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Official Brock Osweiler MVP Watch Thread!

ObsiWan said:
Mrs. Savage
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Mrs. Osweiler...
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hmmmm, tough call
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Depending on Mrs. Weeden, I might feel really good about our QB situation...
 
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steelbtexan said:
Fitz/Hoyer had their best seasons under BOB.
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Haha, you're such a kidder, steelb.

Fitz was hamstrung by OB to limit his errant throws.
However, by doing this, OB also made him a game manager.
Luckily for him; the trio of AJ, Hopkins, and Foster was complementing one another well and the O-line remained intact pretty much throughout.

Hoyer's stats were padded in garbage time.
The previous year in Cleveland, he was in many more close games, and his O-line was not the same after A. Mack went down.

And I also had to laugh at the comment from another poster that Keenum had his best year under OB.
 
Double Barrel said:
Better than the 6-10 & 8-8 seasons that Kubiak gave us! Heck, it took Kubiak four seasons to produce a 9-7 record, and SIX seasons to get to the playoffs. At least O'Brien is doing something right in that regard.
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The rest of the AFC South won almost twice the number of games in 06-08 than they did in 14-15.
O'Brien got the benefit of playing crappy teams.

Also, do you care to look up the players Kubiak inherited vs. the players O'Brien did?
They are not even close in term of talent level.

Sorry, I don't see how there's even a comparison.
 
76Texan said:
The rest of the AFC South won almost twice the number of games in 06-08 than they did in 14-15.
O'Brien got the benefit of playing crappy teams.

Also, do you care to look up the players Kubiak inherited vs. the players O'Brien did?
They are not even close in term of talent level.

Sorry, I don't see how there's even a comparison.
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How about this comparision since it's the only one that matters to (ME the paying customer) 2-14=2-14.
 
ObsiWan said:
How about 12-4 the year before?
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The weakest 12-4 I've ever witnessed.

Remember the Vikes/Pats/Colts games.

Good times

Still cant get around the fact that Kubiak inherited 2-14 and left 2-14. In fact the Texans are still rebuilding from Kubiak's 2-14 team.
 
ChampionTexan said:
But the "regardless of circumstances" part doesn't apply when a coach you don't like goes 12-4?
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I said at the time I thought Kubiak did a great job to finish 12-4 because the team wasn't that good. Little did I know that they would fall 2-14 on their face. Fact is that last Kubiak team was a slow team that lost their QB.

I'm looking forward and dont want to talk about the past.

BTW, I think Oz is the most physically gifted QB in Texans history. Will this talent translate to the field?
 
JB said:
Ok, I can understand that. Was there a better option available this past offseason?
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No, but I already stated that O'Brien shackled himself with his earlier decisions in 2014 and 2015.

If you want a good QB, you need to plan early, and make good decisions to implement your plan.

There were options in the previous two years, but he went against them.
At least, if he trade away some of the picks in 2014, he would have ammunition to move up either in 2015 or 2016.

In 2014, for example, I had suggested to trade down and/or trade away to stockpile as many futures picks as possible.

There were Bridgewater, Carr, and Garropolo.
I liked all 3 of them as prospects better than I liked Osweiler.
They all have higher football IQ (per my observation).
Their physical talents are more or less on par.
I put Bortles in that same group, but I don't really want to spend a top 10 pick on any of them.
But all these guys came from smaller schools and need a little time to adjust to the speed of the NFL

However, I would prefer, like I've said, to try to get either Winston or Mariota (this was before the character concerns about Winston came up).
Watching them play their first game in college, you can already see the football smart oozing out of their bodies.
And that continued for the rest of their collegiate careers.
Mariota might need some getting use to playing under center, but he has both the physical and mental skills to handle the transition.

The 2016 prospects, Goff and Wentz, are somewhere between the 2014 and the 2015 guys.
Goff needs some time under center and shows that he can make that transition while Wentz needs to adapt to the speed of the NFL.
There's no guarantee they can, but both seem to be level-headed; I think their chance of become better than Mediocre is fair-to-good.

Or if O'Brien had a solid plan;
Does it even matter if he (O'Brien) didn't have a winning record in the last two years?

What was the long-term plan?
Why Fitz? Why Savage? Why Mallet? Why Hoyer?
And why Osweiler now?

