Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!

[Texian]

So after going 12-4, winning the division and winning a playoff game. Hmmm then going into the next season with Superbowl as the main topic. But instead it was an epic collapse of a season. You don't think that's the main reason why Kubiak was fired? (2-14)

The 2-14 season collapse is directly tied to complete and utter collapse and demise of Matt Schaub that year. The reason Kubiak was fired was because he pulled Case Keenum in the Jacksonville game and put in Schaub because Keenum had been totally ineffective and Kubiak was trying to win the game. That sent McNair into a temper tantrum and in a fit of rage on the plane flight home when he decided to fire Kubiak. This is all very clear and is there for all to see and hear if they watch the press conference where McNair fires Kubiak. It's also where McNair stated dramatically and undeniably that Case Keenum would be the starter.

 

[thunderkyss]

I suggest you take the time to research Kubiak's involvement and the signing of Schaub process and then familiarize yourself with how O'Brien watched a few OS game tapes and then left to go to the Wisconsin Pro Day but never met face to face with OS before signing him. Sometimes sht turns out to be fact and truth.

The only thing true you said regarding O'bs selection of Osweiler is that he didn't get to interview him before signing him. He watched more than just a few games, he watched every snap, all his preseason games, & all his college games... & O'b talked to all Osweiler's coaches going back to high school.

 

[DBCooper]

The only thing true you said regarding O'bs selection of Osweiler is that he didn't get to interview him before signing him. He watched more than just a few games, he watched every snap, all his preseason games, & all his college games... & O'b talked to all Osweiler's coaches going back to high school.

Stop it man!

You are ruining the rhetoric of mcnairs "panic" decision after 3 seasons of bad QB play!

 

[JamTex]

The panic should be over. It's time to get behind our Texans, Brock Osweiler, the brand new backfield, receiving corps, and the O-line. This offense will be very good. Keep in mind that it's preseason and we haven't seen all this new offense can be yet. The regular season is coming brothers and sisters. Soon, O'brien and Osweiler will put together a game plan. The Bears will be the first real opportunity we'll get to see of this and I assure you, the Texans will destroy the hapless Bears. Once that happens, all those Osweiler haters will all of a sudden be Osweiler lovers and jump on the band wagon. It's gonna happen. I see it.

 

[Texecutioner]

The panic should be over. It's time to get behind our Texans, Brock Osweiler, the brand new backfield, receiving corps, and the O-line. This offense will be very good. Keep in mind that it's preseason and we haven't seen all this new offense can be yet. The regular season is coming brothers and sisters. Soon, O'brien and Osweiler will put together a game plan. The Bears will be the first real opportunity we'll get to see of this and I assure you, the Texans will destroy the hapless Bears. Once that happens, all those Osweiler haters will all of a sudden be Osweiler lovers and jump on the band wagon. It's gonna happen. I see it.

Dude, you will see them flip flop as fast as can be.

I just hope that Oz can be that great. I'm skeptical that he can be a great QB. I do think he could be pretty good though. At least there is reason for excitement to how it all unfolds this year though. I' not sure why folks aren't excited for this season. This to me is the most intriguing season for the Texans in their entire history. So many unknowns, but lots of strong potential if a few things go as planned.

 

[JamTex]

Dude, you will see them flip flop as fast as can be.

I just hope that Oz can be that great. I'm skeptical that he can be a great QB. I do think he could be pretty good though. At least there is reason for excitement to how it all unfolds this year though. I' not sure why folks aren't excited for this season. This to me is the most intriguing season for the Texans in their entire history. So many unknowns, but lots of strong potential if a few things go as planned.

It won't be all on Osweiler. These incredible new receivers we have, that speedy, powerful backfield we have will make Osweiler look good. He won't have to be great with all the weapons he'll have at his disposal. All he'll have to do is get the ball to his playmakers and let them do there thang. They will make him look allot better then he is.

 

[JamTex]

I'm going to ask this question. Was Terry Bradshaw a good quarterback? Or did Lynn Swan make him look good? Think about that. It's not always the quarterback. Sometimes the great supporting cast can make a quarterback look really good. Osweiler has that supporting cast. All he has to do is manage the game and get the ball to that amazing supporting cast. He'll look like the teams salvation because of his playmakers.

