Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!

[Texansballer74]

He was a backup alright.
He only got to play because Manning got injured.
Keenum got the chance when Schaub sucked.
But at the end of the day, they were both backups at the time.

If Keenum remained unproven, then so should Osweiler be.
You think his 5-2 is legit (O'Brien and Rich Smith seem to concur), but I (and some others) don't.

I strongly believe that Keenum can achieve a similar results in that same situation (maybe not quite as good, maybe a little better.)

Guess what?
The Rams didn't risk anywhere near the money the Texans did on an "unproven" QB. And they drafted a player that has a fairly good chance to be a top 10 QB in his own time.

The Texans took the low percentage play.
Osweiler is more apt to stay a mediocre QB, and the Texans still don't have an answer at QB - as usual.

Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Tom Brady and a host of many others came in as backups.

So please help a brother out with why you are using this term. What is your purpose?

 

[xtruroyaltyx]

I know we are only 2 preseason games in with Osweiler as the starter, but I have not been impressed and am not hopeful. I've watched every snap he has taken and on every drop back I have seen him take he locks onto one receiver. I have yet to see his head swivel while in the pocket and it scares the hell out of me. Granted we are working with a makeshift line so far, but there have been instances where he did have some time in the pocket. The play that comes to mind is the pick he threw against the Saints in the end zone. He locked onto the receiver and still threw into tight coverage. Hopefully I am wrong in what I am seeing and if I'm not hopefully this is something he works on or gets better when starters get plugged back into the line. Who knows maybe I'm crazy.

Tbh I haven't noticed that.

Not saying you're wrong, but I'm just saying I haven't noticed that. Matter of fact I think I recall him going through some reads last game but that aside...lets talk football....

Peyton wasnt a guy that went through a bunch of reads all the time after the snap. Why? Because a lot of times before the snap he could already tell where he needed to go with the ball. There's nothing wrong with that as long as you're able to adjust if the defense gives you something other than what you thought and can adapt on the fly.

Specifically, on the throw that was picked, Theres a few things....

In regular season I don't think we go for that in that situation and if we do, I don't think it'll be a fade to fuller. We called a timeout before that so it could have (and looked like) a called play. It wasn't a good ball so I'd be more concerned about the placement there rather than the decision making.


I think OS does one thing well that you HAVE to do in order to be an elite qb. He handles pressure very, very well. It doesn't seem to bother him much.

 

[thunderkyss]

I can say this much fwiw...
Having lived in Colorado for the past two years I can attest to the FACT that 100% of the people that I knew and spoke with were absolutely sick about Oz leaving Denver. They believed that he was the future of the franchise and were extremely upset about us getting him. Again, fwiw.

Here is a thread started before that San Diego game.

That board's opinion of him changed big time after FA.

 

[thunderkyss]

 

[Double Barrel]

Tbh I haven't noticed that.

Not saying you're wrong, but I'm just saying I haven't noticed that. Matter of fact I think I recall him going through some reads last game but that aside...lets talk football....

Peyton wasnt a guy that went through a bunch of reads all the time after the snap. Why? Because a lot of times before the snap he could already tell where he needed to go with the ball. There's nothing wrong with that as long as you're able to adjust if the defense gives you something other than what you thought and can adapt on the fly.

Specifically, on the throw that was picked, Theres a few things....

In regular season I don't think we go for that in that situation and if we do, I don't think it'll be a fade to fuller. We called a timeout before that so it could have (and looked like) a called play. It wasn't a good ball so I'd be more concerned about the placement there rather than the decision making.


I think OS does one thing well that you HAVE to do in order to be an elite qb. He handles pressure very, very well. It doesn't seem to bother him much.

Excellent points. Brady and Manning have often been praised over the years for having very quick releases. They are not dropping back and scanning the field. They pretty much know who they are going to target before the ball is snapped.

Fast releases for Peyton Manning, Tom Brady have propelled their NFL careers

Snap. Catch. Chop, chop, chop. Earhole. Throw.

It takes longer to type what Peyton Manning does from snap to release than it does for him to get rid of the ball.