I fail to see a grand plan; there's no road map for the building of a championship team.

McNair promised us that the Texans would contend for the Superbowl.
Like the Texans ever had a chance the last two years?
 
It's easy to say trade down... it takes two to tango, and no one wanted to trade up with no outstanding QB available. Spilt milk
 
JB said:
It's easy to say trade down... it takes two to tango, and no one wanted to trade up with no outstanding QB available. Spilt milk
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Trades happen often enough; it's an art, I believe.
There were several trades involving firs round draft pick that year.

For example, the Bills traded up to no. 4 to select Watkins.

I would offer them our first (if there's no other better offer) for their:

» First-round pick (No. 9):

» 2015 first-round pick
» 2015 fourth-round pick

Our offer would have been better than the one from the Browns; why wouldn't the Bills take it?
They would have the choice of 4 players instead of just Watkins.
They could try to swindle their own trade; whatever.

But forget that part.
The fact is, it could happen.

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And then try to do more trades to stockpiles future picks.
 
Think about it, with just the No. 9 pick in 2014, we would still have the choice of Bridgewater, Carr, and Garropolo.

And still have the Bills first and fourth round pick in 2015
 
76Texan said:
Think about it, with just the No. 9 pick in 2014, we would still have the choice of Bridgewater, Carr, and Garropolo.

And still have the Bills first and fourth round pick in 2015
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The Texans would have been crucified by everyone, probably you too for giving up 1.1 for a first and fourth. I know you would have liked someone else, but realistic and stop all this hindsight woulda, coulda, cuz it definitely wasn't a shoulda

That's just asinine talk just to push an argument
 
JB said:
The Texans would have been crucified by everyone, probably you too for giving up 1.1 for a first and fourth. I know you would have liked someone else, but realistic and stop all this hindsight woulda, coulda, cuz it definitely wasn't a shoulda

That's just asinine talk just to push an argument
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No, it was for the Bills 1.9 in 2014, plus their 1st and 4th in 2015
 
The Bills and the Browns tango-ed;
Why not us?


Bills receive:
» First-round pick (No. 4):Sammy Watkins


Browns receive:
» First-round pick (No. 9):

» 2015 first-round pick
» 2015 fourth-round pick
 
Whether we like it or not, NFL teams believe in value and still somewhat use the trade chart. That deal was in the Browns favor, it would have been ridiculous for us to consider
 
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JB said:
Whether we like it or not, NFL teams believe in value and still somewhat use the trade chart. That deal was in the Browns favor, it would have been ridiculous for us to consider
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Ah , you forgot the ;:) or something like that.

See, my general term for our GM has always been Mediocre just the same.
I don't hate him; I just don't see the drive.
I've seen smiling faces in the booth at 12-4; which is fine.
People should be allowed to be happy.
But at 2-14, and then flower-maker 9-7s, to be getting an extention, make it very difficult to stay a loyal Texan fan.

They are all laughing their way to the bank.
And you tell me I'm critical for nothing?
 
76Texan said:
McNair promised us that the Texans would contend for the Superbowl.
Like the Texans ever had a chance the last two years?
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I agree with most of your post, but I don't see a big difference between our team & Denver at the end of the season outside the QB position.

The difference at QB was huge, as Denver's QBs tried to win & ours tried not to lose. Lots of "ifs," but if O'b can bring that defense back (doubtful with Jj's back), & put together a solid run game (which Denver didn't have)... we got a chance.
 
76Texan said:
The Bills and the Browns tango-ed;
Why not us?


Bills receive:
» First-round pick (No. 4):Sammy Watkins


Browns receive:
» First-round pick (No. 9):

» 2015 first-round pick
» 2015 fourth-round pick
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I'd have done it. But I would have liked Barr, Lewan, or Donald. They might have felt like they needed to get Robinson, Mack or Gilbert & felt 9 was too low.

However, if that were the case, that's the guy they should have taken at 1 overall.
 
'Tis the preseason for overreaction on Osweiler
By Brian T. Smith
Weekly hype, praise, panic and fear will soon surround a 25-year-old - a seven-game starter during four years in Denver - who's preparing for his home preseason debut Saturday night against Drew Brees' Saints at NRG Stadium.
August 19, 2016


don't blame you, Brock.

I wouldn't listen to the noise, either.