 

[infantrycak]

I'm going to ask this question. Was Terry Bradshaw a good quarterback? Or did Lynn Swan make him look good? Think about that. It's not always the quarterback. Sometimes the great supporting cast can make a quarterback look really good.

Not particularly. Stallworth did a lot more than Swann.

Little premature on supporting cast. That team sported 15 HoFers.

 

[jcs1311991]

The one thing Oz irritates me with his is zoning in on one receiver and if he isn't open going straight to his 3rd check down. He needs to look left then if he's not there look right if he's not there then look for the check down. That or get out of the pocket for the throw away. He actually has good footwork for his size but his mentality just isn't there yet. And what scares me is it isn't the system, it's the player. It's almost like he's scared to make a mistake, thinking a pic in a game will ruin his chance to start. If you have that mentality you will be always be mediocre. He has to take risks down the field which he showed in the game vs the Saints thankfully. I'm not jumping off the Oz train yet but he needs to widen his range when scanning the field and stop locking in on one receiver waiting to get open if not there checking down to a covered running back 2 yards from the line of scrimmage. Because as the season goes on Defenses will see that tendency and will give a receiver cushion just to jump the route. .

 

[Double Barrel]

Agreed. There's nothing quick about it. DoubleB is talking about a quick read, being decisive.

A quick release refers to the time from when a QB decides to throw the ball & when it's actually released. Usually measured in milliseconds.

From the time he starts to cocks the ball back... or in Osweiler's case, when he starts his wind up.

Just to clarify my use of "quick release", it is a term often used in football to time the point of the snap to the point of releasing the ball in a pass. Also called a fast release.

Fast releases for Peyton Manning, Tom Brady have propelled their NFL careers

fwiw, the article mentions Manning's release (point of receiving snap to point of releasing the pass) is 2.33 seconds. Brady was clocked on average at 2.47 seconds.

Here is Tony Dungy talking about it from the article:

“These guys, you can’t overestimate how smart they are,” said Tony Dungy, an NFL analyst for NBC and former NFL coach. “The whole process of reading and figuring out the coverage and deciding where to go with the ball, they do it so much faster than most quarterbacks in the NFL. They’re all processing the same information and the same reads, but they’re doing it at warp speed so they don’t have to hold the ball.”

The only thing true you said regarding O'bs selection of Osweiler is that he didn't get to interview him before signing him. He watched more than just a few games, he watched every snap, all his preseason games, & all his college games... & O'b talked to all Osweiler's coaches going back to high school.

O'Brien also saw Brock first hand during both the 2014 and 2015 preseasons when the Texans and Broncos practiced together before playing preseason games.

I'm going to ask this question. Was Terry Bradshaw a good quarterback? Or did Lynn Swan make him look good? Think about that. It's not always the quarterback. Sometimes the great supporting cast can make a quarterback look really good. Osweiler has that supporting cast. All he has to do is manage the game and get the ball to that amazing supporting cast. He'll look like the teams salvation because of his playmakers.

I think the o-line is going to be the biggest supporting cast component to make or break Brock's success this season. Right now, it is spotty and a huge concern for me. Brock had better have a quick release with his passes or he risks taking a lot of hard hits. The dude is not known for his scrambling abilities, and at 6'8", I don't want to see him crumpled too many times.

 

[Texecutioner]

It won't be all on Osweiler. These incredible new receivers we have, that speedy, powerful backfield we have will make Osweiler look good. He won't have to be great with all the weapons he'll have at his disposal. All he'll have to do is get the ball to his playmakers and let them do there thang. They will make him look allot better then he is.