Don’t call Manning the quickest draw in the West. He has the fastest release of any NFL quarterback in the West, East, Midwest, North and South. On average, Manning delivers his pass, snap to release, in 2.33 seconds — 0.17 of a second faster than his average release time last season, his first with the Broncos, and nearly a tenth of a second faster than the league’s next-quickest trigger this season, Jacksonville quarterback Chad “Ready, Set, Hit Me” Henne.

“I’ve always believed that quarterbacks have to be fast thinkers,” Manning said. “Be able to make quick decisions, kind of ‘fast-twitched’ was a term I was taught at a young age at quarterback, being a ‘fast-twitched’ thinker and decision-maker.”

Snap. Grab. Long stride. Throw.

Last season, New England’s Tom Brady had the fastest average release at 2.47 seconds. Manning ranked second at 2.50. (This season, Brady is tied for sixth at 2.54.)

Full Article

 

[Luv_ya_blue]

Here is a thread started before that San Diego game.

That board's opinion of him changed big time after FA.

I never went to their board.
That's very possible.
Just making an observation from general fans and what not that I knew personally or spoke with face-to-face in passing.

 

[thunderkyss]

On the Texans verses Cardinals thread my boy Jam started. I stated that this game will be not only a tough test but our true test.

I remember one preseason we whipped the Saints. Then they whipped us in the regular season.

 

[Mr teX]

people just need to understand he's gonna be a work in progress all season..but for where's he's at now I think he's fine. I especially like how fast the ball came out of his hands on that bubble screen pass to Miller. All the years watching slow ass Schaub execute that pass has made me forget how fast it's really supposed to come out.

The way Oz threw it, looked like they were going for a back shoulder throw on that int..can't tell exactly what happened, looked like it was more on fuller though & just a great play by PJ Williams.

The only thing i'm concerned about with him right now is when he has missed, he's missed high. Fairly sure its a mechanics thing, but he's got to get that under control going forward.

 

[texan279]

Tbh I haven't noticed that.

Not saying you're wrong, but I'm just saying I haven't noticed that. Matter of fact I think I recall him going through some reads last game but that aside...lets talk football....

Peyton wasnt a guy that went through a bunch of reads all the time after the snap. Why? Because a lot of times before the snap he could already tell where he needed to go with the ball. There's nothing wrong with that as long as you're able to adjust if the defense gives you something other than what you thought and can adapt on the fly.

Specifically, on the throw that was picked, Theres a few things....

In regular season I don't think we go for that in that situation and if we do, I don't think it'll be a fade to fuller. We called a timeout before that so it could have (and looked like) a called play. It wasn't a good ball so I'd be more concerned about the placement there rather than the decision making.


I think OS does one thing well that you HAVE to do in order to be an elite qb. He handles pressure very, very well. It doesn't seem to bother him much.

Here is a link to every pass Os threw against the Saints. It seems every pass he threw he stared the receiver down and made the throw except for 2 plays, one was a check down to the back. I hope I am wrong in what I am seeing, but it just appears his mind is made up before the snap as to where he is going with the ball and he rarely if ever looks for a second or third option.

 

[thunderkyss]

Peyton wasnt a guy that went through a bunch of reads all the time after the snap. Why? Because a lot of times before the snap he could already tell where he needed to go with the ball. There's nothing wrong with that as long as you're able to adjust if the defense gives you something other than what you thought and can adapt on the fly.

Not only that, but in his offense, he usually had two routes that would stress one defender. Some would argue he was staring down his receiver, but what I believe he was really doing, was staring down that defender, waiting for him to commit to one route or the other. Whichever route he picked, Peyton threw it to the other.

Here on this board, we'd roast that defender for not being where he was supposed to be.. but he was in a no win situation.

Kubiak drew up a lot of plays like that, I'm sure all OC's do... which is why we've got to take what we've seen with a grain of salt. Preseason is checkers. Regular season is chess. They look similar, but when you get down to it, totally different games.

 

[Texansballer74]

He was a backup alright.
He only got to play because Manning got injured.
Keenum got the chance when Schaub sucked.
But at the end of the day, they were both backups at the time.

