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Once again now . . . do you keep Carr?

Marcus

Marcus

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Houston Chronicle: "David Carr is due an $8 million roster bonus by the end of this season. If the Texans don't exercise it, he will become a free agent. Until recently, that money and Carr's future with the Texans hadn't been an issue."

Well, it has become a very important issue now. With all this "Fire everyone" frenzy going on, it's in the background, and it shoudn't be.

If he get's that bonus, that goes against the salary cap, and he gets Pro-Bowler pay without proving he deserves it. Granted, with the o-line, some say he never was given a chance. But the fact still remains, he hasn't proved he's deserved it.

From this corner, IMO, if everyone goes out the door, Carr goes with them. He was, after all, their choice.

Now, I like Carr a lot, I think that if he is given protection from an adequate offensive line, he can one day become a good quarterback. Maybe one day he can earn that Pro-Bowl money.

But, (I'm ashamed to say this) he doesn't stand a chance with the Houston Texans. If the front office has any honor left in them, they will let this kid go before he is permanently ruined . . . like a Tim Couch or Archie Manning.

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I donno, good topic. I can't believe we haven't discussed this! :penalty:

:bomb: just kinda joking Marcus...we are beating this dead horse for the next 12 weeks I would guess
 
If we don't/can't draft Ferguson, sign/draft a TE, another WR, and maybe another lineman, I say let him go, it has gotten to the point where it's just not fair to Carr anymore. He still needs to work on spome minor things, but he hasn't even had a chance to show what he can do or prove he is worth the money. And I was one of the ones saying bench Carr in the preseason. He actually has looked better to me, but he hasn't had time this season to show what he can do. If he only had time so he at least has a chance to show what he can do...
 
i think the question has to be asked, does david carr still want to play in houston. They have not given him any support(o-line). I would like to see ragone get some playing time and see how he performs. If he performs equal to or better than carr, i say release carr and let him find success with another team. Would hate to see the titans pick him up. This will be a decision our new head coach would have to make when he evaluates the whole team. That money could be well spent upgrading alot of other positions.
 
profan said:
i think the question has to be asked, does david carr still want to play in houston. They have not given him any support(o-line). I would like to see ragone get some playing time and see how he performs. If he performs equal to or better than carr, i say release carr and let him find success with another team. Would hate to see the titans pick him up. This will be a decision our new head coach would have to make when he evaluates the whole team. That money could be well spent upgrading alot of other positions.
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If Carr was to leave, I bet the Jets, Bears, or even the Skins would make a hard push for him...
 
profan said:
i think the question has to be asked, does david carr still want to play in houston.
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And I presume management, whoever that would be between the end of the season and March, would make sure they knew exactly how Carr felt about
remaining here. Assuming the Texans want to keep him, is the option exercised unilaterally by the Texans, or must it be by mutual agreement ? And can we trade the option rights for value to another team without Carrs
approval ?
 
Do what Detroit did and keep Carr and give him weapons and a line that will actually block for him. If he still sucks, then get rid of him. We've allready made bigger mistakes than giving Carr $8 million, and who knows? He could turn things around with some help like Drew Brees did.
 
You know, call me crazy, ignorant, blind, whatever, but my gut tells me this guy will renegotiate his contract to give the team the cap money it needs. Surely he sees, whether his fault or not, he has not put up the numbers to warrant that contract.

To me it depends on what the word from league insiders may be. If "the word" is that, put in the right position, he will put up pro-bowl numbers, he may not renegotiate, because his agent will persuade him he can get the dollars. But that would be a major league roll of the dice.

I think his best bet is to come to some kind of deal with the Texans.
 
I'm thinking just the opposite CajunTexan. I'm thinking that David is going to say to himself "I just spent four years getting the stuffing beat out of me. Then the defenses beat the stuffing just to see if anything might fall out of it. It's time to get paid for all those hits"

I think on one level he'd be right to do that. Carr has not completely lived up to his end of the bargain IMO but it's painfully obvious that the Texans have come up short too. If anything I think the Texans owe him the money but I also think there's so much wrong with the team right now that Carr might be best served by going elsewhere. The Texans might be best served spending that money on other needs.