Well lets hold off on calling these new WR's incredible. THey haven't proven squat yet. WR's are busts every year. I remember the nauseum years ago on this site when we drafted those other bums like Keyshawn Martin and Devier Posey. Everyone was acting like they were Pro Bowlers in here practically before they ever played a down all because we needed WR's really bad and they wanted those guys to work out so bad, but it was nothing but hopeful analysis without much substance. Before that, you couldn't tell people that Jacoby Jones wasn't going to be the next Randy Moss in here all because he had a great pre season. We all know what a disaster he was. I know that we drafted some nice talent, and I am pretty hopeful and excited to see what they end up doing but we have no idea of how they'll turn out. A lot of receivers with Fuller's type of skill set end up being pretty average. Then every now and then you see a great explosive talent like Desean Jackson or Mike Wallace so lets hope that Fuller can be that kind of guy. But we also see guys like Fuller end up being like Ted Ginn as well. Either way I'm excited to see what happens.

 

[Texecutioner]

It won't be all on Osweiler. These incredible new receivers we have, that speedy, powerful backfield we have will make Osweiler look good. He won't have to be great with all the weapons he'll have at his disposal. All he'll have to do is get the ball to his playmakers and let them do there thang. They will make him look allot better then he is.

Well lets hold off on calling these new WR's incredible. THey haven't proven squat yet. WR's are busts every year. I remember the nauseum years ago on this site when we drafted those other bums like Keyshawn Martin and Devier Posey. Everyone was acting like they were Pro Bowlers in here practically before they ever played a down all because we needed WR's really bad and they wanted those guys to work out so bad, but it was nothing but hopeful analysis without much substance. Before that, you couldn't tell people that Jacoby Jones wasn't going to be the next Randy Moss in here all because he had a great pre season. We all know what a disaster he was. I know that we drafted some nice talent, and I am pretty hopeful and excited to see what they end up doing but we have no idea of how they'll turn out. A lot of receivers with Fuller's type of skill set end up being pretty average. Then every now and then you see a great explosive talent like Desean Jackson or Mike Wallace so lets hope that Fuller can be that kind of guy. But we also see guys like Fuller end up being like Ted Ginn as well. Either way I'm excited to see what happens.

 

[Texecutioner]

I think the o-line is going to be the biggest supporting cast component to make or break Brock's success this season. Right now, it is spotty and a huge concern for me. Brock had better have a quick release with his passes or he risks taking a lot of hard hits. The dude is not known for his scrambling abilities, and at 6'8", I don't want to see him crumpled too many times.

Valid concern for sure DB. THis is something that is hardly being talked about as well.

 

[Texansballer74]

I'm going to ask this question. Was Terry Bradshaw a good quarterback? Or did Lynn Swan make him look good? Think about that. It's not always the quarterback. Sometimes the great supporting cast can make a quarterback look really good. Osweiler has that supporting cast. All he has to do is manage the game and get the ball to that amazing supporting cast. He'll look like the teams salvation because of his playmakers.

Here's another question: was Troy Aikman a great quarterback as well?

Jam please stop making sense around these parts.

You know I'm on board with what's going on at Kirby. This team will be very exciting this season going forward.

 

[Texecutioner]

I'm going to ask this question. Was Terry Bradshaw a good quarterback? Or did Lynn Swan make him look good? Think about that. It's not always the quarterback. Sometimes the great supporting cast can make a quarterback look really good. Osweiler has that supporting cast. All he has to do is manage the game and get the ball to that amazing supporting cast. He'll look like the teams salvation because of his playmakers.

We don't know that Oz has the supporting case yet other than Lamar Miller and Hopkins. The rest of these guys are just rookies with speed and potential. You keep talking as if it is an absolute that they'll be great players. Did you say the same thing about Martin and Lestar Jean when they were being hyped up? Jacoby Jones? Lets see what these guys can do in the regular season before acting like they are great players.

 

[steelbtexan]

Well lets hold off on calling these new WR's incredible. THey haven't proven squat yet. WR's are busts every year. I remember the nauseum years ago on this site when we drafted those other bums like Keyshawn Martin and Devier Posey. Everyone was acting like they were Pro Bowlers in here practically before they ever played a down all because we needed WR's really bad and they wanted those guys to work out so bad, but it was nothing but hopeful analysis without much substance. Before that, you couldn't tell people that Jacoby Jones wasn't going to be the next Randy Moss in here all because he had a great pre season. We all know what a disaster he was. I know that we drafted some nice talent, and I am pretty hopeful and excited to see what they end up doing but we have no idea of how they'll turn out. A lot of receivers with Fuller's type of skill set end up being pretty average. Then every now and then you see a great explosive talent like Desean Jackson or Mike Wallace so lets hope that Fuller can be that kind of guy. But we also see guys like Fuller end up being like Ted Ginn as well. Either way I'm excited to see what happens.