If Keenum remained unproven, then so should Osweiler be.
You think his 5-2 is legit (O'Brien and Rich Smith seem to concur), but I (and some others) don't.

I strongly believe that Keenum can achieve a similar results in that same situation (maybe not quite as good, maybe a little better.)

Guess what?
The Rams didn't risk anywhere near the money the Texans did on an "unproven" QB. And they drafted a player that has a fairly good chance to be a top 10 QB in his own time.

The Texans took the low percentage play.
Osweiler is more apt to stay a mediocre QB, and the Texans still don't have an answer at QB - as usual.

Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Tom Brady and a host of many others came in as backups.

So please help a brother out with why you are using this term. What is your purpose?

I remember one preseason we whipped the Saints. Then they whipped us in the regular season.

I remember that as well. We choked away a 20 point lead in the 4th quarter . Thank you Kubiak for going ultra conservative.

 

[76Texan]

Aaron Rodgers, Tony Romo, Tom Brady and a host of many others came in as backups.

So please help a brother out with why you are using this term. What is your purpose?

I only use it to describe how people view them.

My most controversy post of all time could have been:

: "If you think Case Keenum is worth it, than you should consider using a first rounder.'

How people perceive a QB at the time is their own choice (mine included).
To be honest, I was not into the NFL at the time those guys entered the NFL.

Tbh I haven't noticed that.

Not saying you're wrong, but I'm just saying I haven't noticed that. Matter of fact I think I recall him going through some reads last game but that aside...lets talk football....

Peyton wasnt a guy that went through a bunch of reads all the time after the snap. Why? Because a lot of times before the snap he could already tell where he needed to go with the ball. There's nothing wrong with that as long as you're able to adjust if the defense gives you something other than what you thought and can adapt on the fly.

Specifically, on the throw that was picked, Theres a few things....

In regular season I don't think we go for that in that situation and if we do, I don't think it'll be a fade to fuller. We called a timeout before that so it could have (and looked like) a called play. It wasn't a good ball so I'd be more concerned about the placement there rather than the decision making.


I think OS does one thing well that you HAVE to do in order to be an elite qb. He handles pressure very, very well. It doesn't seem to bother him much.

Sorry, my friend.

 

[Texansballer74]

people just need to understand he's gonna be a work in progress all season..but for where's he's at now I think he's fine. I especially like how fast the ball came out of his hands on that bubble screen pass to Miller. All the years watching slow ass Schaub execute that pass has made me forget how fast it's really supposed to come out.

The way Oz threw it, looked like they were going for a back shoulder throw on that int..can't tell exactly what happened, looked like it was more on fuller though & just a great play by PJ Williams.

The only thing i'm concerned about with him right now is when he has missed, he's missed high. Fairly sure its a mechanics thing, but he's got to get that under control going forward.

Great observation all around.

 

[JB]

Here is a link to every pass Os threw against the Saints. It seems every pass he threw he stared the receiver down and made the throw except for 2 plays, one was a check down to the back. I hope I am wrong in what I am seeing, but it just appears his mind is made up before the snap as to where he is going with the ball and he rarely if ever looks for a second or third option.

That's been the case of every QB in a Texans uniform ever.... and also see Brady and Manning do it a lot

 

[Double Barrel]

Here is a link to every pass Os threw against the Saints. It seems every pass he threw he stared the receiver down and made the throw except for 2 plays, one was a check down to the back. I hope I am wrong in what I am seeing, but it just appears his mind is made up before the snap as to where he is going with the ball and he rarely if ever looks for a second or third option.

Thanks for this!

I guess it depends on your chosen perspective. I did not see a lot of happy feet dancing in the back field. He drops back and releases. This is the nature of a quick release pass. Take a stop watch and time them. The balls are literally released 2-3 seconds after the snaps.

 

[76Texan]

Now, what I really like is that there are always people to share the passion.

It is what makes me stick around.

 

[texan279]

Thanks for this!

I guess it depends on your chosen perspective. I did not see a lot of happy feet dancing in the back field. He drops back and releases. This is the nature of a quick release pass. Take a stop watch and time them. The balls are literally released 2-3 seconds after the snaps.

