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Orlando Pace a Texan? | Day 1 Unfolds

honestly i think in the end Pace is using us as a ploy against the rams to jack up his price. he will probably renegotiate a long term deal right at the deadline and we helped get him a couple extra million. not all bad for us because the more big names that visit us the more we are on the map, and it pushes the rams cap number a little higher too.
 
Just caught the tailend of the talks between Pace and the Texans on the NFL network ....It looks like the contract will go through for Pace. They will offically announce on wednesday but they said it looks like Pace will be a Texan because everything looks good.......YEEEE HAWWWW.
 
Vinny said:
It may be worth two 1's if that was all I had to give up as the Texans GM. This year will not have any elite linemen and if we secure Pace we are probably playoff contenders and will likely have a pick in the 20's next season. Securing one of the top 2 players in the NFL at LT is likely worth it to me.
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MY concern is how long will he be a top 2 LT in the NFL. I could see if he was in his mid 20's, but we might as well just round that 29 off to a thirty and i dont want him to be the G. Walker of the offense.
 
did they say what the compensation would be for the rams?

Sharper, Wand, 1st this year 2nd this year for pace and 2nd this year would be fair.

are we giving them 2 firsts?
 
its true, Offensive Lineman can play deep into their 30's without much effort. Pace should be a force for another 4 years, and after that will have 2 years where just his name will protect Carr. Thats worth it.
 
jacquescas said:
its true, Offensive Lineman can play deep into their 30's without much effort. Pace should be a force for another 4 years, and after that will have 2 years where just his name will protect Carr. Thats worth it.
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Ok, if we can expect another good four years atleast from him then i dont have a problem with that trade, but i would still love to have that #13 pick, just to give me something to look forward to ond raft day LoL.
 
dirty steve said:
you guys are bashing mckinney like he was the sole reason the line did not live up to expectations in 2004.
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id say he was about more than half of our problems. im still a firm believer C is more of a priority than LT where wand should improve if given the opportunity
 
jacquescas said:
did they say what the compensation would be for the rams?

Sharper, Wand, 1st this year 2nd this year for pace and 2nd this year would be fair.

are we giving them 2 firsts?
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From what i heard, Texans will give up a #1 and 3 pick. But they said the deal was good as done.
 
i agree, but this draft although not top heavy has alot of interesting mid to late round talent. with the offensive line taken care of it gives us alot more freedom in the draft.

There is always a chance the Rams send us a mid round pick back to us as well. At this point all we know is that Pace is serious about protecting Carr.

Another upside is he is used to playing on Turf so our better field will probably extend his career.
 
There is no way, IMO, that we are going to get Pace, and our #13. One or the other. Not both. I would take Pace.

Its basically like we are drafting a 30 year old Pace, with the #13 pick, and traded a starter to get higher.
 
DC_ROCK said:
There is no way, IMO, that we are going to get Pace, and our #13. One or the other. Not both. I would take Pace.

Its basically like we are drafting a 30 year old Pace, with the #13 pick, and traded a starter to get higher.
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Well on NFL network they said the deal was as good as done and Rams and Texans were agreeing on the terms....
 
texansgal8 said:
Just caught the tailend of the talks between Pace and the Texans on the NFL network ....It looks like the contract will go through for Pace. They will offically announce on wednesday but they said it looks like Pace will be a Texan because everything looks good.......YEEEE HAWWWW.
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can anyone else confirm this?
 
were do you get the half from? so wand as a first year LT was not a problem? that wiegert and wade were injured was not a problem? i think that mckinney is popular whipping boy on the board.

does anybody have a stat for number of sacks given up by each texans OL in 2004?
 
jacquescas said:
with the offensive line taken care of it gives us alot more freedom in the draft.
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it is still not taken care of if pace were to be added to the roster.

and nobody knows if he is "serious" about protecting carr but himself.
 
texansgal8 said:
Well on NFL network they said the deal was as good as done and Rams and Texans were agreeing on the terms....
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I just meant that we will have to give up our 1st round pick to get him, thats all.
 