My best guess is these guys will be better than Posey/Martin. They're faster/quicker and more athletic. Fuller can take the top off of a defense, something the Texans have never had minus AJ. Jacoby's career wasn't what it should've been after the Colts punter broke his collar bone and he started playing with an aversion for catching the ball in traffic. That and the fact that he was partying until he was passing out at the wheel/missing flights. Lets hope Fuller/Miller dont suffer the same fate. I'm guessing they wont since they have a much higher intelligence level than Jacoby.

 

[JamTex]

We don't know that Oz has the supporting case yet other than Lamar Miller and Hopkins. The rest of these guys are just rookies with speed and potential. You keep talking as if it is an absolute that they'll be great players. Did you say the same thing about Martin and Lestar Jean when they were being hyped up? Jacoby Jones? Lets see what these guys can do in the regular season before acting like they are great players.

Actually, Jean, Posey, Jones, Martin all had talent, but none had the speed, desire or work ethic. They were not even in the same class of rookies as Fuller and Miller. The intangibles of them are worlds apart. Osweiler will have at least Hopkins and L miller. A very seriously threatening trio if no one else steps up. I just don't see this rookie class not stepping up. Don't forget the tight end Anderson. He is a real pass catcher. Hilliard is a very good power runner with really good vision. Hunt will be a very good return man and a great back out of the backfield on passing plays. The supporting cast is in place. Osweiler will have some great threats to get the ball to. They will make him look really good.

 

[Texecutioner]

Actually, Jean, Posey, Jones, Martin all had talent, but none had the speed, desire or work ethic. They were not even in the same class of rookies as Fuller and Miller. The intangibles of them are worlds apart. Osweiler will have at least Hopkins and L miller. A very seriously threatening trio if no one else steps up. I just don't see this rookie class not stepping up. Don't forget the tight end Anderson. He is a real pass catcher. Hilliard is a very good power runner with really good vision. Hunt will be a very good return man and a great back out of the backfield on passing plays. The supporting cast is in place. Osweiler will have some great threats to get the ball to. They will make him look really good.

I agree with everything you and Steel both documented.

I just had an issue with the way you were talking about these rooks in absolutes like it is a guarantee that these guys will be ballers. I think Fuller has the most potential for sure, but again a lot of those types of receivers end up being one trick ponies and average receivers if they can't beat the 5 yard jam. Braxton Miller has a lot of work to get acclimated into the slot. I like the potential a lot, and I agree the liklihood of them being busts compared to those other guys are a lot lower for sure. All I'm saying is that we shouldn't be counting our chickens just yet with these guys. Lets let them prove their worth in the regular season first. I think they eventually will, but we see WR busts all the time.

 

[Texansballer74]

We don't know that Oz has the supporting case yet other than Lamar Miller and Hopkins. The rest of these guys are just rookies with speed and potential. You keep talking as if it is an absolute that they'll be great players. Did you say the same thing about Martin and Lestar Jean when they were being hyped up? Jacoby Jones? Lets see what these guys can do in the regular season before acting like they are great players.

True but my gut feeling is saying Fuller and Braxton will be major contributors for us this season and for years to come.

Along with Anderson of course.

 

[mmwest63]

Well lets hold off on calling these new WR's incredible. THey haven't proven squat yet. WR's are busts every year. I remember the nauseum years ago on this site when we drafted those other bums like Keyshawn Martin and Devier Posey. Everyone was acting like they were Pro Bowlers in here practically before they ever played a down all because we needed WR's really bad and they wanted those guys to work out so bad, but it was nothing but hopeful analysis without much substance. Before that, you couldn't tell people that Jacoby Jones wasn't going to be the next Randy Moss in here all because he had a great pre season. We all know what a disaster he was. I know that we drafted some nice talent, and I am pretty hopeful and excited to see what they end up doing but we have no idea of how they'll turn out. A lot of receivers with Fuller's type of skill set end up being pretty average. Then every now and then you see a great explosive talent like Desean Jackson or Mike Wallace so lets hope that Fuller can be that kind of guy. But we also see guys like Fuller end up being like Ted Ginn as well. Either way I'm excited to see what happens.