The Texans' $72 million man threw all of seven passes last weekend. He didn't have his real offensive line. Lamar Miller only carried the ball four times. Bill O'Brien and George Godsey barely flipped past the first page of their regular-season script.


But after Osweiler looked just a little shaky and annual August hero Tom Savage went 14-of-24 for 168 yards, two touchdowns and a 107.6 rating, the crazies were already out in full force.


After the first meaningless, pointless preseason game. With Week 1 still almost a month away. With no chance in H-E double hockey sticks that O'Brien's doing anything cuckoo at quarterback in 2016.

But, of course, the noise was still out there. And it will be all season during a campaign that's already set up as the year of the Osweiler Overreactions.

The first time that Denver's ex-heir apparent throws three picks for the Texans and O'Brien nearly tosses his headset into the stands, Houston's world will tragically end.

The day when Osweiler goes off for 400-plus yards and four TDs? Twitter will cry red-and-blue tears, local TV will devote a 30-minute special to No. 17's childhood and talk-radio fanatics will instantly declare that Brock is the greatest QB this city has seen since Warren Moon.


It'll be the best and worst from fans and the media, as we try to figure out what exactly the Texans are holding in their hands.

Super Bowl-caliber franchise QB who can lead this team into the next decade, becoming the Peyton Manning the Texans never had?

Good but never great (see: Matt Schaub), ultimately holding a contender back from what it can become?

A total freaking dud, who makes us long for those glorious times when Ryan Fitzpatrick threw six touchdowns against the Titans and T.J. Yates jumped off his couch to take down the Bengals on "Monday Night Football?"

After five months (14 years, really) of endless waiting, we'll soon find out. And many of us will completely overreact to everything until we get a true feel for just what Osweiler can do when he's The One.

How will the man himself handle the yo-yo life that awaits? By doing the smartest thing possible. Blacking out the windows, turning NRG Stadium's off-limits back rooms and hallways into a sanctuary, and boycotting all public discussion of his first-year legacy.

"Please don't take this as disrespect. Obviously, what you guys do is a tremendous deal and it's huge for our sport. But I don't read a single thing, I don't watch a single thing," the monk-like QB proclaimed Thursday. "Twitter is only on my phone because of all the false accounts that were out there, so I slide that in the back of my phone and I don't look at it.

"A coach once told me, 'Only focus on the things you can control.' I can't control what you guys write, what you guys say. I'm going to keep my focus where it needs to be, and that's … trying to be a great teammate and just being the best football player I can be."

Osweiler will get a gold star from O'Brien for the "great teammate" plug. And while I'm sure this city's new quarterback has a secret subscription to the Chronicle, everything else in his above statement was on target.

Thus far, Osweiler has looked and sounded the part. Commanding, confident and charismatic. Loud without being cocky or obnoxious. Striving for eventual greatness but still grounded in the minutiae and monotony that defines daily NFL life.

But this isn't Hollywood and Osweiler isn't running for mayor. The only thing that matters is if he can actually play the part he's been given.

"I like where he's at," O'Brien said. "I thought he's done a nice job in two-minute drills, he's had some good team periods.

"It's very difficult to come in here as a quarterback, both sides, and not really game plan, not really know what you're going to see and have to react to it on the fly. I think Brock's done a good job of that."

The Texans' coach acknowledged during the same interview that his team's passing game needs "work." O'Brien also confessed that he lives in a "cave" during the season, then declared that he isn't a "genie," which tells you how much is riding on the Texans getting their huge $72 million gamble right.

"We're coaching the heck out of our team. … I can't predict anything," said O'Brien, opting for common sense and reason during a time of preseason hysteria.

Right now, I'm more concerned about the fragile state of the Texans' offensive line than how many throws Osweiler nails in a game we hopefully won't remember in a few weeks.

I want to see a receiver other than DeAndre Hopkins in this offense. I want to know if Miller can walk in Arian Foster's shoes for 16 games – the latter struggled to fill his own the last two years.

Osweiler will be evaluated series by series, game by game, month by month. Just because he starts strong doesn't mean he'll finish that way. Bombing his initial September audition won't prove the Texans blew their cash on the wrong guy.

We'll know much more about Osweiler this time next year - and even then we'll still be trying to figure out if he's the true answer.