It's a hard thing to understand but much like Cleveland before us we may be sending our first QB out the door because that's what's best for both of us.
 
yes and ditto the cajun a few posts up... he's a smart kid, I think he'll do what's right, especially if there's a one on one meeting with Bob "number one priority..." McNair to discuss the future.
 
I think he'll be smart about it too. Yes, he's taken hits and gets pummeled but I think he sees too much (dare I say it) promise. the Texans without Carr would be even worse, he's at the very least, a leader. Who would want to come play for us and take all those hits anyways?
 
Hervoyel said:
I'm thinking just the opposite CajunTexan. I'm thinking that David is going to say to himself "I just spent four years getting the stuffing beat out of me. Then the defenses beat the stuffing just to see if anything might fall out of it. It's time to get paid for all those hits"

I think on one level he'd be right to do that. Carr has not completely lived up to his end of the bargain IMO but it's painfully obvious that the Texans have come up short too. If anything I think the Texans owe him the money but I also think there's so much wrong with the team right now that Carr might be best served by going elsewhere. The Texans might be best served spending that money on other needs.

It's a hard thing to understand but much like Cleveland before us we may be sending our first QB out the door because that's what's best for both of us.
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Herv...you know I am speaking a little bit from my heart on this one. I have always had this gut about Carr, sort of like I did about Aikman. You may be right though. No one could blame the guy or the team for a parting of the ways. I just hope he is not a figure in H-town sports history like a Nolan Ryan or someone else that was shown the door and prospered elsewhere.
 
Yeah keep him. All my friends in other towns know it is not his fault.

They even said on the radio today that Carr had about 2.4 seconds to take the snap, drop back, read the defense, and make the throw

2.4 FREAKING SECONDS!
 
I definitely think Carr can get it done, if given the proper supporting cast (all he needs IMO is protection at this point, and maybe a better #2 receiver if we get the chance). He has all the tools to be a great QB, and if we let him go it won't be easy to get another young franchise QB with similar capabilities. He hasn't proven he's worth big money yet, but there is no doubting his potential in my mind. Hopefully he'll restructure, maybe the enticement of a new coaching staff with true intentions of doing everything they can to protect him will persuade him. I think we need a change in coaching staff, and a strong showing in the draft and FA to pick up some talent for this OLine, and Carr can go on to have a very productive career with the Texans. I definitely want him to stay in Houston.
 
CajunTexan said:
Herv...you know I am speaking a little bit from my heart on this one. I have always had this gut about Carr, sort of like I did about Aikman. You may be right though. No one could blame the guy or the team for a parting of the ways. I just hope he is not a figure in H-town sports history like a Nolan Ryan or someone else that was shown the door and prospered elsewhere.
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Agreed, I want to see it work out too and even though a lot of people say that if you're the least bit critical of David Carr that makes you a "Carr Hater" I disagree. I see holes in his game and things he does poorly but most quarterbacks have weaknesses here and there. I don't see a coaching staff that's been able to help him with the things he does wrong and I don't see an organization that's provided him with the tools to eliminate the excuses.

I'd like to see them give him a line and some consistent time. Give him a kick butt running game and a second solid threat and then see what happens. I hope we get a look at something like this before it's all over. I'd hate to give up on him too soon too.

What I don't mean by a line and consistent time is the mess we put on the field every year. FIX THE LINE GUYS!

I don't mean a Domanick Davis type running game. You put DD behind Payton Manning and he's going to look an awful lot like Edge at times. Here he's not enough. Back at the draft I was praying for Benson to fall to us (no way) but of course it didn't happen. The Texans need a running back who can get the yards when everyone knows he's coming to get them. DD just can't do that.