Hmmm ok a 1st and a 3rd. I can live with it. Carr needed protection NOW and Alex Barron wasnt going to provide it.

We had an extra 3rd from Drew Henson trade, so basically 2 years ago drafting drew henson in addition to a 1st round pick (which we probably would have used on a lesser lineman) is what it took to get Pace, a former 1st overall pick. It would give us 3 offensive players taken in the top 3.

Sharper is still on the roster. Does he redo his contract to stay here now that he has seen us make a huge move in a sorely needed area or is he still trade bait? what will we get for him a second rounder maybe?

Now what does this leave for us to do with our first draft pick which at this point is in the 2nd round. I'd look at one of the 2 TE's left in Kevin Everrett from Miami and Alex Smith from Stanford. Also maybe that 2nd WR since we havn't made a move at that slot. We could give ourselves a dominant offensive line with David Baas. Roscoe Parrish from Miami would give us great pair of Miami wideouts.

Point is, as martha stewart would say, Its a good thing.
 
texansfan88 said:
can anyone else confirm this?
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I swear i wouldn't lie about a thing like this...Anyone else have NFL network to confirm this???? I believe the NFL network so i feel confident Pace will be a Texan but it won't offically be announced till Wednesday. Unless the Rams really do something ungodly to change this, i believe the NFL net.
 
texansgal8 said:
They said Texans said 1st and 3rd...I guess we'll see but they must want him awfully bad.
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I can live with that. I knew the #1 was gone, but I wasnt sure if they wanted starters, or picks.
 
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.asp?leaguenum=&sport=NFL&id=3951

NFL Network reports the Texans and Orlando Pace all but agreed to terms on a contract. If the Texans and Rams can agree on compensation, he'll be in Houston by Wednesday.
It looks like it will happen. Houston is willing to give up the #13 overall pick in the draft and has two third-rounders possibly available. The Rams want two first rounders, but are expected to settle for less. Terrible news for Marc Bulger; great news for David Carr.
 
If we can get Pace for a 1st and a 3rd, I do that in a NY minute if there are no other players involved. We have the extra 3rd this year so we would still have our 2nd, 3rd, etc. A long term deal will also need to be worked out so I hope they don't break the bank on the guy. There's a lot of risk with this. He's about 2/3 of the way through his career and has a lot of miles on him. Hopefully he can stay healthy for the last 1/3 and play at the level he's been playing - and adjust to the Texans wonderful o-line scheme. I've never been big on these mega deals but I remember Leon Gray back in the day....

I'll believe this all when I see it. The NFL Network also said the Texans signed Ron Dayne last week. I guess they thought Payne sounded like Dayne or something.

Think about one thing why did he come for a visit? Why would he come down here just for fun? Just to be polite? I dont think so,
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He visited the Giants before he came here.
 
I wonder how many of those that are so enthusiastic about signing Pace now will turn on him if he ends up dogging it or getting injured?
 
:thumbup To get Pace for a first and third is not bad . Pace is in his prime when motivated . That would make Wand a swing tackle and allow him more time to learn .

Anyone remember the Redskins traded for Jim Lachey OT from the Raiders ? Lachey attended OSU also , coincidence I think not .
 
BornOrange said:
I wonder how many of those that are so enthusiastic about signing Pace now will turn on him if he ends up dogging it or getting injured?
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Pace has never missed a start in his entire career. He is on a Hall of Fame career pace. He would instantly be our first ever candidate to be a Hall of Famer for this franchise.
 
Pace missed six games due to injury in 2002 (concern) and started only nine games his rookie season (not a concern).
 
Just had a random thought about the franchise designation, and it requiring 2 firsts.