Everything else is just an overreaction.
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Good read CND! I particularly like this last bit of information about what BOB is looking for:

"We're coaching the heck out of our team. … I can't predict anything," said O'Brien, opting for common sense and reason during a time of preseason hysteria.

Right now, I'm more concerned about the fragile state of the Texans' offensive line than how many throws Osweiler nails in a game we hopefully won't remember in a few weeks.

I want to see a receiver other than DeAndre Hopkins in this offense. I want to know if Miller can walk in Arian Foster's shoes for 16 games – the latter struggled to fill his own the last two years.

Osweiler will be evaluated series by series, game by game, month by month. Just because he starts strong doesn't mean he'll finish that way. Bombing his initial September audition won't prove the Texans blew their cash on the wrong guy.

We'll know much more about Osweiler this time next year - and even then we'll still be trying to figure out if he's the true answer.

Everything else is just an overreaction.

That's just good stuff!
 
Far too early for me to make a judgement of his abilities. I'm going to need to see REAL game play. But I'm old and slow and don't see things as quickly as you young whippersnappers :)
 
4 of 7 for 27 yards then pull him from the game. I don't understand that. If he's your guy then let him play and get alittle better start than that.That's a pitiful start to the season. What have they done to us now.
 
humblegeo said:
4 of 7 for 27 yards then pull him from the game. I don't understand that. If he's your guy then let him play and get alittle better start than that.That's a pitiful start to the season. What have they done to us now.
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The Texans ran 5 games worth of plays in joint practices the day before that (according to Vandermeer). I bet Os got his share. I'm not going to put any weight into his 7 passes on game day.
 
humblegeo said:
4 of 7 for 27 yards then pull him from the game. I don't understand that. If he's your guy then let him play and get alittle better start than that.That's a pitiful start to the season. What have they done to us now.
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Unless you saw what you needed to see & he did what you wanted him to do.

This was a preseason game. The first preseason game. It's not about game planning or scheming or even trying to win.

Getting out of that game having only committed 3 penalties means more than a QB's passers-by rating.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I didn't say he made them awesome. I said he got the best out of them.

Fitzpatrick had his best numbers of his career under Bill. Especially the TD to TO ratio.

Hoyer didn't turn the ball over much either. Unfortunately he choked big time in the playoffs.

I believe coach will get the very best out of Brock. They have built up a nice arsenal of weapons for him to utilize. Therefore, Brock is set up pretty good. Hopefully our starting tackles will be back soon. If not we are in trouble.
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I remember it differently. I remember calling for Fitz's head, and him getting benched. After Mallett's injury he blew up the stat sheet against the pathetic Titans to turn a typical Fitz season into what you're referring to. Hoyer sucked the whole season, when he wasn't being benched (or not being benched) for sucking.
 
jayry said:
Should have drafted Dak

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/presea...ghting-it-up-at-qb-for-cowboys-024202541.html
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Against 2 teams that ranked 25th and 23rd in defense last year, and are still trying to find themselves this year...........and it's in the preseason when especially teams like this are still trying to find their way with a cane and dog. During this time of year, it's easy for some that do not keep things in perspective to get so manic that they require a padded room so they won't hurt themselves bouncing off walls..........or heavy anti-depressive medication with intense psychiatric therapy to avoid slitting their wrists. Most seasoned fans though have experienced such wild swings in the past and have since learned to tether their responses to reasonable and safe levels.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Against 2 teams that ranked 25th and 23rd in defense last year, and are still trying to find themselves this year...........and it's in the preseason when especially teams like this are still trying to find their way with a cane and dog. During this time of year, it's easy for some that do not keep things in perspective to get so manic that they require a padded room so they won't hurt themselves bouncing off walls..........or heavy anti-depressive medication with intense psychiatric therapy to avoid slitting their wrists. Most seasoned fans though have experienced such wild swings in the past and have since learned to tether their responses to reasonable and safe levels.
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I'll give you guys that Prescott has looked good against mid-level quality defenses while operating behind a very solid O-line. Thing is the sharpness of his throws and pocket awareness that I've seen is much better than what you'd expect from a late 4th round pick. Keep in mind that at Miss. St. they didn't exactly run a pro offense. It was more like the offense Tebow ran at Florida. Nobody is putting him in the HoF but the dude is exceeding most folks' expectations.
 
jayry said:
Should have drafted Dak

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/presea...ghting-it-up-at-qb-for-cowboys-024202541.html
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I'll tell you who we should have drafted... actually y'all know who I'm going to say & that's really a different story.