On the second receiving threat I think we already have good options. Gaffney can play, Armstrong can play. Even Bradford can play (but how he rates as our #2 guy escapes me. He's at best our #3. I don't give Mathis an edge over him just because for all the ridiculous love in here sent to Mathis he hasn't done a damned thing yet. Right now he's Corey Bradford but faster and with less history to judge him by. Maybe he passes Corey easy once he gets in some games but until I see it he is what he is, a rookie reciever with speed. Don't expect too much from him in year one.
 
Carr has to take some of the blame in the Texans' performance so far. Everything can't be put on the O-line. He still needs help in reading the blitz. Is Carr mature enough to lead this team? Sometimes I wonder about him. Man, he's getting alot of $$$$!
 
He still needs help in reading the blitz.
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What can he do when he sees the blitz coming? This O line couldn't block against a pee wee squad. Carr needs help praying when he sees the blitz coming.
 
I like David Carr. I think it's a travesty how this team has failed to put him in a position to succeed to this point. I don't blame much of our current situation on Carr, even while acknowledging that he's not playing well now. No other QB would be playing well at this point in our team's history, either.

That said, we can't pay him $8 million next year. While he may not have been given ample opportunity to earn that pay, the fact remains that he has not earned it. What I think he's earned is a right to a second chance under a new regime, whether that be with a renegotiated contract here in Houston, or as a free agent signing elsewhere.
 
Hervoyel said:
Agreed, I want to see it work out too and even though a lot of people say that if you're the least bit critical of David Carr that makes you a "Carr Hater" I disagree. I see holes in his game and things he does poorly but most quarterbacks have weaknesses here and there. I don't see a coaching staff that's been able to help him with the things he does wrong and I don't see an organization that's provided him with the tools to eliminate the excuses.

I'd like to see them give him a line and some consistent time. Give him a kick butt running game and a second solid threat and then see what happens. I hope we get a look at something like this before it's all over. I'd hate to give up on him too soon too.

What I don't mean by a line and consistent time is the mess we put on the field every year. FIX THE LINE GUYS!

I don't mean a Domanick Davis type running game. You put DD behind Payton Manning and he's going to look an awful lot like Edge at times. Here he's not enough. Back at the draft I was praying for Benson to fall to us (no way) but of course it didn't happen. The Texans need a running back who can get the yards when everyone knows he's coming to get them. DD just can't do that.

On the second receiving threat I think we already have good options. Gaffney can play, Armstrong can play. Even Bradford can play (but how he rates as our #2 guy escapes me. He's at best our #3. I don't give Mathis an edge over him just because for all the ridiculous love in here sent to Mathis he hasn't done a damned thing yet. Right now he's Corey Bradford but faster and with less history to judge him by. Maybe he passes Corey easy once he gets in some games but until I see it he is what he is, a rookie reciever with speed. Don't expect too much from him in year one.
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I'm with you Herv...some folks criticize though without any specifics to back the criticisim. (where is the spell check icon?) Yes, he does have holes, like not looking a safety off, but as the eagle mentioned, 2.4 seconds is long enough to look off anything. He has just shown enough glimpes of what could be, to keep the feeling in my gut about what he could become.

I bleed purple and gold and watched double d in college, but I have never been sold on him as a "hoss", you know. He lacks the stamina to dominate a game. Don't get me wrong, he shows flashes, just not a dominator.

I really like our receivers, minus Cory, just past his prime. AJ, Gaff, Armstrong and Mathis seem to me like could be really scary to a defense if we could find away to get 2, 3 or all 4 of them on the field at the same time.

Like most of the rest of the folks on this board, I have watched the team for 5 years and had high expectations for this season. Very dissappointed. Just hope McNair can fix it.
 
If not David, then who? Banks? Ragone?

Neither has shown much promise.