You are correct. And maybe I am just knit picking being that we are only 2 weeks into preseason. My main issue in the Saints game was the INT in the end zone. I would have liked to see him check a second or third option instead of throwing into the tight coverage.

 

[Texecutioner]

I hate Oz's release personally. It is ugly as hell and it annoys me.

That being said Rivers has the worst I've ever seen and he is great. So it isn't quite as important as many of us make it out to be.

 

[texan279]

That's been the case of every QB in a Texans uniform ever.... and also see Brady and Manning do it a lot

I checked YouTube for Savage highlights from last Saturday but could not locate any. Savage appeared to be surveying the field almost every drop back from what I recall, maybe I'm wrong. Regardless maybe it's just 2 different styles of QB. As long as Os limits the turnovers I am good. It just scares me locking onto one receiver so much. Granted Manning did it and Brady does it like everyone has pointed out, but Os is not on that level.

 

[Insideop]

Yep! It's that time of the month... ah ah I mean year again! Just sit back and enjoy the show!

 

[Texansballer74]

You are correct. And maybe I am just knit picking being that we are only 2 weeks into preseason. My main issue in the Saints game was the INT in the end zone. I would have liked to see him check a second or third option instead of throwing into the tight coverage.

That particular play wasn't designed to go through his progression like that. He took one step back and released it. Fuller suppose to have inside position but the corner did an excellent job of winning that battle.

 

[thunderkyss]

I hate Oz's release personally. It is ugly as hell and it annoys me.

Agreed. There's nothing quick about it. DoubleB is talking about a quick read, being decisive.

A quick release refers to the time from when a QB decides to throw the ball & when it's actually released. Usually measured in milliseconds.

From the time he starts to cocks the ball back... or in Osweiler's case, when he starts his wind up.

 

[paycheck71]

Agreed. There's nothing quick about it. DoubleB is talking about a quick read, being decisive.

A quick release refers to the time from when a QB decides to throw the ball & when it's actually released. Usually measured in milliseconds.

From the time he starts to cocktail the ball back... or in Osweiler's case, when he starts his wind up.

The confusion between quick release and how long it takes to get the ball out after the snap always drove me nuts. The second depends on the offense, the play called, the kind of dropback, etc.

 

[Speedy]

On the Texans verses Cardinals thread my boy Jam started. I stated that this game will be not only a tough test but our true test. It's going to be interesting to see how Brock holds up against their stout front as well as being able to pick out their elite blitz schemes.

It's not going to be any kind of a test. It's going to be a PRACTICE that means nothing other than players getting ready for the regular season.

 

[thunderkyss]

It's not going to be any kind of a test. It's going to be a PRACTICE that means nothing other than players getting ready for the regular season.

I wonder if the opposing coaches go over basic game rules. Like, the first preseason game looked like man coverage, with safety help. & we threw & ran mostly to the outside. Nothing over the middle. Watching several games that weekend, I was shocked by how much zone blocking there was. Everybody was running outside the tackles it seemed (not everything was zone). I know we didn't throw over the middle against San Francisco, I didn't noticed if they threw over the middle to us. I don't think anyone ran inside the tackles in San Francisco.

Week 2, we saw more zone coverages, runs up the middle, throws over the middle.

I believe it used to be a rule you didn't blitz in week 1 of the preseason, then Rex Ryan became a head coach, Wade started doing it... now everyone does. But there's probably a gentleman's agreement like no back to back blitzes, or only on 2nd downs, or only after a first down or something.

I know they need to see their players play, but they all want to get out of the games as healthy as possible.

 

[False Start]

On the Texans verses Cardinals thread my boy Jam started. I stated that this game will be not only a tough test but our true test. It's going to be interesting to see how Brock holds up against their stout front as well as being able to pick out their elite blitz schemes.

Oh well were actually down 4 starting olinemen

Has anyone watched the Hard Knocks type show about the Cardinals on Amazon Prime, that followed them trough the whole season?