Martin and Posey did not not draw half the excitement fans have for Miller and Fuller. I am nowhere close to being a scout but sometimes you can just tell when you see a ball player in the making. I think they'll both be good.


DUCK FALLAS

 

[Texecutioner]

True but my gut feeling is saying Fuller and Braxton will be major contributors for us this season and for years to come.

Along with Anderson of course.

You do realize that rookie wr's rarely are ever "major" contributers as rookies don't you? The WR position and the CB position Are two of the hardest positions to transition to in the NFL. I'm not saying they can't do it, but I'd curb those expectations some based on the history of that position.

 

[Texansballer74]

You do realize that rookie wr's rarely are ever "major" contributers as rookies don't you? The WR position and the CB position Are two of the hardest positions to transition to in the NFL. I'm not saying they can't do it, but I'd curb those expectations some based on the history of that position.

1. I can name a lot of receivers who contributed right off the bat.

2. You do know Hopkins will be drawing a lot of attention. Therefore, both Miller and Fuller will see a lot of single coverage. Both have shown they are very capable of winning that battle. They will also see a lot of zone coverage as well.

3. That's why I said gut feeling. Does that mean it will happen. No sir but it's not unachievable either.

 

[Rich Schmidt]

I choose to be hopeful. I see proven elite athletes at WR that show every day they want to work to be great. They also are not prima donnas, but lunch pail guys. So staying hopeful. I think the other WR's like Martin, Jean, and Posey were all fall below these athletes and work ethic

 

[Texian]

The only thing true you said regarding O'bs selection of Osweiler is that he didn't get to interview him before signing him. He watched more than just a few games, he watched every snap, all his preseason games, & all his college games... & O'b talked to all Osweiler's coaches going back to high school.

A thorough due diligence and complete background check was not really required. Bill and Rick were under orders to find and sign the best QB they could find regardless. Bob was adamant in that he was not going to watch another Texans game like the one he last watched before he gave the order.

 

[DBCooper]

A thorough due diligence and complete background check was not really required. Bill and Rick were under orders to find and sign the best QB they could find regardless. Bob was adamant in that he was not going to watch another Texans game like the one he last watched before he gave the order.

And after 3 years of putrid QB play and having to endure that debacle to KC, if I owned the team I'd be pissed too.

Anyone would be.

 

[DBCooper]

And there are enough scouting reports on every player in the NFL that they knew exactly who Oz is.

 

[infantrycak]

And after 3 years of putrid QB play and having to endure that debacle to KC, if I owned the team I'd be pissed too.

Anyone would be.

Plus McNair had seen QB as the greatest need for the team since 2013. He deferred to OB for 2 years and finally said sh!t or get off the pot in year 3 (very possibly with 100% agreement from OB).

The way Texian says it always implies forced. Where there is complete agreement there is no force.

 

[chenjy9]

I choose to be hopeful. I see proven elite athletes at WR that show every day they want to work to be great. They also are not prima donnas, but lunch pail guys. So staying hopeful. I think the other WR's like Martin, Jean, and Posey were all fall below these athletes and work ethic

This is why I am thankful that we typically look for high character athletes with great work ethics, especially this year's draft. All the guys we got know that the hard work just started. It took Strong a season to turn the corner, but he is looking like a real good pick too. Man I am so EXCITED!

 

[chenjy9]

People seem to forget that we don't need a great QB. We just need a QB who won't **** the bed like Hoyer did. A lot of people seem to forget that as bad a performance Hoyer turned in, we were still very much in the game going into halftime due to our amazing D. Oz does not need to be great, he just needs to be good. While I would love an Rodgers, Brady, or Newton, I will be more than happy to take a Flacco, pre-injury Schaub, or Big Ben.