Another question is this "How much will it cost us to bring in a descent quarterback?" Really, think about it! Who in thier right mind would want to play for the Texans? The offensive line is questionable at best; the running game is inconsistent; no tightend or fullback to dump off to, no viable #2 receiver and finally an unproven first receiver.

Realistically, what kind of quartback could the Texans attract? We could draft another #1 QB but, given the reasons listed above, how would that change anything? Give a frest new quarterback two years of record breaking sack counts, and we will have another David Carr on our hands.

As much as it pains me to say this - David Carr may be our best option.

Ouch! That Hurt!
 
Carr's contract is the issue not the man. I do not think he will be back if heads roll either, since he is tied inextricably to the front office and staff.

I am one who does not believe he has it to be a good QB in this league for more than a three game stretch. I could easily seeing DC not catching on like Couch as well with another team if he were to be released.
 
I say give him a chance w/ the next coach to take the helm and make the changes necessary on offense for better ball movement - in the air, on the ground, w/ a screen, whatever. I think the fight is in him, just not for Dom.
 
I will say one thing and I am absolutely positive about this. We don't just need a new HC, OC, and DC. We need someone who's job is to work with David Carr. We need someone to work with him like June Jones did with Warren Moon.

This isn't a "Oh we'll work on it during training camp some" kind of thing either. this is a full time job and finding someone who can get through to David Carr and help fix or minimize his problems is at least as important as fixing the offensive line we put around him. When he finally does get consistent time he's got to know what to do with it. he needs a guy who he can go back to the sidelines and talk to. Not some dude on the other end of the phone but someone he trusts who's sole responsibility is to make sure that he's ready to play.

We pay this guy millions of dollars. I think spending another hundred grand or whatever the going rate is for an outstanding QB coach is taking care of your larger investment and money well spent.
 
I'd like to see Carr stay, because no pocket QB is going to fun to watch with this oline. Keep Carr, Keep AJ and gut everyone else, including DD, can't block for #$@.

Install a high-powered offense and for Gods sake bring in a FA TE worth a dang, Bubba Franks was avail for the longest time.
 
We're to blame, the line's to blame, the coaches are to blame, and Carr's to blame. Plenty for all. The money is MUCH too much to pay him, given his performance, no matter the reason. So, for all of us, Carr should go try his luck elsewhere and we start over. Maybe he turns out an NFL legend. More likely he turns out a serviceable QB with below average reads, a cannon arm, and a skittishness born of our first 4 years. But give the guy a chance. Let him go.
 
Measure Carr's numbers against most ANY NFL Q (aikman, elway, montana, etc...) and his #'s through 3 years KILL them. This year is sucking because our o-line is WORSE (who would have thunk!).

CARR IS NOT THE PROBLEM...but he's going to be one SOON if we don't sell the barn to get a decent o-line.

Having said that...if you've read ANY of my posts...you know that I've been a homer (just see my FANTASY TEAM..HAHHA). However, I can no longer in good conscience defend Capers, Casserly or Fangio.

I just can't...I wanna..but. The case against them is just too strong.

I ate $120 in tickets this weekend because I LOVE SPORTS...but I'm not a masochist. I knew we wouldn't show up...and we didnt'. Pathetic!
In my opinion we have the 1 WR with the most potential. We have the 1 QB with as much potential as PALMER, ROTHERLSEREKLJN-BURGER & MANNING. But I think ALL would look like Carr if they lined up under McSuck-ney & the rest of our CFL-line.
Again...this is the first "negative" post for me ever. But...I'd be lying if I said I still thought this organization was on the right path.

CAPERS and Crew....PROVE US WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE! I will continue to EAT MY TICKETS until we decide to show up. Fo' real! Sure...eating several grand a season sucks...but with $7 beers & $6 dogs....it's better than the alternative.

:brickwall

Mind you....I've NEVER EVER EVER said a bad word about our organization until now. 3 years of bottom-feeding didn't phase me. But this year...purely unacceptable. And undestand...if we had to lose key quality players like the Titans because we tried to extend our "rule" longer than financially viable...fine. It was a calculated risk with good intentions. But this is proving to merely be poor management and bad decisions.