All or Nothing: A Season with the Arizona Cardinals

Its actually a really good watch. I binged the whole season in one weekend.

The Cards are really going to be a good test for this team and Os. They have a damn good defense.

 

[Texansballer74]

You are correct. And maybe I am just knit picking being that we are only 2 weeks into preseason. My main issue in the Saints game was the INT in the end zone. I would have liked to see him check a second or third option instead of throwing into the tight coverage.

That particular play wasn't designed to go through his progression like that. He took one step back and released it. Fuller suppose to have inside position but the corner did an excellent job of winning that battle.

It's not going to be any kind of a test. It's going to be a PRACTICE that means nothing other than players getting ready for the regular season.

Normally in preseason game 3, teams play their starters for 3 straight quarters because they won't play none in the 4th preseason game. This game is used to hopefully build up cohesiveness and chemistry. They will attack this game like it's a regular season game.

 

[steelbtexan]

I asked before the draft when this conversation was even semi relevant and got no answer - has any team ever traded up from 21 or lower to 1?

I dont think so,

I do remember the Cowboys trading up to #2 for Dorsett.

 

[JB]

I dont think so,

I do remember the Cowboys trading up to #2 for Dorsett.

Cowboys only traded up to #2 from #14

It cost them #14 and 3 second round picks... long before the value chart came into being

 

[steelbtexan]

Let's start slowly.

The Broncos were 4th in points allowed at 18.5

The Texans defense were 24th, at 26.8.
That's more than a TD per game

If Osweiler was with the Texans, would he had achieved the same 5-2 record? You tell me.

Skewed stats, tell me what the defensive stats were after the changes/Miami game were?

The Texans went 3-0 with backup QB's worse than Os, so yes I believe Os could've been atleast 5-2 if he had been on the Texans. Although I dont really understand the comparison you're trying to make.

 

[DX-TEX]

He was a backup alright.
He only got to play because Manning got injured.
Keenum got the chance when Schaub sucked.
But at the end of the day, they were both backups at the time.

If Keenum remained unproven, then so should Osweiler be.
You think his 5-2 is legit (O'Brien and Rich Smith seem to concur), but I (and some others) don't.

I strongly believe that Keenum can achieve a similar results in that same situation (maybe not quite as good, maybe a little better.)

Guess what?
The Rams didn't risk anywhere near the money the Texans did on an "unproven" QB. And they drafted a player that has a fairly good chance to be a top 10 QB in his own time.

The Texans took the low percentage play.
Osweiler is more apt to stay a mediocre QB, and the Texans still don't have an answer at QB - as usual.

 

[sandman]

Skewed stats, tell me what the defensive stats were after the changes/Miami game were?

The Texans went 3-0 with backup QB's worse than Os, so yes I believe Os could've been atleast 5-2 if he had been on the Texans. Although I dont really understand the comparison you're trying to make.

I'm pretty sure he was referring to the '13 defense when Keenum went 0-8.

 

[Speedy]

Normally in preseason game 3, teams play their starters for 3 straight quarters because they won't play none in the 4th preseason game. This game is used to hopefully build up cohesiveness and chemistry. They will attack this game like it's a regular season game.

As far as playing the most they'll play at game speed, yeah, there's that, but other than that it's still just a practice game that isn't going to give an indication one way or the other of what kind of team this is.

 

[Texansballer74]

As far as playing the most they'll play at game speed, yeah, there's that, but other than that it's still just a practice game that isn't going to give an indication one way or the other of what kind of team this is.

I didn't say it was either. I'm just saying they will play this game like it's a regular season game for 3 quarters.

 

[Speedy]

I didn't say it was either. I'm just saying they will play this game like it's a regular season game for 3 quarters.

The starters play longer. That's the only similarity to the regular season. There's no game planning like a RS game or anything like that. It's just a damn practice where the 1s are on the field more, getting tuned up. That's it.

 

[Thorsson]

Has Osweiler earned the starting QB position? Of course not. It was given to him because the Texans are paying him $tens of millions. Is Osweiler the best QB on this time? I don't think so from what I've seen.

