louis & KC (which is where the TV markets are, and that's where the money is), while Nebraska is a very sparsely populated state with no major TV markets.
 
Nebraska has been mediocre because they can't get in the Partial Qualifiers like they used to.

As far as their following goes, yes they travel very well, but that support does not have scale when it comes to audience and demographics.

A&M is a great fit for the SEC, and would love to see them move on.

Texas as an independent has a nice ring to it.
 
IDEXAN said:
I don't see UT going to the SEC where there's more competition than they have an appetite for. On the other hand being in their own division of the
PAC16 with OK as the only real competition would suit their style better.
On another subject, don't get the Big 10 being more interested in the Cornhuskers than Mizzou ? They may have more of a football tradition than
Mizzou, but the Tigers have the population with good sized metro areas in
St.Louis & KC (which is where the TV markets are, and that's where the money is), while Nebraska is a very sparsely populated state with no major TV markets.
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Don't count Mizzou out of the Big 10 yet. There is mutual interest, and their invite might be contingent on getting another school to join so they can make and even 14. Nebraska is just the first mover.
 
My guess based on what I've read, is that NU, MU, ND, and either 'Cuse or Rutgers goes to the BIgX.
UT, TAMU, TTU, OU, OSU, and CU do end up in the PAC10.
Not sure what the S E C adds, maybe another Florida school or two :confused:
Big East and Big XII both go belly up with the leftovers going into the ACC, MWT, and possibly C-USA.

I think Kansas ends up getting screwed in this whole deal. It'd be pretty cool though if the BigXII does stay together with the big Texas schools leaving and Houston gets it's rightful spot in the (now much weaker) BigXII along with TCU, Memphis, BYU, Air Force, Boise St.

I also am leaning more towards this happening in hopes a playoff is spawned from big mega conferences forming.
 
just to add another rumor

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/


It can’t be that simple, though, right? If you’ve been following my Twitter feed (@frankthetank111), I had a brief interaction with @FakeJimDelany where he asked me whether I had bugged his phone, to which I replied, “I only get my info from Northwestern message boards.” Well, the Northwestern message boards put up another doozy of a rumor tonight: in addition to Nebraska, the Big Ten will be offering invites to Texas, Texas A&M, Notre Dame and Missouri. The Missouri invite, however, is contingent upon either Texas or Notre Dame accepting. Who knows how this is going to play out and whether the Big Ten would truly hand out invites (or more specifically, asking the candidates to fill out the applications for invites) without knowing whether the answer is yes, but I do know that the poster (who had written the infamous post that reportedly sent Jim Delany flying off the handle, was removed for a couple of weeks and is now back online) has a legit and direct connection to the Big Ten office. So, if this offer is true, the choice for Texas is what I laid out in yesterday’s “Double Chess” post: the comfortable Kia of the Pac-10 that won’t upset its Lone Star neighbors or the Rolls Royce of the new Big Ten
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b0ng said:
My guess based on what I've read, is that NU, MU, ND, and either 'Cuse or Rutgers goes to the BIgX.
UT, TAMU, TTU, OU, OSU, and CU do end up in the PAC10.
Not sure what the S E C adds, maybe another Florida school or two :confused:
Big East and Big XII both go belly up with the leftovers going into the ACC, MWT, and possibly C-USA.

I think Kansas ends up getting screwed in this whole deal. It'd be pretty cool though if the BigXII does stay together with the big Texas schools leaving and Houston gets it's rightful spot in the (now much weaker) BigXII along with TCU, Memphis, BYU, Air Force, Boise St.

I also am leaning more towards this happening in hopes a playoff is spawned from big mega conferences forming.
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I am with you. I think the Big 12 should nab Utah, TCU, Houston, Colorado State or New Mexico and go to 16 teams theirselves.
 
Super Mario said:
I am with you. I think the Big 12 should nab Utah, TCU, Houston, Colorado State or New Mexico and go to 16 teams theirselves.
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If only UH fans had shown more support for their football team (and I'm guilty of being apathetic about them), what could have been. Right now they just have to hope that something like that happens so they can get out of the cesspit of C-USA.

Intriguing would be the opportunity for UH to play Baylor. Revenge on Art Briles and getting us relegated to C-USA years and years ago? Yes please. (Also revenge for giving us the usually terrible John McClain)
 
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