Say the Rams refuse to come down from two 1st round picks. Does anything prevent us from contacting the Patriots and trading #13 for their 2005 and 2006 firsts? And using those to acquire Pace?
 
dirty steve said:
were do you get the half from? so wand as a first year LT was not a problem? that wiegert and wade were injured was not a problem? i think that mckinney is popular whipping boy on the board.
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I remember too many games watching him getting blown up by an inside rush.

Popular whipping boy? And for him to get on 610 AM every Tuesday and make stupid assinine quotes, such as "We have one of the top ten lines in the league". :shocked

He's brought it all on himself . . . er should I say 'yourself'. What are doing around this board this offseason, Steve? I thought you'd be out shooting animals with your BIG gun. :rolleyes:
 
Getting Orlando Pace for a 1st and a 3rd sounds like a pretty good deal to me. We'd still have two 7ths, and whatever we recieve if/when we trade Sharper. That should give Casserly plenty of wiggle room to do his thing on draft day.
 
texasguy346 said:
Getting Orlando Pace for a 1st and a 3rd sounds like a pretty good deal to me. We'd still have two 7ths, and whatever we recieve if/when we trade Sharper. That should give Casserly plenty of wiggle room to do his thing on draft day.
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Not to mention a 2nd round pick...I wouldn't put it past Casserly to trade up in the draft again if someone like Clayton or Channing Crowder fell to around 27
 
Tony Boselli was also on a Hall of Fame pace.

I'm not saying that Pace is definitely going to get injured, but that it is a possibility. His attitude is my biggest concern. How is he going to react to finally getting his big signing bonus? What kind of affect is his contract going to have on the Texans salary cap?
 
hey man, no need to get offensive--i was just pointing out that the underachieving line might not have been all mckinney's fault. still waiting for where you get the half from.

does the big gun mean that i am redneck or something? nice assumption.
 
Jonathan said:
To get a top 5 Left Tackle you've got to give something up. There isn't a better player at #13 than Orlando Pace. If it takes a 1st and a 3rd, i'd do it in a heartbeat.
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That's the way I look at it. LT is one of the most important positions on the field and Pace is one of the best in the league.

Pace would instantly become the best lineman on our team. I doubt we could even get a starter with the #13 pick this year. Our #13 pick would be a project at best. I'd take a sure thing over a project any day. And who is to say that the person we draft at #13 wouldn't be a complete bust?
 
If we get Pace, this might be what they are thinking:

LT-Pace LG- Pitts C-Weigert RG-Wand RT-Wade

That's a big, tall line. Between Pace, Weigert, and Wade it would be pretty expensive too.

I still like Wand at tackle, but this would put our best lineman on the field. Wand could move back to LT in 3-4 years if Pace declines or gets cut for cap reasons, like the Titans did to all those players recently.

They'd just need some PPWWW nickname.
 
dirty steve said:
were do you get the half from? so wand as a first year LT was not a problem? that wiegert and wade were injured was not a problem? i think that mckinney is popular whipping boy on the board.

does anybody have a stat for number of sacks given up by each texans OL in 2004?
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Hey Steve, nice to see you advocating for yourself!
 
those are all things we dont know, but track record of our club is not to give monter money to players, true we overpaid slightly for good talent (Wade and Robaire Smith) but we are not the Redskins here.

Our history shows no reason to fear us giving pace a 30 million bonus and some horrific contract. Every player has Injury concerns, and he is one of the most durable left tackles in the league right now.
 
Oh to be young again!

As most of us long time Ram fans know our history and drama run deep.
From winning 7 straight division titles in the 70s' w/out a ring, to having the best runner of his time Texan, Eric Dickerson, stupidly shipped out of town.
To watching a bumbling owner pack up the team and move them to the mid-west, all the while knowing this owner is only the owner because her husband died, mysteriously died. Thats not to mention having the league turnning a blind eye to defensive holding of recievers starting with Super Bowl 36. AKA 9/11 PATRIOT-IC Bowl. Oh the Drama.