According to O'Brien's hypocritical logic, Savage should be the starter because he's been in the system longer. O'Brien claims Savage is the backup because "he's been in the system longer than Weeden." Well with that reasoning, Osweiler should be #3 because he's been in the system the shortest.

The bottom line is winning, and if Osweiler can't win with this defense and these speedy, talented wide receivers, then he should lose "his" starting job.

 

[Texansballer74]

The starters play longer. That's the only similarity to the regular season. There's no game planning like a RS game or anything like that. It's just a damn practice where the 1s are on the field more, getting tuned up. That's it.

They will game plan for this game. And please let's not act like your opinion is the "be all -end all either.

 

[Texansballer74]

Has Osweiler earned the starting QB position? Of course not. It was given to him because the Texans are paying him $tens of millions. Is Osweiler the best QB on this time? I don't think so from what I've seen.

According to O'Brien's hypocritical logic, Savage should be the starter because he's been in the system longer. O'Brien claims Savage is the backup because "he's been in the system longer than Weeden." Well with that reasoning, Osweiler should be #3 because he's been in the system the shortest.

The bottom line is winning, and if Osweiler can't win with this defense and these speedy, talented wide receivers, then he should lose "his" starting job.

They made a commitment just like many other teams. It had nothing to do with the amount of money they gave Brock.

I really don't understand why some many fans of the Texans are so bent out of shape with this signing.

As far as Savage, he's just a backup. If the Texans believed in his abilities they would not have brought Hoyer and Mallett in here to compete with one another for the starting job. Interesting Savage was not in the conversation. Then we follow that up with signing Brock to be the starter.

 

[Texian]

I really don't understand why some many fans of the Texans are so bent out of shape with this signing.

Some fans see it as the same old Bob McNair desperation panic move that is high risk and has high probability of setting the Texans back 3-5 years. Instead of making every effort of fixing the problem, once again they went with the band aid (that's why). It also came across as a rush to judgement. Where Kubiak interviewed every coach Schaub ever had and flew to California to interview Matt, O'Brien watched a game tape of OS and then said let's do it (that's why).

 

[DBCooper]

Some fans see it as the same old Bob McNair desperation panic move that is high risk and has high probability of setting the Texans back 3-5 years. Instead of making every effort of fixing the problem, once again they went with the band aid (that's why). It also came across as a rush to judgement. Where Kubiak interviewed every coach Schaub ever had and flew to California to interview Matt, O'Brien watched a game tape of OS and then said let's do it (that's why).

Better than giving away the next 2 years in draft picks in a high risk, high probability gamble on a rookie that has never played NFL football.

And you have no idea who Obrien talked to.

Doesn't matter though because McNair made all this happen anyway. Right?

 

[JamTex]

The Texans "Leap of Faith"!

Can't miss this article on the journey that brought Brock Osweiller to the Texans.

 

[thunderkyss]

It also came across as a rush to judgement. Where Kubiak interviewed every coach Schaub ever had and flew to California to interview Matt, O'Brien watched a game tape of OS and then said let's do it (that's why).

You were doing so good until you started making sht up again.

 

[Speedy]

They will game plan for this game. And please let's not act like your opinion is the "be all -end all either.

Dude. It's a ******* practice game. It's nothing like a damn regular season game.

Has nothing to do with opinion, it's fact. Damn! Some of you people act like you've never even heard of the game of football.

But whatever. I done going back and forth with someone who thinks a damn preseason game has any semblance to that of a regular season game.

Enjoy the game.

 

[JamTex]

I just don't know why so many are so dead set against Brock Osweiller. He's going to get better and better with every game. As he learns, corrects mistakes, studies film, works out rhythm and chemistry with his receivers, and gets the game plan together for each game, we will watch our franchise quarterback develop before our eyes. I'm convinced the Texans made the right decision with him. It's time everyone gets on board and starts supporting our quarterback. Have faith. It will work out. By the 5th or 6th game at the latest, we'll start seeing just what we have in a very explosive and dangerous offense with Brock leading the way.