I like what I've seen from Dak. But if our coaches & GM didn't see it before the draft, I highly doubt they'd have seen it after the draft. & as good as he looks making things happen, he'd probably get bad marks for not complying to what our coached & GM are looking for.

We had Case Keenum here & tossed him aside (until we needed him, then tossed him aside again). Obviously we didn't see anything in him. But Jeff Fisher believes he is a bridge QB... the kind we were looking for when we signed Fitz & Hoyer.
 
It's easy to sum it up when you're just talking about practice. We're sitting in here, and I'm supposed to be the franchise player, and we in here talking about practice. I mean, listen, we're talking about practice, not a game, not a game, not a game, we talking about practice. Not a game. Not, not … Not the game that I go out there and die for and play every game like it's my last. Not the game, but we're talking about practice, man. I mean, how silly is that? … And we talking about practice. I know I supposed to be there. I know I'm supposed to lead by example... I know that... And I'm not.. I'm not shoving it aside, you know, like it don't mean anything. I know it's important, I do. I honestly do... But we're talking about practice man. What are we talking about? Practice? We're talking aboutpractice, man. [laughter from the media crowd] We're talking about practice. We're talking about practice. We ain't talking about the game. [more laughter] We're talking about practice, man. When you come to the arena, and you see me play, you see me play don't you? You've seen me give everything I've got, right? But we're talking aboutpractice right now.
 
My Skepticism: You go out and pay $72 Million for a QB and you don't have an Offensive Line that can protect him. Days of David Carr gone by have returned (the more things change, the more they stay the same). It appears as though, that what we have here, is the cart before the horse scenario.

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ObsiWan said:
I'll give you guys that Prescott has looked good against mid-level quality defenses while operating behind a very solid O-line. Thing is the sharpness of his throws and pocket awareness that I've seen is much better than what you'd expect from a late 4th round pick. Keep in mind that at Miss. St. they didn't exactly run a pro offense. It was more like the offense Tebow ran at Florida. Nobody is putting him in the HoF but the dude is exceeding most folks' expectations.
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I haven't watched his second game, but I did study his first game.
The defense played off of him for the most part.
On the few instances they did bring it; he looked the part of a rookie.

If I was looking for a backup with a tiny chance of becoming a starter, I would consider him seriously.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'll tell you who we should have drafted... actually y'all know who I'm going to say & that's really a different story.

I like what I've seen from Dak. But if our coaches & GM didn't see it before the draft, I highly doubt they'd have seen it after the draft. & as good as he looks making things happen, he'd probably get bad marks for not complying to what our coached & GM are looking for.

We had Case Keenum here & tossed him aside (until we needed him, then tossed him aside again). Obviously we didn't see anything in him. But Jeff Fisher believes he is a bridge QB... the kind we were looking for when we signed Fitz & Hoyer.
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This is what I disagree with O'Brien choice.

I said I would rather keep Keenum and Yates for at least the first year.
With Keenum, you know you have at least have a solid backup.

Even if you compare Keenum's stats lines in 2013 with those of Osweiler in 2015; there's hardly a difference.

The difference was that Osweiler had a better defense, and a much better running game.
That didn't even take into account how the Texans players were dropping like flies as the season went on.

Even when Foster and Tate were in there, they didn't do squat.
And there were games that we used a no-name TE.

Trade down some and draft a QB of your choice or trade the pick away for the future.

Use the money that you paid Fitz for additional O-line help or another defensive player, or resign Daniel Manning, etc.
 
thunderkyss said:
I'll tell you who we should have drafted... actually y'all know who I'm going to say & that's really a different story.

I like what I've seen from Dak. But if our coaches & GM didn't see it before the draft, I highly doubt they'd have seen it after the draft. & as good as he looks making things happen, he'd probably get bad marks for not complying to what our coached & GM are looking for.

We had Case Keenum here & tossed him aside (until we needed him, then tossed him aside again). Obviously we didn't see anything in him. But Jeff Fisher believes he is a bridge QB... the kind we were looking for when we signed Fitz & Hoyer.
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Dak has done more in two games than Os in all his starts
 
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