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Offensive Line - Sacks Allowed (2015)
- Thread starter WolverineFan
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ghostlight
Veteran
I've given up on Newton and this year we should be able get a solid replacement
Pick one up in FA or Draft a RT like they should of last year. Don't know why you keep defending Newton he is, was and always will be a below average RT. At some point the "he was playing injured" excuse has to stop.
I wouldn't be suprised either. They should re-sign Brooks though (They've got the cap space) and draft an OT high that can play RT and replace Brown at LT if needed. (Fahn Cooper is my guy) Newton would make a great swing OT and he's a better OG than he is a OT so he would provide great depth. (Something the Texans have never had before on the OL) I would also bring back Clark on the cheap, he's a very good depth piece.
If Smith hits on one OT it would solve most of the OL issues that have plagued this team for yrs. (As long as Newton has been the starting RT. (Another great signing by Smith, wonder why this team is always having to reload every yr?)
badboy
Hall of Fame
Don't you see how silly that statement is? He has been injured as have others. He is on field and playing. I am not excusing all of his mistakes as I did not with other players like Duane Brown who also have been injured. A year ago after another season including injuries, Newton was given $26 m with $10 m guaranteed; so somebody agrees with me that he is not what you think he is. I rate him as playing (injured) as an above average RT. Team has done little to increase depth at offensive line. Clark and Lamm could be positives. It will be interesting to see how they handle bringing Chris Clark back this season & I do expect a quick signing.
From March 2015
roto
He started all games last three seasons but not all at RT.
http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...practice/6fd2b364-1614-4473-a782-b74e14826cda
because he has never gone big to draft Oline high or go strong for a "name" free agent.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
He's drafted 2 in the top 33.
badboy
Hall of Fame
I was thinking tackles since Brown.
No I don't see it. Look I was with you a couple of years ago when he was playing with a bad toe or foot. But Cmon everyone in the nfl plays with lingering injuries. If you want to give him amother free pass for this year fine but I'm not. And pointing out his run blocking is being silly. You know good and well his pass blocking is where he falls short.
Also I would not use the fact that Smith signed him to a 26 million 10 million guaranteed dollar contract as verification that you are right. He's made more mistakes with contracts than I can count.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Of course his pass blocking has suffered in not being able to use his arm to interfere or redirect the defender. Also have the QBs he has had to block for has impacted him and the other linemen. I do see him for what he is but he's is not as bad as you make him out to be. His contract was considered very good by most fans.
His contract was considered very good by most fans? What makes you say that?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The thread at the time.
badboy
Hall of Fame
5 year deal for 26.5 million was going rate for starting RT. His guarantee of $10 m was $6 million bonus + roster and then his base for 2015 of 1.5 with total of $7.5 accounted for by end of first year of deal. His 2016 base is $4.75 and the remaining $2.5 m guarantee is completed. After only two years, he could be cut with only minimal dead money which was another smart move. This was considered a bit high for some but most were glad we kept him with such a team friendly deal. If my math is correct, he could be cut at mid-season.
I guess I'm just so used to people comaining about him I don't remembe peoplet being happy about his contract. Regardless he's just not good enough at OT IMO and I want an upgrade. If we lose brooks I would be happy if we moved him there and started Clark and brought in another FA or rookie to groom.
badboy
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I too want an upgrade (at every position) but IMO no draft OT or FA (same pay rate as Newton) is an immediate up grade. I think there will be a lot of emphasis on Texans' end of bench offensive linemen this preseason hoping one or more take huge step forward.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I disagree. The primary job of a tackle is to pass protect. If they can't do that consistently, I don't care if they are the best run blocker in the league, they need to be replaced.
Newton has always struggled in pass protection, even in that contract year where the view was that he took a big step forward.
badboy
Hall of Fame
You did not address what I said..name the draft pick or FA that will start over Newton game one.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Draft
Jason Spriggs
Jack Conklin
Taylor Decker
Kyle Murphy
Free Agent
Cordy Glenn
Kelechi Osmele
Russell Okung
Donald Penn
Kelvin Beachum
Mitchell Schwartz
badboy
Hall of Fame
We are just going to disagree. I like each of the four college and have mocked Spriggs at 22 and Murphy later; but none would beat out Newton. I am not saying he is not replaceable just not immediately if all season. I am fairly certain each of those FAs will get larger contracts than Newton (a stipulation I said).
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
Well yeah. They're all better players. Of course they will get larger contracts. Every single one of their agents is going to point to Newton's extension when negotiating on the FA market.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
I'm not an expert, nor a future teller, so I cannot tell you who will start over him game one. I'm not even necessarily asking a rookie to start over him game one, I'm saying that we need to look to replace Newton. I can almost guarantee there will be a handful of OTs in this draft that will end up better than Newton by their second year, some WILL be better immediately. We need to be scouting that position in order to replace Newton, whether it be right away or in a year from now. Not everything needs to happen immediately. GMs and scouts project over years, it's necessary for job sucess.
I also did address what you've been saying. You said he's an above average RT, which I disagree with. Average means starting and middle of the pack, he isn't that.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Newton's base is $4.75 m; I cannot see Texans paying him and sign a replacement for more. His cap each year is $5.5. It is possible they pay more then cut Newton after guarantee up, I just do not see it.
badboy
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Based on what CnnD posted, we will probably need to replace Brown before Newton; another reason I see the latter at RT.
TexansSeminole
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I think it's our second biggest need after QB, we need to add several players at the position.
You said the same thing last year. There were several rookies I would of rather had over him that would of been an upgrade.
Why not move him to guard instead of resigning brooks and draft or sign an OT in FA? That has to be an option they are considering.
What FA OT would you target? There has to be an upgrade out there, or it's not a good idea. That is akin to saying "draft a QB in the 1st round", even if all of the QB's have 2nd round, or later, grades.
WolverineFan
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Brooks is a much better player. Both guys are very good run blockers but Brooks is average - above average in pass pro while Newton is just plain awful. Letting Brooks walk and moving Newton to RG is a downgrade at that position.
Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
So you can easily come up with 16 better right tackles?
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
From PFF week 5:
PFF said:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/10/10/ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-week-5/
From PFF week 9:
PFF said:
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/11/04/ranking-all-32-nfl-offensive-lines-entering-week-9/
Can you connect the dots?
Just watch the games, the guy is getting whipped in pass protection far too frequently. I don't see many tackles get handled like that.
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Looks like Smith made another extension BOO BOO!!!!
I agree with the first part but there is a big difference in pass blocking for a G and an OT. Newtons biggest issues are with defending in space. He wouldn't have that issue inside. It comes down to whats better for the money. Resigning Brooks and Leaving Newton at OT where he struggles or Moving Newton inside where he would have help with his weakness and replace him with a quality FA or Rookie. Newton was a better Run Blocker this year than Brooks. If we could get an all around better RT for the same money we will have to pay for Brooks to resign him it might be better a better overall OL.
And Im not suggesting this is absolutely what we should do just that it should be considered. I we can get a good OT
badboy
Hall of Fame
So Texans keeping him as starter supports my position rather than yours..? How do you know your guys would have been better? just going around in circles here.