 

[Texian]

Plus McNair had seen QB as the greatest need for the team since 2013. He deferred to OB for 2 years and finally said sh!t or get off the pot in year 3 (very possibly with 100% agreement from OB).

The way Texian says it always implies forced. Where there is complete agreement there is no force.

Imagine for a moment it is after the KC loss and it is the first time that Bill, Rick and Bob have convened in Bob's office. How exactly do you think that conversation went? Would it be surprising if Bill and Rick left Bob's office saying Yes Sir, Yes Sir, three bags full sir? I for one don't think it was a congenial visit with tea and crumpets.

 

[infantrycak]

Imagine for a moment it is after the KC loss and it is the first time that Bill, Rick and Bob have convened in Bob's office. How exactly do you think that conversation went? Would it be surprising if Bill and Rick left Bob's office saying Yes Sir, Yes Sir, three bags full sir? I for one don't think it was a congenial visit with tea and crumpets.

Or on the way off the field OB said to Bob "we gotta get a real f'ken QB" and Bob said "you're GD right. Do what you gotta do."

 

[Texansballer74]

Imagine for a moment it is after the KC loss and it is the first time that Bill, Rick and Bob have convened in Bob's office. How exactly do you think that conversation went? Would it be surprising if Bill and Rick left Bob's office saying Yes Sir, Yes Sir, three bags full sir? I for one don't think it was a congenial visit with tea and crumpets.

The boss man spoke and had every right to do so. If your boss come in tell you to so something. What are you going to do, ignore him and your own thing? Better yet if you own your own business and things are not working as planned. I'm pretty sure you will step in and make some changes right?

 

[Texansballer74]

Imagine for a moment it is after the KC loss and it is the first time that Bill, Rick and Bob have convened in Bob's office. How exactly do you think that conversation went? Would it be surprising if Bill and Rick left Bob's office saying Yes Sir, Yes Sir, three bags full sir? I for one don't think it was a congenial visit with tea and crumpets.

The boss man spoke and had every right to do so. If your boss come in tell you to so something. What are you going to do, ignore him and your own thing? Better yet if you own your own business and things are not working as planned. I'm pretty sure you will step in and make some changes right?

 

[Texian]

The boss man spoke and had every right to do so. If your boss come in tell you to so something. What are you going to do, ignore him and your own thing? Better yet if you own your own business and things are not working as planned. I'm pretty sure you will step in and make some changes right?

You're preaching to the Choir and making my point.

 

[Texian]

Or on the way off the field OB said to Bob "we gotta get a real f'ken QB" and Bob said "you're GD right. Do what you gotta do."

but he didn't say it with any force or anger. Hell did Bob even go down on the field after that game?

 

[infantrycak]

The bottom line is we don't know what went down. Nothing about who initiated any discussion, whether there was any disagreement, nothing.

Frankly if I'm OB and my boy just cratered that bad I would have been stalking McNair for an opportunity to get 1st word we needed a new QB. That's why your silent OB waits to walk into a meeting to receive an ass chewing directive doesn’t seem realistic to me.

 

[DBCooper]

The bottom line is we don't know what went down. Nothing about who initiated any discussion, whether there was any disagreement, nothing.

Frankly if I'm OB and my boy just cratered that bad I would have been stalking McNair for an opportunity to get 1st word we needed a new QB. That's why your silent OB waits to walk into a meeting to receive an ass chewing directive doesn’t seem realistic to me.

And at the end of the day it doesn't matter.

I think we got the best QB available.

No way we were going to be able to trade up. Would have taken way too much.

 

[thunderkyss]

A thorough due diligence and complete background check was not really required. Bill and Rick were under orders to find and sign the best QB they could find regardless. Bob was adamant in that he was not going to watch another Texans game like the one he last watched before he gave the order.

How can they sign the best QB they can find without doing their due diligence?

Would you argue they didn't do their due diligence had they simply waited for the draft & settled for whoever fell to them, be it Lynch, Hackenberg, or Prescott? Not even putting in a bid on Osweiler?

 

[thunderkyss]

While I would love an Rodgers, Brady, or Newton, I will be more than happy to take a Flacco, pre-injury Schaub, or Big Ben.