BUCHANON, HOLLINGS, C. HILL, BABIN....and overpaying WADE. McNair seems to be a smart business guy. I don't see him swallowing even an entire season of this mess.

I DO NOT WANT TO HEAR "With the 1st pick of the 2006 DRAFT, the Houston Texans pick ___________". :brickwall :goodnight
 
LOL but the problem is not a coaching problem!!!!!!

The problems is bodies... Every winning team in the NFL has backups that can come in and make a valuable contribution. we have drafted maybe 30 players at the most over our history.

We are on the right track... However the only setback I really saw was the switch to a zone blocking scheme in 04. Yea it works with the run, (see Denver & Atlanta for more info) but look at their passing attacks.. Both are West Coast offenses that rely heavily on the short passes precise routes and quick development. The passing plays we have are not made for that kind of line play they are timing routes that take time to develop and they are spread out so there ismore to read. But at week 3 you cant say ok scrap the passing plays, or scrap the blocking scheme.

No team in NFL has become a perennial Winning franchise, in 5 years after creation... well except for teams in like the 20's.

Think about that. we havent built enough personnel here in 5 years you cant trade for talent because with spare parts and the only real talent being the talent you wanna keep so really all we have is money to throw at players.

Blame whoever you want to blame, But the blame is placed squarely upon the NFL fan who wants a fine wine made out of sour grapes. Normally 5 years for any team would be enough but they have players in place have nucleus to develop the team around. We had nothing.. The team honestly is coming along real well but with a lack of o line talent available since 02, we have been limited to building other areas. Thats the truth period. :dangit:
 
Keep Carr since this draft is basically what houston has really been holding out for. I mean the only real move we made was we tryed to get pace. If we end up with the worst record this year, that sets us up for a monster year next year and the offseason. We would hold the top spot and teams would look to make deals with us to get in a spot to draft leinhart or young with the #1 pick. Look how SD did when they could have drafted Vick? They got Brees and Tomlinson. It would give us more picks which should be a lineman heavy draft this year. Im looking at 4 lineman this year 3 offensive and 1 defensive this draft with a TE probably in there as well.
 
The jury is still out with me on whether Carr is the right or wrong fit. But really after 4 yrs of severe punishment, getting hammered left, right, centre and then some, isn't this guy entitled to $8 million? I am thinking (while the jury is still deliberating) that we need to give the guy the dollars just so he can pay the medical bills in the future that our O-Line has given him through their lack of protection to his body. Sure, possibly some of the blame has to fall on David, but maybe he needs a former QB to give him some help, advice, confidence, etc. Something needs to be done overall but we invested so much in this guy that I think we need to persevere and not overexpect (like we possibly did when we drafted him)...
 
Sco-tai said:
I ate $120 in tickets this weekend because I LOVE SPORTS...but I'm not a masochist. I knew we wouldn't show up...and we didnt'. Pathetic!
In my opinion we have the 1 WR with the most potential. We have the 1 QB with as much potential as PALMER, ROTHERLSEREKLJN-BURGER & MANNING. But I think ALL would look like Carr if they lined up under McSuck-ney & the rest of our CFL-line.
Again...this is the first "negative" post for me ever. But...I'd be lying if I said I still thought this organization was on the right path.

CAPERS and Crew....PROVE US WRONG!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE! I will continue to EAT MY TICKETS until we decide to show up. Fo' real! Sure...eating several grand a season sucks...but with $7 beers & $6 dogs....it's better than the alternative.