 

[Texansballer74]

Some fans see it as the same old Bob McNair desperation panic move that is high risk and has high probability of setting the Texans back 3-5 years. Instead of making every effort of fixing the problem, once again they went with the band aid (that's why). It also came across as a rush to judgement. Where Kubiak interviewed every coach Schaub ever had and flew to California to interview Matt, O'Brien watched a game tape of OS and then said let's do it (that's why).

What other move did Mr. McNair panic on?

I thought the band aid helps to recover the womb. Leaving it exposed can be detrimental correct.

And besides, he allowed every coach to select their own quarterbacks. Didn't he not? Coach brought in Fitzpatrick, Hoyer and Mallett. How did that turn out for us. So I don't have any problem with the owner saying," enough is enough ".

But interesting to see fans taking a crap on this move because they do not agree with the owner.

How about we let this thing play out.

 

[Texansballer74]

Dude. It's a ******* practice game. It's nothing like a damn regular season game.

Has nothing to do with opinion, it's fact. Damn! Some of you people act like you've never even heard of the game of football.

But whatever. I done going back and forth with someone who thinks a damn preseason game has any semblance to that of a regular season game.

Enjoy the game.

Heard of it dude I actually played the damn game. And it is widely known that every team game plan for the third preseason game. The **** is not vanilla whatsoever.

And that's all gravy, it's not like I'm going to lose any sleep behind some joker tripping on a freaking sports forum. Better yet Ole buddy how about to just put me on your ignore list. That way you don't have to read anything I post.

Again dude they will treat this particular game like a regular season because next week the starters will not see any action.

 

[Texian]

You were doing so good until you started making sht up again.

I suggest you take the time to research Kubiak's involvement and the signing of Schaub process and then familiarize yourself with how O'Brien watched a few OS game tapes and then left to go to the Wisconsin Pro Day but never met face to face with OS before signing him. Sometimes sht turns out to be fact and truth.

 

[Texian]

What other move did Mr. McNair panic on?

I thought the band aid helps to recover the womb. Leaving it exposed can be detrimental correct.

And besides, he allowed every coach to select their own quarterbacks. Didn't he not? Coach brought in Fitzpatrick, Hoyer and Mallett. How did that turn out for us. So I don't have any problem with the owner saying," enough is enough ".

But interesting to see fans taking a crap on this move because they do not agree with the owner.

How about we let this thing play out.

The best panic move by McNair was hiring Wade Phillips, probably his worst was signing Ed Reed. Not really a panic move but McNair wanted David Carr to be the face of the franchise and why he gave no consideration to drafting Julius Peppers. In a fit of anger McNair fired Kubiak because he wouldn't play Case Keenum, I don't know if that was a panic move, more of an emotional one, when what he needed was a new QB and not a an entirely new coaching staff.

 

[steelbtexan]

What other move did Mr. McNair panic on?

I thought the band aid helps to recover the womb. Leaving it exposed can be detrimental correct.

And besides, he allowed every coach to select their own quarterbacks. Didn't he not? Coach brought in Fitzpatrick, Hoyer and Mallett. How did that turn out for us. So I don't have any problem with the owner saying," enough is enough ".

But interesting to see fans taking a crap on this move because they do not agree with the owner.

How about we let this thing play out.

I'm not crapping on the move, but I dont think there's any question about McNair panicing. Lets hope McNair gets lucky.

 

[Texansballer74]

The best panic move by McNair was hiring Wade Phillips, probably his worst was signing Ed Reed. Not really a panic move but McNair wanted David Carr to be the face of the franchise and why he gave no consideration to drafting Julius Peppers. In a fit of anger McNair fired Kubiak because he wouldn't play Case Keenum, I don't know if that was a panic move, more of an emotional one, when what he needed was a new QB and not a an entirely new coaching staff.

So after going 12-4, winning the division and winning a playoff game. Hmmm then going into the next season with Superbowl as the main topic. But instead it was an epic collapse of a season. You don't think that's the main reason why Kubiak was fired? (2-14)

So Peppers would have been the key to success for an expansion franchise. Carr would've been better if we had a decent Oline at that time. And if he didn't hold on to the ball too long at times.

Wade Phillips signing was good for our defense at that time.