Anyways that might help to explain some of our fans negative attitude on O Pace. Yes Orlando played sub-par last year at times, but so did the whole team. It definately seemed like Orlando was playing not to get hurt and end any chances at getting that long term contract. When he was motivated, like when he had to face former teammate Grant Wistrom he played exceptional.

The motivation for the Texans I am sure is increased by the difficulty young tackles have in this league. Jackie Slater not only didn't play much or start as a rookie, he used to get abused in practice by Jack Youngblood when he was a rookie. Even with all the hype these days leading up to the draft, the top O-Line prospects have not stepped right in and dominated. Even Robert Gallery, Jordan Gross and Eric Stienbach, three much better prospects than any tackle this year, played average at best. Steinbach better than average but that was at Guard. It is my opinion that QB and OT are the hardest positions for a rookie to have immeadiate success at. Then of course there is the Kenyatta Walker fear. The highest rated Tackle coming out four years ago, he flopped....on his face. Thats the Rams dilema if they trade Pace. The Rams have no worthy tackles with Pace gone and will need two vets.

Who at #13 will be available. Probably not DJ, Meriman or Rolle. And Barron, Brown and Barnes probably will need a year to adjust/improve to handle the Pro level DE's and blitzes. Casserly knows he cant lets Carr get pummled again and he needs to put points on the board now. Martz now has Jackson to hammer the ball so may actually pass less and thats why I think this may benifit both teams.

What you guys think?
 
if we are going to be a team that builds through the draft and doesnt waste money on expensive free agents, then this is the type of player we have to stay away from. i still dont think we are one player away. even our o-line is not one player away. we have 2 or 3 players on the oline that are not very good.

build through the draft. build through the draft. build through the draft.
 
markbeth said:
if we are going to be a team that builds through the draft and doesnt waste money on expensive free agents, then this is the type of player we have to stay away from. i still dont think we are one player away. even our o-line is not one player away. we have 2 or 3 players on the oline that are not very good.

build through the draft. build through the draft. build through the draft.
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As to building the team, we have signed FA's as starters in 4 of the 6 line positions (if you include the TE) and Pitts was a 2nd rounder and Wand is a 3rd rounder to round out our line. On top of that the team picked up Tony Boselli in the expansion draft but obviously that didn't work out. If it did, we would have nothing but a veteran line with a second round pick in Pitts as our LG. Our goal was a veteran line with young developing, emerging skill players. Most people just don’t slow down long enough to see that. With Pace we have what we wanted in Boselli all along. A veteran line with one of the best Tackles in the league to support young, developing skill players.
 
Alan66Rams said:
Martz now has Jackson to hammer the ball so may actually pass less and thats why I think this may benifit both teams.

What you guys think?
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I don't think Martz is capable of "hammering the ball". He has to fit in his nifty plays. I also came up with a new coach for teams. It is the time management coach. His duties are to:
1. Keep track of timeouts
2. Assist head coach on when to use the red flag
3. Give advice on 2-minute drills
4. Advise when to use on-side kicks and when not to
5. Assist coach on when to take a 2 pt. conversion, an intensional safety, etc.

I think Andy Reid and Mike Martz would need to be the first two to hire one of these.

This is a good trade for the Texans. I think it might be good for the Rams to move on from Pace too.
 
dirty steve said:
does anybody have a stat for number of sacks given up by each texans OL in 2004?
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Wand 12.5 sacks, 1 false start, 2 holds
Pitts 6 sacks, 7 false starts, 3 holds
McKinney, 4 sacks, 0 false starts, 0 holds
Weigert 4.5 sacks, 2 false starts, 0 holds
Wade 6 sacks, 3 false starts, 0 holds

Spears 2 sacks, 1 false start, 0 holds
Weary 0 sacks, 1 false start, 0 holds
Brown 1.75 sacks, 3 false starts, 1 hold
 
You mean like the other expansion team?
Cleaveland Browns: Courtney Brown, William Green, Kevin Johnson and oh yeah Tim Couch.......worked for them! :rolleyes:
 
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