Mind you....I've NEVER EVER EVER said a bad word about our organization until now. 3 years of bottom-feeding didn't phase me. But this year...purely unacceptable. And undestand...if we had to lose key quality players like the Titans because we tried to extend our "rule" longer than financially viable...fine. It was a calculated risk with good intentions. But this is proving to merely be poor management and bad decisions.
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Sco-tai, McNair had better realize that fans such as yourself are going to hit his pocketbook and hit it hard. Most of us season ticket holders were so hungry for a football franchise in Houston, that we will hold on to our PSLs and our season tickets. It's the single ticket sales that fills the stadium! The stadium was not full Sunday(sold out but no shows), and half empty at the 3rd quarter. This means alot of concession money that McNair lost! Now figure the Texans poor play, the single ticket sales will drop signifiantly. This means no sell outs and no TV. No TV means no TV money, low ticket sales, and a big hit on concessions! This will jump out at him on the bottom line!
McNair is a smart business man. I'm sure he didn't make his millions being stupid. He has got to make some changes in his organization of it will kill him financially!

bobby 119C :texans:
 
outofhnd said:
LOL but the problem is not a coaching problem!!!!!!
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Mind boggling. Seriously the coaching is just hunky dory?--all of it, Capers, Fangio, etc.? So good coaching takes basically the same team and goes from 7-9 to a putrid looking 0-4?--about to be 0-8, 12, 16? Exactly what are the signs of good coaching that are being displayed right now?
 
CajunTexan said:
Herv...you know I am speaking a little bit from my heart on this one. I have always had this gut about Carr, sort of like I did about Aikman. You may be right though. No one could blame the guy or the team for a parting of the ways. I just hope he is not a figure in H-town sports history like a Nolan Ryan or someone else that was shown the door and prospered elsewhere.
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He will.
 
Carr's contract is the issue not the man. I do not think he will be back if heads roll either, since he is tied inextricably to the front office and staff.

I am one who does not believe he has it to be a good QB in this league for more than a three game stretch. I could easily seeing DC not catching on like Couch as well with another team if he were to be released.
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I'll just have to disagree with you on Carr's potential, I guess. If he goes to a team that protects him, the Carr doubters will be kicking themselves when they see what he does. There is one crucial difference between Carr and Couch - Tim Couch had a career-ending shoulder injury (maybe arm) that no one wanted to talk about until he finally washed out with GB. Carr doesn't (yet) have any significant injuries that we know about. Leaving here would be the best thing for his career.
 
I think that Carr could be a good QB - perhaps not great - but good if he had adequate or even semi-adequate protection. I haven't given up on him yet. The best thing for both him and AJ would be to find another team - but I hope the Texans find a coach that can bring out the best in both of them.
 
Of course you keep Carr - Hasnt he proven himself enough by now that hes willing to get out there and keep taking the hits and still keep drinking the battle red kool-aid alebit while knowing the staff and front office have basically sold him down the river for a non-producing LB and CB combo and ignored the owner's request for an O-line? It's hard to produce a Pro-Bowl performance when a majority of your time behind the line is spent being Sacked - hurried or PRessures a "Majority' of the downs of every game. I think anyone here would be hard pressed to find a QB i nthe league who could succeed even marginally under those conditions.

I'm not saying DC doesnt make mistakes - EVery QB i nthe league will - his are just magnified a thousand times because nobody has anything else to look at. How about 3 seconds to throw guys? Is that too much on a passing down? Sure he needs to calm the happy feet a bit so he can develop pocket presence - but honestly when has he ever had a consistent pocket to throw from? Counting last year he hasnt had time to throw the ball since the middle of last season when the sack totals began piling up again.

It's the lack of talent, bad techinique, lazy players and bad coaching along with no TE as a scoring threat that has given every D-fense in the league a free pass to our backfield IMO. They have no fear of our offense and as long as they dont fear us - they will keep bringign the pressure - Honestly why wouldnt they? We certainly have shown no signs of being able to protect DC. I think DC will do the right thing and talk with McNair i nthe Off-seaso nand fidn a happy medium on a good contract - not Pro-bowl money - but decent money and some incentives to make more and give the team some wiggle room to get a decent O-line in here for a change.