Ben Roethlisberger is a baller. There was a time when he'd buy time & make stuff happen with his legs & size, but he's developed into a fine pocket passer.

 

[thunderkyss]

Imagine for a moment it is after the KC loss and it is the first time that Bill, Rick and Bob have convened in Bob's office. How exactly do you think that conversation went? Would it be surprising if Bill and Rick left Bob's office saying Yes Sir, Yes Sir, three bags full sir? I for one don't think it was a congenial visit with tea and crumpets.

Regardless, I doubt the edict was to overpay Brock Osweiler. They were told to get a QB.

I could understand your argument had they gone through the motions & drafted a QB, any QB in the 1st round.

 

[thunderkyss]

Or on the way off the field OB said to Bob "we gotta get a real f'ken QB" and Bob said "you're GD right. Do what you gotta do."

Or, "Don't limit yourself to the draft. Money's no object. You tell Rick who you want, it's his job to make it happen. "

 

[thunderkyss]

And at the end of the day it doesn't matter.

I think we got the best QB available.

No way we were going to be able to trade up. Would have taken way too much.

Nothing's too much for a franchise QB. If you think it's "too much" then you don't think he's a franchise QB.

 

[ChampionTexan]

And at the end of the day it doesn't matter.

I think we got the best QB available.

No way we were going to be able to trade up. Would have taken way too much.

Nothing's too much for a franchise QB. If you think it's "too much" then you don't think he's a franchise QB.

If you only think he's a franchise QB, then he's not a franchise QB, and as I recall, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, and Ben Roethlisberger weren't a part of this year's draft class.

Now Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, or maybe even Paxton Lynch, Dak Prescott or some other QB(s) from the 2016 draft class might be a franchise QB some day, but they might not, and whether they ever will be, they sure as hell aren't now.

 

[Texansballer74]

And at the end of the day it doesn't matter.

I think we got the best QB available.

No way we were going to be able to trade up. Would have taken way too much.

Coop Exactly.

And under all these different circumstances Coach has done a great job.

 

[Texian]

How can they sign the best QB they can find without doing their due diligence?

Would you argue they didn't do their due diligence had they simply waited for the draft & settled for whoever fell to them, be it Lynch, Hackenberg, or Prescott? Not even putting in a bid on Osweiler?

I didn't say they didn't do due diligence maybe it just wasn't as full and complete being they were under direct orders and maybe some duress to find and sign the best QB available.

 

[Texansballer74]

I didn't say they didn't do due diligence maybe it just wasn't as full and complete being they were under direct orders and maybe some duress to find and sign the best QB available.

Hey it got the job done correct. And guess what, that's all that matters.

Let's go Texans

 

[DBCooper]

Nothing's too much for a franchise QB. If you think it's "too much" then you don't think he's a franchise QB.

I don't know if this class had a true "franchise" QB.

We will just have to wait and see.

I for one am very happy with them going out and getting Brock.

We could have ButtFumble starting this year.

 

[speedfreek]

I just hope Oz can survive behind our o-line.
He doesn't strike me as a guy that is going to make plays with his feet.

 

[ObsiWan]

Dude. It's a ******* practice game. It's nothing like a damn regular season game.

Has nothing to do with opinion, it's fact. Damn! Some of you people act like you've never even heard of the game of football.

But whatever. I done going back and forth with someone who thinks a damn preseason game has any semblance to that of a regular season game.

Enjoy the game.

But even in practice games you have objectives. I would think (hope like hell) that in our preseason games the coaching staff want to see how certain grouping of players work together; i.e., do we run Shorts or Mumphrey or B. Miller? Which two TEs work best together on running downs vs. passing downs? Which RB will make the best 3rd down back, Ervin? Grimes? Hilliard? You know stuff like that.

Now obviously that's not the "how do we best attack the opposition" type game plan most folk typically think of, but it IS a game plan. So I don't think its correct to say there's NO game plan because it's preseason.

 

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I just hope Oz can survive behind our o-line.
He doesn't strike me as a guy that is going to make plays with his feet.

Actually part of the scouting on him is he has surprising mobility for his size.