IMO I think Joe and Dom need to use a Joe Gibbs - Washington style of offense - it certainly suits the personel and could actually for once provide protection for DC and maybe get some progress on offense. Go to a 2 TE max protect scheme and run our offense out of that and see what happens. WE cant protect david with 5 so how about trying it with max protect for a cahnge a majority of the time and see what happens? It works for Washington - and they dont have the greatest line or QB why not here?
 
I found this on Scott Writes draft blog... just saying the same ol' thing... but it's national media...

October 10th, 2005
The Houston Texans are still winless and if the season ended today they would have the #1 pick in the NFL Draft. If that holds up what would Houston do? Most assume that they would pass on Matt Leinart since they used the #1 overall pick in 2002 on David Carr, but as Lee Corso would say: "Not so fast my friend". There are whispers that Houston could clean house this offseason and with Carr due an $8 million roster bonus don't think his head isn't on the chopping block as well. Of course they could decide to trade down for a huge package of picks and select the premier offensive lineman they have been looking for, but Leinart is not out of the question. Just a little food for thought.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/blog/wrightstuff.html
 
How will that work when our RB and TE cant block to save a mans life? Carr needs take some time off and come back next year when we have a new coach and line. Just let the oline rotate in and take snaps at QB. Serve them right.
 
outofhnd said:
However the only setback I really saw was the witch to a zone blocking scheme in 04. Yea it works with the run, (see Denver & Atlanta for more info) but look at their passing attacks.. Both are West Coast offenses that rely heavily on the short passes precise routes and quick development. The passing plays we have are not made for that kind of line play they are timing routes that take time to develop and they are spread out so there ismore to read. But at week 3 you cant say ok scrap the passing plays, or scrap the blocking scheme.
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I saw the same thing with the zone blocking. It seems like ever since we went with the zone blocking, the Texans office has been taking two steps back. I remember the line saying it was difficult to catch on to.

More than anything else, I think the Texans need a solid O-line coach and a strong OC. The philosophies of the current coaching staff, and the way they are not holding players accountable, seems to be the worst hit that the Texans are taking. I know they are a good team because I have seen the players perform, but they can do a lot better.
 
Marcus said:
Houston Chronicle: "David Carr is due an $8 million roster bonus by the end of this season. If the Texans don't exercise it, he will become a free agent. Until recently, that money and Carr's future with the Texans hadn't been an issue."

Well, it has become a very important issue now. With all this "Fire everyone" frenzy going on, it's in the background, and it shoudn't be.

If he get's that bonus, that goes against the salary cap, and he gets Pro-Bowler pay without proving he deserves it. Granted, with the o-line, some say he never was given a chance. But the fact still remains, he hasn't proved he's deserved it.

From this corner, IMO, if everyone goes out the door, Carr goes with them. He was, after all, their choice.

Now, I like Carr a lot, I think that if he is given protection from an adequate offensive line, he can one day become a good quarterback. Maybe one day he can earn that Pro-Bowl money.

But, (I'm ashamed to say this) he doesn't stand a chance with the Houston Texans. If the front office has any honor left in them, they will let this kid go before he is permanently ruined . . . like a Tim Couch or Archie Manning.

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To question the wisdom of paying him the bonus is legit, but your conclusion of letting the kid go before he is permanently injured is pretty silly. After all, somebody would take over for him anyway and run the same risk. Why be sympathetic for Carr but not, say, Banks or Ragone? Of course, if you let Carr go, then you should be willing to go with Ragone or Banks for the near future because if you take Leinart with the first pick you'll have to shell out a ton of money for the same position once again without knowing if he'll even be as good as Carr -- and also realize he'll have a learning curve as well. If you forego the bonus and let Carr go, then fine. Give Ragone the nod and see what he can do. The guy had a good college career and might eventually work out. But don't go for Leinart in the draft. You'll be shelling out even more money for a bigger question mark. One thing is for certain -- Carr certainly is no Ryan Leaf or Akili Smith. But Leinart may very well be.
 
CajunTexan said:
You know, call me crazy, ignorant, blind, whatever, but my gut tells me this guy will renegotiate his contract to give the team the cap money it needs. Surely he sees, whether his fault or not, he has not put up the numbers to warrant that contract.

Dude....I got that same gut feeling....and this time I'm sure it's not gas.
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BigBull17 said:
How will that work when our RB and TE cant block to save a mans life? Carr needs take some time off and come back next year when we have a new coach and line. Just let the oline rotate in and take snaps at QB. Serve them right.
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Put the O-line staff - Dom and Charlie in that QB rotation too - maybe then they might understand the urgency of getting a Freaking O-line.
 
>The philosophies of the current coaching staff, and the way they are not holding players accountable, seems to be the worst hit that the Texans are taking. I know they are a good team because I have seen the players >perform, but they can do a lot better.

Talk to Buchanon about how Capers and the current coaching staff are not holding players accountable.
 
> Of course they could decide to trade down for a huge package of picks and >select the premier offensive lineman they have been looking for,

This would definitely be the wise move. Carr has never had the chance to show what he could do if he had some decent, consistent protection.
 
The two different ways I'd handle it:

1. Keep Carr. Devote a lot of attention to the OL in the draft (draft at least 3 OL) and free agency. Put some real talent on the line and get somebody that knows how to coach it.

That scenario would require patience from the fans. It's not going to work right away but would be better for down the road.

2. Lose Carr. Do NOT draft a QB to replace him in the draft. It'd be pointless. Devote your attention again to the OL in the draft and in free agency. Start Banks/Ragone, bring in a cheap 3rd QB then look at drafting a QB in the '07 draft (as well as looking at another OL). By the time the '07 drafted QB is ready to take the field, the OL from the '06 class has had a year of playing together.

This scenario would also require patience from the fans.

Problem is which way do you go? That's a toughie.
 
The defense needs just as much attention. We score 20 points yesterday, the defense wasn't even in the game.
 
I think the defense would play better if they were kept off the field for longer periods of time. As bad as the defense has played, I still think they have more talent on that side of the ball than the offense does.

But yeah, they could use an influx of talent as well.
 
Huge said:
The two different ways I'd handle it:

1. Keep Carr. Devote a lot of attention to the OL in the draft (draft at least 3 OL) and free agency. Put some real talent on the line and get somebody that knows how to coach it.

That scenario would require patience from the fans. It's not going to work right away but would be better for down the road.

2. Lose Carr. Do NOT draft a QB to replace him in the draft. It'd be pointless. Devote your attention again to the OL in the draft and in free agency. Start Banks/Ragone, bring in a cheap 3rd QB then look at drafting a QB in the '07 draft (as well as looking at another OL). By the time the '07 drafted QB is ready to take the field, the OL from the '06 class has had a year of playing together.

This scenario would also require patience from the fans.

Problem is which way do you go? That's a toughie.
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The only problem I see with your second argument is that if the Texans end up with the #1 pick it would be very hard to not take Matt Leinart. There wont be another QB comming around like him for awhile. Hopefully the Texans wont be in the possition to make a decission like that for awhile.

I say that if we do loose Carr and have a shot at Leinart, we take him and then try and trade back up into the 1st round and select one of the top 5 OT's in the draft. Our 2nd and 3rd round picks in recent history havent produced much, so giving those away to move back into the 1st round seems like a decent idea to me... but.. this is only week 6.. there's a lot of football left to be played!
 
Huge said:
I think the defense would play better if they were kept off the field for longer periods of time. As bad as the defense has played, I still think they have more talent on that side of the ball than the offense does.

But yeah, they could use an influx of talent as well.
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The defense would play better if the DB's were closer than 8 yards to the line of scrimmage and if we tried blitzing or at least sending more than 3 to get pressure on the QB...
 
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